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Title: The more the merrier?
Post by: Niggle on June 14, 2014, 10:02:50 AM
I have 3 computers on my home network that my family uses. I run the Bitcoin core program on my computer only as I want to support the Bitcoin network. Is there an advantage for the Bitcoin network for me to run the bitcoin core program on all 3 computers on my home network or is just one program running per internet connection sufficient? I'm a big believer in Bitcoin and if there is an advantage to the network for me to have 3 nodes in my house, I will. Thanks.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: shorena on June 14, 2014, 12:22:19 PM
I have 3 computers on my home network that my family uses. I run the Bitcoin core program on my computer only as I want to support the Bitcoin network. Is there an advantage for the Bitcoin network for me to run the bitcoin core program on all 3 computers on my home network or is just one program running per internet connection sufficient? I'm a big believer in Bitcoin and if there is an advantage to the network for me to have 3 nodes in my house, I will. Thanks.

From my personal experience 1 machine running is the best you can do, unless you have several external IPs. The reason is that you can only forward the external port to 1 machine. And the machines will not use their internal IP addresses but the external ones. Thus you cant even reliably speed up the distribution off the blockchain in your own network. This is -the way I understand it- because no node gets a priority over the others.

tl;dr: if you have 3 external IPs yes.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: KaChingCoinDev on June 14, 2014, 01:45:54 PM
Unless each has there own external IP, no.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: joshraban76 on June 14, 2014, 02:07:20 PM
You need to have external IP for each of the 3 computers, having them sharing the same connection will not help.

Only you will be mining more coins, which is making more profit.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: justusranvier on June 14, 2014, 02:12:47 PM
I have 3 computers on my home network that my family uses. I run the Bitcoin core program on my computer only as I want to support the Bitcoin network. Is there an advantage for the Bitcoin network for me to run the bitcoin core program on all 3 computers on my home network or is just one program running per internet connection sufficient? I'm a big believer in Bitcoin and if there is an advantage to the network for me to have 3 nodes in my house, I will. Thanks.
If you want to help the network, have one node and make it accept incoming connections via ipv4, ipv6, and Tor.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: joshraban76 on June 14, 2014, 06:12:33 PM
Only you will be mining more coins, which is making more profit.

???

Yeah, how may I help you ?


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: shorena on June 14, 2014, 06:24:18 PM
Only you will be mining more coins, which is making more profit.

???

Yeah, how may I help you ?

A nod is not mining any coins. A node is just a bitcoin wallet that has a full copy of the blockchain.

The smiley is basically say: "WTF is he/she even talking about?"


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: joshraban76 on June 14, 2014, 07:11:40 PM
Only you will be mining more coins, which is making more profit.

???

Yeah, how may I help you ?

A nod is not mining any coins. A node is just a bitcoin wallet that has a full copy of the blockchain.

The smiley is basically say: "WTF is he/she even talking about?"

I'm talking about, if 3 computers are mining for a coin, it will make more profit than 1.

I'm not talking about node here.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: shorena on June 14, 2014, 07:17:07 PM
-snip-
I'm talking about, if 3 computers are mining for a coin, it will make more profit than 1.

I'm not talking about node here.

But you are the only one in this thread talking about mining.

I have 3 computers on my home network that my family uses. I run the Bitcoin core program on my computer only as I want to support the Bitcoin network. Is there an advantage for the Bitcoin network for me to run the bitcoin core program on all 3 computers on my home network or is just one program running per internet connection sufficient? I'm a big believer in Bitcoin and if there is an advantage to the network for me to have 3 nodes in my house, I will. Thanks.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: joshraban76 on June 14, 2014, 07:19:29 PM
-snip-
I'm talking about, if 3 computers are mining for a coin, it will make more profit than 1.

I'm not talking about node here.

But you are the only one in this thread talking about mining.

I have 3 computers on my home network that my family uses. I run the Bitcoin core program on my computer only as I want to support the Bitcoin network. Is there an advantage for the Bitcoin network for me to run the bitcoin core program on all 3 computers on my home network or is just one program running per internet connection sufficient? I'm a big believer in Bitcoin and if there is an advantage to the network for me to have 3 nodes in my house, I will. Thanks.

Yes, I know.

I meant to point out other possible advantages he can do with the power of his 3 PCs, that's it :)


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: nwfella on June 14, 2014, 07:29:33 PM
Only you will be mining more coins, which is making more profit.

???

Yeah, how may I help you ?

A nod is not mining any coins. A node is just a bitcoin wallet that has a full copy of the blockchain.

The smiley is basically say: "WTF is he/she even talking about?"
Screw it!  Just setgenerate true on your node and see if you get lucky! ;)

*True though regarding no additional benefit if all originating from the same IP. (save for redundancy of your running node)


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: Niggle on June 14, 2014, 10:07:37 PM

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Screw it!  Just setgenerate true on your node and see if you get lucky! ;)


How do I do that?


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: shorena on June 14, 2014, 10:09:45 PM

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Screw it!  Just setgenerate true on your node and see if you get lucky! ;)


How do I do that?

copy this bitcoin.conf in your bitcoin-core directory

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin#Bitcoin.conf_Configuration_File

change #gen=0 to gen=1

start client with -conf=bitcoin.conf



Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: Niggle on June 14, 2014, 10:13:56 PM
Will that be the equivalent of CPU mining and work my computer hard?


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: shorena on June 14, 2014, 10:21:34 PM
Will that be the equivalent of CPU mining and work my computer hard?

That will be CPU mining yes. You can probably lower the tasks priority in a taskmanager to lower the inpact on your system. It will make your CPU work constantly, so your machine might need to cool more and get louder.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: ShadowOfHarbringer on June 15, 2014, 12:11:40 AM
-snip-
I'm talking about, if 3 computers are mining for a coin, it will make more profit than 1.

I'm not talking about node here.

But you are the only one in this thread talking about mining.

I have 3 computers on my home network that my family uses. I run the Bitcoin core program on my computer only as I want to support the Bitcoin network. Is there an advantage for the Bitcoin network for me to run the bitcoin core program on all 3 computers on my home network or is just one program running per internet connection sufficient? I'm a big believer in Bitcoin and if there is an advantage to the network for me to have 3 nodes in my house, I will. Thanks.

Yes, I know.

I meant to point out other possible advantages he can do with the power of his 3 PCs, that's it :)
No.

You were talking about mining and now you are pretending that you weren't so that everybody here doesn't think you are a fool. But you are and it is too late and everybody here already knows that.

Stop lying, stop pretending, stop misinforming, stop this bullshit and just admit you were wrong. This is the road to improvement of your weakness - face it, do not run from it, coward.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: Niggle on June 15, 2014, 03:38:21 AM
Last thing I want to do is CPU mine. I've got an Avalon 290gh module on its way to me right now. That'll do me quite nicely for the mining part of it. Sounds like I'll just keep the one node going and be done with it.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: DannyHamilton on June 15, 2014, 03:56:15 AM
No.

You were talking about mining and now you are pretending that you weren't so that everybody here doesn't think you are a fool. But you are and it is too late and everybody here already knows that.

Stop lying, stop pretending, stop misinforming, stop this bullshit and just admit you were wrong. This is the road to improvement of your weakness - face it, do not run from it, coward.

Actually, I find that 99% of the people with "PrimeDice" adds in their sig are just posting random crap to as many threads as they can to get their post count up and improve their payoff.  Most of the time they have no idea what they are talking about and don't care if their post is helpful.  As long as a review of their post history has the appearance of active participation, they earn by posting nonsense and necro posting as much as they possibly can.

I've gotten to the point where I start by looking to see if someone's post has a PRIMEDICE ad.  If it does, I assume that they aren't really contributing to the conversation at hand.  I've given some serious consideration to just automatically clicking "ignore" on anyone with a PRIMEDICE ad in their sig so I don't have to see their crap any more.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: justusranvier on June 15, 2014, 05:10:01 AM
I've given some serious consideration to just automatically clicking "ignore" on anyone with a PRIMEDICE ad in their sig so I don't have to see their crap any more.
I've been doing that with anyone who has an annoying signature (colors/size).

It's a lot easier to read threads, because it means reading 75%-90% fewer posts.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: ShadowOfHarbringer on June 15, 2014, 09:22:09 AM
No.

You were talking about mining and now you are pretending that you weren't so that everybody here doesn't think you are a fool. But you are and it is too late and everybody here already knows that.

Stop lying, stop pretending, stop misinforming, stop this bullshit and just admit you were wrong. This is the road to improvement of your weakness - face it, do not run from it, coward.

Actually, I find that 99% of the people with "PrimeDice" adds in their sig are just posting random crap to as many threads as they can to get their post count up and improve their payoff.  
Wait... Is their payout directly based on the number of posts, or is primedice this some kind of ponzi scheme?


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: Newar on June 15, 2014, 03:37:46 PM
Actually, I find that 99% of the people with "PrimeDice" adds in their sig are just posting random crap [...]

That 1% being shorena? :)


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: Newar on June 15, 2014, 03:41:20 PM
Wait... Is their payout directly based on the number of posts, or is primedice this some kind of ponzi scheme?

[...]
Hero Member - 0.0012BTC Per constructive post
Senior Member - 0.001BTC Per constructive post
Full Member - 0.0006BTC Per consutrctive post
Member - 0.0004BTC per constructive post
Jr. Member - Not allowed

Please note your signature must reflect your full user group rights. Example: Hero members must have large, colored & linked text.

50 Posts minimum to claim, must have 50+ activity. Rates can change at any given time.

[...]


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: DannyHamilton on June 15, 2014, 07:26:15 PM
Actually, I find that 99% of the people with "PrimeDice" adds in their sig are just posting random crap to as many threads as they can to get their post count up and improve their payoff.  
Wait... Is their payout directly based on the number of posts, or is primedice this some kind of ponzi scheme?

Primedice is a gambling site.  Gamblers are paid based on their odds of winning and pure luck.  I assume Primedice has a an edge over the gamblers.

Primedice is paying people to advertise their website.  They get paid by including a primedice ad in their signature lines, and then making hundreds of posts to this forum.  I've taken to just clicking on "ignore" for just about everyone that has a primedice ad in their sig.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: kuverty on June 15, 2014, 07:37:41 PM
I did not realize the signatures get so much hate around here. I added one because they never bothered me and they pair a nice amount of money for a student, for posting. I still won't post just for the heck of it.

There are some signature campaigns though that I really don't approve of, namely ponzis that pay well to get people add their ads. But prime-dice seems fair. Well, maybe it's time to reconsider the signature.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: DannyHamilton on June 15, 2014, 07:55:05 PM
I did not realize the signatures get so much hate around here. I added one because they never bothered me and they pair a nice amount of money for a student, for posting. I still won't post just for the heck of it.

There are some signature campaigns though that I really don't approve of, namely ponzis that pay well to get people add their ads. But prime-dice seems fair. Well, maybe it's time to reconsider the signature.

It's not the signature that's a problem.

It's the number of people who know nothing, and don't really care to pay attention to and participate in the discussions at hand, but rather create hundreds of nonsense posts and spread ridiculous amounts of bad advice in an attempt to both increase their post count (for a higher payout) and fool the sponsor into thinking that they are actively participating.

Initially, I wasn't even paying attention to the sigs.  I was just clicking ignore on people when I noticed they had posted a lot of junk.  Recently though I've noticed that the majority of the time, the people I'm "ignoring" have primedice ads in their sig.  Eventually, I found that it was easier to just click "ignore" on EVERY person with a primedice ad, and only "unignore" them if I see a quote from them in someone else's post indicating that they actually had something intelligent and useful to say.

It saves me a lot of time, since I don't have to read through all the junk trying to decide if I should "ignore" or not.  I'd love to have a script that searches though all users and if they have a "primedice" ad, just auto-adds them to my ignore list.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: nishtrip15 on June 15, 2014, 10:58:54 PM
Use different external IPs with each of your PCs to help transactions process faster.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: spin on June 17, 2014, 10:22:17 AM
Use different external IPs with each of your PCs to help transactions process faster.
Case in point... 

This is wrong.  It won't aid your transaction processing.


Title: Re: The more the merrier?
Post by: TimS on June 17, 2014, 01:59:25 PM
From what I can tell, it might strengthen the network a little if you did run all three, and used Tor on two, and prevented the computers from sharing peers with each other (by preventing communication between them; after you're set up, at least). Doing this would keep them from sharing peers, maximizing the number and distribution of distinct nodes that you connect to. It would make it less possible for a rogue group of nodes to be the only ones that you connect to (who could then do bad things like holding back transactions and blocks). It would also increase your resistance to a zero-confirmation double-spend attack: if three nodes all over the network (even though they're all in your house) see the same transaction, and no double spend attempt for it, then it's almost certainly going to be put in the blockchain.