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Title: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: provenceday on June 19, 2014, 07:59:01 AM
if i make a mistake, Please correct it in this thread,i will then correct it ASAP.  nobody know everything.

it's just a quick start for Anon coin. you can add more in this table.

thank you very much.


http://img02.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i2/888367355/TB2kxyVXVXXXXXzXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!888367355.jpg


Title: Re: Where is the next 10 times profit coin??? Summary on current Anon Coin!
Post by: provenceday on June 19, 2014, 08:01:51 AM
Thanks for your Support.


Title: Re: Where is the next 10 times profit coin??? Summary on current Anon Coin!
Post by: thunderlei on June 19, 2014, 08:39:18 AM
hey, it is an awesome job. well done. I am sure it is going to be hot topic here.  want to take my advice? why don't u range those coin and stir up the controversial discussion. it is gonna be hot ......   


Title: Re: Where is the next 10 times profit coin??? Summary on current Anon Coin!
Post by: provenceday on June 19, 2014, 08:43:15 AM
hey, it is an awesome job. well done. I am sure it is going to be hot topic here.  want to take my advice? why don't u range those coin and stir up the controversial discussion. it is gonna be hot ......    

welcome serious discussion on Anon Technology, maybe i also make some mistakes on that table, Please correct me.



Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: SushiChef on June 19, 2014, 09:20:24 AM
8)


Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: J1mb0 on June 19, 2014, 10:22:02 AM
 ;D

Just IMHO of course.

Apart from the fact that it should be secure and work well I think the breakthrough coin will come from two main strengths; New code and name.

I don't believe any new coin that is forked from Bitcoin will challange bitcoin. The main reason being that most devs will just tinker around the edges - as has happened to date.
A new hashing protocol here, a voting system there - it's basically Bitcoin. If a coin is developed from scratch then I believe it will have a chance. The devs can implement truly new protocols and concepts, react very quickly to problems or issues and development of new forms of infrastructure will be quicker and easier.

As for the name - I believe that any coin using the term Dark, Cloak or anonymous will not get mainstream engagement or approval. Max Keiser might like it but your local coach company or fiat gateway provider will not!  :-X Too many connotations involving very nasty people with these kind of terms.

Really, this leaves the Cryptonote coins and any future coin based on Zerocash.

Whilst zerocash is interesting and is 'proper' academic research ironically this may be it's Achilles heel. Like many people here I would definitely be interested in a zerocash coin but there is always the possibility that the researchers will be 'leaned on' by TPTB to give it up.

So that leaves the Cryptonotes. Past history tells us that the first coin takes it all - that would indicate Bytecoin as the ultimate replacement for Bitcoin. In it's favor is the media friendly name, the original code, present take up and the large total supply. I could be wrong but if I had to name a coin that will overtake Bitcoin at some point it would have to be Bytecoin.  :D


Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: danonthehill on June 19, 2014, 10:39:44 AM
Didn't Silkcoin say they were 70% in on implementing zerocoin?


Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: Keyboard-Mash on June 19, 2014, 10:48:51 AM
Past history tells us that the first coin takes it all

Absolutely false. Please take a look at tenebrix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45667.msg544675#msg544675).


Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: J1mb0 on June 19, 2014, 11:04:39 AM
Past history tells us that the first coin takes it all

Absolutely false. Please take a look at tenebrix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45667.msg544675#msg544675).

I was talking about a coin challenging and surpassing the $Cap and take-up of Bitcoin.  ::)

 


Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: adhitthana on June 19, 2014, 11:05:26 AM
Great idea. Thank you
I think that it is also good to have the price multiplied by the total number of coins to be released on any table.

There are some more possible coins I know of .

1.Cinni 2. Voot. 3. Kore. 4 Boolberry. 5 Qcn


Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: Keyboard-Mash on June 19, 2014, 11:11:37 AM
Past history tells us that the first coin takes it all

Absolutely false. Please take a look at tenebrix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45667.msg544675#msg544675).

I was talking about a coin challenging and surpassing the $Cap and take-up of Bitcoin.  ::)

 

Nonetheless, tenebrix does not have much of a market cap.

For BCN to have a marketcap that will surpass bitcoin today, it would need to trade at a value of .00008279 satoshi.

This is a 827.9x its current value today.


Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: BLACKCOIN883 on June 19, 2014, 11:57:06 AM
vootcoin should be top5 in that list.


Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: provenceday on June 19, 2014, 12:41:35 PM
thanks for all the feedback, will add more coins later.


Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: TrollboxChamp on June 19, 2014, 01:40:24 PM
Mammothcoin has pending anon and is very cheap


Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: pbremen01 on June 19, 2014, 01:56:31 PM
if i make a mistake, Please correct it in this thread,i will then correct it ASAP.  nobody know everything.

it's just a quick start for Anon coin. you can add more in this table.

thank you very much.


http://img02.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i2/888367355/TB2kxyVXVXXXXXzXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!888367355.jpg

Where did you get this table? Did you make it just for this post or is it published in the context of other article?


Title: Re: Which one is the NEXT 10 times profit coin? Anonymous Coin Summary
Post by: provenceday on June 19, 2014, 03:02:35 PM
if i make a mistake, Please correct it in this thread,i will then correct it ASAP.  nobody know everything.

it's just a quick start for Anon coin. you can add more in this table.

thank you very much.


http://img02.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i2/888367355/TB2kxyVXVXXXXXzXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!888367355.jpg

Where did you get this table? Did you make it just for this post or is it published in the context of other article?

All Summary by my self.


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: Lauda on June 19, 2014, 03:31:41 PM
Nice table. Although you should read up about the recent news regarding DRK. It's being worked on and a fork will be released tomorrow for the masternodes.


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: fluffypony on June 19, 2014, 04:07:28 PM
With regards to Monero:

Mayers-Lo-Chau no go theorem

MLC's no-go theorem is a problem, not for Monero, for ALL hash function based proof-of-work related systems. That having been said, there is so much work that has been done since the initial publication that it is a non-issue for quantum cryptography. Specifically, and for a light introduction to some of the work, it is best to take a glance at Chi-Yee Cheung's Quantum Teleportation and Bit Commitment (http://140.135.72.1/~hep/Quantum_Teleportation_and_Bit_Commitment.ppt) slides from 2009. This section in particular:

Quote
Question: Does the “no-go theorem” cover all possible cases?

Note that QBC has a definite objective, but the corresponding procedure is not precisely defined.

There are infinitely many ways to do QBC.

So how could one be sure the no-go result is universally valid?

Make sure to list no-go theorems as a problem for every single coin in your list. Thankfully, they're not much of a concern until we live in Star Trek:)



One-way function exist?

I don't understand what this means - can you elaborate?


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: ChekaZ on June 19, 2014, 04:14:53 PM
You should add to the Weakness side of DRK that the Total amount got degreased after lunch and it had an heavy instamine from the devs which is about 40% of the current supply.


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: fluffypony on June 19, 2014, 04:17:41 PM
One other note - I'm not sure if you have a solid grounding mathematics or cryptography, but you should take a read of our ongoing project to peer-review and annotate the CryptoNote whitepaper (it has had no formal peer review that anyone is aware of). The two primary peer reviewers are PhD-holding mathematicians and cryptographers. You can find it here: http://monero.cc/downloads/whitepaper_annotated.pdf


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: eizh on June 19, 2014, 05:51:41 PM
One-way function exist?

I don't understand what this means - can you elaborate?

As far as I can tell, this is brought up in the context of CryptoNote because spent key images are generated with a one way function -- so that we can prevent double-spending without knowing the corresponding public key (thus preserving anonymity). I don't know what specifically CN uses, but the existence of one-way functions is a general CS question and not specific to cryptocurrencies, let alone CN-based cryptocurrencies. I think the answer to it is probably yes, or close enough to it. All good hash functions should be one-way functions, for example, or they would be vulnerable to a preimage attack.


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: Lauda on June 19, 2014, 05:52:53 PM
You should add to the Weakness side of DRK that the Total amount got degreased after lunch and it had an heavy instamine from the devs which is about 40% of the current supply.
That's not a weakness. Learn the definition of a weakness coming from a technical perspective.
You're still crying that you did not get in on time.
There are individuals who hold more than the developer/s.


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: @cryptopumper on June 19, 2014, 05:54:43 PM
No Anoncoin?


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: provenceday on June 20, 2014, 12:55:43 AM
Thanks for all the feedback, i will try my best to correct some mistakes.

and will add more coins on that table.


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: provenceday on June 20, 2014, 12:58:29 AM
One other note - I'm not sure if you have a solid grounding mathematics or cryptography, but you should take a read of our ongoing project to peer-review and annotate the CryptoNote whitepaper (it has had no formal peer review that anyone is aware of). The two primary peer reviewers are PhD-holding mathematicians and cryptographers. You can find it here: http://monero.cc/downloads/whitepaper_annotated.pdf

Thanks for your advice will do more research on this and correct some mistakes.


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: Brilliantrocket on June 20, 2014, 04:07:21 AM
No Anoncoin?
Just read the column under Zerocoin!


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: adhitthana on June 20, 2014, 10:51:44 AM
You can add SYNC to the list


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: pbremen01 on June 20, 2014, 11:04:07 AM
One other note - I'm not sure if you have a solid grounding mathematics or cryptography, but you should take a read of our ongoing project to peer-review and annotate the CryptoNote whitepaper (it has had no formal peer review that anyone is aware of). The two primary peer reviewers are PhD-holding mathematicians and cryptographers. You can find it here: http://monero.cc/downloads/whitepaper_annotated.pdf

I know this is a little bit off-topic, but can Monero/CryptoNote community add some info about their developers to

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/28kea5/what_do_we_know_about_anonymous_coin_developers/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/28kea5/what_do_we_know_about_anonymous_coin_developers/)



Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: pbremen01 on June 20, 2014, 11:13:39 AM
Maybe you could add column about developers. Their names, qualifications etc. Are they known? Are they anonymous/shady? Maybe something about their motivation for development of anon features (premine or they really believe that anonymity can bring something positive in this world)?


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: MisO69 on June 20, 2014, 11:26:13 AM
You missed Pinkcoin, it has working anon.



Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: pbremen01 on June 20, 2014, 11:36:26 AM
You missed Pinkcoin, it has working anon.



What kind of anonymity features does pinkcoin have?


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: MsCollec on June 20, 2014, 11:46:16 AM
NiteSend whitepaper  : https://mega.co.nz/#!xhYWBA4S!RLqpU3b-iJub6GUUvp0WZvwfrLCaXTjYahvSHm_3DEA (https://mega.co.nz/#!xhYWBA4S!RLqpU3b-iJub6GUUvp0WZvwfrLCaXTjYahvSHm_3DEA)


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: MisO69 on June 20, 2014, 12:00:43 PM
You missed Pinkcoin, it has working anon.



What kind of anonymity features does pinkcoin have?

Anon website that hides transactions, does something new with the coins. This is not coin mixing or anything like that. Check out the whitepaper in my signature.



Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: dewdeded on June 20, 2014, 12:40:14 PM
Add Anoncoin.

Plan is "trustless ZeroCoin".
Done is ???.
Thread is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227287


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: Anoxxxy on June 20, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Hi,
You forgot to write about Pink Coin:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624017.0

380 million coins.
Anon transaction through SSL website. No wallet for anon yet.

Regards


Title: Re: Summary on Anonymous Coin
Post by: Ozziecoin on June 21, 2014, 01:51:06 AM
Please add total coin supply and coins added per day columns. Will help evaluate coin worth.