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add ROCK?

^Sure, and BTMA and BTMB.  Soon as they IPO.  Nothing to say yet.  Done.

I say sticky this. To make the above list even more painful one might add that the listed 'companies' all had the advantage of crypto's inherent low/no cost in acquiring public funding.

nice chart

basically no one should invest on havelock

Serious bee's knees edition lol

If your going to ref an ipo price you should correct AM or put in another column returned at least  ipo price

^Bzznzz.  Serious business >:(  There's a note ref. for ASICMINER, http://s13.postimg.org/rml7f5mav/Capture.jpg  Since AM didn't IPO on Havelock, one couldn't buy it on Havelock @IPO price.
but I'll add another just to be clearer.
Done.

This is not a good representation of the state of the security.

This guy has posted this FUD everywhere he can including multiple subreddits. Is there a lot of scams out there? Yes. Is there a lot of bad investments out there? Yes. However comparing the securities using just btc is rather poor method as the actual cost is also dependant on the USD price as well.

If your investing purely to increase your bitcoin holdings then it's unlikely to make more that what you started with unless you day trade the stocks. This is especially true if bitcoin rapidly increases in value. But like OgNasty has indicated bitcoin is a transfer protocol. There are inherent risks and benefits with that as well. It has potential for a ton but it's all speculation still of what could be.

Now what do securities offer? They offer different things based on the security. Mining contacts, fee shares, or shares of the company for a few. This creates a new level of diversification to invest in and by being only available in btc they can skirt some financial regulations allowing them to access funding easier. It's all about purchasing power. I currently have X and want Y. How much of Y can I buy. While these securities are in bitcoin pricing everything else is tied to the USD or local currency. So if I buy 5 shares of Z company and those 5 shares at the time of purchase in btc was worth $100 if I sell those 5 shares at loss in btc but btc raised in value to the USD and now I can buy $110 with what I sold it for I profited.

The argument to that though is you could have made more money keeping it in btc in the first place,  which is completely true. But the issue is if you wanted to diversify beyond a crypto and instead into infrastructure the only way is using the purchasing power of btc at the time you bought.

For example SFI has tanked in price to 25% of the ipo price. This most likely is attributed to their loss of Gocoin, no dividends as it is a long term investment and the market activity isn't high making just a couple dumpers able to crash the market and create even more uncertainty. All while the CEOs of three of their major investments have been producing exactly what they were planning on a reasonable time frame. The head of the fund and CEOs have provided constant updates and publicity being a part of many conferences one of which just ended where announcements were made.

Now looking at this chart SFI seems to be a horrible investment when in reality your paying 0.00025 btc per share for 0.00075 of btc that has been invested in these companies. Ipo was 0.001 btc per share totaling 2000 btc. Roughly 1500 btc of that has already been invested in companies. 220 btc was the fee by the fund and the rest was meant for Gocoin. If the btc for go coin was invested in another company the amount that each share has invested increases even more.

But at last there are no dividends. Which is true however you are owning a part of those companies that may or may not be successful or may or may not produce dividends in the future. That is the risk I take long term with this investment and yes as you could tell I'm fairly well invested in them. As well the fund itself provides the business experience and networking that is needed to grow a company. For that I think the cut the fund takes is acceptable.

With securities you risk the losing out short term for potential bigger gain long term. Holding share of a company that becomes the next visa,  while a long shot, is the risk your getting with these securities. It's a huge risk but possibly even bigger reward.

As well many securities are not specific to one coin so say a fatal flaw is found in btc a company has a lot more mobility to shift to other coins compared to being stuck holding the bag.

So do due diligence, know your taking high risks and keep your self diverse and you can do well. The risk of being scammed is very high and at times is almost impossible to see (NEOBEE or Scharmbeck) but that's the risk you take.

OHAI, Newfriend.  Welcome to Bitcointalk!


Drag the mouse pointer over the word "HERE," left-click, and go go go!
Your smartiferous learnings re: "why losing bitcoin is a great way to make money because dollar" will be right at home there :)

I'll post it there as well so there is discussion in both threads. I don't think it's a great idea to have an extremely biased chart without the some discussion or a disclaimer that the information is not properly interpreted.

The chart is factual.  If you see any errors in the numbers, feel free to call them out.  Facts can be unpleasant, but never biased, extremely or otherwise.  
I don't want a repeat of the other thread, where lunatics try to convince themselves that they are making money while losing it.

I wouldn't argue the numbers but I argue the interpretation of the numbers. Your claims that you can't make money on these or that they are horrible investments are very subjective. As well your view of profit is purely did you increase your bitcoins when profiting is increasing your buying power.

Look at your one profitable security. You claim profit however if the security was bought when btc was 1000 USD then got bought back when btc was 600 USD you didn't profit. You may if you hold those btc and the prices raises past 1000 USD but until that point you did not profit. Plus that requires you to stay "invested"  in btc to even ensure that you may eventually profit.

To make a more factual chart why not add the USD value at the time of the stats plus the date so purchasing power can be represented is the most accepted representation worldwide.

Wat


Learn to unit of account.  If you are investing dollars and your slick investment returns fewer dollars than you put in, you've lost money.  Regardless of USD/BTC exchange rate.


If you didn't "invest" your BTC into 5 shares of Z, you would have been able to buy substantially *MORE than 110dollars*.  What is it you don't understand?

Let me give you your own example, but with some numbers added for teh lulz:

1. You invested 10 BTC in 5 shares of Z at the time when 1 BTC = $100.
2. Time passes, your Z shares [predictably] tank, and are now worth only .1 BTC.
3. BUT HURRAY!  Bitcoin/USD rate has changed!!1!  Now each bitcoin is worth $1100!
4. You sell your 5 Z-shares, sell your coin on an exchange, and collect $110.
5. PROFIT!!  You've turned $100 into $110!

...but wait...  If you didn't "invest" those 10 BTC, you'd have 10 BTC instead of just one.  You could then sell said BTC on an exchange and receive $11,000 instead of just $110.
...how...???  

I'm guessing you didn't understand the post. The point isn't that btc can be better return as I agree they likely will be better for some time. The issue is evaluating the investment. If I wanted to invest just in btc i could that's easy. However i choose to diversify and want some companies that are on the cutting edge of advancing btc. My only option is using btc to purchase those. So what do I do. I take my USD buy btc to then buy the security.

I could hold it all in btc but there is a different benefit from having shares of ownership in a company that a transfer protocol simply doesn't have.

Long term it seems your view is btc will always be the better investment and for the next couple years I think you are right. However once btc is mass adopted and the price stabilizes I think an investment that has the chance of paying out more that what the value of the btc over the long term is alluring.

Look up at the chart above.  Regardless of which "cutting edge" company you've invested in, you have lost.  If you want to hedge against BTC price tanking, there is a simple way to do it:  Sell the BTC and buy USD.


So which "cutting edge company" are you "invested" in and @ what price did you buy in?  Name me a date you'd like to cash out, and I'll be sure to send you a condolences gif.


It's irrelevant which way BTC moves.  As long as you keep "investing" your BTC and decimating your stash, you'll lose--in BTC, dollars, or doughnuts.  If you need some historical perspective, simply look at the chart above, it's full of fascinating historical data.  As far as "chance" goes, there's a chance that buying scratch tickets will make you a millionaire.  Though you probably shouldn't bet on it.

Also this:
http://s13.postimg.org/9qzoqckkn/Capture.jpg

Damn you NotLambchop , giving everything away for free for bitcoin securities investors? You're so generous. You should do an IPO for this table for at least 100BTC(round1), then put a tip address under the table and pay out weekly "divs" to "shareholders" from received tips.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/270/4/1/the_great_and_powerful_trixie_by_triox404-d41oruc.png

EDIT :
Another ideas for maximizing profits for your 90% of private shares(from ehm "private venture capital round"):
1) Moderate this thread. If someone wants to post something here, he must pay 0.001 BTC/post fee to Table Holdings Inc first
2) and of course listing fee 5BTC per "company" , with referral program to gain some cheerleaders on reddit

First it sounds like you make assumptions. You assume bitcoin will succeed. Whether that's true or not only time will tell. With that assumption you extend it to the thought that gaining more btc will only bring you more  buying power. These things are not certain as you seem to think they are.

You also state I can hedge using USD. It's true I can but that does not provide me the outcome I desire which is a steady stream of income over the long term. I could play margins or leveraged trades but that isn't what I'm looking for.

I'm pretty sure you could guess from my post what I'm invested in and why. Seeing as that was half of the initial post.  As well I don't plan to sell unless there is no hope left in the investment which doesn't seem likely so I expect to hold the shares for years.

Over the past 6 months I've made most of my btcs from securities however none that I would have stayed with long term other than my current investment. It became pretty easy to figure out the market if you put in the time. The biggest limitation was volume. And because of that it became easy to wait until a big dump happened buy it back up then sell off higher.

As well you assume that the time frame for these start up securities are long enough to produce a generalizable conclusion on btc securities. I doubt you have ran the stats data to show validity that your data supports your claim. Most start ups fail with in the first year the difference here is bad businessmen don't have to provide any type of plan to a bank to get a loan to start their business. Here you throw out some colorful banners and tell them they will make 200% investment in a month and people eat it up. This doesn't mean that all securities are bad it just shows you how an unregulated market works.  Shit the US has business that go under daily that are traded publically but due to regulations this rate is much lower than crypto securities.

All of this does not mean investing in securities is horrible  it just means you require more due diligence in evaluating a company and you accept a greater risk by choosing to invest in securities.

We all have different methods in investing that's based on our current demographics. Some like longer shots some like safer bets. But regardless it's all a gamble and even the safe bets like btc can tank permanently.

Don't forget starting a "rating agency" to dole out clever investings advices.  Remember this d00d?

http://s8.postimg.org/5l477qied/Capture.jpghttp://s27.postimg.org/ftlgik4ar/Capture.jpg

Pumping NEOBEE with fancy self-moderated threads 'til finally getting banned lol.

http://s28.postimg.org/uki2m7h31/shrugpony_derpy_hooves_by_moongazeponies_d3c.png

hahaha yes I remember, Derpy was classic

https://i.imgur.com/JDFY9cV.jpg

AAA+ Guaranteed.

Read highlighter FTW!
http://s23.postimg.org/urvsgnajv/Capture.jpg
 

The chart above depicts a steady stream of losses.  Unless a steady stream of losses is the result you desire, stop what you're doing and do the exact opposite.


Is it bigger than a bread box?  Stop being coy and tell me all about ur boss investings.


What you're describing here is trading, not investment.  Trading could be done successfully on the biggest scams--Labcoin, for instance, was pathetically easy, since the people "invested" in it were idiots blinded by greed.  That's not the demographic I like to see with something I'm invested in, but trading?  That's *exactly* what I want--an endless supply of greater fools.

Edit:  So much for my SRS BZNZ thread :(

Thanks for a beautiful chart Notlambchop
Can't argue with the facts there looks fine to me
A link to each asset would be nice as well but might make the chart a bit obtuse.

* To be fair you should add satoshidice since it was on havelock for a while as a pass-thru and made profit.

^
Actually no, great idea.  Forum tags let you do links like this: Provenance ASIC (PROV) (https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=PROV).
Thanks, will update it by tomorrow. Done :)

Edit:  Could you link me to the SD info?

Ok so I have gathered you have not read most of my initial post as I dedicated several paragraphs to it. Your welcome to give it another read.

How is it irrelevant how bitcoin moves? If it goes to zero you have nothing. If you have stock in a company that has assets beyond a website then you have things to liquidate that may be useful to others. In that case the better investment is the security because at least then you have something (so long as you aren't buying things like fee shares or hashrate). So explain how it's irrelevant?

Steady stream of losses? Where? I bought X shares and still have X shares. If I didn't plan to sell them how can I have lost anything. The buying power of the shares decreased but my interpretation of the value has grown in that time

And your right I was traing but my trading lead my to sticking extra funds into investments that while low now have a good looking future based on current standards. While I still will play the current market I don't plan on cashing out any time soon.

As well did you read the part about statistical validity and generalizability?  Any answers to that since your the one making the claim?

Help me out here.

Scenario number one:
You're trolling.

Scenario number two:
You're not trolling.

1. If you're not trolling, your reasoning would have impoverished you long ago, leaving you no coin to be amateur financier with.
3. Yet you claim that you have coin, and that coin is invested in sharez of something you coyly invite me to guess at.

That creates a classic reductio ad absurdum thingy--a logical no no.  Because Purplesmart!
http://s30.postimg.org/45ai7z40h/logic.png
Which, as sad as this is to accept, brings us right back to scenario number one:  You're trolling.

Stop trolling!
This was meant to be a srs thread.
I made you another thread to play in, RIGHT HERE. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665403.0)
Use it pl0x.
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Sorry not trolling just trying to shed light on your wrong claims and bad analysis of the current market. With improper understanding of the market and basic financial concepts is creating bad information that some may make the mistake of thinking your right.

*To bring this back on topic, nao new & improved:  With links!

I was wondering if you wanted to do the same thing with cryptostocks?  Cryptsy, TRADER or DEBT are just a couple investments that have profited.

^Is Cryptostocks even a thing?  If you're a fan, feel free to make a thread about it, I feel no need.

Ahhh your right it doesn't fit your rhetoric. No worries glad to get confirmation your only intent was to spread FUD and not actually try to provide valid information to people.

Newfriend, I don't remember you contributing anything to the community.
You haven't even thanked me for this thread, and already you're trying to wheedle MORE out of me.  It's always "give us more, we need more" with you people, isn't it?

How about you stop begging in my threads?

Haha that's too good. I never expected you to provide anything as that would simply defeat your intent. As well I'm simply asking you to provide proper evidence to your your claim.

 It's like saying saying X number of car accidents are caused by weed because X number of people tested positive for weed. Now just looking at the number X it sounds reasonable but key information is left out just like you did on your selection of securities. Looking deeper in the study it actually found a large majority of those drivers actually tested positive for alcohol as well. That new information that was withheld showed that the initial claim was an invalid one. But if they said the truth it wouldn't support what they are trying to achieve. This is exactly what's happening in your charts. You have an purpose and willfully ignore any information that contradicts your interpretation.

And as for contributing I think I've done quite well at showing the error in your methods.

The scope of this 'claim' is about how most Havelock securities are a bad investment. Not listing the other 'exchanges' does not invalidate the facts presented.

Err... all of the securities on Havelock.  Each and every one.  In a thread titled Havelock Securities At A Glance:  The SRS BZNZ Edition.
You are now begging for another thread, like this one, but about some absurdity called Cryptostocks.  The only exposure I have had to Cryptostocks was something called [RETURN] Announcing CoinReturn Financial IPO! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504128.0).

I have advised the finance enthusiasts "invested" in said firm that, unless they ran very quickly, the august issuers [known to our amateur investors only as "Tom" and "Jeff"] would OKTHXBAI first, leaving our titans of finance to sob and wipe snot on their pant legs.

Unsurprisingly, this came to pass, but with surprising rapidity--a couple of days.

So now you know what I know about Cryptostocks.
Now stop being retarded >:(

Your right that is just for securities in general. The info posted previously about the purchasing power of stocks at ipo compared to now is what invalidates his claim. His definition of "profit"  is his major error in the chart.

Edit: also his initial post of the chart was not specified to Havelock it was to securities in general and he just posted Havelock information

Which definition is that?  I even reached back into the past to include a delisted security which did show a profit.

The simple truth is that almost every security will loose you coins.  Early AM and SD investors did well...the rest are bag holders.  I am glad these kind of threads point out how horrible bitcoin securities are. 

I think you should also add other securities not listed on Havelock.  I almost invested a bunch of my coins into ice drill...thanks god I didn't.  I would like a single thread with every bitcoin security/mining coop/ and also MPEX stuff is listed!  I would donate to the effort.

The problem was this post wasn't too inform but manipulate. If your look at the "why do you invest?"  thread NotLambchop is the owner of B.Mine B.Exchange and B.Sell. He wanted a biased chart to make people think his security is better than the others. If he was to post other securities like cryptsy, TRADER or DEBT from cryptostocks it wouldn't support what he's trying to do as those stocks are higher.

There is a big reason why earlier cryptostocks listings tended to stay above ipo until problems happened. Havelock has always had ipo flags which didn't allow you to sell during ipo. Prior to several months ago cryptostocks didn't have that. So if someone wanted to liquidate a Havelock security you had to wait then everyone did it all at once when the ipo flag dropped. Sadly cryptostocks started allowing this as well but prior to that there was never a post ipo crash like every Havelock stock because people weren't restricted on when they could sell.

Lol, what gave you that idea?
*Did you know that tinfoil is virtually unobtainable today?  My minions have replaced it with cheap ersatz aluminum foil, which can't even stop the puny nm-range thought control radiation, forget the mighty sub-ether spread-spectrum orgone waves I provide to your Reptilian Overlords.  

That's why you've been thinking them strange thoughts, Germican--your hat is useless.  I'm only telling you this 'coz it's too late for you to do anything about it--I'm in ur brainz, firing your neuronz!

twentyseventy runs that.

Yeah i see that now. I had thought in the prior post to that, that I was so arguing with NotLambchop. Must have been having to much fun and didn't realize it wasn't him.

^
http://s29.postimg.org/nlpk9wggn/doireally.gif

Prices updated to 6/30/2014.  Chart in the first post left unedited for ref.
In the span of five days, prices fell on all but 2 offerings.
One delisting(KCIM).
One failed IPO (PROV).
Two (MS and SMG) remained ~unchanged.
If you see any errors, please PM/post.  Thanks.

  ~Happy investing

 

Edit: corrected ROCKMINER
Edit 7/7/2014:  SDICE added; LABCO added

Quick note, total dividends for KCIM ended up being 0.001849 (though I do see your note on the bottom about being last updated on the 25th). Also, like HMF we split 100:1 as well, so the dividends were the equivalent of BTC0.1849 on an IPO of BTC1.0.

Not saying it's anything to be proud of, but I did want to make sure the chart was factual. Maybe an additional column noting any splits?

Anyway, this is a good chart to have. A comprehensive list of all successes and (overwhelming) failures on Havelock (or other exchanges) should be a good demonstration to anyone looking to invest their coins. Bitcoin-based securities are risky, to put it lightly. I'm not sure many people fully grasp that concept yet.

Hi, sorry about that, thanks for pointing out the mistakes.  Updated KCIF with divs/note re. stock split (with a link to your post), and HMF with a note for now.
All the best.

Dude, all it takes is one forum-wide search to verify your facts before posting to a thread.  You could have just searched 'Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative', found who the OP was, and easily seen that it was twentyseventy.


Tsk, tsk, tsk.   :-X

Sure had to go back a bit in time sorry missed that edit for a while
https://web.archive.org/web/20130702194203/https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=SDICE&action=getdetails
https://web.archive.org/web/20130702192803/https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=SDICE&action=getupdates

IPO
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1433087#msg1433087
Can't recall exact shares they held but somewhere around 6200 Units + If you look at the updates from the archive
February 5th, 2013 - Well that was exciting!

S.DICE sale on MPEX sold out in ~20 seconds. I managed to get 120,000 of the 1,000,000 shares for Havelock (12% worth of what was released) at a decent rate of 0.00557 for 100k and 0.00550 for 20k. I subsequently listed them on Havelock at 0.565, and sold out immediately (eating up all the bids between 0.645 and 0.565)

Sounds like there'll be another 1,000,000 on sale again tomorrow night on MPEX, probably at slightly higher rate.. If there's bids in the order book for Havelock, I'll try again to buy what I can to match it up!

Have a good night!
James

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136671.0

Confirmation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134370.msg1433091#msg1433091
Closed
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg2759533#msg2759533

Started at

Havelock Passthrough: 0.00480000

That said if anyone is 100% certain of some other numbers feel free to call me out :P
Pretty sure its on the money

MPEX Stuff
https://web.archive.org/web/20120907063551/http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/assets/S.DICE_Prospectus_Summary.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20130502225616/http://www.polimedia.us/bitcoin/assets/S.DICE_Prospectus_Full.pdf
Dividend record to May
https://web.archive.org/web/20130502173747/http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE
Final Dividend
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg2759402#msg2759402

Old Summary
http://tradeblock.com/research/bitcoin-gaming-satoshidice-acquisition-analysis/
http://buttcoin.org/satoshi-dice-sold-for-12000000-forces-all-shareholders-to-give-up-their-shares
The total sale price is 126,315 BTC, or 0.00126315 BTC per share.
According to the MPEX Agreement, MPEX holders are entitled to receive 0.00126315 BTC per share, alongside other private owners. However, for the good of the MPEX holders and for the sake of the general Bitcoin community, which the site always has intended to support and nurture, SatoshiDice has arranged to pay MPEX holders an additional .00223685 BTC per share bringing the total to 0.0035 BTC per share.

TL/DR Summary Profit was made lol
http://tradeblock.com/research/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/shareholder-return.png


Also back in the time machine
CAVIRTEX
:)

Sorry about S Dice didn't save a prospectus so if someone has it can they share it instead
I do have one for virtex though so you can get all the info you need.
End result Company shutdown the Bitcoin asset Tied their shares to Fiat and released share certificates worth $30 bucks tied to BTC making them hard/impossible to trade lol.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg3954404#msg3954404

http://depositfiles.com/files/xufm7ut77

Minimum purchase: 1 share
Share price: $30 CAD = 0.64 BTC5
VirtEx IPO will issue 10,000 shares for sale on
www.havelockinvestments.com
on March 19, 2013
SYMBOL: VTX

@Swordsoffreedom:  Thanks, will update today, though since SD was an MPEx offering, with Havelock acting as a passthrough, hope I won't be accused of pimping MPEx :D

Done.

There's no point to invest through a deflationary currency.

No problem, ah and don't forget cavirtex :)
That one is easier to track just 30 dollars in fiat linked to BTC as the price haha and NO on the chart lol.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg3998459#msg3998459
The share price will be fixed at $30 CAD per share (due to our Canadian dollar valuation) but priced in BTC. At the time of this writing [March 18, 2013] using an exchange rate of $46.875 CAD/BTC one share will cost 0.64 BTC. The BTC price will change on Havelock every hour as the BTC/CAD exchange rate changes."

This thread should be pinned to the top.

Updated; corrections welcome.

@Notlambchop

It was 0.64/BTC / Share on Cavirtex not 0.3922 but nice work  ;)

@Swordsoffreedom, got .3922 from webarchive, here: (http://web.archive.org/web/20130824180748/https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=VTX&action=getofferings) 

http://s9.postimg.org/fxlwg74lb/Capture.jpg

More than one tranche maybe?  Thanks.

Hmm let me check again the IPO Page which I based it off said 0.64

http://depositfiles.com/files/xufm7ut77

The Archive Download works too strange
http://web.archive.org/web/20130702162325/https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=VTX&action=getofferings

Edit In: I think your right actually since that was what was listed there although the one that virtex put in the IPO sheet was recorded higher
They must have adjusted down back then
Guess keep the original and assume that was the correct value.

Slightly OT, but posting this in fairness to Havelock.

http://s28.postimg.org/6ef06hoxp/Capture.jpg
A screencap from a few minutes ago, with the following color keys:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Tomato.png:  Fraud or trading at less than 1/10th the issue price.
http://37.media.tumblr.com/1e3e2f4db8e8335c50ddbf42440593bd/tumblr_mtc173soby1simnquo1_500.png:  Trading below IPO;  (cumulative divvidends paid)+(current price) < IPO price
http://ppt.wz51z.com/PMP2/People.To.School/animations/people_s/singer/rap_man_throwing_money_hb.gif: Proven profitable since IPO.

No color: New offering/ratings do not apply.

TL;DR update:

More of the same.  A couple of Three new IPOs.

ROCKMINER Fractional Units 100:1 [ROCK]
  Issue price:      .00112
  Current price:   .00055
  Divs total:        .00001
  Loss to date:   ~50%

Big Trend Capital Investment [HASH]
  Issue price:       .022
  Current price:    .003
  Divs total:         0
  Loss to date:    kek

Edit:  Whoops, missed one:
Bitcoin ATM Fund Ignite Financing [BTM]
  Issue price:      0.0018
  Current price:   0.0015
  Divs total:        0
  Loss to date:   yes

The chart below isn't updated because lazy and only the amounts of losses have changed--most increased, none decreased, a couple remained unchanged.
Since there are no profitable investments (haven't been since Havelock was "sold" to Panama Fund), I assume intrepid investors are "investing" as a form of self-abuse/humiliation, possibly as penance for past sins, a plea for attention, or to satisfy a creepy fetish.  Regardless, it's clear that more numbers and facts won't change a thing.

  ~Happy investing

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Table is obviously out of date and not maintained, but I wanted to say kudos for the message. None of the "securities" have one much to enrich the investors. There is no "get rich quick" method, only madness.

Havelock investments have made me rich with anticipation.

I can wait so good.

Well since the site is down for maintenance
A bit of securities history might be amusing for some
So light bump as well

Oh. Boss investing. I had no idea :o

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo3optq7BV1qha245o1_500.gif

and there are exchanges that have profitable offerings?
The problem is the offerings, the exchanges are just skimming from us suckers.

You need a trustworthy business/owner that has a business plan to earn bitcoins. That appears to be an impossible ask.

Most of the options of what can happen when you invest bitcoins are bad, it just doesn't make sense. If the price of bitcoin goes down, you get back more bitcoins, but can do less with them, and you lose the ability to use trade those coins yourself while someone else is holding them.

If the price goes up, it encourages them to steal and/or makes it harder/impossible for them to pay you back.

That doesn't even mention the fact that most of these "businesses" have no actual business plan that would stand up to any amount of due diligence. Some nobody is going to run a bank. Another nobody is going to make money investing in the other nonsense businesses. We are going to make mony from pepole selling us money making machines that they aren't using for some reason, etc etc.

Not that I know of best chance is with altcoins (Clams XD)
Otherwise I guess off-chain coins like Ethereum and Maidsafe
Never tried any counterparty stocks so would not know.

I like blank samples
Seems like a good time to screenshot the prices Circa 2015
Keep the vintage version though as a reminder but a new chart with updates to the securities would make sense.
Circa Mar 2015

One survior out of that tunnel
Rentalstarter by Branny abandoning the forums  ;)