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My brother died a little over a year ago now, and his death made me wish that there was a way to have kept him alive digitally. I found a thread about putting a human consciousness on the block chain, but I can not find that thread anymore. So I thought I would make a new one.

What do you guys think about the possibility of a human consciousness being placed on a block chain?

First someone would have to create a block chain that could answer questions, as a model (and I have heard of people using block chains for file storage, so I do not see why that would be hard, and the Watson computer used Wikipedia to win Jeopardy.) Then once there was a block chain that could be mined for answers, then eventually someone could maybe find a way to imprint their actual human being into the block chain.

ECG and Transcranial Direct Current Stimulation are probably good things to look in to for this.

Not quite sure the blockchain would be the funnest place to have your mind trapped in
Maybe a MMORPG playing a game forever or three dimesnional reality but Jepoardy bot is the closet we have (Watson) in AI
But if a robot passes the Turing test then it can be seen as intelligent.

Block-chain technology is not suitable for storing massive amounts of data. It's sole purpose is deciding the order of transactions and publishing them.

I was not aware of the 2013 thread on the same subject.

• Futuristic project: upload your brain in a blockchain (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291020.40)
  
• Blockchain and Human Immortality! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=660517.0)
  

stop viewing "transendance" movie ...  ::)
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/QheoYw1BKJ4/0.jpg

First of all, sorry for the loss...

Forget blockchain. It is not yet possible to store a human mind in a local machine, except for some sci-fi movie.

What u can do is mine a block and emboss his name in the header.

Technical and philosophical uncertainties aside, I don't thing a blockchain is a suitable medium for humanlike consciousness. A blockchain exists to lock down a state irrevocably, and state changes are encoded in new blocks referring to the old ones. If you think the Bitcoin blockchain is bloated. just try storing every neural operation in one... Besides, neural rewiring, malleability of memory etc. seem like pretty important parts of being a live person to me.

We'll just have to do with our memories of those lost for now.

finshaggy.. please put the weed away when you are watching transcendence.. whats next you want to pretend you thought it up first..

do something productive with bitcoin, your fantasies are not making bitcoin stronger..

FTFY

I am not saying that I have cracked the code or solved for x or anything, I am just saying that a Blockchain could probably hold a mind better than any hardware and software or ANY hierarchy of systems without a blockchain.

Thank you for finding that. I don't know why I couldn't.

I have actually never seen that movie, lol.

I don't expect to be able to put HIM on the block chain, that is just when I thought of it. I was just suggesting it for someone else, and for a possible AI.

Watch this. This guy is the CLOSEST IN THE WORLD to achieving Artificial Intelligence. And to me it seems like he is missing a block chain to make the computer more than a computer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_nOddk01E

LOL

First, I have never seen transcendence.
Second, I clearly stated where I got the idea. So clearly that someone else was able to go out and find the thread I was talking about even though they had never seen it before, so... Yeah.

Maybe get your head out of your ass. And stop smelling your own farts. For Bitcoin.

And, thinking back on the concept I am pretty sure I read about a universal web of artificial intelligence in the 2nd Ender's Game book, called: Speaker for the Dead. Where Ender has an AI bluetooth that lives in the internet and can move between planets, and even discovers how to step outside of space and time.

So if anything, Transcendence copied THEM. I didn't copy transcendence. I have never even seen it.

either way, stick with reality and documentaries, your weed filled mind and science fiction stories is not going to help bitcoin expand.. and makes your posts belong in off-topic or trashcan,,

you have no knowledge of estimates of data requirements to hold every thought, image, memory and logic rule that corresponds to a human mind.

you have no blockchain experience to make it possible to hold this data..

basically why would every bitcoin node on earth want to store your brother...

bitcoin is about everyone having a copy of a ledger/database/data. AI would work on a central datacenter, which had internet access to get information from the planet... NOT have millions of copies of a human on everyone computer..

AI reality would be stored centrally with access to the world.. it wont be decentralised

now please take your non bitcoin fantasies to a sci-fi forum, and stop trying to use this forum for your fantasies simply by finding the most limpest and weakest possible way to use the word bitcoin in your dream. in an attempt to make it tolerated to be posted here.

please cut down on the weed and when using this forum, try to stick to reality and actual things that would actually help bitcoin expand

LOL

Do you feel like you know me somehow?
Did me talking about making a town make you feel like we were close or something?

Even if you have seen a picture of me (many people have) what makes you think you can start saying what I do and do not know?

You are a sad troll. Please, get a life and make threads that WILL help bitcoin instead of pretending that shit talking a stranger (me) is doing anything progressive.

We may someday soon achieve strong AI, but it will always be artificial.

There will never be "spiritual machines" or true
consciousness/awareness in a computer.

How will physical reality be able to distinguish between machines created by evolution and machines created by man in a lab?

This depends on one's philosophical position.
If you are a material reductionist like Kurzweil, you would say it can't.

But I would disagree, as I believe consciousness is primary and
does not originate from the physical domain.

There is a possibility for this in the future. MRI resolution would be the key. If you can scan all of the synapses in a brain you might capture the personality. Building a machine with enough processing power to support an entire human personality is not as big of a technical issue but one you would have to consider as well. It is an intellectually intriguing idea, but would it be ethical to trap a human in a machine? 

But if we can achieve randomness within a hierarchy of systems that have extreme sensory input, we can get very close.

I think that if the person were in the machine, they would still be alive. It would probably be more like a clone, ready to be copied off the computer, but instead of putting it in a body, you put it on a blockchain.

And we can now put people's DNA into 1s and 0s.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=677912

In that case I would say that seems right, that or store it in a DNA cell seems like the future
If it evolves transplant that data storage or mind into an organic construct
Basically creating intelligent life instead of a blockchain storage.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134672-harvard-cracks-dna-storage-crams-700-terabytes-of-data-into-a-single-gram

But it's hard to store a brain with ideas and thoughts maybe possible but not now.

U could always "make a friend".  But your "friend" died.  Maybe u should just accept the fact that Jesus died for your sins so u don't HAVE to write a computer virus that emulates him

Our 'minds', 'souls', 'spirit' and consciousness are all physical in nature. Thousands of years of research have shown that our brains comprise and produce our true selves. Souls and spirits do not exist. Our bodies run themselves. We know from cases of brain damage and the effects of psychoactive drugs, that our experiences are caused by physical chemistry acting on our physical neurones in our brains.

i don't miss no one.  maybe G-d defines who we should live with.  cause everyone that is dead i don't want them in my life (excluding you Amy Winehouse  :P)

You're certainly entitled to that viewpoint,
and it could be considered the more "scientific" one.

I say souls do exist and that reality manifests itself on multiple
planes of existence simultaneously.  For example,
love is real, but also may be expressed in the physical
domain by neurons firing in the brain.

Possibilities of modern science are amazing so it seems fantastic only on the first sight

Evidence is everything, without evidence all you have is opinion. There will always be someone with an opposite opinion to yours. The sum of all opinions is zero, rendering them utterly worthless.

Science and spirituality are two different realms.  You cannot prove love, God, or spirit.
If your intuition doesn't tell you that science is not necessarily the ultimate truth,
then there is little I can do to convince you otherwise, and that is ok.

although for entertainment purposes, I suggest you check out the movie
"what the bleep do we know?"

My intuition tells me that science is the only path to the truth. So where does that get us? Nowhere. Again this demonstrates the importance of evidence.


Yes, I've seen it. A lot of good science interspersed with pseudo-science inorder to mezmorize the gullible.

 
One must follow their own intuition and path
to the truth, and I respect your opinion.

My intuition tells me something different and
my experiential reality is the evidence of it.
There have been many prominent
scientists who also believed in God.

Just because we believe something that doesn't make it true.

Agreed.

Wait, so you think we will one day put 1s and 0s on DNA and that that will constitute artificial computer life?

The soul is the Shadow. "Swt" to the ancient Egyptians. It can be captured in a Silhouette, a Statue and probably a Picture/Video, they just didn't have those yet.

Then there is "Ren" the name of a thing, which is another concept of soul.

Then there is the Personality. "Ba"?
The Life Spark. "Ka"

Then there is the Heart, which circulates the blood and is another form of soul.

Yup. Searle's paper was one of the first that I read when studying Artificial Intelligence. I don't believe that we will ever achieve Strong AI, but that doesn't mean that it isn't possible, just because I can't comprehend it.

Going back to the OP, I don't see how a blockchain would provide a suitable model for querying. There is a lot of work using neural networks, multi-layered perceptron etc for providing decisions based on information seen.

The real skill is how do you model the knowledge such that it has features which are comparable and there to be queried. You could build a rudimentary model, but the responses would be somewhat contrived. Also the best training when building such a model would include the person themselves, in addition to other people such as family, friends, co-workers etc.

Sorry to hear about your brother's passing btw, it's interesting that you are seeking ways to preserve his life. Sometimes memories are not enough.

The Block chain could process questions like transactions, and the hash rate would be the thinking speed of the AI. And people around the world could ask questions and join the network to help keep the bot alive.

Eventually it could even be a system of bots that all worked on one hive mind and there could be like teddy bears that answer questions for kids.

I am not trying to preserve him, I understand that his mind is gone. I preserve him in my own ways.

consider how much data a human body could produce (maybe trillion trillion TB size :o ), normal blockchain concept isn't suit for that .You need a super bitcloud-chain

Yeah you're right about how much it can produce, but it would be a model, and therefore an estimation of the human mind. You would be storing the information gain, not the raw data itself.

I Was thinking it could be a network of computers all connected via Blockchain.

Kinda like Bitcoin, but the transactions are questions.

yes,u can try this www.proofofexistence.com (http://www.proofofexistence.com)

But the blockchain is all about redundancy. The data is stored redundantly across many nodes, which is what makes it robust to failures, rather than distributed across clients in some proportionate manner.

You should watch the movie Transcendence, it's literally about copying the consciousness and storing it on a computer and thus keeping the person alive, in a way.

I think being broadcast across a global network could solve this, and hierarchies of systems to be used as brains.

Sure, you could use grid computing as a means for calculations just as Bitcoin does for hashing solutions when processing blocks.

The storage itself i.e. the Blockchain is stored redundantly and therefore that cannot be shared out. There would surely have to be a central location for storing the ruleset (knowledge base).

cryptopher, relax dont try teach bitcoin-hotep (finshaggy) he is in his own dreamworld.

he is not understanding that the block data on my pc matches 100% the blockdata on your pc. meaning for him to put his little brother onto the blockchain, a full copy of all memory's, logic choices and images that build up a consciousness would be in full, 100% on my PC and 100% on your PC..

why would we want him on my or your pc..

bitcoins are not the technology for storage of human consciousness, because there would be thousands of complete copies of a single human on every persons pc. the consciousness is not spread where a single memory is on mine, a single memory is on yours and the peer-to-peer connections bring the two together.. that is not a bitcoin blockchain.. its where EVERY memory is on mine and VERY memory is on yours.

bitcoin-hotep(finshaggy) is deluded in all his dreams, he makes up fantasy stories and does money grabs, he even blackmailed his own mother and step father. the only reason he is here is by making up a unrelated fantasy. and then spends some time to find a way to mention the word 'bitcoin' in his fantasy, to then, in his mind make it relevant to be posted on this forum. Because in simple terms, no one wants to read it anywhere else unless he tries to make his dreams relevant to other readers.

this dream is irrelevant to bitcoin and so he needs to stop with the dreams and to start actually doing something that is truly related to bitcoin. (i have told him this many times.. kind of weird he has not understood how off-topic his mind is)

It would be impossible given both the theoretical constraints (how do you define human nature with a set of rules?) and the technological constraints (even if you could the amount of space you would require I'd wager would be beyond what we have today or anywhere in the near future). Not to mention you'd probably create a ridiculously inaccurate portrayal of the human your trying to copy; it just cannot be done.

You watch too many sci-fi movies. There is no such thing as storing someone consciousness.

Yet, we do not know the future or we would have built computers 1000 years ago :)

Not YET there isn't.