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Title: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: keyscore44 on July 05, 2014, 11:03:41 PM
the murderous terrorists strike again....

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Mohamed Abu Khdeir, the Palestinian teenager who was kidnapped and murdered on Wednesday in a suspected revenge killing by Israeli extremists, was burned alive after suffering a head injury, the Palestinian attorney general has claimed. The allegation is said to be based on initial postmortem findings that discovered soot deposits in his lungs suggesting he was still breathing when he was set on fire. The shocking details, if confirmed, would seem likely to exacerbate already toxic tensions.

The reports emerged as Egypt tried to conclude a ceasefire deal between Hamas in Gaza and Israel. But it appeared not to have taken hold, with fresh reports of rocket fire into Israel from the coastal strip.

The murder of 17-year-old Khdeir, who was buried on Friday in a highly charged funeral after his abduction outside a mosque next to his home in the early hours of Wednesday morning, has prompted days of serious rioting in Palestinian neighbourhoods of East Jerusalem, which then spread to Israeli-Arab towns.

"The direct cause of death was burns as a result of fire and its complications," attorney general Mohammed al-A'wewy told the Palestinian official news agency, Wafa, late on Friday. Israeli officials have yet to release their findings from the postmortem on the body.

Tensions have risen after three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped on 12 June and later found dead in the occupied West Bank. That has been followed by an outbreak of racist incitement on Israeli social media sites, street attacks and Khdeir's murder, a suspected revenge attack. Saber al-Aloul, director of the Palestinian forensic institute, attended the postmortem carried out by Israeli doctors in Tel Aviv. A'wewy said Aloul had reported that fire-dust material had been found in Khdeir's respiratory canal, which meant "the boy had inhaled this material while he was burned alive". Burns covered 90% of his body.

The discovery of the youth's body in a forest on the outskirts of Jerusalem has prompted the worst riots in the holy city in recent memory. The violence spread to northern Arab towns on Saturday morning, an Israeli police spokeswoman, Luba Samri, said. Protesters there threw stones at passing cars, burned tyres and hurled fire bombs at police, who responded with teargas and stun grenades. More than 20 people were arrested.

At Khdeir's funeral, furious Palestinians chanted "Intifada! Intifada!", calling for a new uprising against Israel. They clashed with Israeli police in one of the most highly charged displays of enmity in Jerusalem in years.

Palestinian officials trying to calm tensions have said they would prevent any intifada, or uprising, and seek a solution to the crisis that began when the three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped.

The discovery of the young Israelis' bodies on Monday prompted an outpouring of national grief in Israel.

In a separate incident, it was claimed by relatives that Abu Khdeir's 15-year-old cousin, Tariq, a US citizen who goes to school in Florida, was beaten by police during clashes on Thursday ahead of the funeral. The American consulate had no immediate comment on the report. His parents, Suha and Salah, said Tariq was detained but had been treated at an Israeli hospital.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/05/palestinian-boy-mohammed-abu-khdeir-burned-alive


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 06, 2014, 06:58:47 AM
What about the murder of the three Israeli teenagers? Why you were not condemning that incident? The murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir was extremely unfortunate. But the incident which provoked this murder should not be forgotten.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: gavgav on July 06, 2014, 06:14:10 PM
What about the murder of the three Israeli teenagers? Why you were not condemning that incident? The murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir was extremely unfortunate. But the incident which provoked this murder should not be forgotten.

Well said!


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: Charlie Prime on July 06, 2014, 06:19:22 PM
What about the murder of the three Israeli teenagers? Why you were not condemning that incident? The murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir was extremely unfortunate. But the incident which provoked this murder should not be forgotten.

Let's count up who has murdered the most teenagers.

Your friend Israel, that's who.



Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: beetcoin on July 06, 2014, 06:30:14 PM
What about the murder of the three Israeli teenagers? Why you were not condemning that incident? The murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir was extremely unfortunate. But the incident which provoked this murder should not be forgotten.

Let's count up who has murdered the most teenagers.

Your friend Israel, that's who.



it's not just that - it's how the israelis gentrify the palestinians. i don't 100% support the palestinians, as both sides have done bad.. but i don't see how someone can honestly say that palestinians screw the israelis over more than vice versa.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: tvbcof on July 06, 2014, 06:58:11 PM
What about the murder of the three Israeli teenagers? Why you were not condemning that incident? The murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir was extremely unfortunate. But the incident which provoked this murder should not be forgotten.

Let's count up who has murdered the most teenagers.

Your friend Israel, that's who.

it's not just that - it's how the israelis gentrify the palestinians. i don't 100% support the palestinians, as both sides have done bad.. but i don't see how someone can honestly say that palestinians screw the israelis over more than vice versa.

Obviously in a conflict such as this there are atrocities on all sides.  By nature I am prone to give the underdogs a bit more slack.  Here we have a well funded and organized security state with nuclear weapons and high levels of funding (complements of my tax dollars) trying to colonize areas and drive out individuals on the basis of ethnic identity.  These people being driven off and having their homes razed and farms destroyed are often armed with nothing more than slingshots.  Litterally!  By nature I'm definitely prone to sympathize with the those in the position of the Palestinians, and that is even more the case after analyzing the policies of the government and the attitudes of the settlers.

Some of the settlers really do seem to be among the most detestable people ever in my opinion.  Burning the Khdeir kid alive did nothing to dissuade me of that contention (though I'll reserve judgement on this case until the facts are in.)  OTOH, the beating of Khdeir's American cousin by the Israeli security forces is pretty clear.  Whether or not they were trying to kill the kid, it looks like it could easily have resulted in his death.  How a person could watch several grown men working on behalf of the government kicking and stomping an unconscious 15 year old and continue to support Israel as some sort of a beacon of good in the Middle East is beyond me.  Of course it will be written off as 'a few bad apples', but then a whole lot of Palestinians seem to be turning up dead.



Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: beetcoin on July 06, 2014, 07:00:34 PM
What about the murder of the three Israeli teenagers? Why you were not condemning that incident? The murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir was extremely unfortunate. But the incident which provoked this murder should not be forgotten.

Let's count up who has murdered the most teenagers.

Your friend Israel, that's who.

it's not just that - it's how the israelis gentrify the palestinians. i don't 100% support the palestinians, as both sides have done bad.. but i don't see how someone can honestly say that palestinians screw the israelis over more than vice versa.

Obviously in a conflict such as this there are atrocities on all sides.  By nature I am prone to give the underdogs a bit more slack.  Here we have a well funded and organized security state with nuclear weapons and high levels of funding (complements of my tax dollars) trying to colonize areas and drive out individuals on the basis of ethnic identity.  These people being driven off and having their homes razed and farms destroyed are often armed with nothing more than slingshots.  Litterally!  By nature I'm definitely prone to sympathize with the those in the position of the Palestinians, and that is even more the case after analyzing the policies of the government and the attitudes of the settlers.

Some of the settlers really do seem to be among the most detestable people ever in my opinion.  Burning the Khdeir kid alive did nothing to dissuade me of that contention (though I'll reserve judgement on this case until the facts are in.)  OTOH, the beating of Khdeir's American cousin by the Israeli security forces is pretty clear.  Whether or not they were trying to kill the kid, it looks like it could easily have resulted in his death.  How a person could watch several grown men working on behalf of the government kicking and stomping an unconscious 15 year old and continue to support Israel as some sort of a beacon of good in the Middle East is beyond me.  Of course it will be written off as 'a few bad apples', but then a whole lot of Palestinians seem to be turning up dead.



i'm not the most knowledgeable on the matter, so i may be wrong.. but it seems like the palestinians have retaliated with extremism because they were stripped of their sovereignty and dignity. israel has so much control of the resources and power in the region that they just get royally screwed. i mean, there's a wall built just to keep them out.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: Honeypot on July 07, 2014, 06:25:48 AM
3 Jewish teenage boys from rabbi school gets murdered by hamas and world makes jokes.

1 Palestinian gets offed by small vigilante justice gone wrong and all of a sudden it's worth more of an issue.

As an impartial observer with ties to neither side by any stretch of imagination, it's obvious the left and gullible are being manipulated or otherwise being fucking pathetic enough to think the justice is with these palestinians.

Are we supposed to feel bad for people who have continuously allowed themselves to be used by arab interests and willingly shout genocide of israel every other day?



Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: TECSHARE on July 07, 2014, 06:59:39 AM
3 Jewish teenage boys from rabbi school gets murdered by hamas and world makes jokes.

1 Palestinian gets offed by small vigilante justice gone wrong and all of a sudden it's worth more of an issue.

As an impartial observer with ties to neither side by any stretch of imagination, it's obvious the left and gullible are being manipulated or otherwise being fucking pathetic enough to think the justice is with these palestinians.

Are we supposed to feel bad for people who have continuously allowed themselves to be used by arab interests and willingly shout genocide of israel every other day?


Maybe no one takes Israel seriously because they commit genocide of Palestinians because God told them to. Both sides are clearly responsible for wrongdoing, but Israel takes far too much joy in exterminating and stealing land from the Palestinian people. The actions of other arab countries doesn't give them a right to exterminate Palestinians. I don't care who you support, if your justification is "because God said so" you have no moral authority.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: armin22 on July 07, 2014, 07:07:08 AM
3 Jewish teenage boys from rabbi school gets murdered by hamas and world makes jokes.

1 Palestinian gets offed by small vigilante justice gone wrong and all of a sudden it's worth more of an issue.

As an impartial observer with ties to neither side by any stretch of imagination, it's obvious the left and gullible are being manipulated or otherwise being fucking pathetic enough to think the justice is with these palestinians.

Are we supposed to feel bad for people who have continuously allowed themselves to be used by arab interests and willingly shout genocide of israel every other day?


Maybe no one takes Israel seriously because they commit genocide of Palestinians because God told them to. Both sides are clearly responsible for wrongdoing, but Israel takes far too much joy in exterminating and stealing land from the Palestinian people. The actions of other arab countries doesn't give them a right to exterminate Palestinians. I don't care who you support, if your justification is "because God said so" you have no moral authority.

And who could forget, Israel doesn't forget to turn their children into fucking shitheads too.

http://sabbah.biz/mt/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/192642682_2fea4cce66_o.jpg


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: Honeypot on July 07, 2014, 12:11:38 PM
3 Jewish teenage boys from rabbi school gets murdered by hamas and world makes jokes.

1 Palestinian gets offed by small vigilante justice gone wrong and all of a sudden it's worth more of an issue.

As an impartial observer with ties to neither side by any stretch of imagination, it's obvious the left and gullible are being manipulated or otherwise being fucking pathetic enough to think the justice is with these palestinians.

Are we supposed to feel bad for people who have continuously allowed themselves to be used by arab interests and willingly shout genocide of israel every other day?


Maybe no one takes Israel seriously because they commit genocide of Palestinians because God told them to. Both sides are clearly responsible for wrongdoing, but Israel takes far too much joy in exterminating and stealing land from the Palestinian people. The actions of other arab countries doesn't give them a right to exterminate Palestinians. I don't care who you support, if your justification is "because God said so" you have no moral authority.

LOL

Who screams god is great and death to israel every other friday?

Sucks to be dealt what you try to deal ain't it?

It seems trying to demonize the people whose lands were conveniently stolen and squatted on for almost 2000 years is the in thing to do now (conveniently romans did their dirty work for them, and if building a golden vain monument to your religion marks your holy site, then let's see about that golden buddist statue temple at mecca). You want to talk history, why not address all the parts which give incredible amount of justification to the jews (by your own infantile and slanted standards no less), or is that too inconvenient?

 If these so called palestinians had half the justification as much as israelites they will be screaming about holy war right about now (fact that they are still screaming it now not withstanding).

You want to be treated racially and start an ethnic war? You got one. Sounds like these thieves and whores are getting what's coming to them.

These cheeky thieves are all too happy to receive israelite wages and benefits of jewish state that punches well above its weight while the rest of the arab world pours what's left of oil money to pockets of few and continuously institute racial and religious policies that selectively chooses which standards they want to enforce.

Selective shit only works when someone else is stupid enough to believe it. Being a contrarian dip shit doesn't fly for issues like these.

Get your head out of your ass and don't even try to think you know anything by jumping out of the frying pan into the fire (all dim witted liberal former pro-israel now trying to be anti israel).


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: TECSHARE on July 07, 2014, 12:53:56 PM
I don't care who you support, if your justification is "because God said so" you have no moral authority.
I think you have a reading comprehension problem, or perhaps you are willfully ignorant. Israel has more than overused its victim card, and the world sees how it acts toward Palestine and no longer believes any statements from Israel, because more often than not they tend to be composed of racism, hatred, and lies. Your vitriolic overactive response is evidence of this. Isreal's own crimes are simply starting to come home to roost, and in response Isreal gets more and more extremist. No one believes a multimillennial old claim to land is justification for genocide but Israel.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: sana8410 on July 07, 2014, 01:41:43 PM
Both entities are equally responsible for all these killings. No one can say its just Israel or just Palestine. You can try but it doesnt fly. You shoot rockets you will get repreisals. You bomb people you will get rockets. In no certain order. This is simply tit for tat and its turning the world off to both of them. The constant ebb and flow of death and injury proves neither should have the right to exist.
No christian in good conscious should be supporting Israel No muslim should be supporting Palestine.

At the same time we know neither governing body performed either of these killings. But they do perform the reactions.
Its time to turn that part of the world, Palestine, the Gaza and Israel into a world vacation spot. Populated only by people who work there.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: zolace on July 07, 2014, 01:58:17 PM
This is a strange case that falls outside anything in this already brutal conflict.  Jewish settlers have been known to attack Palestinians but not like this. Maybe it is wise to wait a bit and see what turns up.  Quick assumptions are dangerous.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: umair127 on July 07, 2014, 02:36:45 PM
Until the perpetrators are arrested we do not know. The fact that one person among the police speculates it was a revenge killing does not establish that as a fact. It is quite possible that it was revenge, and it is quite possible it was something else entirely.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: Rigon on July 07, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Officials have indeed said that the autopsy indicates burning alive. They have not said that this was a revenge killing. An alternate explanation is that he was gay and killed for his relationship with a neighbor's son.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: kuroman on July 07, 2014, 08:19:53 PM
What about the murder of the three Israeli teenagers? Why you were not condemning that incident? The murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir was extremely unfortunate. But the incident which provoked this murder should not be forgotten.
Both should be condemned but what I find problematic here is the double standards, Palestinians teens dies everyday and there is no coverage what so ever about it usually, and when the 3 Israelis were kidnapped they were the headlines of every newspaper at least here in west, Mahmoud Abbas the Palestinian prime minister condemned the kidnapping instantly and while it's still under investigation (we don't know who kidnapped them). The Palestinian teen was filmed when he was kidnapped, and he was burned alive from the outside and the inside according to the autopsy. Did the Natanyaho say anything about it? nope more air strikes on Gaza, and more military wiping was made, heck the cousin of the murdered was savagely attacked by a couple of Israeli soldiers and almost killed (filmed) not only that but he was fined and in under house jail


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: Honeypot on July 07, 2014, 08:54:27 PM
It seems trying to demonize the people whose lands were conveniently stolen and squatted on for almost 2000 years is the in thing to do now.

I don't buy the argument that anyone has a claim to land that their distant ancestors used to own. Yes, ANCIENT Israeli jews were driven out of their lands by powerful conquerors, and that was wrong, but the Palestinians who lived there at the start of the 20th century had no part in it. They were ruled over by the Ottomans, and then by my country's empire who gave huge amounts of their land to Jewish people, many of whom had never set foot in Israel. What really matters is not whose ancestors used to live where 2000 years ago, but who lives where NOW. It is wrong to drive a people out of the homes in which they grew up, no matter what their ancestors did.

The truth is that Israel has repeatedly made border agreements only to break them by building illegal settlements in agreed Palestinian land and defending them with force. Israel is therefore clearly in the wrong when it comes to land issues, and while it's true that Israeli citizens are under threat of violence from terrorists, the Israeli government retaliates to every incident with brutal, disproportionate violence against suspects, their families, and anyone who gets in their way. Israel is the wealthiest, most powerful, and best armed state in the region and is under no realistic existential threat - unlike Palestine.

Want to use history, history will fuck you.

You get dealt what you try to deal, bitch.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: kuroman on July 07, 2014, 09:13:35 PM
It seems trying to demonize the people whose lands were conveniently stolen and squatted on for almost 2000 years is the in thing to do now.

I don't buy the argument that anyone has a claim to land that their distant ancestors used to own. Yes, ANCIENT Israeli jews were driven out of their lands by powerful conquerors, and that was wrong, but the Palestinians who lived there at the start of the 20th century had no part in it. They were ruled over by the Ottomans, and then by my country's empire who gave huge amounts of their land to Jewish people, many of whom had never set foot in Israel. What really matters is not whose ancestors used to live where 2000 years ago, but who lives where NOW. It is wrong to drive a people out of the homes in which they grew up, no matter what their ancestors did.

The truth is that Israel has repeatedly made border agreements only to break them by building illegal settlements in agreed Palestinian land and defending them with force. Israel is therefore clearly in the wrong when it comes to land issues, and while it's true that Israeli citizens are under threat of violence from terrorists, the Israeli government retaliates to every incident with brutal, disproportionate violence against suspects, their families, and anyone who gets in their way. Israel is the wealthiest, most powerful, and best armed state in the region and is under no realistic existential threat - unlike Palestine.

Want to use history, history will fuck you.

You get dealt what you try to deal, bitch.
so much arguments in your post that no one would dare to answer it back.....no seriously chill and try to argument with facts


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: u9y42 on July 07, 2014, 10:48:29 PM
It seems trying to demonize the people whose lands were conveniently stolen and squatted on for almost 2000 years is the in thing to do now.

I don't buy the argument that anyone has a claim to land that their distant ancestors used to own. Yes, ANCIENT Israeli jews were driven out of their lands by powerful conquerors, and that was wrong, but the Palestinians who lived there at the start of the 20th century had no part in it. They were ruled over by the Ottomans, and then by my country's empire who gave huge amounts of their land to Jewish people, many of whom had never set foot in Israel. What really matters is not whose ancestors used to live where 2000 years ago, but who lives where NOW. It is wrong to drive a people out of the homes in which they grew up, no matter what their ancestors did.

The truth is that Israel has repeatedly made border agreements only to break them by building illegal settlements in agreed Palestinian land and defending them with force. Israel is therefore clearly in the wrong when it comes to land issues, and while it's true that Israeli citizens are under threat of violence from terrorists, the Israeli government retaliates to every incident with brutal, disproportionate violence against suspects, their families, and anyone who gets in their way. Israel is the wealthiest, most powerful, and best armed state in the region and is under no realistic existential threat - unlike Palestine.

Want to use history, history will fuck you.

You get dealt what you try to deal, bitch.

So, I guess I was wasting my time yesterday trying to reason with you; you've obviously learned nothing from it, and instead, resort to name calling now...


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: Honeypot on July 08, 2014, 02:43:45 AM
The facts are obvious for any one to see. There is only one faction that is overtly using and distorting 'historical' and 'humanitarian' causes to their racial advantage and stealing land for the last 2000 years and enslaving different people.

Jews deserve a place on this earth to call home. There's a reason why such a small country is the magnate of venture capital and jewel of the middle east while those who outnumber them by hundred fold are too busy killing each other even with all that oil money gold pouring in.

If you don't like the obvious facts stacked up against your case, do not evade them just because they render your position defenseless. I have stated that every case these 'palestinians' can come up with I can point out ten more justifiable reasons why israel is responding with the force it is now.

Considering the kind of racial, cultural hatred jews receive as israelites, they are perfectly responding with good degree of restraint against the threats arrayed against them. Jews have bought and fought for the land of israel that was stolen from them and squatted on by thieves and opportunistic oppressors.

Palestinians are tools at the hands of arabs and other anti jewish racists to destroy israel. I have seen the so-called demonstrations of these 'oppressed' who send little children to mouth off at israeli soldiers while the soldiers themselves show great deal of restraint against provocations. They take israeli wage, live off of israeli jobs, all the while harboring racially motivated aggression against jews.

Do not presume to tell anyone what is true and what constitutes 'reason' - obviously you never try to see it other than from the point of view that helps your so called argument.

You made your bed as thoroughly as any criminals did while taking advantage of the situation. I'd say extermination of the arab world is in order.

DEATH TO MUSLIMS!

DEATH TO THAT BITCH PROPHET CALLED MOHAMMAD!

FUCK OFF RAG HEADS.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: u9y42 on July 08, 2014, 03:23:02 AM
The facts are obvious for any one to see. There is only one faction that is overtly using and distorting 'historical' and 'humanitarian' causes to their racial advantage and stealing land for the last 2000 years and enslaving different people.

Jews deserve a place on this earth to call home. There's a reason why such a small country is the magnate of venture capital and jewel of the middle east while those who outnumber them by hundred fold are too busy killing each other even with all that oil money gold pouring in.

If you don't like the obvious facts stacked up against your case, do not evade them just because they render your position defenseless. I have stated that every case these 'palestinians' can come up with I can point out ten more justifiable reasons why israel is responding with the force it is now.

Considering the kind of racial, cultural hatred jews receive as israelites, they are perfectly responding with good degree of restraint against the threats arrayed against them. Jews have bought and fought for the land of israel that was stolen from them and squatted on by thieves and opportunistic oppressors.

Palestinians are tools at the hands of arabs and other anti jewish racists to destroy israel. I have seen the so-called demonstrations of these 'oppressed' who send little children to mouth off at israeli soldiers while the soldiers themselves show great deal of restraint against provocations. They take israeli wage, live off of israeli jobs, all the while harboring racially motivated aggression against jews.

Do not presume to tell anyone what is true and what constitutes 'reason' - obviously you never try to see it other than from the point of view that helps your so called argument.

You made your bed as thoroughly as any criminals did while taking advantage of the situation. I'd say extermination of the arab world is in order.

DEATH TO MUSLIMS!

DEATH TO THAT BITCH PROPHET CALLED MOHAMMAD!

FUCK OFF RAG HEADS.

Brilliant... then people wonder why Israel is increasingly isolated from the world; if I didn't know better, I'd say you're purposefully trying to worsen Israel's image. I mean, really? Calling for genocide now? ::)


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: Honeypot on July 08, 2014, 03:51:19 AM
The facts are obvious for any one to see. There is only one faction that is overtly using and distorting 'historical' and 'humanitarian' causes to their racial advantage and stealing land for the last 2000 years and enslaving different people.

Jews deserve a place on this earth to call home. There's a reason why such a small country is the magnate of venture capital and jewel of the middle east while those who outnumber them by hundred fold are too busy killing each other even with all that oil money gold pouring in.

If you don't like the obvious facts stacked up against your case, do not evade them just because they render your position defenseless. I have stated that every case these 'palestinians' can come up with I can point out ten more justifiable reasons why israel is responding with the force it is now.

Considering the kind of racial, cultural hatred jews receive as israelites, they are perfectly responding with good degree of restraint against the threats arrayed against them. Jews have bought and fought for the land of israel that was stolen from them and squatted on by thieves and opportunistic oppressors.

Palestinians are tools at the hands of arabs and other anti jewish racists to destroy israel. I have seen the so-called demonstrations of these 'oppressed' who send little children to mouth off at israeli soldiers while the soldiers themselves show great deal of restraint against provocations. They take israeli wage, live off of israeli jobs, all the while harboring racially motivated aggression against jews.

Do not presume to tell anyone what is true and what constitutes 'reason' - obviously you never try to see it other than from the point of view that helps your so called argument.

You made your bed as thoroughly as any criminals did while taking advantage of the situation. I'd say extermination of the arab world is in order.

DEATH TO MUSLIMS!

DEATH TO THAT BITCH PROPHET CALLED MOHAMMAD!

FUCK OFF RAG HEADS.

Brilliant... then people wonder why Israel is increasingly isolated from the world; if I didn't know better, I'd say you're purposefully trying to worsen Israel's image. I mean, really? Calling for genocide now? ::)


What's the matter? Can't take it when someone else dishes it out?


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: Charlie Prime on July 08, 2014, 07:34:09 AM
The facts are obvious for any one to see.

Except for Goy cattle like you.  You deserve to be fleeced.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: ALToids on July 08, 2014, 08:58:12 AM
The facts are obvious for any one to see. There is only one faction that is overtly using and distorting 'historical' and 'humanitarian' causes to their racial advantage and stealing land for the last 2000 years and enslaving different people.

Jews deserve a place on this earth to call home. There's a reason why such a small country is the magnate of venture capital and jewel of the middle east while those who outnumber them by hundred fold are too busy killing each other even with all that oil money gold pouring in.

If you don't like the obvious facts stacked up against your case, do not evade them just because they render your position defenseless. I have stated that every case these 'palestinians' can come up with I can point out ten more justifiable reasons why israel is responding with the force it is now.

Considering the kind of racial, cultural hatred jews receive as israelites, they are perfectly responding with good degree of restraint against the threats arrayed against them. Jews have bought and fought for the land of israel that was stolen from them and squatted on by thieves and opportunistic oppressors.

Palestinians are tools at the hands of arabs and other anti jewish racists to destroy israel. I have seen the so-called demonstrations of these 'oppressed' who send little children to mouth off at israeli soldiers while the soldiers themselves show great deal of restraint against provocations. They take israeli wage, live off of israeli jobs, all the while harboring racially motivated aggression against jews.

Do not presume to tell anyone what is true and what constitutes 'reason' - obviously you never try to see it other than from the point of view that helps your so called argument.

You made your bed as thoroughly as any criminals did while taking advantage of the situation. I'd say extermination of the arab world is in order.

DEATH TO MUSLIMS!

DEATH TO THAT BITCH PROPHET CALLED MOHAMMAD!

FUCK OFF RAG HEADS.

Brilliant... then people wonder why Israel is increasingly isolated from the world; if I didn't know better, I'd say you're purposefully trying to worsen Israel's image. I mean, really? Calling for genocide now? ::)


Calm down, he's releasing his inner jihadist!  It happens to all the people in that area.  The intense heat of the desert causes heat stroke and mental lapses.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: Charlie Prime on July 08, 2014, 10:56:50 AM
It was Jewish scholars who first insisted that retaliation be limited to 'an eye for an eye'. Racial and cultural hatred does not justify the slaughter of civilians in anyone's morality

Wow.  You know absolutely zero about Jewish religion.

I recommend you read some Torah and Talmud.

Anyone who is not Jewish are called Goyim (cattle), ie. sub-humans.  Non-Jews are animals designed by God to serve Jews.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: noviapriani on July 08, 2014, 11:33:20 AM
Probably a revenge killing on a child who happened to be in the wrong place/time.  Let's see what the Israeli justice system is like.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: Charlie Prime on July 09, 2014, 01:29:25 AM
Do you really believe that? My intention in any case was to draw the principle of just and proportionate punishment from ancient Jewish law, not make judgements based on its entirety. As with any body of law, religion or philosophy, we should adopt the good, discard the bad and learn from both.

So you do know how Goyim are to be treated in Jewish law.

You do know the double-standard.

Don't weasel.  It's unbecoming and low.


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: keyscore44 on July 09, 2014, 12:39:37 PM
Children killed in Israeli air raids against Gaza

 - The air assault on Gaza killed more than 30 people including at least eight children. Six children died in an air raid that targeted Hamas activist Odeh Ahmad Mohammad Kaware in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis. A 13-year-old killed on Wednesday was identified as the eighth child victim of the offensive.

 - A senior aid worker in Gaza City said the area's already fragile health system threatens to be overwhelmed. "If it [the offensive] continues for more than a few days there will be a real crisis at hospitals," Fikr Shalltoot, director of programmes for Medical Aid for Palestinians, told the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/09/israel-intercepts-gaza-rockets-heading-for-tel-aviv-live-updates



Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: bitsmichel on July 09, 2014, 07:22:08 PM
Anyone who is not Jewish are called Goyim (cattle), ie. sub-humans.  Non-Jews are animals designed by God to serve Jews.

Do you really believe that?

My intention in any case was to draw the principle of just and proportionate punishment from ancient Jewish law, not make judgements based on its entirety. As with any body of law, religion or philosophy, we should adopt the good, discard the bad and learn from both.

It seems you are right about this term http://www.thefreedictionary.com/goyim (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/goyim)
Never heard of it before;


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: tvbcof on July 09, 2014, 07:40:00 PM

Well, it looks like the yarn spun about how the Khdeir kid was burned alive for being a queer isn't going to fly, though doubtless it will stick with some percentage of the social media crowed.

Further, it looks like it will be politically necessary to do something beyond questioning the murderers and releasing them.  The latest strategy (http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Suspects-in-murder-of-Abu-Khdeir-likely-delinquent-haredi-youth-362043) seems to be to tag the murderers as 'Sephardic Jews.'  This will, I suppose, make it more palatable to the Israeli population when they have to do some jail time.

I asked an Israeli friend one time about the difference between Sephardics and Ashkenazi Jews.  He said with sort of a chuckle that Ashkenazis were intelligent and Sephardics were stupid.  He was a smart guy (as has been the case with 90% of Jews I've ever known) and obviously did not mean it in solid literal way, but the undertone was certainly there.  It will be interesting to see how Israeli society evolves whether they do or don't managed to ethnically cleanse the West Bank and/or Gaza of the actual non-Jews.



Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: u9y42 on July 09, 2014, 07:55:24 PM
Children killed in Israeli air raids against Gaza

 - The air assault on Gaza killed more than 30 people including at least eight children. Six children died in an air raid that targeted Hamas activist Odeh Ahmad Mohammad Kaware in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis. A 13-year-old killed on Wednesday was identified as the eighth child victim of the offensive.

 - A senior aid worker in Gaza City said the area's already fragile health system threatens to be overwhelmed. "If it [the offensive] continues for more than a few days there will be a real crisis at hospitals," Fikr Shalltoot, director of programmes for Medical Aid for Palestinians, told the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/09/israel-intercepts-gaza-rockets-heading-for-tel-aviv-live-updates

And it seems they are considering stepping up the offensive. I guess they don't learn, do they?

I was just now listening to the White House Press Secretary condemn Hamas' rocket fire against Israeli civilians, and express support for the Israeli operation in Gaza, stating they have a right to defend themselves - completely omitting they are "defending" themselves against mostly unarmed Palestinian civilians, while being the occupying power... ::)

What do you guys think about the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement? Do you think it would at least help spread awareness of what is going on, perhaps leading to increased pressure on Israel to move towards a peaceful settlement? Or is that too much to hope for?


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: TECSHARE on July 09, 2014, 08:04:26 PM

Well, it looks like the yarn spun about how the Khdeir kid was burned alive for being a queer isn't going to fly, though doubtless it will stick with some percentage of the social media crowed.

Further, it looks like it will be politically necessary to do something beyond questioning the murderers and releasing them.  The latest strategy (http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Suspects-in-murder-of-Abu-Khdeir-likely-delinquent-haredi-youth-362043) seems to be to tag the murderers as 'Sephardic Jews.'  This will, I suppose, make it more palatable to the Israeli population when they have to do some jail time.

I asked an Israeli friend one time about the difference between Sephardics and Ashkenazi Jews.  He said with sort of a chuckle that Ashkenazis were intelligent and Sephardics were stupid.  He was a smart guy (as has been the case with 90% of Jews I've ever known) and obviously did not mean it in solid literal way, but the undertone was certainly there.  It will be interesting to see how Israeli society evolves whether they do or don't managed to ethnically cleanse the West Bank and/or Gaza of the actual non-Jews.


For all the claims of bloodlines and accusations of antisemitism that Jewish people fling like so many cow pies, this is one of the most telling facts most people are not aware about Judaism. Most Arabs are actually more "Jewish" by blood than modern individuals practicing the Jewish faith. Ancient Jews were Arab. Ashkenasi Jews which compose a large percentage of the modern Jewish population are composed of people from more European descent, and furthermore most Ashkenasi originally converted under threat of death as a survival tactic in violent times. For a group of people who claim a two thousand year old blood right to land as justification for genocide, I find it very telling that most of the people making these claims aren't even Semitic.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/study-finds-no-evidence-of-khazar-origin-for-ashkenazi-jews/2014/02/23/
http://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37821/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: armin22 on July 09, 2014, 08:54:38 PM
Guys, in the end. FUCK JEWS


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: u9y42 on July 09, 2014, 09:23:47 PM
Guys, in the end. FUCK JEWS

That's not really very helpful either; I'd bet most Israelis are as brainwashed as Americans, though in their case, the government can more easily twist the situation to influence their population, given the continuous conflict they're in.

In the end, this whole situation would probably be more easily solved if it wasn't for the US' imperialist mentality, and the profit motive of weapons manufacturers (I guess having live targets for your weapons' demonstrations is a plus for some).


Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: tvbcof on July 09, 2014, 09:47:20 PM
Guys, in the end. FUCK JEWS

That's not really very helpful either; I'd bet most Israelis are as brainwashed as Americans, though in their case, the government can more easily twist the situation to influence their population, given the continuous conflict they're in.

In the end, this whole situation would probably be more easily solved if it wasn't for the US' imperialist mentality, and the profit motive of weapons manufacturers (I guess having live targets for your weapons' demonstrations is a plus for some).


Sure it is.  Do an image search for 'DIME gaza'...but do it on an empty stomach.

DIME stands for Dense_Inert_Metal_Explosive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_Inert_Metal_Explosive).  I'll bet money that a lot of good data about this new class of weapon has come out of the Gaza strip over the last decade or so.  Other experimental ordnance as well from what I read.



Title: Re: Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive by Israeli extremists
Post by: TECSHARE on July 10, 2014, 09:20:16 PM
Cousin of the original victim :/
U.S. Officials Visit Badly-beaten 15-yr Old Palestinian-American; Express ‘Grave Concern’ www.imemc.org/article/68330