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This is a no brainer to me, but would love to hear other people's input.

I sure as hell wouldn't put it past them.
At the same time there is no shortage of organic indigenous Internet trolls that would find their own way here.
I'd guess at this point not likely and later for sure.

Jered

I work for HSBC and I have been told that I would be fired if I did not downplay Bitcoin in every way and detract from its usefulness. My bosses were very clear on that point. They said that even after I was fired, if I used Bitcoin that my life would be "difficult" after.

I'm really scared.

Not sure, but if this is true, then maybe they should get a special label, something sort of similar to the scammer label, but that would distinguish them as biased.

Perhaps a "Troll" label?

people working at banks are not "banking elite", but maybe you already knew that.

Are you retarded?

No, but evidently you are.

No, I think you're full-on retard, of the spergiest kind. Your question was are people paid by the banking elite to detract from Bitcoin, and I admitted that I am paid by the banking elite to detract from Bitcoin, and your response was that people who are paid by banking elite are not banking elite?

Retard.

I hate all these conspiracy theories  >:( 

Sane people often do.

Only daydreaming sociopaths like OP would think that bitcoin is currently important enough for anyone to bother with. We have less volume than Second life's Linden Dollars for Christ's sake.


EDIT: Also, OP touches himself in inappropriate places while reading your posts. Be careful.

No theory, just a question.

Bitcoin attracts people ranging from opportunists looking to score a quick buck, to dreamers and fringe dwellers looking for a magical proof for their delusions. I'm somewhere in the middle. The geniuses like the ones that developed Bitcoin are the worst kind of dreamers. They are the ones that show us that magic does exist, the rest of us just don't understand how it works yet.

I get my check in the mail from Wells Fargo every month! ^_^

The retard is YOU, Matthew, if you think a manager or even a regional HSBC manager qualifies as "banking elite".

High five! 10 bucks says OP is murdered in his sleep by either the freemasons or the banking elite for starting this topic.

No, just trolled by them.

So who would you classify as the banking elite so that I can let them know that their cover is blown?

Come on Matt, you don't give these "banking elite" much credit for intelligence.

If bitcoin truly is a threat, it would need to be stopped early.

I voted no.  Not that they would have any hesitation to do so, but it comes with some risk of being caught, and why bother when we're perfectly capable of trolling ourselves to pieces without their help?

Oh, I give them plenty of credit for intelligence, so much that I am dumbfounded why anyone thinks it would be more than trivial to stop Bitcoin at this point.

Exactly, they wouldn't be running things if they weren't paying attention.

But why would they do it  ???  If they thought bitcoin was a good investment vehicle they would get in on it not try and destroy it thats how capitalism works.  I could see Visa, Mastercard and PayPal making it difficult to buy sell BTC but once/if they smell money there soon get in on the game.  Bitcoin is too small and of the scale its biggest threat is 'Silk Road' growing massively in proportion to the general BTC enconomy and the US/EU trying to outlaw crypto-curriences because of crime?

Tell us sociopathic sperg-- are they following you too?

So... if you think they think bitcoin is NOT a threat, why do you support bitcoin? By that definition, bitcoin is a failure if it doesn't upset the "banker elite" applecart.

HA! He's got you there Matt! I can't wait to hear your non-answer answer to that one!

As I've said before (both in video interviews and on this forum in multiple threads), I support Bitcoin as a replacement for the inferior and immoral Paypal.

Bitcoin will not crumble governments, it is not libertarian, and it is not intended for the average consumer. It is a debt settlement utility and will never be scalable.

I am involved in Bitcoin for the same reason anyone else in the world is involved in new technology-- to learn it, break it, make it better, and if it ever fails completely, move on to build/support a suitable replacement.


Bitcoin isn't a failure yet because it's just barely getting started.

Only someone naive like OP would think that banking elite won't exist after Bitcoin. They'll just use Bitcoin instead of USD.

We can debate all day the reasoning behind Bitcoin from logs of Satoshi himself, argue that it's 'inherently libertarian' etc, but the bottom line is that it's a utility. Just like money, it exists apart from agendas and politics. I use Bitcoin because Paypal is a scam.

People like OP are afraid of Bitcoin growth and classify groups of people as if they were "bad" for Bitcoin. I embrace the growth and welcome every type of people into Bitcoin, just as I would into the USD market. Society doesn't exist around utilities, utilities adapt to society.



What you meant to say, is that you can't wait to hear that you're a sperg who is obsessed with agendas and conspiracy theories and ignorant entirely to the technical limitations and unscalability of Bitcoin? Bitcoin has a purpose in the future, and it's not everyday consumer purchases. That future belongs to Ripple and Open Transactions.

Funny that the only sane response in this thread is entirely overlooked. Handi-Foil Corp. must love this forum because their revenue jumps every time a new topic is posted.

Anyway BTC is more like a commodity than a just a new currency.  Once BTC is stable and established the super rich will just trade it like any other commodity.

Oh Holliday, you're just a tin foil hat wearing nut if you think that "fiat" has anything to do with agenda or politics. Why, the Federal Reserve has nothing to do with politics or agendas, silly rabbit!  ;)

[For the dummies: I'm being sarcastic]

And Bitcoin isn't controlled?

Who is developing it?

If you had a problem with the way it's being developed, would your opinion be heeded?

Can't someone with a small fortune easily manipulate the Bitcoin market and create bubbles?

That's not a "banking elite" problem, that's a "human greed" problem, and it will outlive fiat, long after Bitcoin and any other replacement.



I said money, not fiat money. Don't put words in my mouth brah. I have no misconception that the USD is in fact completely worthless and a scam.

Bitcoin however, is not going to change the world. People will change the world. If Bitcoin replaced every instance of USD right now at this moment, you think people still wouldn't be getting loans, mortgages, charging taxes, fighting the war on drugs, etc? If anything, Bitcoin is going to open the door to the scariest future imaginable-- a future with only one government, only one police, only one currency.

Neither! I'm making money sitting on my ass reading comics.

Ripple?


Word.

So, to recap, the answer was "yes".

And just to correct some of the trolling in this thread, of course Bitcoin is libertarian.  It is a completely voluntary currency.

And Bitcoin would never succeed as simply a less efficient Paypal alternative.  If you really believe that, lol you're an idiot.

If I pay someone to troll this thread can I be banking elite?  I could pay several people (would bitcoins be ok), but some will do it for free anyway.  More realistically, we'd have to pay the bankers because they don't do anything for free (a fee maybe).

Philosophically, I can't think of banking and elite being used properly in the same sentence (a malapropism) like military intelligence.  Otherwise, I assume chaos theory might suggest order coming from the randomness of the mixed views that propagate that the guys across at MasterCard will be unhappy with.

Voted no, but of course there is no way to be sure.  I've seen no particular evidence (unlike, say, 9/11 being a false flag.)

I suspect that the 'banking elite' are actually favorable to Bitcoin as it solve problems they might have to a much greater extent than us plebs here on this forum.  I think it just as likely that the surprisingly favorable mainstream-ish coverage is some sort of (or evidence of) 'elite' interest in Bitcoin (again, in a positive direction.)  Basically it would be a waste of time to dick around with bitcointalk.org, and probably dangerous given that the operators are likely strongly supportive of Bitcoin and would like nothing better than to catch 'manipulators' red-handed.

Seriously? Controlling the banks and the creation of currency is the work of the lower class, right?

If you believe in classes, then you can elevate ordinary people to some exhalated position, but in reality they are just people.  To suggest they are better than you are tells me you need more self esteem.  I give you credit for being able to do things well, and we have seen many people (including leaders of large companies and banks) screw up worse than most people that contribute to this forum.

Also, thank you Holliday for your reply.  Not quite the point I was making - I should have made it clearer.

And in this case I was correctly punished for it.

So, if I paid you in bitcoin, you could troll and I would be "banking elite" (i.e. better than someone else).

I think you're injecting your own meaning for "elite" into this. You said "To suggest they are better than you"...that is not what I mean by "elite" and "lower class". I am using those terms in their usual meaning in regards to finances. Those with control of the monetary system have a shitload more money and resources. They are 'elite' because they own yachts and can pay hundreds of employees. 'Lower class' are people trying to get by with a shitty job.

'Classes' in the modern world SHOULD be determined by ability - the way you are defining them - but that isn't the generally perceived notion.

Ah, so a simple material wealth/power metric.  Maybe I'm being too wishful, but to get things back on track:

I would have thought the "elite" would not deign to lower themselves to the level of bitcoin as it would be easy for them to be dismissive (arrogance or ignorance).  I don't notice an overt bias in the trolling against bitcoin, but then my own bias might filter that out (ref Holliday filtering how he reads things occasionally.)

They "lowered" themselves enough to prosecute a 60 something year old hippie for making silver coins, and bitcoin is more threatening than Liberty Dollar ever was.

Oh, you mean the hippie (Bernard von NotHaus) who ignored Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 of the Constitution of his own country that states that the power to coin money and to regulate the value of it is delegated to Congress, and went ahead and mixed Liberty Dollars into the current money of the United States since 1998 to try to limit reliance on, and to compete with, United States currency, which is illegal?

I love how you think the means justify the ends.

I've read about Liberty Dollars and the crime associated with it, it is hardly comparable.  I am not trying to usurp the legal tender with something I make in a garden shed.

Edit: US justice system != elite bankers

Ahh, so more about your character leaks out Matthew - you really are a sack of shit. Article I, Section 8 doesn't give any EXCLUSIVE right to coin money as money at the time was just silver. There were plenty of private mints producing silver coins throughout the 19th century and not one of them was shut down for violating the Constitution.

oh my GOD. HOW DID YOU FIND THAT. Erase that immediately, it violates my copyright.

My shed leaks, and the power to the garage is pretty poor (plus no network connection).  But your point is nicely expressed.

Did you know loonie is the Canadian dollar?  I don't normally consider myself a duck or crazy.

One of the interesting things mostly forgotten is that many major banks are owned by a distributed group of stock holders.  They might be managed funds, other companies or pension funds, and some of those ultimately pay the retirement income of thousands of people doing "shit" jobs.  Several years back I had shares in a large bank, had some dividend and capital gain and sold them.  They were making $1000/year in fees per customer on average, and I was part owner (so that makes me a scumbag banker).  I have also worked a front counter in a branch for four months before I bailed out of the banking sector because I hated it).

As for FBI or not Secret Service doing the bidding or Corporates, I think that's a little off topic and I thought other agencies would be easier to hire.

Replying to the title only.

I've noticed that I now have many speculation thread with ~90% of people ignored.

I think there are many of big posters who only try to raise their post-count to give appearance having some reputation.

I wouldn't be surprised if some 2000-3000 post account would end up being sold to the highest bidders.

SUBs such as Specu... and off-topic are very prone to non-sense postings.  I have no idea why off topic threads should be tolerated if off-topic post are not.

So Just now, I am committing to a 5BTC bounty to develop the "Ignored by # peoples" feature besides usernames.

Awesome idea. I up the bounty another 5BTC, to 10 BTC. Make a new thread about this please (unless you ignored me too  :'()

Here Matthew, Meta, Feature request thread, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68329.0

hehe for some time yes, I was only ignoring the stupid horse logo, I didn't knew it was you.

I think Banking elite doesn't care about this forum, and never will.  Even if some day they get interested in Bitcoin, it will be because they smelled profit. The "damage" some of us think we do to the system is really non-existent, and system doesn't need to defend itself from us - especially not by trolling the forums.

I am sorry if you got scared; this was not our intention, really.
By "difficult", we meant that you would probably have difficulties finding commerces where you can actually spend your Bitcoins.
There was nothing more than that in that sentence. Really.
BTW, we have been very satisfied with your work so far, and we have absolutely no reason to fire you.
Please relax and keep up with the good work.

sincerely,

Tom W.

Good, sensible comment.

Hah, it's threads like these that make me thankful Bitcoin's code and inner workings are complicated enough for them not to be handled by utter morons.


SPOILERS: HSBC are actually on my payroll and I pay them to pay Matthew to troll Bitcoin, just to troll cryptoanarchysts

Ah, but Clown Cowboy Crypto the Lone Tool was able to start a thread, so obviously this bitcoin tent is big enough to even have parking for Special Needs Users From Colorado.

Banking Elite? Puh-lease. Next you will open up about ZOG and the Freemasons putting secret messages on your fiat. Until banks figure out how to monetize their relationship to bitcoin, bitcoin means nothing to them. If they can wrap a fee around it, they will adopt it, and they will do so with massive subsidies and the full faith and credit and blessings of the bitchmasters in Washington. They don't need to co-opt any techny early adopters.

Lawl.

Is'nt a financial institution a conspiracy having reached its goal ?

"Conspiracy is just another name for coalition."
  - R.A.W.

For all of you mush-headed morons who found your way here from SomethingAwful, I'll just put some documented facts here in a format you can understand:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fed-take-propaganda-schoolroom-will-teach-k-8-12-students-about-constitutionality-fed







http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/st3p4n/fffffffffff.jpg

I'm pretty sure most people are trolling for free.

+1

Op is a newfag.

no.. there is just no way. You are very paranoid man.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Why pay people to be brainless idiots when there are millions and millions of people who will be untiring brainless idiots all day long for free?

Herp derp high-five Joel https://i.imgur.com/PukNN.gif

No, the average bitcoin customer already didn't have a lot of money in "evil fiat currency" to begin with before bitcoin, and the total market capitalization of the entire bitcoin system is smaller than about two hours of trading profits at Goldman Sachs.  Why would they care?  Moreso, with people like me who think most bitcoin embracers are completely nuts to choose this system over putting their assets in a bank, why would they bother?  There are already enough voices of dissent out there.

So..a little over a year later and we have a percentage of how many accounts on here are full of shit. (I say 'accounts' instead of 'people' because many are sockpuppets)

Roughly 60% of the accounts on here are ran by the same old gang of dickheads - we know that now.

Say what!! :o

Not sure where you get 60%.

But I find it funny to peruse the absolutely certain comments from this community as to how absurd is the idea that people are hired to disrupt these forums.  This, in spite of the fact that this kind of activity has by now gone mainstream.  This is an article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks) from the guardian that describes the "sock puppet" phenomenon.

If you are a man, chances are you are a know-it-all.  If you are also a software engineer it is a certainty.

If you have been on the speculation subforum for long you will know it's probably true, other than that some of the FUDers, rather than being paid, may have vested interests in the old system themselves.

e.g., check out this guy here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28488 Why did he show up only after Bitcoin crashes? If he is not interested in Bitcoin at all,  why did he feel it's his business to spread all kinds of "doom and gloom" to the most fervent believers of Bitcoin? Why does his website contain nothing but FUDs? Do you believe he did all this just because he was, like he claimed, concerned that people will lose money to Bitcoin?

Shilling is an industry, you have to see it to believe it.

I doubt they pay people just to troll the forums. I'm sure they have a few people that have keywords on google so that whenever something is made with that topic they get an email about it. Just like any stock trader watching the competition.

The 60% is the 59.7% that voted "no", despite the fact that the government has already admitted that they troll forums.

I don't think people can be that stupid, or that certain, and that leads to the conclusion that those who voted "no" are the gov paid trollers themselves.

Banking elite dont care about bitcoin, they laugh at its price swings over morning coffee.

You are correct. it's value is too unstable to contract, estimate, forecast or pay anyone in, it's too slow to transact and it cannot handle large liquidity exchanges without huge value penalties, so it's limited to small potatoes transactions and really no competition for money.

It is a serious threat to the debit and credit card monopolies though, and a huger still challenge to the central banksters because it endangers the lifeblood of their most treasured deregulated  "credit swap derivatives" loophole.

Standard human behavior is to skip by posts that people find unimportant. They don't actually take time out to block/ignore spammers. We need a hard auto silence switch. Something like 2.5% of all established members ignoring? If you have spent 4 days and 4 hours of your time here to become established, and you are ignoring people, its a serious issue.

WTF then I never got paid! Bankers, please send my bribe to
1NRQEJaepQfaT9jKejaogLJ622V8Z7BsvR
Thanks in advance!

But in all seriousness, yes I can be that stupid. I still fail to grasp why the Illuminati would pay for something they'd get for free anyways.

So I get the ignore system, but without also implementing a secondary authentication this leads to situations like
mine wherein my account was hacked, a hacker posing as me ran around every major thread one Wednesday (7/10),
then when I logged in on Friday I discovered a bunch of people had suddenly ignored me and this prick had bid on
multiple posts in my name which suddenly makes me look like an asshole, all the while I was probably sleeping.

Two form authy seems like it would've made this much less feasible, and I wouldn't have landed on anyones shit list.

Yes, I've upgraded my password.

cryptoanarchist is not a fool. I like the handle and image.

OF COURSE THE ELITE HAVE THEIR HANDLES AND AGENTS IN THIS PLACE!!!!

This forum is the single MOST important forums and places online right now for the banksters and powers that be to try (last gasp) to keep their handle on the monetary controls.

I have no doubt there are people being paid from all sorts of different industries to read and post on this forum.

Not just banking, but other industries as well.

It's the nature of the net.

Trolling ? No.

Spreading some propaganda ? Yes, why not. That is possible.

Why would anyone bother to troll this forum when it is so much easier to contact the NSA and request detailed analysis going back to post no1 ( in triplicate)

No. They really don't care.

Even these bankers try to, they fail if the user(s) use finCEN registered service to.

My place, currently questionable. May some people notice more in future. Usinf FinCEN registered can block some of them as bankers are also FinCEN registered.

Will detract Bitcoin for 10,000 BTC.  ;D ;D ;D

Wouldn't a 'troll' label be great.  People earn it, it would be a great way to save having to read bollocks over and over again...

I would not put some degree of paid activity on behalf of big powerful organisations, corporations or associations. History is riddled with infiltrations into great ideas.  The recent allegations that senor Snowden has revealed before our eyes is the most recent.

The intelligence agencies are definitely 'all in'.

Why wouldn't some of the most powerful corporations in the world?  

100%.  It's messing with their mojo's.  :o

The banking elite doesn't care about this forum.  We are like little gnats buzzing around their heads at worst.   They care about bitcoin in general and want to squash it in its infancy but they don't care about the few people who use this board, so no reason to troll it and post anything.

Lets be honest, they aren't above- Well, I was going to say trolling but the thing is at least to be a troll you have to have some class, if you look at reviews of forex brokers you have constant accusations of price fixing etc. when things haven't gone their way, here in the UK there's this never ending debate on taxing big financial institutions etc. where the financials threaten to leave if they get taxed too much.

I don't think so... in idle conversation with the people who work at my bank I've mentioned bitcoins and they said that it was a good investment. Unless they want me to invest in it because they know it will fail... I really don't think that bitcoins are even that much of a threat to them.

A better question are whether those who moderate this forum are genuinely scammy?

When someone points out that SPV is NOT peer-2-peer and if the 'default recommended client' is switched to SPV Multibit while the Bitcoin sales pitch retains the P2P descriptor it smacks of dishonesty, and has their post deleted by unknown moderators for unknown reasons it does not smell right.  It would be hard to argue that said post was 'off topic.'

Bitcoin is cool, but it has been and continues to be pumped in a highly questionable manner.

 - peer2peer:  Known by informed persons to be largely untrue in the not to distant future, and some people have put a great deal of work into driving the solution in this direction.

 - Anonymous:  Fuck no, particularly in light of Snowden's confirmation of large numbers of network taps and the PRISM family of corp/gov relationships.

 - Deflationary:  Maybe arguable several four-year cycles down the road.   Or not.  It's just code, and when only a handful of people mine and hold the block chain, who knows what they can be convinced to do?

Whatever the case, Bitcoin has been a good speculative bet for me and I have as much hope as ever that it will continue to perform even as it's soul is sucked dry.