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Russian Nuclear Bombers Keep Roaming Closer to U.S. Airspace



http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/08/russian-nuclear-bombers-keep-roaming-closer-to-us-airspace/375791/

The USA is the only country which has used nukes against a civilian population (in 1945). And I have a strong feeling that if anyone is going to use the nukes again, that is going to be the US. (Obama is too much of a pacifist to use nukes, my best bet is Hillary in 2016-20).

President Zero may not be into nukes but he sure is bending over backwards to stoke the Russians flames by belittling their country like he did recently. Raise the stakes so high that all candidates for the upcoming presidency will be trying to out-do each other's rhetoric in how they're going to deal w/ big bad Russia. Hopefully, the people won't be buying it and the media frenzy won't suck them in. :-\

We are, unfortunately, the closest to WW3 that we've ever been.

The crisis is generally regarded as the moment in which the Cold War came closest to turning into a nuclear conflict

Nonsense.  Ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis?  We came very close to WW3 there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

Russian Nuclear Bombers Keep Roaming Closer to U.S. Airspace



http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/08/russian-nuclear-bombers-keep-roaming-closer-to-us-airspace/375791/

The only thing Russia will bomb is its own economy.

Putin doesn't cares about the Russian economy. On the other hand what will happen to the European / American economies once crude hits $250 a barrel? And from where the EU will get half of its natural gas?

I once saw a map of soviet/chinese missile targets in the US by city.

Every major city has at LEAST 100 nukes targeted towards it, some up to 300.

An intersection near me had a missile targeted for it, because it was a "transportation hub".

What mattered was: command hub, transportation/comm hub, military hub, infrastructure.

We will all die if nukes fly.


Then- IT WILL BE THE RISE OF THE APES!!!!!!

Yeah, but
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/US_and_USSR_nuclear_stockpiles.svg/583px-US_and_USSR_nuclear_stockpiles.svg.png

hope no ww3.

Don't you believe it. and yer leavin' the screaming Chinese out of it.

Yeah, but
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/US_and_USSR_nuclear_stockpiles.svg/583px-US_and_USSR_nuclear_stockpiles.svg.png

Regardless of who has more Nukes, either country would be stupid to try to attack the other directly with conventional warfare as it could easily escalate to the mass nuclear war. If one were to nuke the other then we can more or less say goodbye to earth as we know it.

Don't forget radioactive fall-out. Even after a relatively small Chernobyl disaster, there are areas in Russia and France that I know of that had radiological epidemics of cancer, with families losing several of their members to the disease.

Are you trying to say that nuclear contamination from a nuclear bomb or, say 10x of those is not comparable in health consequences to the radiation emitted from a nucler power plant disaster?

I find it hard to believe.

Nonsense.  Ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis?  We came very close to WW3 there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

Are you trying to say that nuclear contamination from a nuclear bomb or, say 10x of those is not comparable in health consequences to the radiation emitted from a nucler power plant disaster? I find it hard to believe.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima were rebuild in less than 5 years after the bombing and people are living there with quite  high life expectancy.

Cernobil on the other side will  not be completely safe for human life for 1000 years or more.

Exactly.

The Russian and American nuclear weapons which are currently active, are much more powerful than the ones which were dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Hiroshima bomb killed people within a 10 sq. km area (around 2,500 acres). But an average Russian / American nuclear weapon (current) can wipe off life from at least 100 sq. km of area. If some one detonates 10,000 nukes, then that will be capable of wiping out life from the entire continental USA + Alaska.

Putin doesn't cares about the Russian economy. On the other hand what will happen to the European / American economies once crude hits $250 a barrel? And from where the EU will get half of its natural gas?

You are overestimating the Chinese. The Chinese Armed Forces might rank #4 or #5 in the world, but as far as the nukes are concerned, they are far behind the superpowers. The reasons are:

1. Not enough high-grade Uranium
2. Technology is not advanced
3. ICBMs are not very capable.

The Russian and American nuclear weapons which are currently active, are much more powerful than the ones which were dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Hiroshima bomb killed people within a 10 sq. km area (around 2,500 acres). But an average Russian / American nuclear weapon (current) can wipe off life from at least 100 sq. km of area. If some one detonates 10,000 nukes, then that will be capable of wiping out life from the entire continental USA + Alaska.

Just glanced to the right at all those other bullshit articles that the wired has posted up, you guys need to bring better sources along, as other people have already claimed, Russia has been putting stuff close to the U.S/Canadian airspace for years, the media are trying to spread panic and force people to make stupid decisions like with Iraq.

If the big pharma groups stop the export of drugs to Russia (85% of the total drugs on the market are imported) will see the Russian population shrink by 10% percent in one year.

Also , what is even funnier is that most of the drilling equipment used by the Russian to dig and process and also transport gas and oil is imported from Holland , Norway and Germany. ;)

Yeah, but they already have that equipment, and if they stop selling gas, they don't really need additional equipment. Also, can i have a source for the drug thing?

Right now, PharmaTimes notes, 85% of Russia's state drug spending goes to foreign-made drugs. In 2011, 93% of the most expensive meds sold in the country were imported. So, moving the needle in the opposite direction will freeze out a lot of foreign-made drug sales.

MOSCOW, August 1 (RIA Novosti) — Russia’s oil giant Rosneft has proposed to the country’s government to amend its corporate purchases law or scrap import duties on drilling equipment in the wake of the recent Western sanctions, a Russian economic daily wrote Friday.

It is not the first time that the issue about imposing of duties on import drill rigs has appeared on the Russian agenda. Not long ago the government concluded that the domestic manufacturer needs protection, and approved import duty rates equal to 5-15% of the customs value of equipment. Later, they were slashed to zero due to demands from the oil-and-gas lobby asserting that home manufacturers do not take into account requirements of drilling companies and do not make user-friendly and efficient drill rigs.
The cancellation of duties gave certain results: now Russian companies are manufacturing drill rigs entirely by customers' specifications, completing them with the components preferred by oil companies. However, another problem came up: being of similar configuration, Russian rigs turned out to be much more expensive than Chinese equipment and just slightly cheaper than German rigs. The reason was not only in annually increasing rates for gas, electricity, gasoline, metal and rail transportation, but also in the Chinese approach to industrial management. Cheap labor, low taxes and costs put Russian manufacturers at a disadvantage.

Russia isn't going to do shit with their Nuclear weapons.

I think this is written for the benefit of the US citizens so that they will let the government to spend more on military rather then on health care :-)

Btw, nuclear bombers, doesn't mean they have nuke's on board  ::)
They do these flights all the time, even over normal grounds, to test the response time of other country fighters.

I think this is something that is very dangerous, and could easily spark an unintentional war. The other country's fighter jets could fire on the bomber, which could fire back in defense, which could potentially escalate.

If countries that are against China, such as USA, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines and many others declare war on China at the same time, they can't really do much. All they can do is ask for help from Russia and North Korea, and escalate it into a WW3, but China will get bombarded anyway.

In case of a China vs US war, Russia is going to remain neutral. At the most, they might announce some token sanctions against the Americans. Every single one of China's neighbors are concerned about the growing military might of China. Russia is no exception.

Russia is also "neutral" in the Ukranian conflict. I think that would also be the case if that were to happen in US vs China.
Also, everyone is concerned except for Kim Jong Un, who is a crazy pig that has no idea what he's doing. And he would side with China.

A full scale war between China and US is not going to happen, as it is the case with Russia, it's even worse with China because both sides will hurt on a large scale economically

I doubt he is a crazy pig that doesn't know what he is doing (as he is portrayed by our medias), in fact what he is doing is pretty rational from a political stand point, hence the only reason why he and his group is in power is because of strong nationalism in the country under the threat of a war with the west and the S.Korea, that's why from time to time you see those kind of baseless acclamations as if he is standing against the US, while in fact N.Korea doesn't stand a chance the real concern with N.Korea is that they could potentially harm S.Korea and maybe Japan.

A full scale war between China and US is not going to happen, as it is the case with Russia, it's even worse with China because both sides will hurt on a large scale economically

I have to agree with you. A China vs US war is just not viable. It will be economically devastating for both the nations. China is one of the biggest holders of the US treasury bonds and US depends on China for a large part of its imports. So unless China is going to invade Japan or South Korea, there is no chance of a US vs China war.

Yup, claiming that he invented hamburgers is a pretty rational thing. Their country is powered by brainwashing, btw.

US won't fight directly, but will supply Japan and Vietnam and others with troops, weapons, and that kind of stuff. No difference.

Hmmm... that is somewhat possible. But if they want to defeat China for sure, then a grand alliance should be formed. All anti-China nations should become part of this alliance. I mean countries such as Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, India (?), Taiwan, and Malaysia (?).

In addition to this, they should create a fifth column within China, comprised of the pro-Democracy individuals and organizations. These people can be used for sabotage and ambushes.

Also, Japan.etc should bribe Russia and make sure that no supply of arms and ammunition are transported to China from Russia. (This is very important, because in normal scenario, Russia will look forward to profit from the war, by selling supplies to both the sides at inflated prices).

And most importantly, all the ICBMs of China should be destroyed in sudden attacks. Else, there is a possibility of the Chinese launching at least some of its 3,000+ nukes towards Tokyo and Seoul.

I thought ICBMs were Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, and I thought they would be launched to countries in other continents, such as NATO countries.

Hmmm... that is somewhat possible. But if they want to defeat China for sure, then a grand alliance should be formed. All anti-China nations should become part of this alliance. I mean countries such as Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, India (?), Taiwan, and Malaysia (?).

In addition to this, they should create a fifth column within China, comprised of the pro-Democracy individuals and organizations. These people can be used for sabotage and ambushes.

Also, Japan.etc should bribe Russia and make sure that no supply of arms and ammunition are transported to China from Russia. (This is very important, because in normal scenario, Russia will look forward to profit from the war, by selling supplies to both the sides at inflated prices).

And most importantly, all the ICBMs of China should be destroyed in sudden attacks. Else, there is a possibility of the Chinese launching at least some of its 3,000+ nukes towards Tokyo and Seoul.

I don't think the next war will be Chemical or even Nuclear.

The age Cyberwarfare is upon us :)

This is just gorilla pound its own chest posture. Every rational person know a war between Russia and US will be the end of human civilization.

3000 nukes...lols. Why not 100 millions?
They don't even have enough plutonium to build more than 300 and you come up with those 90's fear posts?

Can't Uranium be used for Nukes? I have no idea about weapons, but I think Plutonium is sometimes found as a result of Uranium refining and fission, and that it is more powerful than uranium, but can't Uranium simply be used for nukes?

This is just Putin trying to put the frighteners on the Americans, he is always making some kind of threat and never fulfills the threat so in the end the Americans are going to just take his actions as bluffing. I will be very surprised if he does attempt or even succeed in boming America.

Uranium IS used in Atomic(fission) and even Hydrogen bombs (fusion) for that matter, the thing is, you need enriched Uranium as you might know each element has different isotopes, and in the case of uranium for nukes U-235 is needed for it fission properties (U-233 is even better in theory but it has reaction issues), the natural uranium is U-238 (with around 1% of U-235), for a nuke you'll need an enriched Uranium with 90%+ of U-235.

So no uranium can't be used for nukes like that hence the difficulty

And yes Plutonium can be found in nuclear reactor, as when some of the U-238 acquires a neutron during the fission process it's becomes U-239 which decays to Pu-239, and Plutonium is even better than Uranium in the aspect that the critical mass needed for an A bomb is way lower than the one needed with Uranium, but again the amount of Plutonium needed is in dozens of kgs, and you need over 94% of Pu-239 (which is the highly fissile isotopes of Pu)

As for China, they have no problem producing either, and they already have a good stock of Hydrogen bombs (Fission-fusion) and A-bombs (Fission)

No, that's American Main Stream Media, frightening Americans with Putin, all the while preparing Bill 2277, which will open op for US invasion of Russia, using the previously-mentioned "fright" as a pretext..

As far as I know, that is correct, and it is what I assumed. Japan also (I suspect) have a ton of enriched Plutonium, acquired from its many nuclear power plants. Also, if we can get enough Uranium for Reactors, wouldn't it be a lot more than enough for bombs too?

As for China, they have no problem producing either, and they already have a good stock of Hydrogen bombs (Fission-fusion) and A-bombs (Fission)

Yes. They are hiding their nukes in underground tunnels. More than 3,000 nukes are similarly hidden in China.

China 'hiding up to 3,000 nuclear warheads in secret tunnels'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8927580/China-hiding-up-to-3000-nuclear-warheads-in-secret-tunnels.html

But their missiles are not as good as the Russian / American ones and they don't have advanced submarines which are capable of launching SLBMs.

Russia isn't going to do shit with their Nuclear weapons.

crazy times. US and EU are creeping into russian territory and media says, that its the fault of russia.

history repeats itself.

There are two huge problem with Plutonium acquired from energy nuclear reactors, one is that it is bound to other elements, and two you'll have not only Pu 239 but also 238 240 and 241, and that Pu-240 is highly fissile and would simply cause a bomb to pre-detonate and fizzle.

Also Japans Nuclear waste and circuit is controlled by the IAEA like in any other country, that doesn't mean that Japan cannot built a nuclear bomb within a couple of year, but that would against the non proliferation agreement and also the peace treaty they signed with the US. It's almost impossible for any country to acquire nuclear weapons, unless the country is willing to pay the price as North Korea

crazy times. US and EU are creeping into russian territory and media says, that its the fault of russia.

history repeats itself.

Yes. They are hiding their nukes in underground tunnels. More than 3,000 nukes are similarly hidden in China.

China 'hiding up to 3,000 nuclear warheads in secret tunnels'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8927580/China-hiding-up-to-3000-nuclear-warheads-in-secret-tunnels.html

But their missiles are not as good as the Russian / American ones and they don't have advanced submarines which are capable of launching SLBMs.

I would not be surprised if most countries that have nuclear weapons have many more nukes then they publicly admit and what they agreed to. I don't think this is something unique to china.

The Grand Chessboard:
===============

 The Grand Prize is Russia's vast amounts of Natural Resources and precious minerals.

 Thus the western rulers must destabilize and dethrone Russia's World Class, Strong-Arm,
Authoritarian Leader (Putin) to gain control of that bounty of resources.

 So yes, nothing is off the table, of either side.

 It's pure insanity driven by the demand to control ALL the worlds dwindling natural resources
and plunder them of course too.

 Full Spectrum Dominance of the Entire World is in play today.

 N-Day may be extremely close at hand.

I would not be surprised if most countries that have nuclear weapons have many more nukes then they publicly admit and what they agreed to. I don't think this is something unique to china.

In my honest opinion, the only BOMB Russia will drop,

will be a BROWN one in their adult diapers.

With all the onions, garlic and cabbage in their diet, I want ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with that. >:(

Countries like Israel should also be encouraged to to disclose their number of nuclear weapons, aswell as signing up for the NPT. No doubt most countries overestimate their number of nukes, partly because its become a global dick waving contest.

Duh, we've been doing that for ages, maybe since the internet existed. Damage isn't really that major, unless you can cripple an entire country's computers, but you can probably do that by firing an EMP from space.

OK, can you answer the part about the Uranium then? Also, in times of war, who the heck cares about agreements? Things can be done in secret.

In my honest opinion, the only BOMB Russia will drop,

will be a BROWN one in their adult diapers.

With all the onions, garlic and cabbage in their diet, I want ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with that. >:(

Russian Nuclear Bombers Keep Roaming Closer to U.S. Airspace



http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/08/russian-nuclear-bombers-keep-roaming-closer-to-us-airspace/375791/

Don't be so sure, they have the most powerful nuclear bomb and the most powerful non nuclear bomb. If this explodes near you at least you will feel no pain you will only see a flash of light and your offline.

Didn't I do in previous post? Yes Japan gets it's Uranium from other countries such as France (Areva), while the Uranium ore is produced in countries such as Kazakhestan or Niger, the countries that does the enrichment necessary for it to be useful in nuclear power plants are France, Germany, Netherlands, UK, USA, and Russia with France being the leader in this domain to my knowledge. Japan gets it's Uranium from these countries, and the whole circuit from production to delivery is controlled as enriched Uranium is no joke. Usually it's 5% enrichement for Commercial Uranium, and the maximum allowed with AIAE is 20% for medical use

THis happens on a regular basis. all countries do this to eachother, for example iran sent a warship towards the united states recently. it is training exercise and a type of reconnaissance that they do. i wouldnt worry about it if they ever got into our air space they would just get shot down before they could do anything. the fighter jets that are sent up to intercept them are capable of blowing a bomb out of the sky or shooting down a rocket.

Bah, they can simply make up a number, and release photoshopped images of them. Done, no proof needed, just a big fake dick, lol.

Countries like Israel should also be encouraged to to disclose their number of nuclear weapons, aswell as signing up for the NPT. No doubt most countries overestimate their number of nukes, partly because its become a global dick waving contest.

Israel will not allow any outsider to inspect their nuke stockpile. Not even the Americans will be permitted anywhere near the nukes (although they had bought these weapons from the US). But at the same time, they have no issues in asking DPRK and Iran to get their nukes inspected by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Israel will not allow any outsider to inspect their nuke stockpile. Not even the Americans will be permitted anywhere near the nukes (although they had bought these weapons from the US). But at the same time, they have no issues in asking DPRK and Iran to get their nukes inspected by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Can't they still further enrich it once they are delivered to japan?
Also, what medical applications does Uranium have?

No they can't, for the simple reason, that you need a huge amount of uranium to get a certain amount of enrished one, not to mention the Nuclear reactor fulls has many other components additive, that makes it really hard to get weapon grade uranium

There are two huge problem with Plutonium acquired from energy nuclear reactors, one is that it is bound to other elements, and two you'll have not only Pu 239 but also 238 240 and 241, and that Pu-240 is highly fissile and would simply cause a bomb to pre-detonate and fizzle.

Also Japans Nuclear waste and circuit is controlled by the IAEA like in any other country, that doesn't mean that Japan cannot built a nuclear bomb within a couple of year, but that would against the non proliferation agreement and also the peace treaty they signed with the US. It's almost impossible for any country to acquire nuclear weapons, unless the country is willing to pay the price as North Korea

Getting the plutonium necessary to construct a nuke is *much* easier to get than uranium.  Building the nuke, however, is insanely complicated.

Access to uranium = very hard; construction = very easy
Access to plutonium = fairly easy; construction = insanely hard

crazy times. US and EU are creeping into russian territory and media says, that its the fault of russia.

history repeats itself.

Israel will not allow any outsider to inspect their nuke stockpile. Not even the Americans will be permitted anywhere near the nukes (although they had bought these weapons from the US). But at the same time, they have no issues in asking DPRK and Iran to get their nukes inspected by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Putin is just acting like Kim Jong-il, he's full of false treats, he is trying to see if someone will fall for his lies.

Sorry but I can't stop laugh, so much conclusions from just one minor event.  ;D ;D

It seems that you have given too much importance for such kind of planned flights. In case if you didn't notice, each side does this since 1960s.

Russia will get raped by the US. US has the strongest Navy in the world, Russia's airforce is a joke, and US has twice the amount of Tanks.

Russian Nuclear Bombers Keep Roaming Closer to U.S. Airspace



http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/08/russian-nuclear-bombers-keep-roaming-closer-to-us-airspace/375791/

What did I tell you  ;D

Vladimir Putin Threatens World War 3, Says Russia Could Invade Europe Within Two Days                 
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1484957/vladimir-putin-threatens-world-war-3-says-russia-could-invade-europe-within-two-days/#qXYRKL6i7DlYj1HR.99

http://www.inquisitr.com/1484957/vladimir-putin-threatens-world-war-3-says-russia-could-invade-europe-within-two-days/

and US has twice the amount of Tanks

Hmm, I would say that access to plutonium is also insanely hard, as it implies that you already have a local nuclear reactor and reprocessing facilities.

The hard part about getting uranium is probably just the logistics of disguising your mining operation as a desalination plant, or some other type of metal mine. And then exporting the semi-manufactured product to a reputable-sounding customer.

Russian Nuclear Bombers Keep Roaming Closer to U.S. Airspace

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/08/russian-nuclear-bombers-keep-roaming-closer-to-us-airspace/375791/

Russia will get raped by the US. US has the strongest Navy in the world, Russia's airforce is a joke, and US has twice the amount of Tanks.