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Whats the newest and/or best info supporting the claim that BTC is NSA or CIA created/supported etc.

The best ones according to me, so far (none of them are conclusive) are these:

1) The fact that there is a "leaked" (unclassified i dont know) document about electronic currency similiar to bitcoin written  in 1996 by scientists connected to NSA, so the nsa was at least aware of the concept.
2) Satoshi DORIAN Nakamoto (according to his daughter and brother) (if the news article didnt make the statements up) used to work with goverment on clasified projects and was quite paranoid of government (so he had to know something about whats going around)
3) The newsweek or what magazine article claimed that Dorian Nakamoto told the reporter that he isnt connected to BTC anymore (implying he worked on it before), the statement was later denounced as mistunderstanding, but everybody can lie... The original statement ("Im not connected to it anymore" (or something like that) was on the other hand "verified" by the police officer who was with the reporter (but who will verife that he isnt lying, doesnt remember it correctly etc.)
4) There were 2 algorithms that could be used to "encrypt" btc, one was most used the other one wasnt used practically at all and nobody knows why nakamoto used the second one (the almost not used encryption algorithm), then it came out, that in the 1st algorithm there was a backdoor (or something) so its good Nakamoto used the other one, but that might also imply that he was aware of the backdoor in the first one, which might imply he was some NSA connected guy.  (i dont understand the programmign behind bitcoin at all, im not a programmer so i might be misinformed on this one)

and maybe the fact that


also there is some front CIA bussined company which has some links to BTc i think, IQ Tell or something like this.


Are these all the "biggest" clues, or are there some new?

It would be nice to see how would those agencies respond to your post.  ;D

Plenty of people have claimed to be Satoshi. Just because someone says they are doesn't mean they are. There is no evidence watsoever that Dorian is Satoshi, just speculation and opinion of a journalist working for a news agency that recently had a massive relaunch and is no stranger to controversy. Show me PROOF it is him and I'll believe it then.

The idea of a currency similar to bitcoin has been considered the "holy grail" of cryptography since forever. Currencies that are somewhat similar to bitcoin have been used in examples when discussing cryptographic principles and there have been MANY attempts to make something similar. There have been people discussing things similar to bitcoin before that NSA paper - in fact David Chaum launched a centralized cryptocurrency similar to bitcoin around the same time as that. Additionally the NSA paper never talks about a decentralized currency at all.

About the algorithms bit you are CLEARLY confused. Bitcoins are not "encrypted". What I THINK you are referring to is that bitcoin addresses are calculated from the hash of the ECDSA pubkey which mitigates against attacks by quantum computers. Noone has actually built a real working quantum computer yet, they only exist in theory right now, and there was no backdoor in anything. Satoshi accidentally or intentionally made us secure against a theoretical attack is all.

here is the newsweeks research and how they found dorian (but not the bitcoin creator)

"hey guys who has a phonebook i need to find someone called S. nakamoto"

end of

Mikcik, if that is the best you have, then you have nothing.

no, thats FUD made by a sockpuppet.


dorian was not a C++ coder or knew of encryption. he was, in simple terms a network 'cable guy'.


the quote was "i am not involved with bitcoM" - dorian didnt even know what bitcoin was about in so much he thought it was called bitcom due to not hearing the question asked of him.


if you follow this very forums old posts of 2009-10 you would know that K1 was chosen over R1 because its more efficient. that is the reason it was chosen, so no need to speculate the reason. its clearly been defined.

maybe its worth you doing proper research rather then being spoon fed FUD from a sock puppet


now your grasping at straws

CIA/NSA - secret project - more likely to be some like Symantec, Apple, Windows, Google, Facebook and many more closed source
BTC - open source - no secret

Yeah but that wouldn't stop it from being a project started by a closed source company. Even though I highly doubt that Bitcoin was started by any secret agency, it being open source is in no way a proof that they didn't invent it!

The topic is just begging for confirmation bias.

I don't think they will respond to the OP one way or another. They very rarely comment on these kinds of issues/rumors.

Exactly!

For all you others who seem to be somehow hurt by my post, i said i think/belive it was started, im not advocating it, just asking if there is some other more "reliable" information about the topic , you didnt provide any, but whats worse, you didnt provide even any information against the one i mentioned, which is quite funny. I was just asking if there is any other information regarding this THEORY, thats all, no need to feel hurt on your side :-).

Thanks quite for the clarification about the bitcoin encryption algorithm, and yes, for that one poster, i belive bitcoin is encrypted, saying otherwise is stupid.

About Dorian i didnt say its DEFFINITELLY him, just mentioning few things he said, and I belive his response really was "im not involded with that anymore", if it isnt misinformation.

So simply put, there arent any more or less credible infos about the possibility NSA created BTC?

BTC could help increase the profits of the above companies by providing them an alternate way to get paid for their products.

Like BTC transactions, it is very difficult to reverse a shipment of a phone once the buyer has received it.

None of these companies are using BTC as far as I'm aware of. and.. why would it have been made by an american secret service, if at all. It could be the chinese secret service - as away to get more money into china. But.. I think the main motivation has been to provide the people with more freedom

Another topic? This is getting old.. speculation about thin air.

Stopped reading when I saw these two words next to each other:

-Newsweek
-Research

Thanks for the laugh, OP.

aww you missed the sarcastic joke about the lack of research




ok lets drive these conspiracy theorists nuts...
so FEMA/CDC brings ebola patients to georgia.. yea of all places georgia. but guess what FEMA/CDC were preparing as far back as 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAoteD-J9eA

now all you conspiracy theorists. please take your comments to conspiracy websites now that you have something non bitcoin related to worry your little minds about

have a nice day

OK rather than starting a new topic (I don't agree with all of OP's assertions), lets just address some of the issues in question here.

Bitcoin Suspected to Be NSA or CIA Project (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-suspected-be-nsa-cia-project-1460439)
By Jerin Mathew
August 9, 2014 09:07 BST

...The team added that Bitcoin Forum, a bitcoin community where Nakamoto used to communicate, usually removes posts connecting bitcoin with CIA.

OK not true obviously. A simple forum search returns hundreds of references to the CIA going back to 2011.

It noted that a recent WikiLeaks document exposed the NSA's connection with the program used by most cryptocurrencies.

Does anybody know what this document is? Would the government shoot themselves in the foot by accidentally creating a means of safe donations to WikiLeaks? Could the new conspiracy be that the government created bitcoin in order to attempt to track WikiLeaks donors and spenders?

Actually I doubt it because the total donations to the WikiLeaks BTC address is only 3,859.65. At ~$2.2 M its not exactly an international headlines-type number.

I call FUD on this one.

Please stop trolling.

I did peruse WikiLeaks trying to find some ominous connection between BTC and the NSA, but the most interesting thing I could find was a BTCtalk member asking Stratfor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratfor) about their opinion on bitcoin (https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/10/1030963_-analytical-and-intelligence-comments-couple-questions-.html).

Satoshi seems to recoil at the idea of bitcoin being used for WikiLeaks donations:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2216.msg29280#msg29280

This was his second-to-last post, and it was perhaps this article that threw him off from wanting to post here any further:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/213230/could_wikileaks_scandal_lead_to_new_virtual_currency.html

I find this to be genuinely interesting.

+1 LOL

For the OP: I would find it very unlikely that the CIA and/or the NSA was behind bitcoin. They would gain nothing by creating BTC, and would create a number of headaches that they are dealing with that are BTC and crypto related.

Well if you did ever belive in this coffins, then as you said, one has to pitty you, because you would have to be dumb :-(.

Wow guys, just wow, go to your mainstream media again to tell you what to think, because obviously you are afraid just to THINK about the POSSIBILITY of existence of an alternative.

What would the USA gov. had to gain by creating bitcoin? There are several things, i have written them even down here few months ago.

Most of the US gov. would be incapable of creating something like bitcoin. The CIA is lacking in technical skills, so they always ask others (NSA, Google) for help.

If it was made by Google, they would think of a way to profit from it, not give it out freely. As for the NSA, they would have made it in C#  :D

Are you asking whats the latest re CIA or are you trying to say this crap your spinning is the latest?

If Bitcoin was NSA's job I do think I do think USA and other countries would do much more things in favor of Bitcoin.

I created it!

There no more mystery  :)

This is not news, but mining with SHA-256 can help FBI/CIA to decrypt password
i think it's possible, because they think they can get free hashing to decrypt password  ;D

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/8531/u-s-air-force-building-bitcoin-payment-gateway/

http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/GZ4O1ufDXGjqJyuTbvLjQssvMjoAzZNL1k6oIeaAMhyA5l2GTGsj0ywozeiaHdfwlg4NC6UmnJcqeX0AhVYEJImhSIzk6pOPDR-PkoraNlCfjby-9M5QuggeTw

The CIA is very capable of creating things. I think they would be capable of doing so, but as I said above they would have very little to gain from it. It was said above that they would use the hashpower to steal passwords, but the CIA has much easier ways to steal passwords. They are also not in need of needing "free" hashpower as they will get more or less as big of a budget as they need.

It's definitely possible but there is no proof, so...conjecture can only go so far before it gets annoying as fuck.

I don't think there is any real solid info supporting this to begin with.   It is a nice conspiracy theory, given that there has been talk of the New World Order trying to come up with a one world currency for years....but that is pretty much as far as it goes, unless I am really missing something?

I think it has to do with that Alex guy who recently endorsed bitcoin. He is more or less a nut job who likely wears a tin foil hat most of the time, but has a relatively strong following.