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Here is the original post of crimealone  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754138.0

Admins, we(ClusterCoin community) need you give us the IP or login history to check these 3 accounts.

Essex343 (ClusterCoin Dev) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133160 - Registered: June 26, 2013, 01:19:56 PM
No posts between January 19 to May 22

ShameOnYou (UseCoin Dev) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131712 - Registered: June 21, 2013, 03:11:11 PM
No posts between December 10 to May 21

HarryT1923 (CrystalCoin Dev) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=132636 - Registered: June 24, 2013, 03:28:58 PM
No posts between December 10 to May 25

You're wasting your time. Get a warrant.

are you admin? Because if we have a proof which can show 3 account are logged from one IP, CLUSTERCOIN ico investors can get a 350btc refund from bittrex.

Theymos will not release their data without a warrant. I've tried before.

If you want IPs, get a legal request for information, such as a court order. It's best to have a "chain of custody" so to speak when it comes to things like this. If we handed out IPs to any random who asked, and violence of some sort ended up happening, then we would be on the hook if we couldn't show a paper trail of who requested the information. If you are on the up and up and don't plan on doing anything illegal, then there shouldn't be any problems with this. Court orders (which, again, are just a legal request for information) are standard when requesting information from third parties.

but we need find proofs to show they are the same scammer, or bittrex may not refund 350 btc to ICO investors, we are fucked by CLUSTERCOIN ico, constant dump after ICO and many possible proofs show they 3 are the same person, it is 350 btc, a big amount of money. If we don't have the proof, I am afraid bittrex won't refund us, we investors will be victims.

Is it possible to get our money back from Bittrex? :-[

I don't know, you can share your views in IRC. We are trying to let bittrex refund, this shit coin fucks every ICO investors.

bittrex escrow this coin, many ppl are scammed. Bittrex should refund to protect ICO investors.

You are right. Forum won't help you much in this. I don't think bittrex will give full refund. They might give half the amount. Have you made a support ticket or contact them about this. Atleast, have you verified that bittrex is the escrower? I don't think so, that's why I asked. :)

~~MZ~~

Thank you for your effort :)

they seems blame investors, but not the scammers, disappointed.

Yep! Look at this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737636.msg8479518#msg8479518

Crying after panic buying  ::)

Thanks for the response BadBear, would you be able to tell us if the accounts in question have overlapping log ins from the same IP?  That would answer the question without disclosing any information that could cause you legal or ethical problems.  There is a considerable amount of BTC riding on this decision, any help you can render would be greatly appreciated.

R.

hi, BadBear, are you there? Plz help us

fox is a sneaky bastard..... He deleted his post in clstr thread that he panic bought

so what? I bought scam, so you blame me not the scammers?

Yes, you are to blame for falling for a scam.  You knew better.    It's called greed and visions of dancing  sugar plum fairies sprinkling vast riches upon you for "getting in early" polluted your mind.
The fairy sprinkled scammers instead, who are at fault too.  You both are guilty.
What you don't understand is responsibility: no one is gonna bail you out here.  Stop whining and go get a court order.  If you are old enough go see a court clerk and file pro se, if not ask your parent to help.

many investors are scammed, it is escrowed by bittrex, so bittrex request proofs to know that IP. Sorry, I know I was wrong, plz help us because we are helpless

You have been told what to do.  Go do it.

Yes they do, though they are shared with many accounts, so it's likely either an unknown proxy/vpn or bought accounts.

For additional context: (edited quote for clarity)

I have been using VPN service for a while now, atm I am using purevpn.com. I have no clue who that usecoin dev is and when and how our IPs overlapped.

All three accounts (Essex343, ShameOnYou, HarryT1923) posted in threads like What Do Philosophers Do? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683158.0;all) and Do You smoke? tobacco/weed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=640564.0;all).
All three accounts started IPOs lately without having created a coin before. When You go through the posts You can see, that the post count was raised artificially probably to gain more BTC for signatures.
There are tons of simular accounts in these threads.

My conclusion is:
You bought some of these accounts to start IPOs.
Usecoin (ShameOnYou) is a proven scam, CrystalCoin (HarryT1923) sees no more action after BTC was collected and ClusterCoin got nothing, but a badly cloned code.

because you are the same scam!

Tks very much, you will save several hundreds of victims.

Please check this thread!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683158.20
In this thread, you would find two confirmed ico scam dev-USE AND CRYSTAL. One possible scam dev-cluster.
And several other accounts in the same pattern. They are all created, stopped posting and are active again in the same period.

They all posted in the same giveaway thread, talked about nothing about altcoin and technique and then suddenly created an altcoin!!


Bittrex said:
* 3 accounts created in a one month period (how many accounts were created during the bitcoin hype period?)
* said accounts were part of giveaway threads (how many accounts were part of the giveaways?)

Not just created in a one month period. How many accounts were created in that period, stopped posting in December 2013 and then active again in May 2014??
How many accounts were part of giveaways and also devs of ico coins? And what's the possibility of three ico devs(two of them are confirmed scammers) appeared in the same thread and talked about philosophy? Let alone only several people were in this thread and there were at least another three accounts in the same pattern.

It's called doing the right thing.
If the Bittrex support team smells a scam, they will do the right thing, and return the money of their customers. See, the thing is this. You are saying that Bittrex's intentions to not execute a deal- if they smell the deal is backed by illegitimate intentions by the other party- is a bad thing?

If the ClusterCoin developer is a scammer, that means that the developer of ClusterCoin won't honor his deal he promised his ICO investors- all those features. So what is stopping Bittrex from not honoring a deal also- when they have evidence that the ClusterCoin developer is a scammer? Last I heard, Bittrex does not deal with scammers. If they realize that they are hosting an ICO for a scammer, they have EVERY RIGHT to cancel the deal.

To the dev of ClusterCoin; if you are a man with legitimate intentions, I am sorry for the position you are currently in. These times are hard on altcoin developers, as a lot of promises remain unfulfilled, leaving investors in the dust. But, when you deliver results, all FUD will vanish, and you will have a very strong community behind you :) BUT, if you are a scammer, here are my words for you: Karma will get you.

totally right

I'm glad to see bittrex acting to protect its users. Keep this good work Richie

+1

I do believe that IF some substantial evidence is produced to bittrex clearly out lining that CLSTR is the same person as USE and it could be used to prevent legal action against bittrex then and ONLY THEN is it possible for bittrex to void the terms and conditions set out for the ICO.

At this point in time all agreements have been met and there is no substantial evidence to prove otherwise.

i think any dev making outright lies needs to be outed at the least.

crypto is not some elite liberal paradise where you can go around fucking people over for personal benefit.

ha.

I was looking at Cluster Coin before ICO and I looked through Essex's posts starting from his first post
way back in the start when he first registered. The things he posted and where and what
he wrote made zero sense in relation to the coin ICO postings. I mean seriously go look right now...

What I am saying is I did my research and knew it was likely a very poor idea to buy that coin
and I didn't buy it based on what I learned from simply spending 10 minutes going through his post
history and trying to match anything from his older posts to his ICO posts.

His account was likely purchased. It's not certain but likely.
It sure appears that way to me at least.

Just my two satoshi.
I do this every day ---- Research.
A little will go a long way.

Let me get this straight,

**all three accounts were created in the same week:
https://i.imgur.com/u5SAoc4.png

**all three stopped posting at the same week (two of them at the same day and time):

ShameOnYou
https://i.imgur.com/iEktyFI.png

Essex343
https://i.imgur.com/HqITCFH.png

HarryT1923
https://i.imgur.com/3lCjqkG.png

**all three shared the same IP at some point. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=754271.msg8516705#msg8516705

**all three posted in the same threads many times.


Clearly those accounts somehow connected (either those are 2/3 or more users or even one user) and they are NOT typical user accounts

All three released some coin lately while 2 of them turned out to be scam (right?)

If that info alone isn't enough to raise a red flag for Cluster (their biggest profit?) then please, release the funds of 350BTC to Essex343 and get it over with.

It is a very interesting situation bitterex is in, and the community I see. People praising anonymous unregulated decentralized currency, but when they gamble and think they got scammed some members have been expecting and demanding regulation, accountability, and personal information. I think some precedents might be set here. If I was bitterex admin I would have demanded way more from dev to protect myself. Very risky escrow/investment type thing this ICO

Not real sure whats going on here and not sure whats a IPO coin?  These are the coins you have to buy upfront correct?  If so does anybody remember getting physical letters in the mail saying if you send me $1 then once 25 people also send me $1 I will send $2????  So if im thinking along the correct lines people bought in these coins, now their worth crap and the escrow is giving all the money to some dev?  Enlighten me....

I think it all started after the ICO. People noticed the strange evidence and started selling. *correct me if i'm wrong.

This guy keeps deleting every single post even when I asked for an update several times he just deletes the post:


This stinks of scam.

yes, but bittrex still doesn't admit these. bittrex is afraid being sue, although they did informal agreement.

That's just a matter of perspective too. Some would disagree with your view.



The escrow is there to ensure a service/product is delivered before the money is released to the provider. If Bittrex willingly release those funds knowing full well that the product/service won't be delivered then they have failed in their escrow duty. No?

Bittrex has to follow TO THE LETTER the terms of the escrow agreement.

They simply look at the agreement, then look at if that agreement was met.

IF the terms are met, they release the BTC to the dev

IF the terms are not met, they dont

IT IS THAT SIMPLE

I am so sick of people asking/expecting Bittrex to just break the agreement because this Cluster dev because it looks like he is a scammer.

Bittrex has a job to do. Their job is to follow the agreement TO THE LETTER.

I lost, or Im pretty sure that I'm going to lose a decent amount of BTC because of this.

But I would be and idiot if I expected Bittrex to commit a god damn felony and break the terms of the the agreement to save my ass.

ALL I had to do was look up the post history of the cluster coin dev and I would have known right then and there that it was a scam.

I DIDNT = I LOSE

It was my carelessness that caused me to lose my BTC. I don't even blame the damn dev, yeah hes an ass hole, but it was me who was lazy and I learned an expensive lesson on this one.

You people who are asking Bittrex to break the law to save your ass because you didn't do your due diligence are complete idiots.

They claimed the terms are informal. And they were agreed to modify the terms to add POD must be done. Therefore, they can help us more like adding more strict terms to avoid a scam because they can talk with the scam dev. BTW, if it is a scam, bittrex will also take responsibilities because they host the ICO

Bittrex's responsibility is to uphold their terms and conditions of the ICO (Wallet, Blockchain and Blockexplorer) which have been met... that is all

If bittrex refund everyone after all the ICO terms are met then they are legally liable.

If it is a scam and bittrex send the devs the btc then they are NOT liable because the ICO terms that ALL parties agreed to have been met. YOU AGREED TO THESE TERMS WHEN YOU BOUGHT CLSTR

But if POD have a low score bittrex will pay scamdev anyway? Bad to Bittrex

And in another way if POD have a high score and dev is a scam nobody will believe in Crypto Asian POD more... (Bad for POD)

A warrant is useless. IP's are useless (https://www.torproject.org/).

BitcoinEXpress is showing himself what a rat he is

He ruthlessly attacked the Auroracoin dev and forked it based on his own OPINION it was a scam and now is playing the "oh we can't do this, this is unthinkable..." card.

TKS, we get a refund

why u asking for scammers. scammers gonna scam. u cant find em.

This all link to Shimal H and Wulfcastle ie the same person, the Simpson id was the giveaway.


The same scammer is involved in Burstcoin and Crypti, you fools need to go there.

The following is Bittrex's announcement regarding to this incident.
https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203127460-ClusterCoin-Doing-the-Right-Thing


Since the problem is solved now, may be OP should lock this thread. :)