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I saw a news article about his website raising funds for his legal defense  http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/George-Zimmerman-Getting-Website-for-Defense-in-Trayvon-Martin-Shooting-146418425.html

Just like WikiLeaks and other people the System wants to slam he is accepting donations, I think this would be a great case for making a donation with bitcoins for his legal defense, his website with a contact form is at http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com and or you can use the other methods he lists to donate.

Thanks.

There had been some donations of one cent ($0.01) from people thinking that the donation through PayPal would trigger a $0.30 fee and then Zimmerman would lose money.  PayPal's fees don't work that way .. the fee is the lesser of amount paid or $0.30, whichever is lower.  So all those donations less than or equal to $0.30 go straight to PayPal's revenue from fees.

And this post (mine) is where this thread starts gaining traction.

I've read several articles on this case, and I've been leaning toward the side of Trayvon Martin. There's a heck of a lot of people in his court (rest his sole) that have the potential of seeing a FirstBit of 1Trayvon..............a4cV if a Bitcoin donation site were established and such a vanity address created.

Bitcoins for Trayvon

or

Bitcoins 4 Trayvon

~Bruno~

I wonder how long it will be before we see therealtrayvonmartin.com?

http://images.starpulse.com/news/bloggers/10/blog_images/trayvon-martin-people-magazine.jpg

Good point, Andrew.

Regardless which side bitcoiners take in this case, it may shine a bad light on Bitcoin if the wrong side were chosen.

~Bruno~

I'll wait for the investigative process and the grand jury. One possible outcome is that the whole thing is just a really unfortunate screw up, such things do happen.

So, just for fun, who else here besides me has ever used a firearm in self defense in a civillian context on their home soil? I'm not looking for military experience, I was quite enthusiastic about putting rounds downrange at the enemy, I know I connected more than a few times.

Gross.  You want to help raise funds for the racist asshole who chased after a kid with a gun for wearing a hoodie?  The cops told him to stay inside, and he chased the kid.  

George Zimmerman, who has a history of legal trouble, which his judge father kept him out of.  

False portrayals in the media?  How the hell do you know?  Did you listen to the 911 tape?  Did you hear the story of the person who was talking on the phone with Trayvon just before he was murdered?  Why would Trayvon charge at someone with a gun?  Yeah, that is really the most plausible explanation ::)  Even if he did charge at him, Zimmerman unequivocally created the situation when he should not have, by chasing him down the street in a threatening manner.

Why the hell would you want to support this scumbag?  

Also, your title is inaccurate.  Zimmerman was not the victim.  The unarmed kid he shot was.

You mean the 6'3" young man that had Zimmerman pinned on the ground?  As was mentioned earlier, take a step back before you believe what the manipulative media is feeding you.

Watch out, Bruno.  Trayvon's parents might trademark that FirstBit as they have done with slogans such as "I am Trayvon," and "Justice for Trayvon."

Donating to the EFF was a publicity booster.

Tell me how would this boost bitcoin into the media?

Here's one they won't trademark: Tray von Martin vs Zimmerman

The currency of drugs and now lynching! Hmmm. Are there bitcoin lynching services that might boom as a result of this publicity? If not, then I suggest you shelve your marketing idea.

While you on the other hand is clearly keeping an open mind...

/sarcasm

So a "shooting victim" in the US of A is the person who killed the other person and now might get in legal trouble for that? Interesting point of view at least...

If you want to convince this guy to accept BTC, just write him a mail and pitch it to him or his lawyer. You don't really suggest any action like this in your OP other than generally donating for this cause... I think the "Bitcoin Discussion" forum might be the wrong one for a thread like this personally.

I'm on record for being in Trayvon's camp, but will certainly switch if new evidence is made available. That said, I would love to market Bitcoin as a donation option to this camp, but it would be the wrong thing to do on a couple different levels, one of which you've kindly pointed out, cunicula.

For sake of augment, let's say I'm in Andrew's camp and a majority of bitcoiners backed Zimmerman, want to see the results if Bitcoin were bought into the mix?

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/09/11104813-george-zimmerman-takes-to-web-to-raise-money-for-legal-costs-lawyers-confirm

The Reverend Jesse Jackson called for a nationwide boycott of PayPal for allowing George Zimmerman to use their services to collect donations to pay for his living and legal expenses stemming from the uncalled for death of Trayvon Martin. Al Sharpton and members of the NAACP are expected to follow his lead, soliciting their supporters to follow suit.

~Bruno~

I agree that there is some uncertainty as to exactly what happened but I'm not going to ignore the facts that have come out like much of the media likes to do.  There is a reason that someone is innocent until proven guilty and I'm quite disturbed to find so many people sentencing him before he gets a proper trial.

You realize that that does not apply in the USA anymore, right? ::) It is such a police state these days, and I have my doubts that a single TSA agent or police officer has ever read the Constitution or its amendments.

The constitution isn't just  the paper and its amendments, but a whole set of precedent and interpretation applied to them. The court is really the only thing that prevent the USA from turning outright into a mob ruled government. You may even say that it's probably the only reason why the US government have any legitimacy.

I haven't really followed the story very closely.  Can someone give a quick update on how this has turned into a race issue?

I think some racists are taking advantage of the situation and turning it into a race issue.

Right that racist zimmerman!

You won't find this in the "main stream" media:

“You will recall the incident of the beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on December 4, 2010 by the son of a Sanford police officer. The beating sparked outrage in the community but there were very few that stepped up to do anything about it. I would presume the inaction was because of the fact that he was homeless not because he was black.

Do you know the individual who stepped up when no one else in the black community would? Do you know who spent tireless hours putting flyers on the cars of persons parked in the churches of the black community? Do you know who waited for the church-goers to get out of church so that he could hand them flyers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? Do you know who helped organize the City Hall meeting on January 8, 2011 at Sanford City Hall??

That person was GEORGE ZIMMERMAN.”

– from a letter to Turner Clayton of the Seminole County NAACP written by “a concerned Zimmerman family member”

further reading : http://www.scribd.com/doc/87688384/Zimmerman-family-member-letter-to-NAACP

What rights have you lost to a TSA agent? lol

Of all the worthy causes to donate BTC to, I wouldn't touch this one with a ten-foot pole.

This is excessive force at least. I can go and shoot any person and then claim self-defense. Dead don't talk.

Zimmerman needs to burn.

Your eagerness to burn a man before you have given him a chance to give his side of the story is disturbing to say the least.  The dead don't talk - so the living shouldn't be able to either??  Step back and let your head cool off PLEASE people.  I would expect more civility...

Nobody knows if Zimmerman is a racist (it's irrevelant)...

Nobody knows if Trayvon was beating the shit out of Zimmerman (irrelevent also)...

What we do know is that Trayvon was lawfully minding his own business, Zimmerman incorrectly thought he was up to no good, Zimmerman pursued him, an altercation occured...Trayvon died.

Zimmerman may not be a racist murderer like some want you to think, but he certainly is not a responsible gun owner like others want you to think.

So he deserved to be shot for that? Yea right.

Zimmerman had a restraining order against him granted in 2005. That prevents him from owning guns in FL.

All of them. They can seize and search your electronic devices at will, with no warrant, they can grope and assault you with no recourse, and they are expanding their operations like only an oppressive regime can.

If you think that is reasonable to shot for getting pinned it's a disturbed world that you live in.

+1.

We will never know all of the real story.  We do know that Travon was followed by a stranger with a gun going against the advice of the police.  Stand your ground does not apply.  It may be murder but without a question it is manslaughter.

If Zimmerman was at his house this would be all different, but he was not even walking around.  He got out of his car to pursue someone who he admitted 'looked out of place'.

I do not like to see this portrayed as a race issue.  It is not.  Zimmerman is probably not a racist, that does not make him innocent. 

There are to many contradicting stories. The media tells us stories from both sides and then every week they persuade everyone to feel in a different direction. Raising BTC's for this guy won't help... he has a family member thats a judge... and i agree with the one guy above, a donation for this guy could mean bad publicity for BTC.

Actually I don't think it's a bad publicity. I don't believe that this is a race issue, Zimmerman is hispanic (or half by his mother).

+1

I didn't think my opinion of certain members here could get any lower... I may give the benefit of the
doubt to the OP and others who may be truly interested in helping a person they see as a victim, but
for those ( or at least the one scumbag ) who seemingly sees everything, including tragedies like this
one, only in the light of, "How can we use this as an opportunity to market bitcoin."   wtf? 

Is this true?

+1. 

Like 80% of the claims made by the anti-Zimmerman crowd, it's probably not true and the restraining order had lapsed by then.

Why should you care if they do that if you have nothing to hide ? Are you saying people with bombs should be allowed to board a plane?

I hate to break it to you, but you are a victim of their failed policies that are slowly but surely turning this place into a police state. Brainwashed like the rest of the sheeple. For the record, I am unequivocally NOT saying that people with bombs should board a plane.

LOL right all those rights I've lost! wtf you going on about ? What "Police State"? .You sounds like a paranoid lunatic probably a Ron P. supporter. Obviously, you are OK with bombs be allowed on board according to you the TSA should be abolished.  

edit: I love how people make these ludicrous claims and provide no evidence of their "rights" being taken away and no you don't have right to board a plane with anything you want.

Problem?

how is the preacher doing ? LOL you realize thats all he is ?

Bombs? Remind me when a last time a bomb got aboard of a plane in USA? 50 years ago?

You're a lunatic.

so your saying by allowing more bombs on planes the chances are less of a bomb going off ? LOL

you better get your head checked.

edit: also, you just fed yourself my point exactly .  Obviously, its working if 50 years of it not happening.

What more bombs? Can you answer a question, about what bombs are you talking about? The imaginary ones in your head?


If no bombs got in planes for 50 years in USA, so why do we need TSA?!

And TSA was responsible for that? Check your head? No one in their right minds could have imagined TSA 20 years ago.

...none that we know of, dipshit. I don't know of any confirmed incidents where the TSA has actually prevented a terrorist from boarding, do you? And besides that, there are any number of anecdotal evidences of people boarding with any manner of shit, including knives, guns, and drugs, and were only discovered after getting off the plane.

Wow, your kidding right ? So, if we allow everyone and anyone to board a plane they WILL not bring anything on board to bring down the plane ?   No, TSA and specifically airport screening has been around for 50 years thus preventing bombs for being on planes got it ?  ...I'm sure rjk being the moron he is would say that is "taking his rights" away in some fashion.

You can't see the forrest for the trees, right? Alright then, I'll leave you to it. ::)

You never answered what "rights" are being taken away ?  Not my fault!   ::)

Airport screening that was 20 years ago is FINE, TSA is NOT.

So how does one separate the 2  (TSA/airport screening) they both do the same thing ...they supposedly "violate" your rights by an unwarranted search or your bags through a scanner ?

How about the 4th amendment right to not be searched without probable cause?

lol... so you are ok with bombs being allowed on a plane ?   If you don't like it don't board a plane how about that?

edit: I know its all warm and fuzzy feeling inside having it your way but life doesn't work that way.

Sorry, I can't help you. You are completely missing the point.

Let me ask you this: Is it acceptable for the TSA to stop folks driving on the highway for a random bag screening? It's happening, in case you didn't notice, starting with truckers, continuing to other forms of transport (train), and generally paving the way for a policeman on every doorstep, waiting to grope you on the way out. You like this?

I have seen TSA in NYC's subways.

I never said TSA was a good thing but they sure aren't taking your "rights away" .  Your making it sound like your allowed to do anything you want and all of sudden that is a "police state".   Obviously, there is a "reason" for the situation above I mean what sinister thing are you dreaming up that they are doing?   Policeman on every doorstep huh ?

And that isn't sinister? If they got TSA in subways, next can be your office building. My office building has metal detectors, now I would need to pass groping to get into my office? My building is few blocks away from ground zero too and I saw a twin tower's fall from my windows...

Facepalm of the year award. Either completely oblivious, wantonly ignorant, or a shill for the government.

lol like that is going to happen  where do you guys come up with these things ? How do you take going from an airport to your office building ?

Paranoia got you ?  wow, you are complete nut case  you might want to seek some help  if you think the boogie man is going to get you.....

No wonder Ron P. got like 4 delegates...

Huh? I said SUBWAYS? TSA is already in some subway stations in NYC! Going from a subway station to an office is actually feasible, especially when an office already has security screening.

How do you read any of this and think it means that people who are against the TSA want a bomb on every plane? wtf.

http://images.wikia.com/potcoplayers/images/5/56/Please-dont-feed-the-trolls.jpg


Back on Topic.  I don't think there is anything about race here.  The Daily Show did a pretty funny bit about it.  Mexican guy with a Jewish name shooting a black guy.  How can race not be involved?!

I'm a member of the NRA and I think the stand your ground law is prefectly fine.  But by all reports I've seen, Zimmerman put himself in the "dangerous situation" (still no proof presented that he even has a broken nose. I've only read the word of the attorney) and I just can't see how that falls under Stand Your Ground.

If I have a gun on me, go up to you and provoke a fight, and then shoot you, that should not be legal.  Hell, people in California have been convicted for assault with a deadly weapon for kicking someone with steel-toed boots, so a gun should at least be a little more serious, right?

Sorry I'll stop now.

And the problem with that is what ? that is public transportation you realize that right ? No different then an airport. Oooooo thats right the big old bogggie man might get me! lol ...idiot

So tell me - if you someone punches you and brakes your nose. Do you think you would be within your right to shoot the person back?

At what point does shooting become acceptable?

Will obviously yes - you realize that is the law in Florida right ?  you have a right to self defense you didn't know that?

Welp, now we know why GirlsGoneBitcoin got banned.  Who else is ignoring him?  I'm surprised he's not orange yet.

Sidewalks are public thoroughfare also. Now we need TSA on every intersection?

You didn't answer the question. Can you read?

aww did I hurt your feelings ?

So the airport is too ?wow, I didn't realize people are this dumb.

Which airport?

So if the N.Y Subway is is considered public space then the airport must be also ?

When there is "threat to life or limb" is the legal wording.  Now figuring that part out is the trick :)  It's incredibly situational and sadly, I don't think we will ever know the situation that led to Travon Martin being shot.


I found this article and for just a second thought that the TSA had actually stopped a terrorist. Sadly... they were mistaken

http://airnation.net/2012/01/03/man-arrested-midland-explosives-expert/

Oh and this.  They really do a good job.

http://airnation.net/2012/03/03/tsa-apologizes-breast-pump/

And this list is actually from the TSA!

http://blog.tsa.gov/2012/01/tsa-top-10-good-catches-of-2011.html

Which airport are you talking about?

geezus , any airport ?

I'm still reading (catching up from last last post), but needed to comment on this post.

I felt it as a marketing opportunity at the onset, myself, but soon realized that that would be wrong. You have to admit, though, the notables behind Trayvon Martin are, and will continue, milking this for all its worth, thus increasing their user base during the interim.

~Bruno~

Improve your English: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/540/01/

huh? after all that you you say improve your english ? LOL

so yes who cares if the TSA is located at places where the public is at  more power to them!

I don't understand you most of the time. Broken english.

http://images.wikia.com/potcoplayers/images/5/56/Please-dont-feed-the-trolls.jpg

Can we get back to Martin/Zimmerman? Mentioning ggb's poor grammar/spelling is not helping anyone.

Innocent until proven guilty..  
So may I suggest a bitcoin legal defense fund for Anders Behring Breivik?  
Hey, no such thing as bad publicity right?

 :(

sorry, just had to respond to some idiots above who claim that their "rights" are being taken away and we are in some sort of "police state" whatever that means. Then someone needed help with grammar it seems so had to help him out.

As for Zimmerman I find it odd the guy is being called out for defending himself.

Idiots? LOL? How many simple mistakes did you just make? Write me something in your native language? I hope it isn't English.

You seriously going to do a grammar check ? really ? You should check out your own grammar let alone worrying about others...your obviously aren't an American probably from Iran or some 3rd world country.

This is only the beginning. Wait til this thing gets totally out of hand. http://www.infowars.com/new-black-panthers-and-nazis-hijack-trayvon-martin-case/

I'm willing to bet that more, a lot more, people are going to die due this issue. Correct me if I'm wrong.

http://sunshineslate.sunshineslate.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NBBP-Trayvon-Martin.jpg

Huh? What did you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eLiJ4k5QPNs

Calling for vigilantes to fight vigilanteism... makes sense to me....

Just watched the short video. My assessment? President Obama will be a one term president. Once all hell breaks loose, a majority of Americans won't be voting for BHO.

~Bruno~

Use google's translator since Iranian is your 1st language.

Oh YES, pure gold. "Iranian" is a language now. Sign me up, where can I learn it?!?!

You both can learn together! yay!!

Sadly, Google Translate doesn't know anything about Iranian. Why don't you show me how?

God, I have to explain stuff for a 2nd time with you ?

First it was airports now I have to help you figure out your 1st language ?

I thought Ron P. supporters were self sufficient ?

so, i have a gun.  i walk up to you and push you.  you punch me in the face.  i shoot you dead.  i was defending myself and am in the right?

Huh? I am a Ron Paul supporter now? Really learn to read. I don't think your IQ is high enough to figure out my first language.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL DUDE!


Also, the title of this thread should be fixed; Zimmerman is not the victim...

which appearances specifically are you referring to when you say zimmerman was attacked for no reason?

Below is from Wikipedia.  The reason why I post it and not other stuff on the page is that most everything in this post is well documented by audio.  So it is really not up to conjecture that Zimmerman followed Travan who was walking legally in his own neighborhood.  What would you do if some stranger followed you? 


From Wikipedia:

Zimmerman cell phone call to police

Zimmerman called the Sanford Police Department police at the non-emergency number at approximately 7:00 p.m., February 26, 2012[11] to report what he considered to be suspicious behavior by Martin, which he described as "just walking around looking about" in the rain.[74] The police dispatcher tape recorded him saying, "This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something." He further stated that the person he was observing had his hand in his waistband, was holding something in his other hand, and was walking around slowly in the rain looking at houses.[75] On the recording of the call, Zimmerman is heard commenting "these assholes they always get away."[76][77]

After the audio of the call was released, CNN[78] and other reports alleged Zimmerman had exclaimed "fucking coon," two minutes and twenty-one seconds (2:21) into the call. CNN later claimed, on April 4, 2012, that the enhanced audio revealed the word "cold".[79] The following day, April 5, 2012, CNN's Martin Savidge reported that forensic audio expert Tom Owen claimed it was "punks".[80] Other reviewers of the call have offered alternate interpretations of what was said, but the transcript of the call states that the word in question is "unintelligible".[81][82]

The dispatcher recommended that he not take any action, and informed him that police were on the way. Zimmerman reported that Martin had started running. The dispatcher asked him if he was following Martin and he affirmed that he was. The dispatcher informed him that this was not necessary, saying, "We don't need you to do that."[83] Zimmerman affirmed "OK" and said he would meet the police by the mailboxes. However, before hanging up he said “Actually, could you have him call me, and I’ll tell him where I’m at?”[84]

At 2:07 minutes into the police call Zimmerman says "he's running". At 2:37 into the call Zimmerman tells the dispatcher, "he ran". After he can't tell the dispatcher the address of his current location, the dispatcher asks Zimmerman for his apartment number. Zimmerman tells him the numbers of his street address and then at 3:35 adds "Oh crap, I don't want to give it all out. I don't know where this kid is". Zimmerman appears to hang up at the 4:05 mark, almost two minutes after the comment that Martin was running. The recording ends at 4:11.

i would say yes, if someone is following me in a car while i'm walking down the street, and i'm scared enough to run away, and that person chases after me through backyards, yes, physical violence against that person is justified.

I'm pretty sure that if this is the senario, based on the Stand your Ground law, you could shoot your purser for being chased. This means Travis Travon could have legally shot Zimmerman, not the other way around.

And your point is what exactly?


EDIT: stupid auto correct messed up Travon's name the first post and then my fingers messed it up the second time. Fixed it now.

A real response would be appreciated...



Section 776.013 is about home defense and does not pertain to this case.

Now if he really does have a broken nose (which seems doubtful at this point) then 776.041 2b does apply and it appears that Stand your Ground should apply to Zimmerman.  That part is for the courts to decide (if the case ever gets there considering that Stand your Ground grants you immunity...)



Also, I just found this.  http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gWj40NWjRZ9NbPzFLwjATF21BG0A?docId=787a077e14304b86a063cf7b5f69f505  Still reading it, but apparently his Attorneys quit.

EDIT: Wow. that article has a lot of (useless) stats about race in it.  I wish we could get away from the race thing. It also wasn't as informative as I had hoped it would be :(

Yeah, not donating to someone who stalked and killed an unarmed man. Self defense  ::)

Dude. He had skittles and a hoodie.  That shits dangerous.

Notice how Arizona Iced Tea is conveniently left off the list by mainstream media. My guess is that the symbolism won't fit.

Arizona = Border Patrol
Iced = I.C.E.
Tea = Tea Party

Whereas Skittles is...

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13500000/Skittles-Rainbow-skittles-13570680-540-400.jpg

What a pretty rainbow! Now only if somebody could push for a coalition...

~Bruno~

For once, I actually agree with cunicula here. Unless we have actual-proved evidence and reason to believe either person were wrong, I don't think we should pick sides yet. This could hurt Bitcoin inadvertently if we chose wrongly.

Why do we need to choose as a collective? if both had bitcoin donation addresses "we" could all just choose any or none

Personally i started off thinking this was a racist guy shooting some innocent kid, but then with all the BS in the news coming out (to be expected really, but not wanted) i really don't think anything of it, as posted in this thread, all we know is the bullshit the media has fed us, and that isn't enough to form an opinion on.

in which states do you feel following a pedestrian in a car, then chasing that someone through residential yards at a full run, doesn't create a situation where the person being followed/chased would be interpreted by the courts as being reasonably in fear for their life or in danger of bodily harm?  i can't think of a single district that would be sympathetic to a self defense plea by the aggressor where they followed, then chased, then accosted someone, specifically when the situation didn't occur on the aggressors property.

i see you asking others if they are lawyers, and seem to be offering your legal opinion as if it carries the weight of legal expertise.  are you a lawyer?  if yes, what area of law do you practice?

Awesome level of detail on your story... Really enjoyed reading it... Which person got beaten and which person ended up dead in yours?

Anecdotal evidence of a possibly similar-ish story to yourself is not a law or legal precedent and would only be worth mentioning if you wrote more than a single sentence.

woefully inadequate amount of detail if your case does indeed have any parallel to the above situation.  and a single fringe case does not a general interpretation make.

maybe you missed the question, but in regard to you asking others if they were lawyers and offering a general air of legal expertise, are you a lawyer?

Are you aware that you just bumped a 10-year-old thread?