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I have a feeling another 2+ million in BTC is going to be stolen.
Thoughts?

Same thing I was thinking. I have watched both SR crashes effect BTC price.

I can't find a clear net source. Check silk road community forum.

Except that the market hardly meets people expectations.

Inb4 Silkroad 3.0

I would guess that it is the government attempting to determine the location of the SR servers in ways similar to how SR1's servers were found. They likely wanted to do this before SR2 would have time to implement "fixes" to avoid the same vulnerabilities as the FBI's methods were revealed recently.

From what I have read they are being DDoS'ed which is likely something similar to what the FBI did to Sr1.

How do you know is being attacked?

never ending story :)

Yep! They say its a ddos attack but until we see the site back up with all coins intact... Starting to get old.

It's all just a part of a bigger conspiracy in my opinion.

"Community,

We are facing a very sophisticated DDoS attack, the most advance methods we have faced yet.

The dev team is working around the clock to get marketplace service restored, as well as watch the security of our systems closely.

Much of the downtime you have seen is intentional on our part: if this is an attempt to locate our servers through packet analysis, we do not want to make it easy for our adversary and would rather be offline while we adapt our defenses.

We apologize for the inconvenience, thank you for your patience as we rush to remedy the situation.

Defcon"

They actually removed the CAPTCHA months ago.

Posted just now!!!   :D

"Community,

While we continue testing different approaches to blocking the inbound DDoS, we are also processing withdrawals which were delayed by the traffic flood.

We understand how important cashflow is and are prioritizing transmitting all delayed withdrawals to the network over the next four hours.

Please confirm here when you receive your withdrawal.

To our adversaries: You cannot stop us. We will overcome every attack.

Defcon"

They have some kind of Captcha today, at least on their forums. I would not discount the governments ability to make some kind of connection to the forum servers and the actual website servers that have the actual market place.

People need to grow up and take better care of their coins.  If you know there will be attacks why leave coins there.  It's just going to undermine Bitcoin and you lose money on top of it so why do it.  I hope your wrong and I'm over reacting because I'm ready for some good news not another circus for the media and trolls to have a beargasm with.

Is it really possible to steal coins from SR 2.0? They had removed the escrow system many months ago, and replaced it with the multi-sig wallet system. If SR 2.0 does not hold Bitcoins of its users anymore, how it is possible to steal the coins from that site?

Anyway, if a robbery did actually happened, then I am sure that the admins will refund the lost coins. They had already did that during the last robbery.

Why do you think they will be stolen? Any vulnerability that can be used for such purpose, like the maleability stuff?

You say you have the feeling, but gave no evidence of how it might happens?

They havent implemented multi sig yet, it's in beta for a small number of users.

Also, the original "hack" wasn't a hack.

Defcon et al, realised they were playing a very dangerous game, and that the money they were making wasn't worth it. So they came up with a figure - say $3 million that they wanted for their own risk. They stole it themselves, blaming transaction malleability with some lame ass excuse about how they were moving all the money into the hot wallet just as the hacker struck (lol)

Once they had their little nest eggs stashed away so they had money to disappear if the FBI came calling or they felt under threat they returned with their "sweaty and humbled" speech about how they would repay everyone, then they repay everyone with a percentage of the fees they're collecting from users. (they're probably still skimming, I bet 100% of fees are not repaying people)

It makes sense, if I was them I'd do the exact same thing, rather than earn $10,000 a week or whatever knowing at any time the FBI could bust you and you'd have risked everything for a measly sum, start by stealing a good amount so you're safe then let the users repay that...

Execuse my ignorance , but what is Silkroad ? O_O  :'(

Or Open Bazaar or a fork thereof.

I have lost more coins than you will ever own! Period.
This is one response to Defcons last post...


Defcon,

I do not think it was appropriate of you to ignore every single vendors post confirming that all our withdrawls are not working, avoiding the issue entirely, and instead discussing something of much less importance: Market downtime.

You should be responding to the half a dozen + threads in the vendor roundtable asking just what the hell is going on.

Instead, you make a generic post in the public forum, ignoring all of our very serious questions. Not a very good way to show support to the people who make this place possible.

Is the money safe or not?

12+ hours and no response from Defcon...
Vendors are already moving to Evolution and Agora. The ship is going down!!!

Anyone please , what is this Silkroad thing ?

What were the google/ddg/wikipedia searches you tried?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_%28marketplace%29

How big is silkroad 2?

FORUM STATS for the silkroad community. I would say probably less than a quarter of SR members are on the forums but who knows.

794376 Posts in 41569 Topics by 60805 Members. Latest Member: lokiau
Latest Post: "Re: norway.." ( Today at 01:13:04 pm )
View the most recent posts on the forum.

i guess the police or the fbi are attacking them. but there is not only silk road 2.0 , there are more.

they cannot win this in the long term

the silk road bitcoin sold for $900 double the market value !

I understand the part about them stealing the bitcoin at first so to have to not take on the risk of being caught by law enforcement. What I don't understand is why they continued to operate the site after the "hack" - their risk of jail time is still present.

I do agree that the timing of the previous attack was very suspicious as it coincided with a time when the amount of money held in escrow was more or less at an all time high. 

because they want to continue making money.

They stole their nest egg, now they're adding to it. I do not believe that it's taken so long to repay the hack, there has also been some very suspicious scams. Obvious scammers made vendors with good feedback, accounts hijacked. I genuinely believe the crew behind SR2 are running it as a long con. They both steal and scam, and run it as a real market in order to maximise their profits.

They stole $3m or thereabouts.

They set up people like RaulGallardo with vendor accounts, and stole tens of thousands. Quite a few weird vendors have popped up and stolen money even when vendor reg was closed...somehow. So I guess they probably steal a small proportion, I dunno, say 3% of the money going through the site.

They also run it legitimately, getting 4% fees or so, but I bet they are using half of that to repay victims and half for themselves, hence why it's taken since february to repay.

These guys are professional crooks, to think they're running their highly illegal darknet market in an honest way is laughable. Look what happened to the last guy who did that.

You would think the FBI would have learnt its lesson from the first Silkroad takedown. Even if they were to shut down Silkroad 2, Silkroad 3 would soon pop up (I think SR2 was up within a month of SR1 being taken down), that's not even factoring in all the new developments like Open Bazaar etc.

But what it appears they are doing is "stealing" money from customers and then repaying them back with money they would have earned anyway from commissions. While they are "paying back" the customer money they are still vulnerable to be charged with drug related crimes. 

Ddos attack =/= beign able to steal coins, it's just making the servers too busy to respond to normal request instread of only attacker's ones.

It took several years for the FBI to be able to take down SR1. SR2 has been open for well under a year so far. If the FBI is able to take down SR2 in much less time then it took to take down SR1, despite SR2 learning from SR1's mistakes and apparently being much better funded from a security point of view then others would be less likely to want to follow in the footsteps of ross and create additional dark markets

Do you have a link to this? I didn't know the final numbers were made public.

I don't think any of the dark net marketplaces for illegal drugs should be considered as "safe"

You have a huge risk of getting scammed on these kinds of sites. Even if you do not get scammed you are breaking the law and are risking prosecution. You also risk that the site as been compromised and is now essentially run by the police/law enforcement.

I would actually be surprised if the attack on SR2 was not being launched by the FBI while attempting to take it down within a year of taking down SR1.

There are lots of articles on clearnet, look around ;)
But ordering substances that are forbidden in your contry is illegal.

Make sure to use Tor while searching for clearnet articles about the deepweb. Don't be low-hanging fruit and Google crap like that without Tor - it's the perfect excuse for a raid which will waste law enforcement's time. Search around Reddit. Acquire knowledge and do what you want with it within your country's laws - the government always knows best and is just there to protect you.

It is not at all illegal to read about sites like SR or other illegal websites. There are a lot of legit reasons to read about and even access these illegal darkweb sites.

To say that you should not read about sites like SR is like saying that you should not read about a murder in your community or about a bank robbery. Reading about any of these would not implicate you in anything illegal

It's quite different about SR and other illegal marketplaces i guess as it may seem like you have interest about them if you read about them.

Interesting news, translated and posted into Chinese:
http://8btc.com/thread-7310-1-1.html

And what was this good for? I've heard that the ddos have stopped already, haven't it?

Exactly. I think a lot of people are interested in these illegal sites that have no intention of ever using the sites. One example would be someone who is opposed to these sites to be doing research to argue for additional resources to given to try to take them down

I guess the main point would be to be careful to make sure they aren't already looking at you in the first place or they would just have more circumstantial evidence to take someone down with.

You cannot be charged with any crimes just for reading something. The only way that this could come back to harm you would be if you were found to have committed a drug related crime (and had actual evidence against you) and the fact that you read about SR was corroborating evidence as to your intent as to what you were going to do with the illegal drugs

Even if the police at watching you, simply reading about an illegal drug site is not evidence of a crime alone. They may take this fact with other incriminating evidence to make the conclusion that you are doing something illegal, however the fact that you are simply looking at the website or reading an article is not going to get you in any kind of trouble

It depends what you search, searching and reading some articles are illegal and anyway do you want to see the police knocking at your door?

On the other hand if you use Tor, the police could know and go knock at your door thinking you are doing something illegal

That's why if you're in US u should use tails or vpn.

http://www.deepdotweb.com/2013/10/28/updated-llist-of-hidden-marketplaces-tor-i2p/

Rubbish!

I never have and never will bought anything from silkroad or any other "dark net" marketplace. I do find the whole phenomenon fascnating, however, so I've read and will continue to read about them. And when I do, I do so over my ordinary internet connection, knowing that the police will NEVER show up at my door because I happened to google "silkroad news", "ross ulbrict" or anything else.

Take off the tinfoil hats, everyone!

The US is probably the safest place to use TOR. There are no restrictions on freedom of speech (there are actually very few) in the US therefor someone seen using TOR is likely not going to be seen as trying to get around these restrictions (which is the primary reason why governments look to see if citizens are using TOR)