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Title: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
Hi. I'm the founder of one of the largest incubators in Bitcoin, the DCAO (Digital Commerce Advancement Organization). Although we use various project management solutions such as JIRA, we mostly communicate over Skype. Currently we have 50+ active members in the organization working busily on the produces and services that you use everyday.

While doing my chores on the Bitcoin Magazine today, I was realizing just how uncomfortable it is to discuss things in forum PMs and how many missed opportunities there are for people sharing ideas here on these forums with the wrong crowd. So completely separate from the DCAO, I'd like to start the first Skype Bitcoin group. The minimum requirements for this group are as follows:

You must either:
  • Love Bitcoin
  • Hate Bitcoin
  • Not yet have an opinion formed on Bitcoin

No Atlas allowed

Please add matthewnealwright to your Skype contacts and make sure to have your friend request say "Because Bitcoin" or else I'll think you're a random creeper and block you.

Thanks!

Matthew


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: R- on April 25, 2012, 01:13:02 PM
Sent you a request broski.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: terrytibbs on April 25, 2012, 01:18:04 PM
IRC, have you heard of it?


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2012, 01:19:43 PM
IRC, have you heard of it?

As an avid and hardcore IRCer from childhood on, I can tell you that the overall experience pales in comparison. Skype doesn't require a constant connection, keeps logs and rejoins you later without losing momentum, allows for video and voice calls, etc.

IRC is so 1990. (Skype is so 2000, but nothing better has come out yet so meh).


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: R- on April 25, 2012, 01:42:23 PM
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The IRC protocol was developed over the last 4 years since it was first implemented as a means for users on a BBS to chat amongst themselves. Now it supports a world-wide network of servers and clients, and is stringing to cope with growth. Over the past 2 years, the average number of users connected to the main IRC network has grown by a factor of 10.

- J. Oikarinen, D. Reed; Internet Relay Chat Protocol; RFC 1459; May 1993.

When I was born. Definition: Oldschool.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Tuxavant on April 25, 2012, 02:23:52 PM
I'm not much of a camguy, but what about GTalk/Google Hangouts? Does skype even do conferences?


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2012, 02:28:05 PM
I'm not much of a camguy, but what about GTalk/Google Hangouts? Does skype even do conferences?

I don't use cams on Skype for group conferencing, only text. Skype functions just like IRC. Right now we're chatting text-only. Also, google products SUCK on mobile/tablets, I'm sorry but it's just true. Skype only kind of sucks on mobile, and mostly iPhone.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: rjk on April 25, 2012, 02:33:22 PM
IRC, have you heard of it?

As an avid and hardcore IRCer from childhood on, I can tell you that the overall experience pales in comparison. Skype doesn't require a constant connection, keeps logs and rejoins you later without losing momentum, allows for video and voice calls, etc.

IRC is so 1990. (Skype is so 2000, but nothing better has come out yet so meh).
Come on, man. Haven't you ever heard of a bouncer? Set up an IRC bouncer on a server or VPS with a stable connection, and it will feed you all unread logs whenever you reconnect to it, as well as other useful features. When you throw a good BNC into the mix with IRC, it blows the shit out of Skype so badly that you will never go back.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2012, 02:35:37 PM
IRC, have you heard of it?

As an avid and hardcore IRCer from childhood on, I can tell you that the overall experience pales in comparison. Skype doesn't require a constant connection, keeps logs and rejoins you later without losing momentum, allows for video and voice calls, etc.

IRC is so 1990. (Skype is so 2000, but nothing better has come out yet so meh).
Come on, man. Haven't you ever heard of a bouncer?

Needs a bouncer:

Skype: X    IRC: O

+1 Skype

When you throw a good BNC into the mix with IRC, it blows the shit out of Skype so badly that you will never go back.

Needs a BNC:

Skype: X    IRC: O

+1 Skype


Supports video or phone:

Skype: O    IRC: X

+1 Skype


Cross platform for all mobile devices and easy to use:

Skype: O    IRC: X

+1 Skype


Sorry....I love IRC, but there is no contest.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: nathanghart on April 25, 2012, 02:43:25 PM
Added you as a contact. Thanks bro.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: rjk on April 25, 2012, 02:45:41 PM
Never let the lack of research get in the way of the facts.

But for those of you that like to spread all your information all over the internet, I suppose Skype is right for you.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2012, 02:51:19 PM
Never let the lack of research get in the way of the facts.

But for those of you that like to spread all your information all over the internet, I suppose Skype is right for you.

It's right for businessmen.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: N12 on April 25, 2012, 03:03:58 PM
Never let the lack of research get in the way of the facts.

But for those of you that like to spread all your information all over the internet, I suppose Skype is right for you.

It's right for businessmen.
So how’s that magazine going, businessman?


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Blazr on April 25, 2012, 03:07:17 PM

Needs a bouncer:

Skype: X    IRC: O

+1 Skype

A bouncer literally takes a fraction of a second to set up: http://geekbouncer.co.uk

Also you referred to a bouncer twice. BNC is short for bouncer.


Supports video or phone:

Skype: O    IRC: X

+1 Skype

I don't use cams on Skype for group conferencing, only text.

Contradicting yourself much?

Cross platform for all mobile devices and easy to use:


IRC is cross-platform too, it'll run on any OS + mobile device. Is there even a webclient for Skype yet?


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2012, 03:15:12 PM
A bouncer literally takes a fraction of a second to set up: http://geekbouncer.co.uk

"Hey Mr Businessman! Let's communicate about topics related to making money, but if you want to, you've got to jump through some hoops. First, ever heard of IRC? Install this...."


I don't use cams on Skype for group conferencing, only text.

Contradicting yourself much?
I meant to say "much", but I hardly see why that would be considered contradiction since we're talking about the overall features of IRC vs. Skype. Skype is still way better for businesses than IRC. Sorry.

IRC is cross-platform too, it'll run on any OS + mobile device. Is there even a webclient for Skype yet?


Of course IRC is cross platform, it's a protocol not an app. And Skype is a closed protocol which is why it doesn't really have a web version that I know of.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: schnell on April 25, 2012, 03:22:11 PM
Adding you when I get home :)


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Blazr on April 25, 2012, 03:25:52 PM
"Hey Mr Businessman! Let's communicate about topics related to making money, but if you want to, you've got to jump through some hoops. First, ever heard of IRC? Install this...."

You have to sign-up to Skype and download the application.
With IRC its the same, sign-up to a bouncer and download the application. Most bouncers will automatically register your nick with NickServ and identify you automatically, so you have absolutely nothing to do.

In actual fact you don't HAVE to sign-up for a bouncer if you don't need to have your PM's saved for when your offline. You can still access the chat-logs via your browser.

I meant to say "much", but I hardly see why that would be considered contradiction since we're talking about the overall features of IRC vs. Skype. Skype is still way better for businesses than IRC. Sorry.

I just don't see the point of switching everyone to Skype when we're all on IRC right now (freenode #bitcoin-otc). We even have a bot that tells us latest bitcoin prices and assists us in trades + a feedback system that works really well. I'm currently working on an escrow bot for IRC so we don't even have to leave IRC to make trades via escrow. Does Skype have any of that?

Of course IRC is cross platform, it's a protocol not an app. And Skype is a closed protocol which is why it doesn't really have a web version that I know of.

You tried to use that as a point for Skype, which doesn't make any sense.

Anyways, there's no point arguing this because I can feel we're both wasting our time and will never listen to each other's points. Installing Skype and adding you.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2012, 03:27:49 PM
Anyways, there's no point arguing this because I can feel we're both wasting our time and will never listen to each other's points. Installing Skype and adding you.

LOL..


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: R- on April 25, 2012, 04:36:53 PM
It has been a good time.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Nicolai Larsen on April 25, 2012, 07:33:51 PM
A waste of time.

Skype groups are fucking annoying.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: schnell on April 25, 2012, 07:59:51 PM
A waste of time.

Skype groups are fucking annoying.
This is my first skype group. And it is fucking awesome.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on April 25, 2012, 08:19:26 PM
A waste of time.

Skype groups are fucking annoying.

Until you learn how to use /alertsoff

and then they're pretty fruitful.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Herodes on April 25, 2012, 09:22:52 PM
I think any means of communication over the internet is fine, as long as the right tool is choosen for the right job.

Most of my complaints are never due to the choice of communication, but rather due to lazyness and poor responsivenes of project team members. That's why I've started to be very selective about who I work with. Once you work with good people, you could communicate over any channel, but when something has to be discussed, skype (audio/video) can sometimes be faster than a lot of other things, apart from that I think e-mail and forum is good, and of course im's are okay as well.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Red Emerald on April 25, 2012, 09:25:27 PM
I still prefer IRC for text and TeamSpeak for voice, but I use Skype as well. I don't usually care about video chat, but it can be useful.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Topazan on April 26, 2012, 03:49:46 AM
I hate to derail this thread further, but I'm curious.  What's the consensus on XMPP here?


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: MaxSan on April 26, 2012, 07:16:21 AM
XMPP blows the shit skype as it doesnt suck complete balls. Still, Added you.


Title: Re: If you use Skype, read this thread.
Post by: Blazr on April 27, 2012, 01:23:07 AM
Ok, I'm obviously and idiot and done something wrong, but the group is now gone from my Skype client. Any ideas?

F U Skype!