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Title: Coming soon...
Post by: BFL on April 29, 2012, 03:15:47 AM
Here's a sneak preview of the modular Rig Enclosure.  It's initial availability will be in the form of the Mini Rig product which is the implementation illustrated below.  However, it's been designed to house any of the common cards in it's modular platform including standard Single PCB's.


http://www.butterflylabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Mini_Rig_Breakout_View.png


For more information, please visit:   http://www.butterflylabs.com/production-update/

Kind regards,
BFL


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: mem on April 29, 2012, 03:26:34 AM
Here's a sneak preview of the modular Rig Enclosure.  It's initial availability will be in the form of the Mini Rig product which is the implementation illustrated below.  However, it's been designed to house any of the common cards in it's modular platform including standard Single PCB's.


http://www.butterflylabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Mini_Rig_Breakout_View.png


For more information, please visit:   http://www.butterflylabs.com/production-update/

Kind regards,
BFL

Those enclosures you use, they are factory sourced correct ?
Ive seen the same models used for other custom equipment before when servicing mining sites (and also for sale on alibaba).
https://i.imgur.com/32Zq6.png

Or are you now using different cases to those displayed on your website ?
The cases you display on the website only have vents on the front and back, but I see you placing them on the side in this design.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: JWU42 on April 29, 2012, 03:29:36 AM
Want now...


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Gomeler on April 29, 2012, 03:50:37 AM
It would have been acceptable to put this in one of the many mini-rig threads.. just a thought  :-\


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: BFL on April 29, 2012, 03:55:39 AM
It would have been acceptable to put this in one of the many mini-rig threads.. just a thought  :-\

This post is for a different product than the Mini Rig.  This is the Modular rig enclosure.

Regards,
BFL


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: rjk on April 29, 2012, 03:57:57 AM
Sexy.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: imsaguy on April 29, 2012, 04:05:37 AM
I own the rights to Coming Soon, please refrain from using it.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: wogaut on April 29, 2012, 04:06:22 AM
Yet another BFL thread to subscribe to.
Looks promising!


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: mem on April 29, 2012, 04:15:25 AM
BFL secretive as ever.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Gomeler on April 29, 2012, 04:33:10 AM
It would have been acceptable to put this in one of the many mini-rig threads.. just a thought  :-\

This post is for a different product than the Mini Rig.  This is the Modular rig enclosure.

Regards,
BFL

Let me quote the first post with some bolding.


Here's a sneak preview of the modular Rig Enclosure.  It's initial availability will be in the form of the Mini Rig product which is the implementation illustrated below.  However, it's been designed to house any of the common cards in it's modular platform including standard Single PCB's.


http://www.butterflylabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Mini_Rig_Breakout_View.png


For more information, please visit:   http://www.butterflylabs.com/production-update/

Kind regards,
BFL

So, the configuration rendered is a Mini Rig. But it is a different product and therefore doesn't belong in one of the three threads about the Mini Rig. Right...

There is no need to spam the FPGA sub-forum with rendering announcements. We get it, BFL is figuring out how to actually build the Mini Rig.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: imsaguy on April 29, 2012, 05:04:10 AM

So, the configuration rendered is a Mini Rig. But it is a different product and therefore doesn't belong in one of the three threads about the Mini Rig. Right...

There is no need to spam the FPGA sub-forum with rendering announcements. We get it, BFL is figuring out how to actually build the Mini Rig.

But we can see this has Ethernets in it!  COMPLETELY different.

Can I browse Youtube on it while it hashes?!?


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: ice_chill on April 29, 2012, 12:30:42 PM
I am very happy they posted it in a new thread, looking forward to receiving my Mini-rig.

BFL haters: get out of here!
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Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: jamesg on April 29, 2012, 12:37:26 PM
I am very happy they posted it in a new thread, looking forward to receiving my Mini-rig.

BFL haters: get out of here!
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Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: ice_chill on April 29, 2012, 01:06:03 PM
Regarding the water block, your website says:
A much requested water block option is coming for both single and mini rig owners.  Here’s a look at the pre production prototype.

Will this be sold as an optional accessory ? and what price range can we expect ?

It would be an Utopia to be able to run the Mini-Rig in the same room as I sleep. Although I assume some exhaust fans will still be needed to exhaust the heat from the power circuitry ?

Also the tubing has some cable on it, is this pressure sensor or water flow sensor ?


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Cablez on April 29, 2012, 01:24:32 PM
That is super dead sexy.  Drool, drool drool. :D        I wonder how many I can afford?

Regarding the water block, your website says:
A much requested water block option is coming for both single and mini rig owners.  Here’s a look at the pre production prototype.

Will this be sold as an optional accessory ? and what price range can we expect ?

It would be an Utopia to be able to run the Mini-Rig in the same room as I sleep. Although I assume some exhaust fans will still be needed to exhaust the heat from the power circuitry ?

Also the tubing has some cable on it, is this pressure sensor or water flow sensor ?

Those are temperature sensors for the water that can be read out on an lcd.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: P4man on April 29, 2012, 04:19:19 PM
again I find the airflow design.. disappointing.  Not sure if there is a similar array of fans at the other side, but either way, it looks like  just a copy/paste job while there was opportunity to make something much more efficient by orienting the boards differently and creating windtunnels.

That said, I still want one :)


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: rjk on April 29, 2012, 04:27:55 PM
again I find the airflow design.. disappointing.  Not sure if there is a similar array of fans at the other side, but either way, it looks like  just a copy/paste job while there was opportunity to make something much more efficient by orienting the boards differently and creating windtunnels.

That said, I still want one :)
Although I am sure there are ways to improve it, I don't think the current design is insufficient, and should work reasonably well - the side-to-side instead of front-to-rear airflow is also a welcome development. Remember - there is still a "supercomputer" yet to come... I feel that they will pulling out all the stops on that one, making it the ultimate system.

And for what it's worth, due to recent comments by BFL, I believe that as postulated by some, this is indeed a custom run of programmable devices of some kind. A custom device doesn't *have* to be single-purpose, it is just a lot harder to design a reprogrammable device. But it can be done.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Gomeler on April 29, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
I am very happy they posted it in a new thread, looking forward to receiving my Mini-rig.

BFL haters: get out of here!
Spamers writing "Subed" Get a life!


I sure hope you don't think I'm a BFL hater! I actually am a forum spam hater! BFL could have one thread for updates! Now I have to potentially follow 4 threads for the complete discussion! Exclamation mark!


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: BFL on April 29, 2012, 05:05:34 PM
again I find the airflow design.. disappointing.  Not sure if there is a similar array of fans at the other side, but either way, it looks like  just a copy/paste job while there was opportunity to make something much more efficient by orienting the boards differently and creating windtunnels.

That said, I still want one :)

Actually, the design does have a heat evacuation wind tunnel at each layer.  The upper section of each tray has an isolated heat channel that collects hot air as it's drawn up from the radiator fins where it's blown out in exhaust.

The enclosure performs well with Singles which are significantly hotter than Mini Rig processor cards.  However, in that implementation we recommend activating both the left and right side fans.

Here's an image showing the channel bottom with circular HSF cutouts.  The underside of the next level's tray stacks on top of this in order to create the channel cavity.  Left and right fans power the exhaust.  It runs ultra cool ultra even when filled with regular Singles.

http://www.butterflylabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Tray_Configuration_w_cable_cutouts.png


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: imsaguy on April 29, 2012, 05:17:43 PM
It runs ultra cool ultra even when filled with regular Singles.

So you've got some already made?  How about pictures instead of renders then?


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Mousepotato on April 29, 2012, 05:28:41 PM
Wish I had the money for one of those  :P


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Jaryu on April 30, 2012, 03:57:09 AM
It runs ultra cool ultra even when filled with regular Singles.

So you've got some already made?  How about pictures instead of renders then?

Gotta call BS on this one.  I have a rev three that still requires (and came with) both top and bottom fans.  Their yields are nowhere near the point where they can claim tight enough tolerances if they're shipping these things.  I can't imagine putting just 2-5 of these marginal singles in a shared container.

it's easier to cool something(or lots of something) with more streamlined and efficient designs than small and tight since you have more room to work with.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Gomeler on April 30, 2012, 04:47:22 AM
It runs ultra cool ultra even when filled with regular Singles.

So you've got some already made?  How about pictures instead of renders then?

Gotta call BS on this one.  I have a rev three that still requires (and came with) both top and bottom fans.  Their yields are nowhere near the point where they can claim tight enough tolerances if they're shipping these things.  I can't imagine putting just 2-5 of these marginal singles in a shared container.

it's easier to cool something(or lots of something) with more streamlined and efficient designs than small and tight since you have more room to work with.

Plus I think I read in in one of the many BFL threads that the chips used in the Mini Rig would not be the same ones used in the Single.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Epoch on April 30, 2012, 04:58:28 AM
Another thread to follow ...


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: P4man on April 30, 2012, 05:56:27 AM
Actually, the design does have a heat evacuation wind tunnel at each layer.  The upper section of each tray has an isolated heat channel that collects hot air as it's drawn up from the radiator fins where it's blown out in exhaust.

First of all, The individual board fans are much too close to the tray above it; depending on what kind of fan you use, you could be losing as much as 50% airflow from that alone, while generating more noise too. Just try it, take some case fan, hold a paper 10 cm above it, and see (and hear) what happens.

Also most the exhaust (side) fans are actually fighting with the board fans; I assume they suck air out, but they do so below the board fans (ie, hot air, which is good) but also above those fans, ie, they also suck out relatively cool air and while doing so fight the individual board fans, further depriving them from airflow.

Now Im not saying it wont work, they may run cool as cucumbers,  but if they do, you could have achieved the same or better with less fans and noise using a better design IMO. And to be honest, going by the results of the singles which seem to overheat in anything but an airconditioned DC, I cant say Im confident.

You guys seem to be quite competent engineers in your areas of expertise making awesome products, but for system/cooling design, Id really consider getting some outside help, or at least inspiration from other designs.



Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Gomeler on April 30, 2012, 06:32:50 AM
Actually, the design does have a heat evacuation wind tunnel at each layer.  The upper section of each tray has an isolated heat channel that collects hot air as it's drawn up from the radiator fins where it's blown out in exhaust.

First of all, The individual board fans are much too close to the tray above it; depending on what kind of fan you use, you could be losing as much as 50% airflow from that alone, while generating more noise too. Just try it, take some case fan, hold a paper 10 cm above it, and see (and hear) what happens.

Also most the exhaust (side) fans are actually fighting with the board fans; I assume they suck air out, but they do so below the board fans (ie, hot air, which is good) but also above those fans, ie, they also suck out relatively cool air and while doing so fight the individual board fans, further depriving them from airflow.

Now Im not saying it wont work, they may run cool as cucumbers,  but if they do, you could have achieved the same or better with less fans and noise using a better design IMO. And to be honest, going by the results of the singles which seem to overheat in anything but an airconditioned DC, I cant say Im confident.

You guys seem to be quite competent engineers in your areas of expertise making awesome products, but for system/cooling design, Id really consider getting some outside help, or at least inspiration from other designs.



From the render it would appear they are attempting to use a heatsink that was meant for a single unit airflow and drop that in to what is basically a multi-processor airflow. Air should flow in and flow out in one path. 90 degree turns in airflow create the type of turbulence you don't want in a rig. They need a new heatsink for mini-rig applications. Cooling 80w on what appear to be a pair of gigantic IHS is not a difficult problem.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: BR0KK on April 30, 2012, 09:51:58 AM
Do i see a Raspberry P inside the RIG ?  The one PCB looks like one :D


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: norulezapply on April 30, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
Do i see a Raspberry P inside the RIG ?  The one PCB looks like one :D

Yes I was about to post this.

They are using a Raspberry Pi in the mini rig.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: BR0KK on April 30, 2012, 12:33:39 PM
And thats an explanation why it takes so long to get the rigs assembled. Raspberry Pi is not easy to get :D


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: norulezapply on April 30, 2012, 12:51:42 PM
And thats an explanation why it takes so long to get the rigs assembled. Raspberry Pi is not easy to get :D

Indeed, especially since it's still one per customer!


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on April 30, 2012, 01:13:31 PM
I am very happy they posted it in a new thread, looking forward to receiving my Mini-rig.

BFL haters: get out of here!
Spamers writing "Subed" Get a life!


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Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Scared on April 30, 2012, 01:15:56 PM
I am very happy they posted it in a new thread, looking forward to receiving my Mini-rig.

BFL haters: get out of here!
Spamers writing "Subed" Get a life!


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Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on April 30, 2012, 01:18:20 PM
Regarding the water block, your website says:
A much requested water block option is coming for both single and mini rig owners.  Here’s a look at the pre production prototype.

Will this be sold as an optional accessory ? and what price range can we expect ?

It would be an Utopia to be able to run the Mini-Rig in the same room as I sleep. Although I assume some exhaust fans will still be needed to exhaust the heat from the power circuitry ?

Also the tubing has some cable on it, is this pressure sensor or water flow sensor ?

It looks to be a flow sensor.  I doubt they would be including that with each single though as they tend to be expensive ($20 to $40).  Most people buying water cooled singles would be buying more than 1 making multiple flow sensors kinda redundant.  

Good to see them doing some flow testing on the block though.

So BFL how much resistance does the water block have?  Crazy water coolers want to know. :)


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: psahx on May 01, 2012, 07:14:27 AM
I am very happy they posted it in a new thread, looking forward to receiving my Mini-rig.

BFL haters: get out of here!
Spamers writing "Subed" Get a life!


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Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: norulezapply on May 01, 2012, 11:44:43 AM
I am very happy they posted it in a new thread, looking forward to receiving my Mini-rig.

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Spamers writing "Subed" Get a life!


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Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: 1l1l11ll1l on May 02, 2012, 12:42:18 AM
I am very happy they posted it in a new thread, looking forward to receiving my Mini-rig.

BFL haters: get out of here!
Spamers writing "Subed" Get a life!


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Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: rjk on May 02, 2012, 12:43:48 AM
What's this thread about, again?


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: imsaguy on May 02, 2012, 01:23:47 AM
What's this thread about, again?

subed


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: norulezapply on May 02, 2012, 08:39:37 AM

Dunno, but i've subed


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: dirtycat on May 02, 2012, 09:07:55 AM

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Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Garr255 on May 03, 2012, 05:47:50 AM
I am very happy they posted it in a new thread, looking forward to receiving my Mini-rig.

BFL haters: get out of here!
Spamers writing "Subed" Get a life!


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If I ever see you I'm giving you a hi-five for that haha.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: bitscoins on May 06, 2012, 12:07:47 PM
If this product, not a mini rig, but a rig modular.
The spec will not be 25.2Gh/s in 1250W.
In the picture suppose accommodate 12bfl single rev3, then 830MH/s x 12 and 80W x12 = about 10GH/s and 1000W

Correct or am I wrong?  ???




Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: rjk on May 06, 2012, 12:20:15 PM
If this product, not a mini rig, but a rig modular.
The spec will not be 25.2Gh/s in 1250W.
In the picture suppose accommodate 12bfl single rev3, then 830MH/s x 12 and 80W x12 = about 10GH/s and 1000W

Correct or am I wrong?  ???
The same enclosure is supposed to be useable for the mini-rig components as well as the Single boards, so yeah it could be as low as 10Gh/s and 1000 watts.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: jddebug on May 11, 2012, 04:19:41 AM
BFL, do you have a price yet for the enclosure itself? I'd kind of like to put my singles in one box. Very handy.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: DiabloD3 on May 11, 2012, 05:51:50 AM

Subed


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Philj on May 11, 2012, 11:22:02 AM
I may as well be subed too


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Internet151 on May 11, 2012, 05:52:17 PM

This thread is now about bunnies with pancakes on their head.

http://www.blogsmithcdn.com/avatar/images/319/4894438_50.jpg


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Garr255 on May 12, 2012, 01:56:05 AM
Agreed. Resubed.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: imsaguy on May 12, 2012, 04:23:51 AM

Witnessed.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: P_Shep on May 12, 2012, 04:37:58 AM
Subbed

http://www.cutelittlefactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/yellow-submarine.jpg


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Garr255 on May 12, 2012, 04:58:38 AM

Luled


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Unacceptable on May 12, 2012, 10:29:43 PM
If your gonna use a yellow sub,then get it right ;D

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/Yellowsubmarine.jpg


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: dave3 on May 13, 2012, 09:46:25 AM
This thread is now about bunnies with pancakes on their head.

I don't need to "sub" but I like both Butterfly labs and bunnies with pancakes on their head, so here I am.

Anyway, while the enclosure looks nice, for Singles I think I'd prefer to keep them in their separate stock enclosures, for more flexibility and possibly better cooling.  And without the extra expense.


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Garr255 on May 14, 2012, 06:08:23 AM
If your gonna use a yellow sub,then get it right ;D

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/Yellowsubmarine.jpg
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Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: Garr255 on May 14, 2012, 06:10:20 AM
Anyway, while the enclosure looks nice, for Singles I think I'd prefer to keep them in their separate stock enclosures, for more flexibility and possibly better cooling.  And without the extra expense.

Have you considered taking the singles out of the cases and stack them with risers?


Title: Re: Coming soon...
Post by: dave3 on May 14, 2012, 07:17:10 AM
Have you considered taking the singles out of the cases and stack them with risers?

I'm still waiting for mine to be shipped... any day now.

That's an interesting thought, but the single's case looks ok to me, unless you'd need to do it for cooling purposes.