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Some may know that Venezuela has a limit on how much USD each citizen can purchase per Year. It is called el Cupo Cadivi. We are in the final stages of completing the first platform that allows our friends from Venezuela to purchae BTC using their national currency Bolivares fuertes.

Residentes de Venezuela: Buscamos socios  en Caracas y Maracaibo con cuentas de Mercantil y Banesco. Ya se acabara pronto el abuso del gobierno contra ustedee amigos mios. En la union esta la fuerza.

Maria.

Nice job! Good luck for the government to limit how much bitcoins someone can have

Justamente ayer estaba pensando en si sería buena idea informar a la gente del grupo de intercambio de Lechuga Verde sobre los bitcoins para ver si podía generar un interés en ellos y servir como intermediario para su compra, no tengo tantos acumulados y como no tengo cuenta en el extranjero se me hace difícil comprarlos, además de que no le vería mucho provecho sin cobrar intereses altos y la idea tampoco es desplumar a la gente.
 
Esta es una idea fantástica y me encantaría ayudar en la medida de lo posible, vivo en Caracas y poseo cuentas tanto en Mercantil como en Banesco. Envíame un mensaje privado con la información y para ponernos en contacto y bueno, en caso de que no pueda ayudarlos, de todos modos espero que su servicio sea un éxito, yo personalmente sería un cliente desde el primer día.

In case anyone else is curious about our predicament, the problem is basically that currently there are no methods whatsoever to purchase Bitcoins directly here in Venezuela, there is a huge underground community of people doing black market exchanges because we have to jump through hoops to even get our "assigned" dollars in the first place, opening a foreign bank account is not an option for most people, we can't use money transfer services such as Western Union, etc. No one here knows about Bitcoins either though, but I'm sure they'd be a success in the only community where I do currency exchanges and would quickly take off for people who need money to do online purchases but don't have their own credit cards or they've already spent their yearly allotment.

If and when this actually happens, it will please me immensely. It warms my heart to see Bitcoin enabling liberty in regions of tyranny (whether USSA or Venezuela ;) )

Maria, please keep us updated on this. Also, you are aware of BitInstant's new cash deposits via Boleto in Brazil? Perhaps that will be of use to you.

Sadly there isn't any similar system to the Boleto Bancario in place here. I'd say the only valid methods would be bank deposits, transfers, cash and possibly some sort of payment service via SMS or calls such as Dialcoin offers. Opening an organized exchange here could be an extremely profitable venture, there is a sizeable segment of the population that already turns to online currency exchangers to fund their online purchases, send money overseas, etc. so that's a huge pool of potential users right there.

Pardon me for perhaps being naive... but doesn't Venezuela border Brazil? Would it not be possible to set up a network using BitInstant's Boleto system in a Brazil town on one side of the border, and an exchange in Venezuela on the other side of the border?

Then sell Bitcoins for bolivar in Venezuela, then exchange bolivar for reals in Venezuela or Brazil, then deposit those in Brazil via BitInstant/Boleto to buy more Bitcoins.

I believe Argentina borders Brazil also right? And aren't they also having a bit of a currency crisis? Implement the same system there :)

Sure, that's possible. I personally don't have the resources to set up a network and for my small purchases I've never needed to, also it's nearly impossible to find an official exchanger here, so it'd have to be done all through the black market or send bolivars and have them exchanged there. You're on the right track though, I've advised some friends with accounts overseas to simply use them to purchase coins and then use those to fund their purchases when convenient and people are still willing to send deposits or transfers to your foreign bank accounts for bolivars, but we also have restrictions on dollars for traveling purposes and have to get approved beforehand for them, so taking a trip to set up some accounts also gets complicated and I'm getting a headache just thinking about it.

It's usually possible to find someone who at least is willing to sell you LR online here (but never a lot) for bolivars though and then just exchange those. That's why I'm interested in helping out María, theoretically they'd already have a network set up and would know how to exchange their bolivars for whichever currency they prefer.

I would absolutely love to see an exchange where people of Venezuela can exchange bolivar to other currencies. My gf is from Venezuela and has told me how difficult it is to use bolivar to get usd... the black market rate is horrible.

I would love to hear more updates Maria and am anxious to see your project up and running.

maria, here in the uk I am also limited in the amount of currency I can obtain because I am on a state pension with no assets and no savings and no private pension. Its called being poor- a situation I am sure many venezualians know even more than us. So I quantative ease (illegal for private persons=counterfeiting) but ok for central authorities. BUT I can mine BTC and no one knows even who I am! I can convert to fiat and generally benefit myself and my family. Mining is the answer. reg

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Nice work! Every corner or the world covered, no matter how small will help this revolution immensely.

Actually, being poor is a state of mind. You have nobody but yourself to blame for your poverty and misfortune. If you change your mindset, you can get back on the money track as soon as possible.

In Venezuela, even if you change your mindset, the government enforces poverty. That is the difference.

Maria.

So true :)

(even if there's no government perfect in this regard, even in UK...

I thought I had shown by outlining the problem and showing my solution (mining) that I had now the mindset to cope better with my circumstances as others can do anywhere. However I implied (I thought) that the Venesualian government is no different from any other- they all impose poverty so it is not different! The solution is no government and BTC empowers anyone to take back their autonomy via firstly control their own value from their labour and secondly to only support social systems they approve. These had been taken by all authoritarian regiemes and it still the case. However BTC is the only method I have come across to counter this and is why I support it enthusiastically. reg

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Tengo una pequena inversion que me esta generando unos 2.8Gh (con un proximo incremento a 3.8Gh) en Valencia, me parece buena tu idea, si necesitas ayuda PM me. ;)

I would like to buy BTC with BsF. How soon can this be done?

Who is "We"?

Are you talking about your alt-ID "CoinExchanger"?

Not sure this would be feasible in the long run. The borders between the countries are somewhat porous, but you're introducing an unknown variable if the whole thing is dependent on someone physically moving back and forth across the border to get the local currency out and BTC in.

A local, face to face bitcoin exchange like localbitcoins.com seems a lot better, IMO. This is especially true in the case of Argentina, where there are now limits to how many USD you can buy, and there are controls on the exchange rate between the USD and the peso. There's a lot of money to be made by anyone who would take physical pesos in exchange for BTC through a local, decentralised exchange. There aren't any laws concerning BTC yet in either country, nor are they likely to be forthcoming in the near future. And for Argentines and Venezuelans, particularly for those who wish to travel abroad and aren't allowed to leave the country with more than a fixed amount of USD, this would be a boon.

Would be good for Bitcoin as well.

Population density close to the border is way too low to sustain such a thing, IMHO. Take a look at this image (http://www.igeo.ufrj.br/fronteiras/pesquisa/fronteira/mapa1densidadeB.JPG). The lighter color means less than 5 people per squared kilometer. It's basically just jungle over there.

So, many people crossing over is just not going to happen. And a few people working as intermediaries is dangerous (the intermediary may run away with your cash, or call too much attention to himself and end up being caught). I know, drug dealers do this all the time, but well, they're drug dealers. They may charge a huge price for their services and still sell their product. I don't think the same applies for cash conversion.

Exactly. If the Venezuelan situation is anything like the Argentine one, there are enough people in the country who already have US-based bank accounts (illegal as it may be for them to have them). All it takes is for a few of them to be willing to buy BTC, then sell them locally, for a nice premium.

Alternately, any Venezuelans with relatives or friends in the US, Canada or Europe could easily set up a system whereby the foreign resident buys BTC and sends them over for them to sell locally, instead of having their relatives wire them money via Western Union or PayPal, for instance.

the amount of time and money for a trip to the border with Brazil is too much for what it really would win, you would have to sell many BTC in Brazil to make it profitable, land transport services in my country suck, we do not have a railway system to get you there and the plane tickets are outrageously expensive (everything is calculated at a dollar price of nine times above the local currency) is much less loss if it sells the BTC for bank transfers in dollars and use them to change them to local currency if needed, but like everything here is imported is more practical to have dollars and buy whatever you need from outside.

The only thing really here is to generate BTC and only if you do it with a system based on fuel generator because electricity is subsidized and there are many electrical outages (depending on the area where you live) I personally have my mining operation that way and is a super efficient my 4000W generator only consumes me like $ 10 a month on gas calculate on that 9x echange rate on black market  ;D
the really hard part is to buy hardware parts por rigs or anything of electronics is very hard to buy because you need to import it from miami (which have better shipping price that any other neighboring country) and that takes time, also the other hard part is to actually exchange the BTC to $ or any other currency since almost every exchange works very well if you are US or EU citizen (at leas if you want to get low fees) everything else is well.... complicated.

phantitox, Do you have any BTC to sell currently?

Gracias por desarrollar este negocio. Creo que hay un gran crecimiento en América Latina!  :)

Estoy de acuerdo. Mi familia siempre está buscando maneras de enviar dólares a los estados.

Not now, im making some hardware upgrades right now. but I'm organizing my account to star a BTC>BsF. exchange soon   :)

Thank you sir. Please let me know when you are ready.

is that you in that picture?  if so, you're beautiful.

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/aishwarya-rai.jpg

No, it's CoinExchanger who is pretending to be a woman. (Scammers think that by representing themselves as female, they will become more trustworthy and innocent looking).

If I remember right, we already had one cash exchanger from Venezuela at localbitcoins.com

(Sorry the site haven't been lately updated. We are doing a bigger update).

Ask Charlie, he has met Maria in real life
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84042.msg952341#msg952341 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84042.msg952341#msg952341)

We are beta! www.lechugafeliz.com is the first bfs to bitcoin in the community. Suggestions are welcome!

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100 Test BTC. More available by request.

Maria.

No te fies mucho, hay gente por aqui que no tiene planes muy limpios. Lo mejor es hacerlo por ti mismo, contacta con familiares que tienes fuera y que te hechen una mano. Explicales lo que es bitcoin y lo mismo tienes suerte de empezar el envio de dinero a traves de bitcoin hacia fuera o dentro del pais. Un saludo desde España :)

+1000 totalmente de acuerdo

Si paraipan, es el sourcecode de coinexchanger, pero modificado para el uso de los venezolanos y america latina. Aun estamos en etapa beta asi q por el momento los detalles esteticos no son la prioridad. Lo que si me gustaria es que probaras la pagina y me dijeras que opinas sobre el funcionamiento. Gracias paraipan.

Hola Maria
Use el codigo de prueba en la pagina y todo bien.
El hecho de que esten en beta nose si implica que tengan varios problemas de funcionamiento o si es algo solamente estetico.  Los valores de compra y venta no son los correctos (el codigo para simplemente jalarlos de mtgox es algo sumamente facil).  Otra cosa que note es que al hacer login y equivocarse la contrasena un par de veces, te bloquean la cuenta.  Al pedir un mail para cambiar la contrasena, nunca mandan el mail (ojo: los otros mails si los mandan, incluyendo un tal login pin que nose que uso tiene).  Cuando pongo un codigo de confirmacion para cambiar la contrasena, ponga lo que ponga, es aceptado.  En otras palabras, ya no puedo entrar almenos que cree otra cuenta.
Se que los 100BTC son de prueba, pero el mensaje que tengo para retirar fondos no suguiere funcionamiento, me hace entender que no hay manera de sacar fondos.  Si quiero retirar dolares americanos, no hay conversion automatica, en otras palabras, estoy forzado a usar lechugafeliz para la compra y venta?

Looks cool! Wish I could read spanish!! :)

Hola Vicente y gracias por tomarte el tiempo de probar la pagina. Si, beta significa errores de todo tipo pero faciles de corregir.
El precio aqui no depende de mtgox sino mas bien, es calculado del promedio de todas las ordenes disponibles al momento.

Voy a arreglar de inmediato lo de los emails.

el codigo q tienes es de 100 btc.. con eso solo puedes poner ordenes de venta, los puedes vender los 100 a 20 USD por ejemplo..

solo se convertiran en USD cuando alguien acepte tu orden. Si quieres pon una orden y yo con mi balance en USD te la voy a comprar.

Saludos!

Excelente.  Pude vender los Bitcoins.  Para poder atraer mas gente, porque no usar tambien mtgox codes?  Sobre lo de los mails, ahora si los recibo, pero hay un problem que sigue.  Cuando una cuenta es bloqueada por fallar la contrasena varias veces, pide que pongas un codigo de confirmacion que te llega por correo.  El problem es que pongas lo que pongas sale un mensaje de aceptado.  Pero en realidad solo es aceptado si pones el codigo que recibes por el correo.
Luego intente sacar los $ que consegui por liberty reserve  ::) :P ;D ;D
pero salio esto:

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Fatal error: Call to a member function setFrom() on a non-object in /home/lechugat/public_html/core/functions.php on line 327

Me olvide de mencionar, cuando hize withdraw a liberty reserve, los fondos fueron restados a pesar del error

Gracias Vicente otra vez por fijarte en esos detalles muy importantes. Ya estamos trabajando en los arreglos. Voy a darte mas codigios valorados en USD y BTC para q pruebes de ambos lados. Gracias de corazon!

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Un gusto ayudar! Lo probare hoy mas tarde  ;D

Same old coinexchanger/chesscoin backend with a translation on top. Still no market charts or orderbook anywhere, just an opaque exchange rate. <-- It's there, my eyes fail. At least when I signed up this time, the balance was empty instead of being $300+ with no way to withdraw. ::)

Yay! I was able to deposit fake money and lose it by attempting to trade with it. Exciting!

Oh and:



And the https certificate was issued to "usdleader.net", which has no records.

Gracias RJK por el feedback. Estamos aun probando la plataforma y por eso es q aun los metodos de retiro via Liberty reserve y bitcoin no funcionan.

El order book esta justo debajo de la interface donde pones ordenes de compra y venta. Estamos trabajando en la grafica.

Gracias nuevamente por tomarte el tiempo y probar!

@Phantotix Si necesito ayuda desde adentro, conoces el grupo de lechuga verde? Tambien si sabes PHP podemos trabajar. Exito

Oh, my eyes fail I see it now.

Nice to see other people tearing down walls  ;D

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Giacias a todos los que han participado! Acabamos de añadir un foro (www.lechugafeliz.com/foro) el cual vamos a usar para ir creando una comunidad y poder ayudarnos unos a otros. Estamos abiertos a criticas y sugerencias de cualquier tipo! Ya pronto el gran lanzamiento de lechugafeliz.com

PD. Gente de Venezuela por favor comuniquense conmigo para hablar de la estrategia de negocio q tenemos planificada. Exito a todos!

Maria Feliz.

Thanks.

I visited Venezuela in 2002 two people I met from there are now in TX, and OR.

the official rate was 1800 or so at the time I was getting upto 3000-3500 per dollar from a guy i who was at the same hotel, working on the same project as me, he said he wasn't getting a profit, just doing it as a favor. 

I still have some contacts down there.  I'll let them know, not sure how into bitcoin they will be.

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That was before they switched over to bolivares fuertes, now the exchange is 1 USD = 9.2 Bs
If you can still contact them and see if they have local bank accounts in Venezuela then they can definitely help us out. I am heading to Venezuela tomorrow morning to meet up with some interested parties. In the meantime, please keep testing and reporting. Any PHP programmer that wish to help the cause is welcome!

Maria Feliz.

Ah... pero busca "Franklin Brito" → estaba un dueño de una granja en su pais. Chavez robo el de su tierra. UFF!

Pobre viejo, estiro la pata esperando que le devolvieran su tierra, le dejaron fue la risa del Izarra :-/

Acabo de ver unos videos en youtube sobre el Sr. Brito y es un caso extremadamente triste. El Sr. Brito era muy inteligente y elocuente y profundo de pensamiento. Hablaba la verdad y con sabiduria.

Gracias por su sensibilidad ☺

If you live in Caracas it can be done this week, in my opinion.

whats your rate for BsF>BTC ?

I have people in Porlamar.

It depends on my contacts there. I would not do it directly. I will try to report
more on it in this thread if Maria does not object.

The island? That is not close to Caracas, if I am right.

no is not close to caracas at least not on car, on plane is like 45mins

I am pretty sure you would not want to be involved in my plan.

I made friends in Barcelona/
I stayed here for a month

https://maps.google.com/maps/place?ftid=0x8c2d1337bd1d1689:0x2af60d5f027cbe57&q=10.056026,-64.723881&ved=0CA4Q-gswAA&sa=X&ei=_YT-T771BJPXiAL23LzyBg&sig2=nKqmPhdgY98kyuvjIjM5WQ

Tengo un venezolano que todos los meses debe pagar u$s 300 para cursar gastronomía en el mi país (ARG). Venezuela ha recientemente extremado sus prohibiciones (en Argentina vamos por ese camino tambien :-(. La pregunta es, hay gente en Venezuela que esté dispuesta a vender Bitcoins todos los meses como para que pueda realizarnos el pago en dicha moneda?