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The Shadow community voiced concerns about blocknet and the SDC dev team listened and pulled out of it. Shadow has yet to see a major pump despite all of the innovations developed there. If anyone is looking for a project to recoup their losses come check out Shadow. Zero knowledge will be live on the testnet very soon and will be another first for crypto. The first zero knowledge crytpocurrency will have a legendary rise, it might even be on par with Bitcoin. Shadow's zero knowledge update will be the single biggest advancement in cryptocurrency history outside of the development of Satoshi's Bitcoin. SDC devs are just wrapping up documentation for it. You won't have any issues with pre-mine or dev dumping at Shadow either.

The idea for a zero knowledge cryptocurrency was called out by the cypherpunk prophet Tim Mays in 1992:

"The technology for this revolution--and it surely will be both a social and economic revolution--has existed in theory for the past decade. The methods are based upon public-key encryption, zero-knowledge interactive proof systems, and various software protocols for interaction, authentication, and verification." - Tim Mays 1992

http://activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html

The days of of Tim Mays prophecy is upon us. Shadow will deliver what has been 24 years in the making. Make sure you're apart of history.  8)

I do not approve of this thread.

Let them miss out on this tech. If they don't have their eyes open already, why should we show them where to look?

I wouldn't buy Shadow if it were the last crypto on the planet because of the people that are involved in it. No thanks!

I wouldn't buy Shadow if it were the last crypto on the planet because of the people that are involved in it. No thanks!

You guys are the ones that go around fudding all the coins right? You have a bunch of Drama Queens in your coin. Maybe when they cash out, Ill take a look. I hear you support those guys.

I wouldn't buy Shadow if it were the last crypto on the planet because of the people that are involved in it. No thanks!

Im not in Blocknet. I remember back in the cloak days you guys were fudding then too. If its for good reason ,, then fine but you guys fud the competition to help your coin. Remember when you were the PR guy for cloak and you guys were fudding Dark? Stop that crap.

Im just saying shadow might have done well but I think its the negativity and drama seeking from you and pookie that has kept people away. I even saw your fud team featured on cryptocoinnews lol. You have like what 5 btc volume a day? You chased away all your customers.

TROLLS ROYCE aka "Coolstoryteller", you were on the Cloak dev team as the head PR guy. That was the biggest crock of shit in crypto. All vapor ware. Why should I listen to you now? After you told us POSA was for real and breakthrough anonymous technology, now you want us to believe this? Read the boy who cried wolf. Your word means nothing. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice......

You and Pookie own the majority of the coins. You just want to unload your bags.


https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/stealthcoin-price-plummets-amid-overt-community-chaos/

"Analysis: The Stealthcoin price decline is a classic case of community FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) caused by investors with shaky hands and coin rivalries. Despite frequent developer protests, many altcoin holders spam the threads for other altcoins to try to disparage the coins and increase the standing of their own coin (and by extension their own investments). The current feud primarily involves ShadowCash trolls, another privacy-centric altcoin competing for the same investors as Stealthcoin (ShadowCash developer Rynomster has admonished the trolls for their actions). At present, the Stealthcoin thread on BitcoinTalk is in chaos. Only time will tell if investors double down on their Stealthcoin investments or jump ship for another coin."

Fud is a shitty word used by idiots.

Everything brought up to the toxic xst community and its dev was real and it actually helped the dev. But because the majority of this community now is mostly a pack of idiots who attack anyone who have any questions they don't understand or bring up bugs they feel will hurt their precocious market. They do this because a lot of these projects are crap and were just pumps to begin with.. I mean thats why everyone is hanging around like fiens in the first place! They wouldn't keep pumping these coins if they weren't removing the btc from your pockets!

You may get some gains but thats how it works you are allowed to then pump the next coin with them slowly but surely removing all your money from you until you are all killing each other and none of you're left!

That is why you bring up shitty arguments like it actually even matters to anyone with half a brain. You are killing yourselves with garbage, desperate, misguided realities!
xst community did all that to themselves by the way they treated critical analyisis.
Lets be clear on that first because bringing it up as an argument is't extremely stupid as is linking to that pathetic site of lies in the first place. Don't you know?

No one is scared away at all and you are dragging up immaterial rubish to attack someone and blame it on Shadow! cmon!?

Shadow project is by far the best project out there. It has not done a deal with a pump crew and its market will grow organically and sustain whatever heights it gets. It wont fall later because of all the dark dirty secretes and failures these other projects seem to be filled with because they got taken over by criminals! some even may have started out with good intent but then money poisoned them!
Shadow core dev team are extremely talented, modest, extremely protect and funded. This is not a game for most of us nor is it to the core dev team they are just pumping out industry firsts, they have and will continue to blow everyone away with their tech. Its tech is being used already in most of the shitcoins you waste your money on right now. It will be no different then using bitcoin code one day either!

See a wise man once taught me, if you are getting into a pump on the way up its already to late to have made big profit.. You should be getting in on the bottom. Most of you are buy high sell low then do desperate things to recoup totally losing all integrity you ever had to begin with!

Shadow has better tech then any project here it has made more relevant firsts then any project here and will continue to do it long after you have move on. This is about our future not about some 10% profit you want to take from some shitcoins and risk losing much more!

Take a look at it.. You cant deny it and don't start up again about how you think from some stories you have heard, from some shitheads who are desperate to keep the scamcoin they love running so they can get out safley. Has any impact on its future at all!

Its heavy displacement tech and its like teflon to fools! It has and will continue to set a high standard not only for its tech but its community who do not fill its ANN thread with bs memes and big red letters containing price speculation. It doesn't need to because it has nothing to hide and its ANN thread is an approachable environment, one that you can easily sift through to get some good info from!
ZK is going to change a lot of things most notably one day it may just change the way you think and interact with the Internet and no foll can take that away form it or the world!

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I was in the cloak irc with you trolls. What are you talking about? I was in there everyday lol You are talking out your ass. You are saying you weren't the head PR guy? The guy that made the cloak website?

I talked to trolls all the time back then. I know who he is lol

SDC is run by a few major bagholders who will kill the coin on the first opportunity they get after a pump. Why would anyone invest in this, unless they actually wanted to lose their money?

I don't know this name. But I knew most of the people that were in there. Theoretical gave some awesome chart reading lessons lol Dark Proton too. I loved all those guys. Great times. Don't try to fud me now lol What is up with that?

SDC is run by a few major bagholders who will kill the coin on the first opportunity they get after a pump. Why would anyone invest in this, unless they actually wanted to lose their money?

Thats not even remotely accurate. sdc is run by a mature, patient community who do not waver to such drama and rubbish like you are projecting. The truth always and i mean ALWAYS comes out..have you seen this lately?
Just one of many revelations to surface soon you can bet on it! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841223.0

See you just made my point for me. There you go again with the drama. I don't own xc halcyon blocknet stealth or any of those. I didn't know XC made hal but who cares? Whats the point that he had a pump group? Ask Trolls about Cloak TNAX. If you put half the energy into your coin as you do fud,, you would be a lot further ahead. I don't believe everything I read and because you guys do it so often I don't think anyone else does either. This isn't middle school. Grow the fuck up.

Btw Shadow devs invented Stealthaddresses added by mostly every anon coin to date.

Shadowcash, isn't it's dev the same as that scam coin called blackcoin?

I'm not going to argue about the dramatic bullshit, but the above statement made by OP is clearly false, unless Peter Todd and/or the bytecoin developers are working on shadowcash, which I'm pretty sure is not the case.

Here's a link to an article from January crediting Peter Todd for bringing the concept to bitcoin: http://www.coindesk.com/stealth-addresses-secret-bitcoin-privacy/

Also, bytecoin used stealth addresses in conjunction with ring signatures since late last year (2013) in a non-bitcoin clone, or two years before that if you believe the hype.

Vertcoin was the first altcoin to implement stealth addresses in the core qt-wallet of any altcoin based on the btc codebase, before shadowcoin existed, and execoin also implemented them in an electrum based wallet I think before shadowcash existed.

So who invented stealth addresses on the shadowcash team and when? ???

I'm not going to argue about the dramatic bullshit, but the above statement made by OP is clearly false, unless Peter Todd and/or the bytecoin developers are working on shadowcash, which I'm pretty sure is not the case.

Here's a link to an article from January crediting Peter Todd for bringing the concept to bitcoin: http://www.coindesk.com/stealth-addresses-secret-bitcoin-privacy/

Also, bytecoin used stealth addresses in conjunction with ring signatures since late last year (2013) in a non-bitcoin clone, or two years before that if you believe the hype.

Vertcoin was the first altcoin to implement stealth addresses in the core qt-wallet of any altcoin based on the btc codebase, before shadowcoin existed, and execoin also implemented them in an electrum based wallet I think before shadowcash existed.

So who invented stealth addresses on the shadowcash team and when? ???

Shadow did not invent Stealth Addresses. No where did the SDC dev team claimed to have done so. Vertcoin's stealth addresses were closed source.

Shadow did implement the first in-protocol dual key stealth addresses. In fact you can use it in the daemon cmd "sendtostealthaddress" you don't need a QT. The influx of coins with Stealth Addresses is a direct result of Shadow open sourcing it and has nothing to do with Vertcoin.

This thread is to highlight a major advancement in cryptocurrency (zero knowledge) not mindless bash the efforts made at Shadow. But hey this is Bitcointalk and people could care less about advancements and more about trolling.

I did. And you are correct, Monero is not zero-knowledge. But I contend that the shadow developers (probably) do not actually have any zero-knowledge technology.

I have some purely a priori logical reasoning, and I also have some experience from the field of mathematics under my belt to support my conjecture. First: if ring signatures work the way everyone in the mathematical community thinks they should, then why bother implementing zero-knowledge proofs? Easy answer: ring sigs aren't zero-knowledge, and are simply highly resistant to blockchain analysis, not immune to blockchain analysis. ZK would still be better to use, after all, even if ring sig technology works the way it's supposed to, unless the costs/constraints to using ZK tech overwhelms the benefits.

Second: if they have ZK technology that actually works, with more advantages than disadvantages, why bother implementing ring sigs? Ring sigs are huge compared to normal digital signatures, complicated in terms of implementation as a developer, and cause a big UTXO-set bloat. If you have ZK tech, ring sigs are not just a waste of time and money to implement, it's a waste of space on the network.

Ok, so maybe these developers are using a Zerocash-style[1] system in which the basecoins are ring-signature based (already obfuscating the block chain). What happens? Size and speed of the protocol explode and all of a sudden we have a massive blockchain and a super slow network. Conclusion: Shadow doesn't have ZK tech under their belt, they are simply going to implement ring sigs and walk away while chuckling.

So, that's my a priori reasoning. Here's the experience from mathematics that supports my conjecture: ZK tech is the holy grail of cryptocurrency, Zerocash[2] is pretty much the only place you'll find a decent protocol. And, as I said, in Zerocash, you still have two types of currency, the basecoin and the zerocoin; if the basecoin choice is a ring-sig based coin, Zerocash is going to blow up in size and speed to the point where it's no longer useful. Anyone trying to sell ZK to you right now is probably scamming you because efficient, secure algorithms that work in a robust, general setting do not yet really exist. But I could be wrong, I could be not-so-up-to-date on non-interactive zero-knowledge algorithms. So let's pretend I'm wrong about their suitability: we still shouldn't be using ZK tech in coins, not yet.

Non-interactive ZK cryptography is currently in very young stages of the technology. The first time any sort of generality was proven to be POSSIBLE was only 2006[3] . So even if these developers have discovered some brand new math research (later than 2011[4] for example), something that is much more efficient and powerful than current technology? All that means they are still using brand-new cryptography. And that's a huge no-no if you actually want to secure your shit. Tech that's been around for 20 years like ring signatures? It's stood the test of time, it's been given a few decades for people to look for avenues of attack. On the other hand, if you pull a random paper out from The Journal of Cryptography published some time in the last year and implement it, you could have every mathematician in the world read that paper, come to the conclusion that the tech is tight and cool. And then the next week some 17 year old in their basement could crack it. Something that's been around for decades has withstood and passed that test of time. ZK proofs sound all fancy and nice, but in reality, they could be no more secure than any system upon which they are built.

Finally: let's just presume for a moment that these folks are brilliant developers who have a great zerocash-style scheme going on, or maybe even some other version of NIZK proofs that are distinct from zerocash and magically small and fast (remember, you get what you pay for in terms of size and speed when you are talking anonymity; there is a tradeoff). These brilliant folks? They are setting their network up to be secured with proof-of-stake. No amount of ZK or ring sig technology can save the coin if you can rewrite the blockchain, and proof-of-stake is mathematically insecure[5] (that link sometimes doesn't work, so just google "Andrew Poelstra Proof of Stake" the paper is a few years old but is very very good).

Look, spend your money where you want. But if you put money into ZK technology now, you are giving your money to a complete genius, a liar, or a fool. Usually fools can't make cryptocurrencies and afaik no one has really made NIZK proofs feasible for currencies yet, so these people are scamming you. Shadow is likely just another pump-n-dump. ZK tech may become feasible in a year or a decade, but the state of technology as-is? ZK is not feasible for currency transactions because it's slow and big and new.

The proof is in the pudding, bro: they won't make available any technical papers describing what zero-knowledge proofs they are actually implementing. I have a zero-knowledge rock here on my desk, it'll do everything they describe in that article, and I, also, refuse to explain how this rock works. Send me money, too, and write articles about me!

Full conclusion: either these folks are just duplicating a ring-sig based protocol like Monero's cryptonote and calling it zero-knowledge to start a pump-n-dump, or these folks are smarter than all the other developers in the world.

If a Shadow developer wants to hop on here and chat about what they are actually implementing, I'd love to hear it, ask questions, and get to the root of this. All I would like to see is 1) an explanation of why doubling up on anonymity with both ring sigs and with NIZK proofs is a good idea and 2) a few technical papers describing how they are doing what they are doing. That would undermine a huge amount of my above argument, possibly all of it except the PoS stuff.

TLDR: non-interactive zero-knowledge technology is too young of a technology to be feasible in a cryptocurrency schemes, and anyone trying to tell you different is probably scamming you.

I quoted the OP who said "Btw Shadow devs invented Stealthaddresses..."

Here's a more detailed deconstruction of your bullshit from reddit than I can provide (that you guys failed to give any sort of technical response to):
http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2k6yu4/shadowcash_introduces_shadowsend_v2_featuring/clinbzk

I quoted the OP who said "Btw Shadow devs invented Stealthaddresses..."

Here's a more detailed deconstruction of your bullshit from reddit than I can provide (that you guys failed to give any sort of technical response to):
http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2k6yu4/shadowcash_introduces_shadowsend_v2_featuring/clinbzk

I am a firm believe that Zero Knowledge will never exist, or if it does release, it wont actually be true Zero Knowledge.  Its already been delayed, and it will get delayed again. Why do you think all these SDC trolls are out and about fudding all the other coins, because there is no progress being done with their coin so to consume their leisure time, they choose to blow up other communities. Stay away from SDC and their scumbag community

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Delayed? how? I don't remember anyone giving a firm date.. This is cutting edge tech here. There is no date it needs to be done by. It was not a contracted job paid by you so all you are doing is bringing up something immaterial to attack the projects integrity with..what a fool!

I don't need you to believe its happening i need you to wake up and stop throwing the same old shit everyone else does at this project! Because all i see is a bunch of fools trying to bash a coin thats not trying to get you to buy it but not saying anything on the coin forums that are blatant scams!

Thats not even remotely accurate. sdc is run by a mature, patient community who do not waver to such drama and rubbish like you are projecting. The truth always and i mean ALWAYS comes out..have you seen this lately?
Just one of many revelations to surface soon you can bet on it! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841223.0

september was supprosed to be the initial release. It is now November basically.... That is delayed

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwGZkikCYAA4Eut.png

It's very accurate. Trolls royce is a major "angel investor" the own 1.4 million coins and his friend Pookie owns more. Then there is you too. "i'm out I quite if it's in blockent" the cry baby who bag holds a fat bag too. Along with the dev almost 80% of the coin is controlled. Well If that isn't a pump and dump group. lol. The coin has no volume because these coins are not trading as they bulk are help by this guys. They would have to buy each others coin back and forth to make volume. They have test run this process a few times and got called for the manipulation. On top of all this the will buy a competitors coin on the low price and then dump all at once to crash it even at a loss and also send in alts and trolls to fud the coin at that moment to make it look like the fud is real. Everyone who reads these forums regularly know that these guys do this.


Has ShadowCoin/Cash/whatever its called now figured out the massive blaot and stall that comes with zerocoin (zk-snarks)? There is a reason the Zerocoin/cash team still hasnt released a working coin.

It's very accurate. Trolls royce is a major "angel investor" the own 1.4 million coins and his friend Pookie owns more. Then there is you too. "i'm out I quite if it's in blockent" the cry baby who bag holds a fat bag too. Along with the dev almost 80% of the coin is controlled. Well If that isn't a pump and dump group. lol. The coin has no volume because these coins are not trading as they bulk are help by this guys. They would have to buy each others coin back and forth to make volume. They have test run this process a few times and got called for the manipulation. On top of all this the will buy a competitors coin on the low price and then dump all at once to crash it even at a loss and also send in alts and trolls to fud the coin at that moment to make it look like the fud is real. Everyone who reads these forums regularly know that these guys do this.


Has ShadowCoin/Cash/whatever its called now figured out the massive blaot and stall that comes with zerocoin (zk-snarks)? There is a reason the Zerocoin/cash team still hasnt released a working coin.

It's very accurate. Trolls royce is a major "angel investor" the own 1.4 million coins and his friend Pookie owns more. Then there is you too. "i'm out I quite if it's in blockent" the cry baby who bag holds a fat bag too. Along with the dev almost 80% of the coin is controlled. Well If that isn't a pump and dump group. lol. The coin has no volume because these coins are not trading as they bulk are help by this guys. They would have to buy each others coin back and forth to make volume. They have test run this process a few times and got called for the manipulation. On top of all this the will buy a competitors coin on the low price and then dump all at once to crash it even at a loss and also send in alts and trolls to fud the coin at that moment to make it look like the fud is real. Everyone who reads these forums regularly know that these guys do this.


Has ShadowCoin/Cash/whatever its called now figured out the massive blaot and stall that comes with zerocoin (zk-snarks)? There is a reason the Zerocoin/cash team still hasnt released a working coin.

Here is a link to a thread that highlights a lot of the SDC boys trollsroyce (coolstoryteller) pookie (Boh) and longandshort SDC fanboy/troll and outright lies as well as Nazi deleting and sanitizing anything in their official thread that might even possible threaten to tarnish thier "baby" SDC. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818939.0

Tell us again how Shadowcoin release the 1st pos staking Android wallet. Great story except one thing. Its a lie. Go to the Android stor and look at the post date for SDC's and LibrexCoins. Librexcoins is a full 4 days earlier. These guys even paid "news" places to make fake releases stating that SDC's was 1st. How sick?

Who would invest in a coin that attacks other coins and manipulates markets to damage their value (often at losses just to do it) and lies about its developments and fabricates News stories to support it? Stay away from this demonic coin bagholder group.

Here is a link to a thread that highlights a lot of the SDC boys trollsroyce (coolstoryteller) pookie (Boh) and longandshort SDC fanboy/troll and outright lies as well as Nazi deleting and sanitizing anything in their official thread that might even possible threaten to tarnish thier "baby" SDC. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818939.0

Tell us again how Shadowcoin release the 1st pos staking Android wallet. Great story except one thing. Its a lie. Go to the Android stor and look at the post date for SDC's and LibrexCoins. Librexcoins is a full 4 days earlier. These guys even paid "news" places to make fake releases stating that SDC's was 1st. How sick?

Who would invest in a coin that attacks other coins and manipulates markets to damage their value (often at losses just to do it) and lies about its developments and fabricates News stories to support it? Stay away from this demonic coin bagholder group.

actually, i own 4.20 million sdc. which means they can't possibly own that much.

actually, i own 4.20 million sdc. which means they can't possibly own that much.

That was a beta piece of crap that taxed your battery. Shadow released a full version, optimized to not smash your battery and oh it also actually staked! What has stealthcoin and librex released since..thats right 0
you twits don't see the patern here do you?

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ZeroCash development has stalled in recent weeks, and no coin presently incorporates a finished product, although a “ZeroCoin” team is working towards releasing a coin based on the protocol. Additionally, ZeroCoin/ZeroCash also has what many consider to be a fatal flaw in the way it works. At launch, everyone using the network must trust the creator to destroy certain secret startup data. When a Zerocoin is minted, the coin is added as a valid member by a one-way cryptographic accumulator. In order to prove later that a given Zerocoin belongs to this set, during the initial setup of the accumulator, it is necessary to define a number N that is the product of two prime numbers P and Q. The N would be defined by a third-party, in the original Zerocash scheme. Though, if the prime numbers are large enough, it would be impossible for anyone to know what N is and thus, obtain knowledge of P and Q. If a party knew what N was, they could create their own accumulator and be able to make as many Zerocoins as possible.
The problem manifests with the total number of coins in a ZeroCash network. Since the total is obscured, it is impossible to know if the person who created the coin secretly kept this data, and with it the ability to create new coins at will.

If you do in which i doubt there is 6+ million SDC trolls owns 1.4 and no exact number is on the rest so that leaves 1 million coins own by everyone else according to you if pookie and longnshort own none at all. Still possible.

So if you really do own 4.20 (weed fan here) that is even worse for the coin. You could single handedly dump the coin to 1 sat and or cause a 51% attack. Your hurting their cause more than helping with you stupid fanboy bullshit.

Can you remind me again how much bitcoin satoshi owns? Shadow cant force people to buy it and its not saying its solved the distribution side of things as has no other coin so far! so cmon keep at it this game you are playing has been played by so many fools before you on other projects oh including bitcoin...but yeah keep it up we know you're great at working at something that will never succeed! but honestly i'm out now do your worst you make me sick..literally because you just don't have the first clue! I'm glad you left the shadow community actually you are a bit of a tossa!

ok how about zerocoins fatel flaw?  Epic fail.

but the difference is, satoshi was never in it for the money, he wanted to build something that would change the world. Altcoin investors are purely driven by monetary gains and thus, would dump their coins if it meant earning 10 million dollars or whatever it could amount to.

Some more Zerocoin info on Bloat. Did SDC Ryno figure all this out faster than noted phd's that created it?


Zerocoin is the most complex of the bunch. It uses a combination of digital commitments, one-way accumulators, zero-knowledge proofs, and some extensions to the existing bitcoin protocol to attain an extremely high level of anonymity. It’s difficult to translate all of this into simpler terms, but if you’re interesting in a more ‘technical’ explanation you can find it here.

Of course, such a high level of anonymity does not come without tradeoffs – zerocoin has a high amount of overhead. A zerocoin proof (344 bytes) is needed for each transaction, and stored within the blockchain for eternity. These proofs must be processed by network nodes, adding not only significant storage bloat, but computational requirements as well. Keep in mind that the average bitcoin transaction is about 400 bytes in size, so this is no small amount.

Zerocoin is not even released yet, so it could very well trim itself down before then. For reference, the first implementation used a 50kb proof… But in it’s current state, it doesn’t scale very well. It would function just fine as an altcoin, but if you were to scale the network up to bitcoin size, it’s likely too bloated for it to work. Also worth mentioning is that all the fancy math that zerocoin employs could also open the door for some sort of unforeseen exploit.

If you do in which i doubt there is 6+ million SDC trolls owns 1.4 and no exact number is on the rest so that leaves 1 million coins own by everyone else according to you if pookie and longnshort own none at all. Still possible.

So if you really do own 4.20 (weed fan here) that is even worse for the coin. You could single handedly dump the coin to 1 sat and or cause a 51% attack. Your hurting their cause more than helping with you stupid fanboy bullshit.

durrrr thats why sdc markets are the way they are...fuck you are a dumb cunt i swear. Yes i'm using foul abuse but you mate are a dead set fucking dropkick and deserver it all!

Shadow is in no way impatient nor is the community doing back room deals with stupid pump groups for a quick pump..it always fails and every one almost have all sucumbed to failure because people cant keep their mouths shut...shadow devs just work and if they were in it for money they would not be here they would be working for giants like microsoft ect etc they do it because they want to build something for their kids and help someone somewhere in the world..all you want to do is throw mud at them..shame on you! stupid stupid kid!

thanks for the reply, but I stand firm here and think SDC would be a bad investment choice for any investor whether new or experienced based on the current distribution of wealth. You have filthy pigs that hold probably 80-90% of the total coins who will also destroy any possible monetary gain for the average/small time investor. In fact, its these pigs that will steal hundreds of BTC from new investors, and they've done it before. SDC will be dead before you know and it will probably happen before ZK is released - I actually think it will never release but time will tell..

bloat is not an issue when you can prune the data fool..cmon got anymore bs!

How about having to 100% trust that the dev will destroy the special key at the launch? You know the one that if he doesn't he can create as many coins as he wants at will. ? 100% turst SDCdev and trolls and all the other nasty coin bashing guys that lie about their developments? Yeah right sure mate!

Yeah no probs i mean we can all see your opinions of whats good and not are pretty well reversed from what is really good and bad

check these out then go check on your xc thread! ever coin we have exposed we have done it with factual evidence! all you have is warped realities and conjecture!
i'm telling you its so much easier being good vs bad..bad is so much more work and you get little reward! thats the really stupid thing about it!

How about having to 100% trust that the dev will destroy the special key at the launch? You know the one that if he doesn't he can create as many coins as he wants at will. ? 100% turst SDCdev and trolls and all the other nasty coin bashing guys that lie about their developments? Yeah right sure mate!

Long quite feeding the TrangLee troll. He think Zerocoin is Shadowsend. Argument is null and void.

Additionally, ZeroCoin/ZeroCash also has what many consider to be a fatal flaw in the way it works. At launch, everyone using the network must trust the creator to destroy certain secret startup data.

Ok you answer to the Epic Fail that is SDC Zerocoin aka zk-snarks is to bring up crap about some other guys on a different coin? I am going to post everywhere I can the epci fail of SDC's zerocoin. Bloated blockchain and 100% trust to destroy geneis key for it. Not that he couldn't have a copy of it some where either. 100's of thousands for SDC coins being minted at will to dump. Sic!

You can spread your lies all you want..thats why i think you are a twit you just have no evidence and you are insulting everyone by thinking you will fool anyone but yourself and your other dimwitted friends!
the world dosn't revolve around bitcointalk son! so believing that is a threat tbh is really really making me sick now..i am defo out this time foreal you really really made me ill then!
I feel really sorry for the people around you, your very nature is so opressive!

Additionally, ZeroCoin/ZeroCash also has what many consider to be a fatal flaw in the way it works. At launch, everyone using the network must trust the creator to destroy certain secret start up data.

Zerocoin is zk-snarks. Shadowsend uses zk-snarks. :)  


I'm sorry but I don't trust you or the SDC dev to make sure this actually happens. I am sure most people here won't trust you or him to do it. If they do they are damn fools.

Neither do I. This guys lie and fud other coins to make their case or bring down competitors against SDC.

Oh yeah then there was the Big huge Giant even of ZK-Snark implementation in September!!! Yeah!!! Oh fuck! wait wait its almost November?!! Aw shit another zeroscam lie.

Yes read the entry for sept and zk-snarks implementation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwGZkikCYAA4Eut.png

You are out again for the 3x? Lol you are like a fly circling a pound of shit. No matter how bad the smell you keep coming back for more. Thing is the pound of shit here is really SDC. You should get a spell checker. It's for real and oppressive. Dim whit.

Just a reminder. besure to trust these guys to destroy the keys and info so they don't make anymore coins.  ;)

I see you have been trolling the attacking people too 002smurf. http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#8  Proofs in the pudding. SDC's very own 002 smurf in action. For shame. SDC guys never harasses or trouble other coins. No way man.

Zerocoin is zk-snarks. Shadowsend uses zk-snarks. :)  


I'm sorry but I don't trust you or the SDC dev to make sure this actually happens. I am sure most people here won't trust you or him to do it. If they do they are damn fools.

This is indeed true. You have to trust that the dev team will destroy any and all copies of the start up keys/and such. I am a huge fan of Zerocoin/cash and have followed them since early Jan. They changed to Zerocash in May/June. Even they say that its what has to be done other wise more coin can be made on the blockchain. They also acknowledge the bloat issue and is in fact one of the main reason they didn't release a "coin".

I personally wouldn't trust these guys to be ride of the keys either.

I've changed the op you were right about one thing it was misleading and an oversight i apologise!

If that was you in that reddit post and you want to play that pick at words game then sure lets play! You didn't ask for a short explanation you have waited not even a week for an explanation to your junk filled comment, full of conjecture and utter garbage. You are nothing short of playing guessing games tbh

It wasn't my comment. I was the one who posted about the fact that 95% of shadowcash are owned by 84 addresses, which is another reason I wouldn't buy any. Also, I don't think the reddit poster or myself asked for a short explanation, at least I said technical explanation, which you have successfully avoided again.

To be fair it's quite a young coin and the community is still growing. There's plenty for sale on Bittrex, so hopefully as more people become aware of the quality of the development work that's going on, more people will invest and the distribution will become less of an issue.

Yeah ok. Let them be fair. They troll attack and attempt to destroy other coins all the while give the Alt scene a big black eye. On top of that we need to trust them to destroy the mint all you can dream of key and related files. Don't be naive and stupid dealing with these guys. As for coin distribution they just made many addresses in their wallets so it looks spread over 80 (which is still a small core) even if it's in 4-10 actual wallets. also they probably have most on exchanges waiting to DUMP the second people believe this scam they are crafting.

Yeah ok. Let them be fair. They troll attack and attempt to destroy other coins all the while give the Alt scene a big black eye. On top of that we need to trust them to destroy the mint all you can dream of key and related files. Don't be naive and stupid dealing with these guys. As for coin distribution they just made many addresses in their wallets so it looks spread over 80 (which is still a small core) even if it's in 4-10 actual wallets. also they probably have most on exchanges waiting to DUMP the second people believe this scam they are crafting.

TrangLee is so dense he can't even see when people are trolling him. Take your FUD conversation back to your SDC FUD thread. Which BTW was started by the LXC dev. I'll be sure to grab a screenshot of the Skype logs for that where the LXC dev admits he is the one who started that smear thread. You're such a tool that you participated in a FUD campaign against SDC orchestrated by the LXC dev which to my knowledge has nothing to do with Stealthcoin besides being a partner in BlockNet. Baseless accusations, mindless trolling and unnecessary personal attacks = Bitcointalk community. Seems like the shitcoin communities always take it upon themselves to attack Shadow.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=383543 this is an alt account for the LXC dev "KidKrypto"