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Hello, Percy. :D

0.01 btc

It's a nice name! Current bid at .01 BTC.

0.02

I'm taking this to the next level, Percy.

Bid of 0.1 BTC

1.0

1.1 BTC.

(BTW, since when was this an auction?)

2 BTC, probably when the OP said "bid"

OP said looking for 170 BTC, but I guess he changed his mind.

3 BTC.

OP: If you want to have an auction, I'd suggest listing an ending time and bid increments, at the minimum.

Thanks for the heads up.

In case anyone didn't realize, Goat's talking about this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84083) thread.

LibertyPayout, (a) can you confirm that this is not stolen and (b) are you willing to use escrow?

OP, would you mind posting a screen shot of the transaction(s) that loaded the acct? Atleast showing dates and load method, blocking any sensitive data ofc.

I will do this, I am not comfortable giving my ID out online, so sorry to the poster that was upset because of that. Hope you understand.

How did you end up with that huge balance on amazon in the first place?

Did you buy too many gift cards? Surely you're pretty pissed now that you have to sell the balance for less than you paid?

No AGC is accepted as exchangeable currency on a wide arrange of forums, you can sell RSGP,PP,AP,WU,MB,WMZ in exchange for Amazon Giftcards. I'm not really upset about afterall in exchanges there is always a loss/fee to exchange. You will see with the transactions posted below that I've bought everything I wanted from amazon, it was a miscalculation in spending. I thought there would be some purpose to the funds but once I had them I couldn't find anything I really needed from the site.  While amazon seems like a huge market there are some things just not available there that I need, so I am selling the balance which is now no longer very useful. $4,000+ On amazon within this year alone:

https://i.imgur.com/oESVJ.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/nx5BT.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/Vemf8.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/ti78D.png?1

It seems that the issue you guys are having is the low price? I would be happy to raise it if that satisfies you, look through my posts I am eager to get BTC because I have some investment plans I am looking into. ALSO THE ACCOUNT IS NOT STOLEN, I do not know where you got that idea from. How many random people have over $4,000 in amazon GC's laying around on their account? Let's not be preposterous please, I understand caution but let's execute some rationality with it. Last purchase I made was in April (Kindle App), if the account was stolen don't you think they would have gotten it back by now especially with $1,000 sitting on it.

I would think that if the funds were stolen then the account would be locked by now, I have ordered to my address as you can see since as far back as the beginning of the year. No police, no issues. The account is linked to my e-mail it has my cards on it, I used to have prime as well. No issues. I can't guarantee the origins of the cards as I have received them from others but to the best of my knowledge the person I was talking to was the person using THEIR OWN card to buy the cards. Additionally reference the dates for the giftcards they are spread out over several months in different amounts. You seriously think someone was charging hundreds of dollars to the same stolen card for months without anything? If you would like to imply next that there were several stolen cards use the same logic to answer that, $4000 is not a measly amount and far exceeds Grand Theft. I am sure Amazon would have enough experience to haggle down on these issues, also please refer me to where people have scammed for amazon GCs and accounts so I can see there  threads in comparison to mine.

My inbox seems to have cleaned itself but you asked for an ID. I don't know what other options you gave me, you asked if I were willing to use and escrow or go first. I said go first since I see you are a reputable member here, so tell me what other options did I refuse?

It wasn't an intentional ignorance, I have gotten a few PMs and thought that my Box was being cleaned out. It's just been moving on to different pages so I miss some PM's. This is a completely different forum type then I'm used to so I'm adjusting.

no worries, m8. Thank you for taking the time to post those screnies. We're really not trying to pick on you, some people are more cautious than others.

Would you be interested in fulfilling peoples wish lists? I'd like to buy a copy of Diablo 3 with BTC. And, how much would you want for it? Was holding out for Amazon to get digital copies in but am tired of waiting.


Regards,
 Derek

Will you link me to the game?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00178630A/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1338485464&sr=8-1&condition=new

10BTC

rock on, you able to 'drop ship' to a dif address or should I send you a wish list link?

How much to make it 1 day shipping? I believe its only 7.99 on vid games and if we do it in the next 2 hours I'll get it tommorow. ;p

cheers

By dropship do you mean from me to you? If so I wouldn't really mind, it's whatever you prefer. I am not sure what the rate is for 1 day can you put it in your cart and check for me and send the final price over pm?

I made a wish link. Will PM you the info, m8.

How much of this is left?  I'll take the whole thing.  I've already got the wishlist made.  You just need to fullfill it.

I got 2 people for 170BTC, if you are interested in offering more let me know. Otherwise I'll just give it to the person that ordered first.

171 btc, i will create a wishlist and you will fulfill it.

Sent a PM to you.

Jerks made me miss my next day shipping on a video game!  wahhhh

 :P

Ok depending on when I receive a reply: chungenhung, currently has this reserved.

OK this guy is starting to look very suspicious.

Looking for mining investments:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84555.msg934092#msg934092

Loans:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84504

and selling Amazon GC's on this thread.

All I can say to everyone is be careful, this is a new account that signed up 2 days ago, we don't know much about him and he wants to do lots of business. Be very very careful when dealing with him or anyone with little rep.

Oh Lord, there are a shit ton of trolls here. I'll make this simple, read VERY carefully. I came here for knowledge and to do business, if you want to pull up posts do research thoroughly. Don't just go for the bad. To a point, yes, I can understand the "hype" around new members but you guys have taken it to far. To assume every new member is automatically a scammer is prejudice and it is extremely restricting. This is a BTC market/discussion forum. I am marketing and discussing otherwise I have no use for this forum. Take the time to actually read the threads not just the titles.

You're pulling up this quote?:


I wanted to ask him how many bitcoins he mines with his rig and how he set it up, what equipment etc. I'm not asking him for a loan just for knowledge which he was offering to share to newbies. Bitcoins are quite complex  and it has become an appealing market. Excuse me if I am trying to buy in and learn more about them, before they become a "chaser" product. Is that really all that suspicious? Secondly with my Amazon account I provided you with proof you asked for, I have a product that I thought would be in demand, and it is I have gotten replies to that thread. I do not mine selling it as, it is the only way for me to legitimately obtain bitcoins. As for the loans, yes I am looking for them, but read the WHOLE thread:


I have no issues answering questions but the way you are presenting them make them seem more as accusations rather then inquiries. Like I said, I understand the skepticism but to write off every noob as a scammer is extraordinarily frustrating especially because we all start somewhere. I also have a zero tolerance for bullshit. If you want to be an ass and write shit like, "Well no shit.", things that in no way contribute to anything then I won't stand for it. At least your post was a warning and was aimed to benefit other members but stuff that is just there to be there and cause irritation is unacceptable.

Thanks if you took the time to read this.

You can't use other people's actions to judge others, that's prejudice. I don't know about you but I am opposed. If that were the case I could go around assuming all of you "trusted" people were scammers but I don't because that's not the way I operate. I know trusted people are capable of scamming I've seen it happen time and time again, I've had it happen to me. If there is anyone that should be cautious it's me. Being a noob makes me a primary target for illegitimate offers and scams. I came in here with an open mind and attitude but so far what I am encountering is not something I like. Everyone has been scammed one way or the other but to write everyone off is simply ridiculous and you will never be able to capitalize that way, there is risk involved in every venture. I learned that a while ago that's why I had no problem going first to you. If I lose out I move on with new knowledge of what to avoid next time, experience gained. You're also not "watching out" it seems like more of a hazing ritual. "New guy let's make him jump through hoops". There needs to be a limit.

Ok thanks for the tips, mate. I am just waiting for when I will be included in this community. Being called out constantly is stressful.

Yup, it's absolutely cutthroat, the forums especially. After a while here, if you prove your honesty, you'll get some level of trust from the serious traders, but there will always be doomsayers and skeptics. It's hard, certainly, but I think it's far better than the alternative. Better to err on the side of too much caution than too little.

Still looking to sell this, all offers were unresponsive. Don't contact me and waste time if you are not buying, thanks.

i would be interested in some stuff on amazon. will you ship first?

check your PMs.
Due to the number of red flags on your account, would you ship first?

There are no red flags on my account.

Not to you, sorry.

why not for me?

You're not trusted to me.

newdude?

 ;D

ive never had problems with anybody else. he's also pushing amazon. i bet newdude.

What are you saying? Looking at the way you type is a turn off in and of itself. Get off my thread.

It's a legitimate question, except that he didn't provide the background for you to understand it. Basically, newdude sold Amazon gift cards and it turned out that he did so with stolen credit cards. He's comparing you to this scammer, although he is really grasping at straws.

I can act as escrow between you and BTC guy, if you want. BTC Guy sends me the BTC, and you ship the goods. Once the items ship, forward me the shipping notice that Amazon sends out. When it arrives, I'll send you the BTC unless BTC Guy sends me convincing evidence that shows that you lied about what was sent.

i was just wondering is he would ship first. thats it. after his comments about he wont ship first for me cause im not trusted the first person who came to my mind is newdude. maybe it is. maybe it isnt. i dont really care. he smells like fail and i dont want to do business with him any more.

****SCAMMER ALERT****

I spent a pretty lengthy amount of time on skype trying to get this guy to just show some type of valid proof, so I could feel better about the transaction.

Unfortunately, he sent me a series of very dark pictures of his "ID" that were completely covered in paper and only showed a first name "Afor" and not "Percy" and it was barely legible.
His excuse was "It's only 4PM here, I don't turn on the lights until the evening"
He then sent me a screenshot from a past order (using a giftcard, so the billing info doesn't matter) that showed the same first name "Afor".


Due to Percy/Afor's inability to just fucking show proof he owns the account, I would STRONGLY advise against sending him any form of payment until you have received your goods. I thought I had a decent enough reputation here for him to send first, but apparently not.


I strongly advise you stay away from this guy. It seems like he's hiding something (not just his identity).

I have the skype logs to back all this up, if requested.

Very nice, you haven't heard of an "american name". Afor is my legal name but I go by Percy because my parents believed that living in america it was proper to have an "american name". You're an idiot, the picture I sent you is a picture of a purchase made in Febuary with billing info that matches my ID name. Yes, I covered my ID in paper because you said all you wanted was the name. So who is the scammer? This user is mad because I did not go first to him and get scammed, so now he wants to come here and try to ruin business. Get the hell off the thread.
"His excuse was "It's only 4PM here, I don't turn on the lights until the evening"" He asked why it was dark that was my excuse.
Oh and I don't turn my lights on during the day, it's a waste of energy. Bite me.


Convo:

[5/31/2012 7:44:55 PM] P: Hell
[5/31/2012 7:44:58 PM] P: Hello
[5/31/2012 7:46:40 PM] P: Unless you have the BTC ready to go now, I may not be able to help you. As someone has offered to pay half already for me to reserve it
[5/31/2012 7:47:00 PM] lolwut: ok, thats fine, thanks anyway
[5/31/2012 7:48:28 PM] P: You're withdrawing your bid?
[5/31/2012 7:52:06 PM] lolwut:  dont have all the coins right now, so if thats a deal breaker, then give it to the other guy
[5/31/2012 7:52:26 PM] P: Yea sorry it's first come first serve.
[5/31/2012 7:52:34 PM] P: I'll let you know if he falls through.
[5/31/2012 7:52:41 PM] lolwut: ok
[2:35:16 AM] P: Other offer fell through so as of now it's yours.
[11:05:09 AM] lolwut: ok
[11:05:14 AM] lolwut: so how will this work
[11:05:28 AM] lolwut: you buy first? i make sure there are not legal problems, then i pay you?
[2:10:23 PM] P: Legal problems?
[2:10:32 PM] P: I already provided proof the account was mine
[3:34:02 PM] lolwut: Ok, where did you do that?
[3:34:09 PM] lolwut: i must have missed it
[3:34:15 PM] lolwut: can you link me to the post
[3:34:15 PM] P: Check my thread I'll link to the page
[3:35:24 PM] P: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84439.0
[3:35:35 PM] P: No AGC is accepted as exchangeable currency on a wide arrange of forums, you can sell RSGP,PP,AP,WU,MB,WMZ in exchange for Amazon Giftcards. I'm not really upset about afterall in exchanges there is always a loss/fee to exchange. You will see with the transactions posted below that I've bought everything I wanted from amazon, it was a miscalculation in spending. I thought there would be some purpose to the funds but once I had them I couldn't find anything I really needed from the site.  While amazon seems like a huge market there are some things just not available there that I need, so I am selling the balance which is now no longer very useful. $4,000+ On amazon within this year alone:

https://i.imgur.com/oESVJ.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/nx5BT.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/Vemf8.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/ti78D.png?1

It seems that the issue you guys are having is the low price? I would be happy to raise it if that satisfies you, look through my posts I am eager to get BTC because I have some investment plans I am looking into. ALSO THE ACCOUNT IS NOT STOLEN, I do not know where you got that idea from. How many random people have over $4,000 in amazon GC's laying around on their account? Let's not be preposterous please, I understand caution but let's execute some rationality with it. Last purchase I made was in April (Kindle App), if the account was stolen don't you think they would have gotten it back by now especially with $1,000 sitting on it.
[3:36:05 PM] P: Chaang: explaining why you had so much of this and why you no longer wanted it. you have now done that in this thread. without doing that, i highly doubt anyone would have traded with you.

there have been a large number of scams with people with new accounts.

when you did not respond to the PM and then made a new thread red flags went up. do not take it personally.
[3:36:10 PM] P: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84439.20
[3:36:42 PM] lolwut: i see that, but that still does not prove you own the account. I'm not trying to be an asshole here, just dont need any trouble from this transaction.
[3:37:10 PM] P: Then I honestly can't help you. If you think the account is stolen you shouldn't be doing this trade in the first place
[3:37:19 PM] P: The account is mine the balance is rightfully owned
[3:37:48 PM] lolwut: I've been doing business on the forum for a while, I have a perfect reputation.
[3:37:55 PM] lolwut: I would like to do the deal because its a great price
[3:38:06 PM] lolwut: Can't blame me for wanting to be safe.
[3:38:27 PM] lolwut: I can send payment once the items are received, I think that is fair.
[3:38:43 PM] P: You're not trusted enough to do that.
[3:39:29 PM] lolwut: Ok. I appreciate you reaching out to me. I wish you the best of luck :)
[3:40:01 PM] lolwut: the only other way i'd consider it is if you can show proof of ownership like an ID or a utility bill with your name on it
[3:40:06 PM] lolwut: nothing from the internet
[3:40:12 PM] P: Ok, if you are not purchasing I am going to go ahead and remove you from my skype/ Just to provide more room for others.
[3:41:10 PM] lolwut: can you produce some form of ID?
[3:41:20 PM] P: As in?
[3:41:29 PM] lolwut: [6/1/12 3:39:31 PM] Brute: Ok. I appreciate you reaching out to me. I wish you the best of luck :)
[6/1/12 3:40:02 PM] Brute: the only other way i'd consider it is if you can show proof of ownership like an ID or a utility bill with your name on it
[6/1/12 3:40:08 PM] Brute: nothing from the internet
[3:41:59 PM] P: I'm not interested in giving my address over the internet or my ID card. I know these things can be used for ill purposes and would rather not expose them to untrusted sources
[3:42:00 PM] lolwut: you can remove all private information, im just concerned about the name
[3:42:21 PM] lolwut: out a sticky note over everyone on your drivers license but the name
[3:42:25 PM] lolwut: put*
[3:42:32 PM] lolwut: everything*
[3:42:35 PM] lolwut: cant type today
[3:43:23 PM] P: Give me a minute, that's not a problem
[3:54:23 PM] P: it's not coming out well
[4:01:28 PM] P: The picture takes and it's obviously my id but the writing is small and the webcam quality is assinine
[4:17:10 PM] lolwut: camera phone?
[4:17:13 PM] lolwut: something?
[4:18:10 PM] P: the camera on my phone is even worse the problem is the id writing is too small and the film screen over it makes the picture sheen which makes the name blurry
[4:18:34 PM] *** P sent Snapshot_20120601_1.JPG ***
[4:18:49 PM] *** P sent Snapshot_20120601.JPG ***
[4:19:02 PM] P: See what I mean?
[4:19:24 PM] lolwut: looks real dark
[4:20:04 PM] P: 4 pm here, I don't turn on my lights during the day
[4:20:58 PM] lolwut: so turn them on to take the picture and then turn them off?
[4:21:10 PM] P: what im currently doing
[4:24:35 PM] *** P sent Snapshot_20120601_1.JPG ***
[4:25:12 PM] lolwut: i dont even know what that says
[4:25:20 PM] P: Yeah wait
[4:25:25 PM] P: I made orders
[4:25:30 PM] P: from earlier this year
[4:25:36 PM] P: I'll show you the card on the order
[4:25:40 PM] P: as well as the name
[4:25:49 PM] lolwut: you dont have to cover the entire thing in
[4:25:52 PM] lolwut: paper
[4:25:53 PM] lolwut: lol
[4:25:56 PM] P: If you still don't believe it's mine then I don't know
[4:26:33 PM] P: It has two images of me and my DOB,Sex, Eyes, and height
[4:26:39 PM] P: as well as issue date and state
[4:26:48 PM] P: So yes, I do have to cover that up
[4:26:52 PM] lolwut: so far you havent shown me anything. you said your name is percy, but that ID doenst say percy
[4:27:10 PM] lolwut: looks like AFOR
[4:27:12 PM] lolwut: or ALOR
[4:27:13 PM] lolwut: or something
[4:27:53 PM] P: It's Afor, it's my legal name. Percy is my nickname or "american name"
[4:28:28 PM] lolwut: well that doesnt help your case any. Doesnt amazon require a legal name?
[4:28:41 PM] lolwut: im just looking for something to match up here
[4:28:46 PM] P: No
[4:28:53 PM] P: The name on the amazon is changeable
[4:29:02 PM] P: I can make it shitbricks if I wanted
[4:29:23 PM] P: The name on the card and billing address needs to match up with the name on your billing statement
[4:29:34 PM] P: But other than that Percy is my account name
[4:29:41 PM] P: Like you can name a kindle etc.
[4:37:05 PM] *** P sent AGC.PNG ***
[4:39:30 PM] *** P sent AGC2.PNG ***
[4:39:39 PM] P: I think that's thorough proof of ownership
[7:25:06 PM] lolwut: sorry, send again
[7:25:08 PM] lolwut: i was eating dinner
[7:26:09 PM] *** P sent AGC.PNG ***
[7:26:15 PM] *** P sent AGC2.PNG ***
[7:27:37 PM] lolwut: yeah I'm sorry. All youre showing me is stuff from the amazon account, anyone with access to the account could have that. i wish you the best of luck
[7:28:43 PM] P: You see the name on the billing address is in accordance with my ID
[7:29:06 PM] P: Order date: Feburary

Angry scammer is mad at his failure.

i love this forum    :D

If you want a second opinion, PM me a picture of your ID, taken in sufficient lighting, and I'd be glad to provide one.

PM me your ID too. i wanna see what afor looks like.

How about actually shipping me a copy of Diablo 3. It woulda been ehre already if you had done it yesterday. I'm fairly certain none of the guy slooking to buy the whole amount would mind if you said you sold a whopping 12BTC worth already. ;p

Lets try again. Go ahead and mail my wish wit the quickest shipping possible and you will begin the art of earning trust by getting some trades under your belt. As soon as the thing shows up at my door I will send you the bitcoins.

cheers

I'll upload all pictures I sent him. But I am no longer entertaining this thread. You guys have proven to be nothing but hostile monkeys and I am not interested in your business.

https://i.imgur.com/m9Z5k.png

https://i.imgur.com/wPDv3.png

https://i.imgur.com/OBVDz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7rILW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XwGO5.jpg

You think i'm stupid enough to send you my ID and email associated with the account? "Hello amazon my accounts been compromised I have the name and some ID to prove it's mine." I know all the schemes in the book for all you sneaky little rats.

are you fucking kidding me?

Why would I waste my time trying to scam you? You are making yourself look bad, being all cryptic and shit. We aren't talking about 1 or 2 btc here......I can't blame anyone for wanting proof of ownership, especially for something so easily "hackable"

this is what he sent, you be the judge

http://i47.tinypic.com/33n8bnk.jpg

no, lets burn him.

I can understand your frustration, but those pictures are entirely useless - you need something much more conclusive.

Scammer or not, you have the burden of proof. Surely you understand this.

You can accuse me of trying to steal your Amazon account if you want, but I assure you I have far better things to do with my time.

And so it begins:

https://i.imgur.com/2xDJ0.png

For those with no eyes:

[3:42:00 PM] lolwut: you can remove all private information, im just concerned about the name
[3:42:21 PM] lolwut: out a sticky note over everyone on your drivers license but the name
[3:42:25 PM] lolwut: put*
[3:42:32 PM] lolwut: everything*
[3:42:35 PM] lolwut: cant type today

"PUT A STICKY NOTE OVER EVERYTHING ON YOUR LICENSE BUT THE NAME"

Followed the orders you gave, bub. Balls in your court.

IMO, it looks like you got it the wrong way around. Seems like you're the angry one.

You have to realize that scammers have come here like newdude who sold tens of thousands of amazon GC over a period of months before it was discovered they were stolen, and then once his scam was discovered you can bet he came back at least once under a different username and repeated the scam. Amazon GC have been a hot product for scammers on the forums. You signed up with a brand new account and want to do thousands of dollars worth of transactions, how do we know you're not newdude moving onto his next username?

If you want to gain trust, the best way is to stick around and do smaller transactions ($5-$20 transactions) for a couple of months and then keep moving up to bigger ones as forum members begin to know and trust you. Giving out loans, or taking out loans and repaying isn't going to make us trust you more.

The main reason you put my scammer meter off the chart last night is because I was just browsing the forum, and kept seeing you want to do thousands of dollars worth of transactions, in loans, in AGC (nice acronym BTW) and what I thought was an enquiry into a mining investment (you made a post that sounded like you wanted to talk business over Skype with that dude, it could've been to get info on mining, but still could be to get investments). AGC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77822.20), loans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62970.0) and mining investments (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65989.0) are all big targets for scammers.

Genius, the name doesnt match the amazon screenshot. Everything else you provide can be manipulated in a digital way.

I'm sorry, but I almost wet myself laughing when I seen that.

Seriously? No, seriously? that is just having a laugh out of us and not taking us serious at all.

"Here is my ID, now you send me thousands of dollars using an anonymous, untraceable irreversible currency"

I was expecting it to actually look like an ID, that could be anything.

He was asking for investments not looking for them. I wanted to ask him about things such as how many BTC does he mine with his rig, how long does it take, how much does it cost etc. Because at that time I was debating whether I would buy a rig myself. You read the post wrong and you hopped the gun. As I stated before I am done. I'm upset with lolwut because he is a jackass who is angry I didn't go first to him so he flames on my thread after I followed his orders "cover everything but the name". I don't care anymore the account is off the market. So there is no longer need to worry, goodbye and good riddance.

The back of the ID you guys don't fucking read or look thoroughly:

https://i.imgur.com/OBVDz.jpg

Terrible lighting but still legible.

You could have just typed those words on a piece of paper and taken a picture of it. In that lighting it would be impossible to differentiate between that and a real ID.

Like I said before, you have the burden of proof. If you don't like it, my apologies, but it isn't going to change.

If you're done, then why do you keep posting? If we're such a "good riddance", why waste your time with us?

newdude also got angry and said he is done with this forum several times but he continued to debate us and talk nonsense. am i the only one who thinks this is him?

Perhaps, perhaps not. If he is, it will be challenging to prove. It doesn't really matter at all in the end.

i know how we can resolve this. alfor, you should come back in 30 days and give us all a $500 amazon gift code. this will prove your a good guy.

I'm trying to read the back of your ID. Is it in latin alphabet? is it backwards or upside down or something? I genuinely cannot see what it says, my monitors backlight is pretty dim, I'd have to open it in photoshop to be able to read it.

The paper/ID is upside down. I can read it without issues, here:

First line: Identification Purposes Only
Second line: NOT a Driver's License

Your picture is of Boxxy, a retarded 14 yo internet child. I am not fucking newdude jackass, I don't even know who that is. I am not done with the forum I am done selling to you idiots. Good day. And you look very hot Blazr. I'd tap but you can forget the loan.

Yeah I can see it now, my main monitors backlight is pretty dim, moved it onto another screen, its still pretty hard to read, but legible.

As mentioned, that could be anyone's ID and may not even be an ID. Could easily be just a printed page.

A piece of paper with barcode and scan. I'm sorry but I can't help it. When there are people with terrible arguments I just have to rebut. Why are we even still on this thread. Someone riddle me? I wanna know.  ::)

I'm replying to everyone at the moment. Just because I quote you everything I say isn't direct at your quote. I'm just to lazy to quote the others. I'm unconcerned I've pulled this off market. I intend to stay and prove my legitimacy while the others fall off as the scammers they are. Then we will see who laughs last.

Lulwat wrote boldly in red SCAMMER ALERT. The point of the matter is I don't want my ID circulating on the web. I could snap a picture of the whole thing, I dont want to. If I were a scammer, yea, I could just photoshop some shit as well. I don't want my real ID on the web and I'm not interested in posting fake shit.

i dont need proof i think he is scam

That's wonderful. Your conviction is just astounding.


I do not think what he did was prudent, but it wasn't an accusation. The differentiation is important.

If you do not want to provide ID, how do you propose to verify your validity beyond a reasonable doubt? Consider this a criminal court; treat it as such, and you'll do just fine.

That was an alert, he didn't say "You are a scammer", he said "everyone please be careful, this is an alert that this guy may be a scammer, he done this etc etc"

You can send a copy of your ID to theymos, the forum admin, or somebody else here on the forums who is trustworthy, they can tell us if they think its real, and if you scam, they can give a copy of the ID to the victim to help track you down. They're not going to go around giving people a copy of your ID, anyways there is very little identity thiefs can do with an ID alone.

Dear God, people. I happily enjoy a nice dinner for an hour, and you guys start this.

Cut it out. You're scaring away legitimate businesses who are evaluating whether or not to start accepting bitcoin. If you have legitimate evidence, fine, post it. But if you're just going to manufacture fake evidence by telling someone that they can censor something and then call them out for that censorship, that's not cool.

lolwut, I won't make you do it, but please remove that big red "scammer alert" text. You have nothing.

In all seriousness what he provided was not what was asked for at all, I can't even read any of his ID on one of my monitors because the backlight is slightly dim (normally unnoticable).

Wow...

no way

It's exactly what was asked for. Cut it out with this bullshit.

An ID that doesn't show the name on the Amazon account proves absolutely nothing, either way. If you want to ask for evidence, ask for something with that name on it.

+1 Maged

Ask nicely and you will get what you ask for.

If the name on those pictures matched the amazon account and you wanted to buy his Amazon balance, would you accept those pictures as proof of ID? I personally wouldn't.

Anyways, I'm staying out of this from now on.

ship first or go home

No, so I wouldn't have asked in the first place. Don't ask for something when you know that the answer isn't going to matter anyway.

Thank you. I swear, this forum is turning into a witch-hunt.

Edit: Based on IP evidence, we have no reason to believe that this is newdude.

Thanks for dropping by  ;)

come again

Amen. Thank you sir, after reading this I was relieved that this forum is not full of jackasses. I swear what I encountered so far was very similar to hazing. Thank you once again.

it is like hazing. dont take it personal. we have good reasons for being suspicious. prove us wrong and carry on or go home.

Thanks, that's reassuring.

Good luck in your future ventures Liberty Payout. Hopefully you and whomever you deal with will be able to come to a better understanding over what identity verification is required.

BTC guy, please do not use "we". Take responsibility for and make statements about your own actions, not the actions of others.

Yeah, that's exactly what it was. It's really getting irritating, though, since it seems that they are doing it more to legitimate users and not to the actual scammers. It's only been, like, 50% effective.

I have no problem with people informing people who may not have been around to see other scams what the risks with a certain trade could be. You really cross the line when you start putting out baseless accusations, however.

im not the only one who is suspicious so i think "we" is appropriate. to be honest, i only jumped in cause he talked down to me even though i have more rep than him.

You should have asked him if he was willing to take escrow. I have more rep than you, and yet I'd still be just fine with using escrow.

Escrow, escrow, escrow. That's the word of the day, folks. Use it. If he's not willing to take escrow, THEN you can pull out your pitchforks.

"We" Does not constitute 3 users

I also wonder why folks don't use escrow, even when handed to them on a silver platter with no fees. Seriously guys, if your cash flow is that bad, you have no business being in business!

google search define we. we can be used even if its only one other person your referring to.




liberty payout, will you do escrow?

Blazr, thank you for posting the risks in a non-accusatory manner. That's more of what I want to see.
I think it's a little late for that. I doubt he will even want to do business with you now.

im asking so we all know if he will do escrow or not. you said to ask him right? just trying to be direct.

I was fine using escrow I was fine going first to Chaang and other members of his type. The next issue was fraud and that sent them gallivanting.

Oh, good. I thought you suddenly were asking him to do business with you again.

i have 2 questions. why did you say im not trusted to you? why not ship sadpandatech his game? its low cost, he has high posts, and rep. seems like a good way to get started to me.

Probably because of a sudden flood of people with pitch forks.

BTC Guy if you have no business with the user, please go about your own business. If he is a scammer 6 pages of post should be adequate to warn anyone skeptical away from this transaction.

go tell somebody else what to do. i dont hear you. i know i was trolling a little but im not the only one posting. i asked valid questions.

I'm positive you are a child. This is why I did not want to go first to you. You type like someone who hasn't graduated from middle school and you're rude. To add to it you are using the "other people were talking too" excuse?

LOL, i was not rude to you dude. all i asked is if you would go first. you didnt ask me for rep or anything. you just insulted me publicly for no good reason other than my improper grammar.

He actually said no to you respectfully in public and in turn you indirectly called him a scammer...

Anyways, if the deal I entered into with Liberty Payout is a valid deal; The advertised amazon balance is spoken for pending a 24-48 hour waiting period. If you agree to this publically, I also request that you send first and I will pay when I receive my goods

I'm willing to use an OMM, but I won't be sending first unless you are staff.

i disagree. i thought telling me im not trusted without due process was insulting. he isnt gonna make friends talking down to people. i may use lazy english but i do good business and i have always delivered. i didnt accuse him of being a scammer simply because he shot me down. i asked him if he was newdude cause thats who i honestly thought it was. newdude didnt like me either and since this is a nub who i never talked to before i thought his distaste for me was because i was vocal in his last thread.

i will say no more. good luck.

What is an OMM? Escrow was offered by a staff member.

I don't have distaste for you, or I didn't. I said I didn't find you trusted enough to go first. Simple.

OMM is an official middle man.

I'm selling to: likuidxd, because he was the only one willing to hear me out when you were all pointing fingers. Apart from that, I've long since pulled this from the market.

My escrow offer that I offered earlier is still available. I don't charge a fee, and I'm online pretty often.

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I agree to this OMM, when likuidxd gets on we can work out the specifics. Thanks for the offer, mate.

Great! I've backed-up the address and subscribed to this thread. I highly doubt that there will be any problems, but if there are, I'll resolve them as fairly as I always have.

I also agree to Maged as our escrow holder, upon the verification agreed upon via PM with Liberty Payout.

Look at this kid, came unto my thread as well because his business was a lackluster.