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Hi i've been looking for investments. please tell me where is the fastest way to earn money. is it bitcoin or stockmarket? from todays point of view. Please respect my post, thank you!

I would say it's Stockmarket for sure

At the current price it might be bitcoin. But even stockmarket has been seeing swings lately.

I found this website "eToro"  , I never tried it for Bitcoin but I did try it to buy stocks of Google & Facebook , note I'am not that pro in the economics and those stuff but I did make some money ;D
You can find more informations about Bitcoin on this website here (when they added it ) => http://www.etoro.com/blog/product-updates/13012014/bitcoin-arrived/

http://www.etoro.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bitcoin-page-500x207.png

Depends what you're looking for. If you want to invest big money, then stocks seem better option as it's less risky. If you have small amount but still hoping for large return - you have better chance with bitcoin, although you'll be risking a massive loss.

Or you could just invest in both. Say 90% in stocks and 10% in Bitcoin.

stay in the sidelines for now.  btc could still go down. we do not want you to be a bag holder then calling everything crypto a scam when you lose your life savings.  

btc is not out of the woods yet.

https://i.imgur.com/W2z3XiB.jpg

this BTC price will be remembered as the time only the fools didn't buy in

mark my words

but what if it goes down to 100, or below that even? 

Marked.....

Bitcoin is a good place if you are thinking on investing in a technology and not taking it only as a stock, else, if you are only interested in P&D, stocks are a better way to earn a lot or lose everything...

Double Marked

If you asking on a forum where to put your money then maybe investing is not for you friend....

meaningless without wager

oooooohhh.. this just got interesting.  better use a smart contract of some kind if a wager does happen.

how much and what are your conditions

http://www.businessinsider.com/stock-market-crash-2014-12

and 7 other reasons to expect a 30-50% downturn in the stock market in 2015:

https://i.imgur.com/NSlfm1v.png   https://i.imgur.com/qaBksTE.png

https://i.imgur.com/DLxSFJp.png   https://i.imgur.com/7WDW6qg.png

https://i.imgur.com/seSIOgp.png   https://i.imgur.com/NwdmVdn.png

https://i.imgur.com/27VezY2.png

Bitcoin may languish in 2015 or take off at the end of 2015 in market anticipation for the 2016 halving.

Even if you don't invest in Bitcoin, stay away from stocks for the time being.

There's nothing wrong in asking for opinions, as long as you're aware they're just opinions not facts and will do your own research before taking any actions.

I'm not betting, and you are the one supposed to tell us the conditions and invite people to bet.

Bitcoin.

Not enough ammo for stock market being profitable. Yet.

Also too much fees for stock market stuff, specially if you invest abroad. And you are not allowed to buy fractions of a stock.


And right now the fundamentals for the stock markets are not the best, in my opinion

When people are getting excited about stock market hitting ATHs is not the time to get in.

However, ordinary Chinese have been getting excited about small cap chinese stocks of late, they've been up 30-50% over last year, and a lot of money has been going there. Could explain why they lost much enthusiasm for bitcoin over 2014... but again... sheeple excited 'coz highs are hit, not good time.

Bitcoin OTOH, see all the excitement around here about how well it's done lately? Nope, see all the sheeple rushing back? Nope, this is when smart money floods in.

I've been invested in the stock market for 20+ years. When I started, the market was at 6,000. Now the market is at 17,000+, so the stock market has been very good to me. But the most important thing about the stock market is that it is a long term investment. You don't go into the market for months; you go into it for years, and if you do, you will make money.
Fees are pretty low, in my opinion. It is best to get help with your investment--I have Wells Fargo Advisors and it has been excellent.

Did your average yearly returns over 20 years outpace inflation? (To calculate inflation use the CPI formula that accurately reports food /fuel and healthcare and not the FUD they normally propagandize- 5-10% compounded annually per year should need to be beat)

Can't argue with that :)

true. but it would be nice to see that people give honest answers rather than giving info for their self interest. there's a time to troll/shill and there's a time to be real.

I would say that even 5% inflation would be vastly exaggerated. Historically inflation has averaged ~3% and that counts higher then average inflation during the oil crisis.

Over most standardized measures of time, the stock market has outpaced inflation by roughly 7% per year. In other words you would grow your purchasing power by as much every year (on average).

In order to have produced these kinds of results you would have needed to invest in a very broad range of investments

none of the above would be suitable for beginners taking in consideration current situation in the markets.

1-3% is government propaganda. 5-10% more accurately reflects everyday consumers. This would negate most stock market profits.

You need to investigate those numbers more thoroughly and see how changes in the way CPI is calculated understate inflation:

- the method of weighting the underlying components was changed from a straight arithmetic weighting method to geometric.  The primary result of the switch to a geometric weighting was a lower weighting to CPI components that were rising in price, and a higher weighting to those items dropping in price which led to lower reported inflation.  

- The BLS instituted a system of “hedonic” adjustments.  Hedonics adjusts the prices of goods for the increased pleasure the consumer derives from them. This allows them to offset the price increases because the newer products or services are "superior" to the old ones.

-  When a commodity, like gasoline, goes through periods of violent price swings the BLS steps in and uses “intervention analysis” to smooth out the volatility.  As a result, sharply rising gasoline prices are never fully reflected in the reported headline inflation number.  However, declining prices, which are never adjusted, do show an impact to reducing inflation.


Here is a link where they attempt to address some of the criticisms :

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2008/article/addressing-misconceptions-about-the-consumer-price-index.htm

Any critical thinker can quickly see that there is manipulation being done when reviewing the facts.

IMO official inflation figures get screwed by two things, one, the price of tech drops like a stone over the years, and buying it is mostly optional, you don't NEED a new TV every year. Secondly the "Basket of Goods" is manipulated in other ways also, oh steak is $15 a pound now, well I guess everyone buys wieners instead then... NO!!! We'll have a basket full of Mr Noodle at this rate. If you're going to do that, you may as well just say that $200 of groceries is $200 of groceries every year.

Bitcoin offers more opportunity for development considering our percentage of adoption is still rather low. Compare that to stockmarket, how much do you expect it to increase per se? Likely if you imagine bitcoin having all the payment processor and credit card shares, what would that translate towards bitcoin price?

I vote for bitcoin, because I have more control over my bitcoin rather then my stocks.

Annnnnd it's gone *poof* http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-stocks-are-getting-obliterated-2015-1



edit: though that does imply that Chinese stocks now might be a good buy, they weren't 2 days ago. Probably wanna wait for it to play out a couple of days though.

My returns easily outpaced inflation. I'm currently living off these returns!

Well its called risk/reward range, the more you wait past a certain price the more you are risking missing what can be a lifetime train, so you choose. You want to wait to hope to time a perfect floor or you want to secure a decent position now?

Seconded.

Property (historic low interest rates) ?  PM's ?

BTW - India looking good.

I like bitcoin because I understand it.  Well... I understand it more than I did 2 years ago.  Either way is risky.  Just go with what feels right.  I've been burnt by stocks before.  If you go after stocks go after blue chips.

Yeah, but not ALL will be ruined. Some of them will triumph as it always happen. Some people take advantage of bad times and succeed, its all a game of knowing where to invest. One could have said the same about Tesla (dont invest, we are still in a shitty period) but those that did at the begining are now enjoying a nice life. Of course you require tons of luck as well.

The fastest way is Stockmarket, you can earn good profit without big risk
Bitcoin is too dangerous, especially with price stability

The fastest way to earn money without risk is by working hard. Investing in stockmarkets or bitcoin can end in a big loss of your money. Don't invest more than you can afford to loose, spread your investments, set a stop-loss, don't be emotional about an investment.

BTW I'm invested in bitcoin and altcoins. Good luck!

Buy large amounts of oil, sugar...for a 20% or more discount. That will beat Bitcoin and the stock market for a 3 months investment.

How do you earn "good profit without big risk" in the stockmarket? tell us what do you specifically? That sounds like a joke to me.

Illegally with insider trading or manipulating the markets... In other words , the game is rigged and the house maintains the edge.

Leverage trade whatever markets are moving.  I'll trade anything that I can profit off of.  EUR/USD is a cash cow right now. 

Leverage is too scary. If price goes low you can be in debt. That.. I do not want. Unless you get a loan.. you will not be in debt if you lose your BTC.

Find an idea and start a business. You can offcours also accept bitcoins, but probably you will not list your business on stock exchange.

What part of the stock market? One can't buy shares of "the stock market" so the comparison isn't fair. It's a great question though. I'm glad I didn't choose BTC over traditional investments last year though...

If it was that easy , everyone in the world is a millionaire right , don't you think .
I totally disagree here dude  , Bitcoin is a lot less dangerous then stocks because we know that Bitcoin will rise sooner or later (while Block reward decreasing over the years ) but for stocks market ... meh , you should read books etc about economics it's really not that easy.

It all depends on what your goal of using the technology is.

Investing in Bitcoin:

- Has the potential to net you some nice tidy fiat sums if the tech becomes very popular. Once full implementation and all coins have been minted/dispersed your chances of returning a handsome profit decrease.

Investing in Bitcoin Stock market:

- Provided there was one, you would have public assurance and protection from a highly regulated industry. You could earn tidy profits given your financial market prowess and guessing skills.

Perhaps buying BTC short-term (5-10 years)
BTC stock market (if created) long-term (10+ years)

The problem will be if BTC goes the way of public or private. Currently the tech is public, but all business surrounding it is mostly private.

Well you also can count on stocks like CocaCola, Apple or Microsoft to continue gaining strenght over years.

Why would you assume that? What percentage of fortune 500 companies maintain dominance today vs 50 years ago?

Most People would laugh at you if you suggested Kodak would need to file for bankruptcy 20 years ago.
Look how quickly history has unfolded though and how a small finish company out of nowhere was able to outsell cameras within 1 year.

For the vast majority of people, a good investment would be a low fee index tracking fund.
This a long article, but I believe the advice is sound http://www.modernluxury.com/san-francisco/story/the-best-investment-advice-youll-never-get

Single stock trading or Bitcoin trading is highly speculative - only trade money which you can afford to lose - since it is likely you'll lose money and a few people will make money. Those who lose will blame bad luck, those who win will attribute it to super-human powers of deduction, the truth will probably lay somewhere in the middle. However, if you're willing to take risk, then you can definitely make money on any asset that is volatile and Bitcoin currently fits this description!

depends on the kind of stock, bitcoin is a high risk investment

Yup, but we are talking at least 10 years in time and monopolies of CocaCola as king of drinks and Apple and Microsoft as king of computers have 0, 0, absolutely 0 real competence. Pepsi? Linux? Lol, not gonna happen. These are safe.

It's not scary at all, just don't walk away from the computer without a stop loss in place.  I open up 200x positions before bed and sleep like a baby. 

i thought pepsi co. was already worth more than coke ?
but i cant drink pepsi ,il always go for coke if theres a choice :)

Investing in coke was a great investment in any previous decade.

pepsi market cap 145 Billions, coke 185 Billions

very interesting reading :
Coca-Cola has a market capitalization of $170 billion. PepsiCo’s (NYSE: PEP) is almost $127 billion. PepsiCo’s revenue was $66 billion last year. Coca-Cola’s was $47 billion. A deeper look into the two companies shows the valuation debate gets even more confusing.

http://247wallst.com/consumer-products/2014/04/12/is-coke-worth-more-than-pepsi/

I prefer Bitcoin as long term investment.

I used to invest in stocks quite a bit some years back, but now only when certain stocks are real cheap.

It is better to own bitcoins or stocks that fiat, the idea is to save and keep investing in different vehicules that are protected against inflation and have low fees.

Unless you are very rich and can make money easily with bank interest, its just useless to have your poor man fiat in the bank, bitcoin and stocks is better if you want to gain interest and not die waiting for any relevant gains (bank interest is so damn low)

with stocks people are very happy with a 10% gain in a year. most people in crypto want instant 50-100% profits.

I agree 100%. As for stocks, in my opinion, the stock market is due for a big correction.

Crypto is more volatile than stocks.

BTC should not be more than a small portion ogf yr portfolio. Not either or.
Price will either skyrocket or go to zero. You need a 7-10 yr holding period.

personally i prefer stock market or forex market
because in cryptomarket you don't know when a coin dead and you lost all your money

This whole question is premised upon a false dichotomy. Of course you should diversify your portfolio.
The question remains as to how you should and it doesn't necessarily involve the stock market. The stock market is dangerously overpriced at the moment so I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot poll.

Remember that you need to subtract 2 different forms of theft when calculating net profit of investments in stocks: Inflation 5-8%US and 15% tax theft on profits.

My advice would be to invest in these things:

1- a couple months of spending fiat(which will allow you to leverage the volatility of Bitcoin and never spend or sell your bitcoins at a loss)
2- Some gold
3- Property and owning your own home in a low tax area (perhaps not if real estate is overly priced in your location)
4- paying off all your debts  
5- Your own skills and education(but not overly priced universities)
6- Long term food storage; a 12 gauge shotgun and ammo(at min)
7- Your own personal business plans to become independent
8- steadily buying Bitcoin on the dips

Do this before stocks/bonds ect... and you will be far better off.

Bitcoin, definately. The only stock I could think of goin up these days, are the producers of paper for money printing!

You don't know either when a company goes bankrupt and you lose all your money.

i would choose bitcoin as for my project thats really amazing invest
for short or long term project

Bitcoin is a long term investement indeed , but Stocks can be short period investement and you can earn thousands but also you can lose thousands just like that and in a second . It's really not that easy to predict the prices etc ...
Bitcoin can be a very good investement if we are sure that nothing goes bad (govermeents start blocking the cryptoo currency etc ) the price should be good and inscreasing by each block reward halving

stocks are so unstable at the moment. bitcoin seems to be more stable fot the time being.

Both
95% in stock market and 5% in Bitcoin.

How long can you hold your investments for?  If you are looking for a 3-month investment, I would suggest these guys:

http://coincurrencynews.com/2015/02/03/7c-stock-trending/

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/order.php?symbol=7C

The exchange operates in Coin, and you get paid in coin, so there is a lot of gain potential, and there is a good option to get a large stake in the company.

The stock market is well-known and you know what to expect, slow steady profits or non at all.
While Bitcoin is less well-known and we don't really know what to expect? But, the possibility of large profits is there!
Make you choice, its up to each of us to decide our trading fate.

I like to take risks, therefore I will go with Bitcoin until I get bitten. Then I may retreat into the stock market.

You'll eventually get bitten.. just dont get eaten.

bitcoin and alt coins at night when the stock market closes  ;D

well you can always go short.

Bitcoin good than stockmarket for invest

Depends whether you think long term or short term. BTC is maybe better for instant profit, stockmarket for long term investments.

The stock market in its current form is the result of constant adaptation to economic fluctuations - in any type of economy, you can make money hand over fist. Don't forget to look at foreign market index options if you are not comfortable taking any of the numerous positions available in domestic securities, as they are less likely to be volatile in relation to our country's swings. I have to agree that Bitcoin is a worthy candidate for investment, but being that it is still based largely on speculation (vs. underlying assets, earnings, utility, and the fact that it also lacks regulatory backings aka credibility) it wouldn't be wise to place a large weight of your portfolio into the "idea".

Pay attention to emerging markets across the globe and try not to get caught up in the down trends in the EU or the U.S. On another note, Bitcoin lives and dies at the hands of adoption that will only come from accessibility and utility. The current Proof-of-Work environment for Bitcoin carries with it an adopted wealth distribution imbalance which historically causes monetary systems to fail or be overhauled. Keep your head in the cryptocurrency loop and wait for the adaptation of the economy to generate a solution.

Always spread your investments, don't bet on 1 horse.
Bitcoin still is a risky investment but with potentially a big return.
Stockmarket is low right now, will get higher, I think, but there is no BIG return.

I would say that it would be something closer to the opposite of this. The stock market is unlikely to have sudden large dips in price while it can also offer a steady income stream.

Bitcoin on the other hand can have large, violent price swings, crashes happen often and the price can often take a long time to recover back to precrash levels. It will however likely have long term value