Bitcoin or stockmarket?

[pr472]

Bitcoin.

Not enough ammo for stock market being profitable. Yet.

Also too much fees for stock market stuff, specially if you invest abroad. And you are not allowed to buy fractions of a stock.


And right now the fundamentals for the stock markets are not the best, in my opinion

I've been invested in the stock market for 20+ years. When I started, the market was at 6,000. Now the market is at 17,000+, so the stock market has been very good to me. But the most important thing about the stock market is that it is a long term investment. You don't go into the market for months; you go into it for years, and if you do, you will make money.
Fees are pretty low, in my opinion. It is best to get help with your investment--I have Wells Fargo Advisors and it has been excellent.

[inBitweTrust]

I've been invested in the stock market for 20+ years. When I started, the market was at 6,000. Now the market is at 17,000+, so the stock market has been very good to me. But the most important thing about the stock market is that it is a long term investment. You don't go into the market for months; you go into it for years, and if you do, you will make money.
Fees are pretty low, in my opinion. It is best to get help with your investment--I have Wells Fargo Advisors and it has been excellent.

Did your average yearly returns over 20 years outpace inflation? (To calculate inflation use the CPI formula that accurately reports food /fuel and healthcare and not the FUD they normally propagandize- 5-10% compounded annually per year should need to be beat)

[General_A]

Hi i've been looking for investments. please tell me where is the fastest way to earn money. is it bitcoin or stockmarket? from todays point of view. Please respect my post, thank you!

If you asking on a forum where to put your money then maybe investing is not for you friend....

There's nothing wrong in asking for opinions, as long as you're aware they're just opinions not facts and will do your own research before taking any actions.

Can't argue with that

[tokeweed]

Hi i've been looking for investments. please tell me where is the fastest way to earn money. is it bitcoin or stockmarket? from todays point of view. Please respect my post, thank you!

If you asking on a forum where to put your money then maybe investing is not for you friend....

There's nothing wrong in asking for opinions, as long as you're aware they're just opinions not facts and will do your own research before taking any actions.

Can't argue with that

true. but it would be nice to see that people give honest answers rather than giving info for their self interest. there's a time to troll/shill and there's a time to be real.

[GrandmaJean]

I've been invested in the stock market for 20+ years. When I started, the market was at 6,000. Now the market is at 17,000+, so the stock market has been very good to me. But the most important thing about the stock market is that it is a long term investment. You don't go into the market for months; you go into it for years, and if you do, you will make money.
Fees are pretty low, in my opinion. It is best to get help with your investment--I have Wells Fargo Advisors and it has been excellent.

Did your average yearly returns over 20 years outpace inflation? (To calculate inflation use the CPI formula that accurately reports food /fuel and healthcare and not the FUD they normally propagandize- 5-10% compounded annually per year should need to be beat)

I would say that even 5% inflation would be vastly exaggerated. Historically inflation has averaged ~3% and that counts higher then average inflation during the oil crisis.

Over most standardized measures of time, the stock market has outpaced inflation by roughly 7% per year. In other words you would grow your purchasing power by as much every year (on average).

In order to have produced these kinds of results you would have needed to invest in a very broad range of investments

[clementinal]

none of the above would be suitable for beginners taking in consideration current situation in the markets.

[inBitweTrust]

I would say that even 5% inflation would be vastly exaggerated. Historically inflation has averaged ~3% and that counts higher then average inflation during the oil crisis.

Over most standardized measures of time, the stock market has outpaced inflation by roughly 7% per year. In other words you would grow your purchasing power by as much every year (on average).

In order to have produced these kinds of results you would have needed to invest in a very broad range of investments

1-3% is government propaganda. 5-10% more accurately reflects everyday consumers. This would negate most stock market profits.

You need to investigate those numbers more thoroughly and see how changes in the way CPI is calculated understate inflation:

- the method of weighting the underlying components was changed from a straight arithmetic weighting method to geometric.  The primary result of the switch to a geometric weighting was a lower weighting to CPI components that were rising in price, and a higher weighting to those items dropping in price which led to lower reported inflation.  

- The BLS instituted a system of “hedonic” adjustments.  Hedonics adjusts the prices of goods for the increased pleasure the consumer derives from them. This allows them to offset the price increases because the newer products or services are "superior" to the old ones.

-  When a commodity, like gasoline, goes through periods of violent price swings the BLS steps in and uses “intervention analysis” to smooth out the volatility.  As a result, sharply rising gasoline prices are never fully reflected in the reported headline inflation number.  However, declining prices, which are never adjusted, do show an impact to reducing inflation.


Here is a link where they attempt to address some of the criticisms :

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2008/article/addressing-misconceptions-about-the-consumer-price-index.htm

Any critical thinker can quickly see that there is manipulation being done when reviewing the facts.

[Flashman]

I would say that even 5% inflation would be vastly exaggerated. Historically inflation has averaged ~3% and that counts higher then average inflation during the oil crisis.

Over most standardized measures of time, the stock market has outpaced inflation by roughly 7% per year. In other words you would grow your purchasing power by as much every year (on average).

IMO official inflation figures get screwed by two things, one, the price of tech drops like a stone over the years, and buying it is mostly optional, you don't NEED a new TV every year. Secondly the "Basket of Goods" is manipulated in other ways also, oh steak is $15 a pound now, well I guess everyone buys wieners instead then... NO!!! We'll have a basket full of Mr Noodle at this rate. If you're going to do that, you may as well just say that $200 of groceries is $200 of groceries every year.

[Q7]

Bitcoin offers more opportunity for development considering our percentage of adoption is still rather low. Compare that to stockmarket, how much do you expect it to increase per se? Likely if you imagine bitcoin having all the payment processor and credit card shares, what would that translate towards bitcoin price?

[bornil267645]

I vote for bitcoin, because I have more control over my bitcoin rather then my stocks.

[Flashman]

However, ordinary Chinese have been getting excited about small cap chinese stocks of late, they've been up 30-50% over last year, and a lot of money has been going there. Could explain why they lost much enthusiasm for bitcoin over 2014... but again... sheeple excited 'coz highs are hit, not good time.

Annnnnd it's gone *poof* http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-stocks-are-getting-obliterated-2015-1



edit: though that does imply that Chinese stocks now might be a good buy, they weren't 2 days ago. Probably wanna wait for it to play out a couple of days though.

[pr472]

I've been invested in the stock market for 20+ years. When I started, the market was at 6,000. Now the market is at 17,000+, so the stock market has been very good to me. But the most important thing about the stock market is that it is a long term investment. You don't go into the market for months; you go into it for years, and if you do, you will make money.
Fees are pretty low, in my opinion. It is best to get help with your investment--I have Wells Fargo Advisors and it has been excellent.

Did your average yearly returns over 20 years outpace inflation? (To calculate inflation use the CPI formula that accurately reports food /fuel and healthcare and not the FUD they normally propagandize- 5-10% compounded annually per year should need to be beat)

My returns easily outpaced inflation. I'm currently living off these returns!

[AtheistAKASaneBrain]

this BTC price will be remembered as the time only the fools didn't buy in

mark my words

but what if it goes down to 100, or below that even? 

Well its called risk/reward range, the more you wait past a certain price the more you are risking missing what can be a lifetime train, so you choose. You want to wait to hope to time a perfect floor or you want to secure a decent position now?

[practicaldreamer]

Bitcoin may languish in 2015 or take off at the end of 2015 in market anticipation for the 2016 halving.

Even if you don't invest in Bitcoin, stay away from stocks for the time being.

Seconded.

Property (historic low interest rates) ?  PM's ?

BTW - India looking good.

[grendel25]

I like bitcoin because I understand it.  Well... I understand it more than I did 2 years ago.  Either way is risky.  Just go with what feels right.  I've been burnt by stocks before.  If you go after stocks go after blue chips.

[BillyBobZorton]

http://www.businessinsider.com/stock-market-crash-2014-12

and 7 other reasons to expect a 30-50% downturn in the stock market in 2015:

 

 

 



Bitcoin may languish in 2015 or take off at the end of 2015 in market anticipation for the 2016 halving.

Even if you don't invest in Bitcoin, stay away from stocks for the time being.

Yeah, but not ALL will be ruined. Some of them will triumph as it always happen. Some people take advantage of bad times and succeed, its all a game of knowing where to invest. One could have said the same about Tesla (dont invest, we are still in a shitty period) but those that did at the begining are now enjoying a nice life. Of course you require tons of luck as well.

[sandy47bt]

The fastest way is Stockmarket, you can earn good profit without big risk
Bitcoin is too dangerous, especially with price stability

[CryptKeeper]

Hi i've been looking for investments. please tell me where is the fastest way to earn money. is it bitcoin or stockmarket? from todays point of view. Please respect my post, thank you!

The fastest way to earn money without risk is by working hard. Investing in stockmarkets or bitcoin can end in a big loss of your money. Don't invest more than you can afford to loose, spread your investments, set a stop-loss, don't be emotional about an investment.

BTW I'm invested in bitcoin and altcoins. Good luck!

[picolo]

Hi i've been looking for investments. please tell me where is the fastest way to earn money. is it bitcoin or stockmarket? from todays point of view. Please respect my post, thank you!

Buy large amounts of oil, sugar...for a 20% or more discount. That will beat Bitcoin and the stock market for a 3 months investment.

[neurotypical]

The fastest way is Stockmarket, you can earn good profit without big risk
Bitcoin is too dangerous, especially with price stability

How do you earn "good profit without big risk" in the stockmarket? tell us what do you specifically? That sounds like a joke to me.