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If there is E-currency, possibility of smart contracts and anonymous communication*
Do you think is there possibility of building virtual-country?
Where citizenship is voluntary, where you always can quit where are some rights and rules but anyone can force it to you.
That country would be anonymous (form real world) but only if you want, and you would like to keep your identity (represented by some private key) because of reputation which it have, or if it really bad leave it and start from below zero.

I imagine that country would provide same system to take deals in smart contracts, come communication and secure signing method, etc.

It should be real country independent, and every deal should be time limited (of course with precise description of what happens after that period which will be automatically executed by smart contracts)

It would change the perspective because you cant complain in that country for government or law because you are forced only to use this low which you freely accepted.

You could even chose what happens in case of conflict about specific deal for example specifying peoples (large groups of trusted people) who will be judges. If you don't trust them don't sign, if you don't agree with their point of view don't sign it.

What do you think about creation of sth. like that?

How would you call it?

How would you start it?

Do you like that idea?

If you think it won't never work try to explain me why?

I'm curious who expect that we are on path in that direction?

 


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BTC LTC and others
TOR with onion domains, and FREENET

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1060234/

I think we should call it...

Mybitcoinland

I'm downloading that.
THX
:)

I'm not sure if it heve to be permanently connected with bitcoin, it's idea to give choice everywhere, you could deal with litecoin gold or anything if you want, even if it is bad idea.

Mayby there is sth like that already started, I have heard about some micronations like
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation
like sealand or sth, but all of internet based are fiction like fantasy theme or sth.
Have you heard about more like what I'm saying here?

Lovable idea. But we (BTC community) already are at least a nation in the sense you mention, maybe most of us just are not aware of it and we lack a passport and sovereignty on some land (which would be another lovable idea). I already suggested to buy an old ship as a surrogate in other threads, but my idea did not float  :(

Where to start...

World of Warcraft
Second Life
Battlenet/Blizzard games

These are pretty similar to what you're describing.

I like that you have energy, but I'm not sure why I would choose to be a part of another country if I don't get any benefits.

So if you give me benefits, they would come at a cost... so you basically are gonna be more like a company.  I don't know why we would try to call it a virtual country instead of a company membership.

What are the advantages of that?  It's doubtful that anyone would ever take you seriously... good luck tho!

I still think making it a satellite in space with people being able to buy "land" on it which is small parts of the surface would be cool :)

Very good point. That is the point of sovereignty. In a libertarian political entity it would consists only in the protection of individuals from threats of force by would-be sovereigns. In the past slaves used to be allowed to buy back their free status. We might be in a similar situation.

Become a Sealand citizen
http://www.sealandgov.org/title-pack

Nice, or what do you think of land on the moon which you can buy from Dennis Hope :) or at mars etc.
or sealand or sth :)

Nice, I didn't know about that, is that official?
I want Sealand ID for my birthday :)

As I said I'm not talking about fantasy games etc, but sth. useful. in real.

I'm as well aware of that bitcoin community or especially silk road community is sth. like this already.

It should be a property of someone, but more sth. like a protocol, or system of communication information authorization  end execution power which will organize and systematize what we have already.

If you want to say I'm not enough precise you're right but I posted here to make it more specific sketch.

When I was talking about sth. like bitcoin in 2007 people wear stared at me and didn't take me serious and now they don't really do. (but one of my friends read about it recently and though I'm Satoshi which flatters me)

And I'm talking about learning revolution coming in shape of game learning and no one takes me serious.
But there is first realization:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gM95HHI4gLk#!


Getting to the point.

The most important question you have give is
"What are the advantages of that?"

I'm afraid that just like in bitcoin for first adopters there would be only hope in spreading and making familiar and take advantages of that when it is common.
But after the wide adoption, biggest benefit would be decreasing cost of settlement of disputes which is extremely high with today complicated law, expensive lawyers and any warranty it will be fixed as you have wanted to agreement before.

And second that there is someone (government etc) who can change the rules during your session for example increase taxes without your agreement, and force you to pay it.

It is similar to the biggest of bitcoin benefits which is in my opinion lower cost of transactions which is extremely high with traditional currencies hidden in inflation printing money payment cards costs etc.

And again it is better because none can force you and take your BTC without your will (if you will secure them properly of course)

Will you agree?
@kjlimo will it be fair enough benefits?


Is it clear?
I think it could be much more with en example , and I'll think about one, to describe it.





 

Offtopic:
8th wonderland
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1060234/
Anyone knows where I'll find english subs or english version?
It looks like it is not available in my country.

This is a decent idea. It would be more like joining a club. You join clubs for certain benefits, you vote on fees, dues and rules and what to do with those fees.

It would be interesting if such a club/country were to grow to the point where it can pay for its own military and go in and protect its "citizens" from tyranny. A virtual world fighting against oppressive nations...interesting to think about.

I have always considered the best method of "taxation" as an up front fee from new members. That way you have a full understanding of costs as well as a full understanding of the current rules. If the rules change then you are not forced to pay more into it and you are coming in knowing how rules are made and changed. And if you do not like such a system, you are not forced to join.

So basically make a new second life but with bitcoins instead of linden dollars?

I wouldn't bother - it has a low rating...   ;)

Exactly, it so wrong, government in my country changed retirement age, just cause, without my permision and they are calling some taxes an insurance but I can resign of that and they can change rules of it without asking or even informing me!

It's misunderstanding.
No need of doing avatars and 3d world, and no need of crating new things in virtual world.
Just more a tool for real living.
Cost & time optimalisation.
And more precise and stable law.
 

What you were talking about in the first post wasn't really a virtual country, just "smart contracts" and a form of arbitration. Though I wasn't really following.

THX I know, but it is so interesting topic to me that I want to watch.
And 6.2
Hm  I had seen much lower movies like 2.0 :)

Just add a communication board like a forum but without a forum holder or a one forum administrator etc. just to freely talk about.
And It would be a good begging,
after that there will come instruments like insurances adequate to military protection or even health insurance.

BTW mayby its a good time to start global health insurance for bitcoins.
Is there some global health insurance which insurances you for exaple only for cancer and if you get it you will have provided best world treatment?
 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93454.0

moved here :)
Its reverse auction try to get this movie in English rip.

The movie is not the greatest piece of filmmaking - but the idea behind is interesting and it's interesting to see some people actually turning that into a movie.

The thing is, it wouldn't really be a virtual 'country' (read: state) at all. It would just be a voluntary organisation, from which you are subscribed to, in order to access the services they offer.

What is more interesting, is the question it begs - what is a state, if not an organisation which provides services, which you can't un-subscribe to?

Additionally, it begs the question of why you need a perimeter to defend at all; when members of different organisations are distributed randomly amongst one another, all anyone really needs to defend, is their property (including your body). The very definition of the 'police' or the 'army' are arbitrary - you just need personal security services.

IMO, the reason it is difficult to define what you are suggesting, is because what we have now (states/countries) is a rather strange and artificial concept to begin with. We are all just individuals, trying to safely navigate through our lives.

To add, this is one of the reasons why the use of Bitcoins is so interesting to observe. When people start to understand what Bitcoins are and can do, it begs these sorts of questions.

There are some bitcoiners who are wirtlanders:
 - http://www.wirtland.com

I like those begs.

I'm not fully understand your thoughts, but I'm think I'll agree with most of it. :)

There is no proper names for these what I'm talking about.
And I hope to find some names here. :)

THX for that link :)

It's closest to what I mean, I have ever seen.

Where Smart Contracts are used most widely now?

Osiris - Serverless Portal System
http://www.osiris-sps.org/ (http://www.osiris-sps.org/)

Looks good, I'll read the details.

Worst is that probably any of tech like that wont allow to browse sites using regular clean (without addons) browser.
But I'm hope I'm wrong.

You can see Osiris forums by installing Isis ( webapp ) on a free hosting.
But users will NOT be able to post anything, the board will be read-only.
If they want to post they will need to install and use Osiris.

Anyway, now Osiris is closed source, the next version ( v1.0 ) will be completely open and it will be probably released at the end of this year. ( I'm a beta tester )

It's good, but it would be better with tech which allows to move or copy existing forum/s into distributed thing.

But it causes problems like change of structure of ownership moderation and administration.

I have already seen one tor forum at onion domain which owner moderator admin had disappear and no meter that forum was good prospering they had to move and create another one because of lack of admin account of anyone present during last 6 months.
 

Osiris can run in anarchic mode, where every user can decide who's moderator changes will be followed.

Example : users are divided in two groups. One support person A as moderator, Second group support person B as moderator.
Portal will split into 2, each part moderated by another person

Ideal, like a voting or sth, or like bitcoin protocol, which could split at some point eventually (or I misunderstood).

I saw this video and thought of this thread - enjoy! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9XLBvTJQPM&feature=g-u-u

Check out this:
http://www.micronationconference.com/delegates.html (http://www.micronationconference.com/delegates.html)

If someone is feeling brave (and stupid) they should make a version of Second Life that uses bitcoins...