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Title: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: ticoti on January 26, 2015, 01:53:18 PM
Why is this payment still unconfirmed with such a high fee after so many blocks?
https://blockchain.info/tx/643018a18d9e92941b291a9fe09afc02388a8016d708754abe8885f6e4d751cc


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: amaclin on January 26, 2015, 05:21:25 PM
There are "dust" outputs in it
1PayC5RCF2aXZ6Rjg2DpVM73gaQbndiZVX  0.00000261 BTC
115TJLNHbc4opemg4k22Liu4qjFjS1UpiY  0.00000783 BTC
1K35XVxqTCwHSCVxddX2MPsbTNTmV7dwbo  0.00000522 BTC
Nobody wants to mine this transaction.


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: yakuza699 on January 26, 2015, 05:27:59 PM
There are "dust" outputs in it
1PayC5RCF2aXZ6Rjg2DpVM73gaQbndiZVX  0.00000261 BTC
115TJLNHbc4opemg4k22Liu4qjFjS1UpiY  0.00000783 BTC
1K35XVxqTCwHSCVxddX2MPsbTNTmV7dwbo  0.00000522 BTC
Nobody wants to mine this transaction.
Last time I did a transaction with 2 outputs (one of them was 0) it got confirmed in a matter of hours though I only paid 0.0001 fee.


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: wunkbone on January 27, 2015, 04:05:44 AM
There are "dust" outputs in it
1PayC5RCF2aXZ6Rjg2DpVM73gaQbndiZVX  0.00000261 BTC
115TJLNHbc4opemg4k22Liu4qjFjS1UpiY  0.00000783 BTC
1K35XVxqTCwHSCVxddX2MPsbTNTmV7dwbo  0.00000522 BTC
Nobody wants to mine this transaction.
Last time I did a transaction with 2 outputs (one of them was 0) it got confirmed in a matter of hours though I only paid 0.0001 fee.
Most miners will not confirm any transactions that contain any inputs or outputs that are under .00005800 BTC. You have three of which outputs in your transaction.

It is also not possible to have an output of 0


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: AgentofCoin on January 27, 2015, 04:26:38 AM
Why is this payment still unconfirmed with such a high fee after so many blocks?
https://blockchain.info/tx/643018a18d9e92941b291a9fe09afc02388a8016d708754abe8885f6e4d751cc

This transaction is currently being flagged as a "Double Spend".


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: MineForeman.com on January 27, 2015, 04:30:55 AM
It will never confirm, it was double spent with this transaction;-

https://blockchain.info/tx/f6af3c3859f1c07e59f95a5e618d4891d4c34bdc80a00385c8f51b64209267a3

There are 30+ confirms on the new transaction so the original one has no way of being confirmed now.


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: Ingatqhvq on January 27, 2015, 04:46:00 AM
There are "dust" outputs in it
1PayC5RCF2aXZ6Rjg2DpVM73gaQbndiZVX  0.00000261 BTC
115TJLNHbc4opemg4k22Liu4qjFjS1UpiY  0.00000783 BTC
1K35XVxqTCwHSCVxddX2MPsbTNTmV7dwbo  0.00000522 BTC
Nobody wants to mine this transaction.
Last time I did a transaction with 2 outputs (one of them was 0) it got confirmed in a matter of hours though I only paid 0.0001 fee.
Most miners will not confirm any transactions that contain any inputs or outputs that are under .00005800 BTC. You have three of which outputs in your transaction.

It is also not possible to have an output of 0
So, it is impossible to sent under .00005800 BTC?


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: amaclin on January 27, 2015, 04:50:46 AM
Quote
So, it is impossible to sent under .00005800 BTC?
Possible, but why do you ask?
.00005800 is less than $0.02 - what are the deals for $0.02?

Even my answer to your message costs me more than $0.02


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: jaberwock on January 27, 2015, 07:41:18 AM
There are "dust" outputs in it
1PayC5RCF2aXZ6Rjg2DpVM73gaQbndiZVX  0.00000261 BTC
115TJLNHbc4opemg4k22Liu4qjFjS1UpiY  0.00000783 BTC
1K35XVxqTCwHSCVxddX2MPsbTNTmV7dwbo  0.00000522 BTC
Nobody wants to mine this transaction.
Last time I did a transaction with 2 outputs (one of them was 0) it got confirmed in a matter of hours though I only paid 0.0001 fee.
Most miners will not confirm any transactions that contain any inputs or outputs that are under .00005800 BTC. You have three of which outputs in your transaction.

It is also not possible to have an output of 0
So, it is impossible to sent under .00005800 BTC?

yes it is, but not when you are double spending, like whoever made this transaction did


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: el kaka22 on January 27, 2015, 08:23:16 AM
waw , 0.01 fee
that big amount just for fee i think
but if i seen value of the transaction
  it is reasonable
its sucks if had longtime confirmation with big transaction  :-\


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: Ingatqhvq on January 27, 2015, 10:12:50 AM
Quote
So, it is impossible to sent under .00005800 BTC?
Possible, but why do you ask?
.00005800 is less than $0.02 - what are the deals for $0.02?

Even my answer to your message costs me more than $0.02

ATM, .00005800BTC is less than $0.02,
But if the price of bitcoin is more than $10000, then .00005800BTC  is about $0.58,


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: yakuza699 on January 27, 2015, 02:23:20 PM
There are "dust" outputs in it
1PayC5RCF2aXZ6Rjg2DpVM73gaQbndiZVX  0.00000261 BTC
115TJLNHbc4opemg4k22Liu4qjFjS1UpiY  0.00000783 BTC
1K35XVxqTCwHSCVxddX2MPsbTNTmV7dwbo  0.00000522 BTC
Nobody wants to mine this transaction.
Last time I did a transaction with 2 outputs (one of them was 0) it got confirmed in a matter of hours though I only paid 0.0001 fee.
Most miners will not confirm any transactions that contain any inputs or outputs that are under .00005800 BTC. You have three of which outputs in your transaction.

It is also not possible to have an output of 0
Wanna bet that I can make a transaction that has an output of 0 and pays 0 fee and can even make it confirm? I am ready to bet up to 0.2?


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: sandykho47 on January 27, 2015, 02:29:10 PM
Double spending & contain too small outputs
It's better to rebroadcast transaction after it deleted from blockchain.info

But, i remember some times ago there are some transaction with 1 satoshi output


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: unsoindovo on January 27, 2015, 04:06:37 PM
Double spending & contain too small outputs
It's better to rebroadcast transaction after it deleted from blockchain.info

But, i remember some times ago there are some transaction with 1 satoshi output

the problem here,
is the double spending warning.
i think dust transaction it is ok with 0.01fee...

You cannot cancel an unconfirmed transaction. When a transaction has been transmitted to the chain
so wait until it is cancel for timeout.
redo transaction without the double spending problem..


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: ujka on January 27, 2015, 04:53:01 PM
There are "dust" outputs in it
1PayC5RCF2aXZ6Rjg2DpVM73gaQbndiZVX  0.00000261 BTC
115TJLNHbc4opemg4k22Liu4qjFjS1UpiY  0.00000783 BTC
1K35XVxqTCwHSCVxddX2MPsbTNTmV7dwbo  0.00000522 BTC
Nobody wants to mine this transaction.
Last time I did a transaction with 2 outputs (one of them was 0) it got confirmed in a matter of hours though I only paid 0.0001 fee.
Most miners will not confirm any transactions that contain any inputs or outputs that are under .00005800 BTC. You have three of which outputs in your transaction.

It is also not possible to have an output of 0
So, it is impossible to sent under .00005800 BTC?

yes it is, but not when you are double spending, like whoever made this transaction did

OP here decided that confirmation is taking too long, even with 0.01 fee, so he sent another tx using same input (double spend) instead of waiting for confirmation.


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: unsoindovo on January 27, 2015, 05:11:27 PM
There are "dust" outputs in it
1PayC5RCF2aXZ6Rjg2DpVM73gaQbndiZVX  0.00000261 BTC
115TJLNHbc4opemg4k22Liu4qjFjS1UpiY  0.00000783 BTC
1K35XVxqTCwHSCVxddX2MPsbTNTmV7dwbo  0.00000522 BTC
Nobody wants to mine this transaction.
Last time I did a transaction with 2 outputs (one of them was 0) it got confirmed in a matter of hours though I only paid 0.0001 fee.
Most miners will not confirm any transactions that contain any inputs or outputs that are under .00005800 BTC. You have three of which outputs in your transaction.

It is also not possible to have an output of 0
So, it is impossible to sent under .00005800 BTC?

yes it is, but not when you are double spending, like whoever made this transaction did

OP here decided that confirmation is taking too long, even with 0.01 fee, so he sent another tx using same input (double spend) instead of waiting for confirmation.

i think this solution give him same result
why this new transaction with same problem would be accepted?
maybe there are some new consideration?


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Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: ujka on January 27, 2015, 05:20:32 PM
OP here decided that confirmation is taking too long, even with 0.01 fee, so he sent another tx using same input (double spend) instead of waiting for confirmation.

i think this solution give him same result
why this new transaction with same problem would be accepted?
maybe there are some new consideration?

No, there is no 'new transaction with same problem'. OP did not repeat the same tx.
He used same input and sent it to himself, in hope that new tx will confirm before. It did.



Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: unsoindovo on January 27, 2015, 05:25:18 PM
OP here decided that confirmation is taking too long, even with 0.01 fee, so he sent another tx using same input (double spend) instead of waiting for confirmation.

i think this solution give him same result
why this new transaction with same problem would be accepted?
maybe there are some new consideration?

No, there is no 'new transaction with same problem'. OP did not repeat the same tx.
He used same input and sent it to himself, in hope that new tx will confirm before. It did.



oh sure....
i understand!!!
i haven't seen this part

"He used same input and sent it to himself"

let's see if the transaction will be confirmed!!!


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: pooya87 on January 27, 2015, 06:42:35 PM
i think the first couldn't be included in a block or get confirmed because of the transaction's size


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: elephantas1 on January 27, 2015, 07:30:04 PM
It will never confirm, it was double spent with this transaction;-

https://blockchain.info/tx/f6af3c3859f1c07e59f95a5e618d4891d4c34bdc80a00385c8f51b64209267a3

There are 30+ confirms on the new transaction so the original one has no way of being confirmed now.
wait did he send those coins to himself? at least thats what i see in your link


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: yakuza699 on January 27, 2015, 07:44:00 PM
let's see if the transaction will be confirmed!!!
Did you looked up in the blockchain?If you did you must have missed the fact that the double-spending tx was confirmed 1 minute later after it got relayed.


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: MineForeman.com on January 27, 2015, 10:26:26 PM
It will never confirm, it was double spent with this transaction;-

https://blockchain.info/tx/f6af3c3859f1c07e59f95a5e618d4891d4c34bdc80a00385c8f51b64209267a3

There are 30+ confirms on the new transaction so the original one has no way of being confirmed now.
wait did he send those coins to himself? at least thats what i see in your link

Yep, it seems even before he sent you that transaction he had already sent all of the outputs to himself.

It is like he wrote a check withdrawing his money, cashed it and then wrote you another check to you that bounced. 

Sorry, but it seems that he ripped you off.

(warning: I am using blockchain.info to get this info as I dont have a blockchain right in front of me to check, but yeah...)


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: Taras on January 27, 2015, 10:47:30 PM
There are "dust" outputs in it
1PayC5RCF2aXZ6Rjg2DpVM73gaQbndiZVX  0.00000261 BTC
115TJLNHbc4opemg4k22Liu4qjFjS1UpiY  0.00000783 BTC
1K35XVxqTCwHSCVxddX2MPsbTNTmV7dwbo  0.00000522 BTC
Nobody wants to mine this transaction.
Last time I did a transaction with 2 outputs (one of them was 0) it got confirmed in a matter of hours though I only paid 0.0001 fee.
Most miners will not confirm any transactions that contain any inputs or outputs that are under .00005800 BTC. You have three of which outputs in your transaction.

It is also not possible to have an output of 0
Sure it is (https://blockchain.info/tx/9173744691ac25f3cd94f35d4fc0e0a2b9d1ab17b4fe562acc07660552f95518) :P


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: BillyBobZorton on January 27, 2015, 11:31:40 PM
You can have 0 fee transactions but we aware that it will take maybe days to get fully confirmed.


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on January 27, 2015, 11:36:55 PM
It is also not possible to have an output of 0

Zero value outputs are valid (although they are non-standard unless output type is OP_RETURN). 


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: wunkbone on January 28, 2015, 02:13:14 AM
There are "dust" outputs in it
1PayC5RCF2aXZ6Rjg2DpVM73gaQbndiZVX  0.00000261 BTC
115TJLNHbc4opemg4k22Liu4qjFjS1UpiY  0.00000783 BTC
1K35XVxqTCwHSCVxddX2MPsbTNTmV7dwbo  0.00000522 BTC
Nobody wants to mine this transaction.
Last time I did a transaction with 2 outputs (one of them was 0) it got confirmed in a matter of hours though I only paid 0.0001 fee.
Most miners will not confirm any transactions that contain any inputs or outputs that are under .00005800 BTC. You have three of which outputs in your transaction.

It is also not possible to have an output of 0
Sure it is (https://blockchain.info/tx/9173744691ac25f3cd94f35d4fc0e0a2b9d1ab17b4fe562acc07660552f95518) :P
Hmm this is very interesting. I have never seen anything like this before.

It is also not possible to have an output of 0

Zero value outputs are valid (although they are non-standard unless output type is OP_RETURN). 
What would the point be of including a zero value output? I brief google search got me this (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script#Obsolete_pay-to-pubkey_transaction) result, which appears to have something to do with donating an entire input to the miner that confirms the Tx


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on January 28, 2015, 04:39:00 AM
What would the point be of including a zero value output?

For non OP_RETURN outputs there are probably no good uses but the original client supported it so to remove it now would require a hard fork.   Short of that the network makes it difficult to use as most nodes will neither relay them or include them in a block but they are still valid.


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: Corenin on January 28, 2015, 05:29:27 AM
when checking your transaction on blockchain.info it show error message "Transaction not found"
it was an invalid transaction thats why it was not confirmed


Title: Re: Payment with 0.01 fee still uncofirmed
Post by: pooya87 on January 28, 2015, 06:26:52 AM
when checking your transaction on blockchain.info it show error message "Transaction not found"
it was an invalid transaction thats why it was not confirmed
you are late. there was a transaction which could not be confirmed, then it was double spent. and the second one was confirmed.
the first one must have been removed