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Title: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 16, 2015, 04:49:30 PM Hi,
I was really wondering why the forums don't use Google Adsense , BuySellAds , or any other Advertising company that pays well , I know that there is Auctions that theymos do to make ads and get paid but I don't think they are enough or we can compare them with Adsense or any other company . I mean come on .. the forum is getting millions of page views each month , so I don't see why theymos wouldn't use those . ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: redsn0w on February 16, 2015, 04:52:44 PM Hi, I was really wondering why the forums don't use Google Adsense , BuySellAds , or any other Advertising company that pays well , I know that there is Auctions that theymos do to make ads and get paid but I don't think they are enough or we can compare them with Adsense or any other company . I mean come on .. the forum is getting millions of page views each month , so I don't see why theymos wouldn't use those . ~ Madness I think because 1) the google ads banners will ruin bitcointalk "design" (does not integrate "well") - - 2) because they are using Js, and theymos doesn't allow js banner here in the forum. Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on February 16, 2015, 05:00:16 PM 3) Upfront payment. When using Google, we can't know how much we can earn. At the current price, forum is getting ~$1,924.02087/~10 days.
4) Exploits are possible. Proof : #1 (http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/32293/cyber-crime/malvertising-google-adwords-advertising.html) #2 (https://blog.malwarebytes.org/malvertising-2/2014/09/googles-doubleclick-ad-network-abused-once-again-in-malvertising-attacks/) Quote from: #2 Attack Overview: https://blog.malwarebytes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/overview.png Traffic Capture: https://blog.malwarebytes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Fiddler21.png I used Sulo (https://github.com/F-Secure/Sulo) to decrypt the malicious redirection that is hiding deep inside the Flash advert: https://blog.malwarebytes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/sulo1.png -MZ Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: shorena on February 16, 2015, 05:03:56 PM 4) not paying in bitcoin
Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 16, 2015, 05:06:43 PM 3) Upfront payment. When using Google, we can't know how much we can earn. At the current price, forum is getting ~$1,924.02087/~10 days. -MZ How you can know how much we are getting ? Anyway , what do you mean we can't know how much we can earn , I was watching Statistics and we are getting about 5-10 million views monthly . that would generate easily 50k $ a month . I know that some people do use Adblock . ~ Madness 4) not paying in bitcoin As I said , there is Alternatives that pays with Bitcoin , I was just giving an example about Google adsense which is the most known around here . Even if they was no companies that pays with Bitcoin , they would simply use Banks , Paypal , Western Union then buy Bitcoin. ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: EFS on February 16, 2015, 05:07:03 PM Why Google Adsense don't use Bitcoin?
Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on February 16, 2015, 05:09:43 PM How you can know how much we are getting ? Anyway , what do you mean we can't know how much we can earn , I was watching Statistics and we are getting about 5-10 million views monthly . that would generate easily 50k $ a month . I know that some people do use Adblock . Check auctions and you are right! 4) not paying in bitcoin As I said , there is Alternatives that pays with Bitcoin , I was just giving an example about Google adsense which is the most known around here . Even if they was no companies that pays with Bitcoin , they would simply use Banks , Paypal , Western Union then buy Bitcoin. ~ Madness Big tax problems might be there. Why Google Adsense don't use Bitcoin? Anonymity maybe. By the way, Post updated. -MZ Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Quickseller on February 16, 2015, 05:18:14 PM 3) Upfront payment. When using Google, we can't know how much we can earn. At the current price, forum is getting ~$1,924.02087/~10 days. -MZ How you can know how much we are getting ? Anyway , what do you mean we can't know how much we can earn , I was watching Statistics and we are getting about 5-10 million views monthly . that would generate easily 50k $ a month . I know that some people do use Adblock . 4.3 BTC times 8 = 34.4 BTC per quarter month, times 4 quarters is 137.6 BTC per month in estimated advertising revenue. That works out to roughly $32k per month. Additionally a lot of the impressions are of very low quality (from things like spam bots) - it is not faucet quality, but is still bad - and this may be a reason for adsense to withhold payment (even though a very high amount of the impressions are legit). Also the forum would probably have difficulty serving that many relevant ads via Adsense so it would need to serve ads that are not relevant to bitcoin which will ultimately result in lower pricing per impression/click. With the way the forum sells ads now, it is pretty much a guarantee that all the served ads will be relevant Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 16, 2015, 07:02:54 PM Why Google Adsense don't use Bitcoin? It's not a reason , at least I don't see it as a good reason to not use Google adsense . Besides as I said there is Alternatives those days and ads network that pays with Bitcoin . ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: theymos_away on February 16, 2015, 08:29:35 PM In addition to the reasons already mentioned, I've set things up so native forum ads can't be blocked (if the ad is designed correctly). This provides additional value to advertisers which isn't possible with any sort of JS- or image-based ad system.
Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Cøbra on February 16, 2015, 09:43:33 PM The auction system works well and brings in the same amount of income that Adsense would; just without the risk of being dependent on one company.
Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Karpeles on February 17, 2015, 05:41:53 AM I see two reasons:
1)No control about what is being adverted(can't refuse advertisements) 2)THe terms of service Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: BlackMachine on February 17, 2015, 05:57:33 AM If theymos use adsense he will earn maximum 10k per month. And his adsense account will be hold and will be subject for manual review. Plus adsense pays net 30.
Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: dogie on February 17, 2015, 06:36:39 AM Being an ex Googler, this is something I'd asked Theymos before. This was his PM response, which I don't believe is privileged information or includes intentions he hasn't stated elsewhere:
Quote I don't want to insert foreign JavaScript into the forum. That seems potentially dangerous. Also, using external ad services gives them some influence over forum policy because they can drop us. (AdSense would probably be especially likely to complain to the forum about various things posted here, I expect.) Income could be significantly increased in many ways. For example, more ads could be added, or cheaper premium memberships (like VIP) could be sold. But the main goal of the forum is to be a good forum, not to make boatloads of money, and I don't see the need to strive for increased revenue at this time. Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 17, 2015, 06:43:30 AM Being an ex Googler, this is something I'd asked Theymos before. This was his PM response, which I don't believe is privileged information or intentions he hasn't stated elsewhere: Quote I don't want to insert foreign JavaScript into the forum. That seems potentially dangerous. Also, using external ad services gives them some influence over forum policy because they can drop us. (AdSense would probably be especially likely to complain to the forum about various things posted here, I expect.) Income could be significantly increased in many ways. For example, more ads could be added, or cheaper premium memberships (like VIP) could be sold. But the main goal of the forum is to be a good forum, not to make boatloads of money, and I don't see the need to strive for increased revenue at this time. Oh Alright I see . I didn't knew that Ads could be used for Exploits and gets the forum hacked or something . Also glad to know that it's not all about the "money" ;D thanks mate ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: dogie on February 17, 2015, 07:06:06 AM Being an ex Googler, this is something I'd asked Theymos before. This was his PM response, which I don't believe is privileged information or intentions he hasn't stated elsewhere: Quote I don't want to insert foreign JavaScript into the forum. That seems potentially dangerous. Also, using external ad services gives them some influence over forum policy because they can drop us. (AdSense would probably be especially likely to complain to the forum about various things posted here, I expect.) Income could be significantly increased in many ways. For example, more ads could be added, or cheaper premium memberships (like VIP) could be sold. But the main goal of the forum is to be a good forum, not to make boatloads of money, and I don't see the need to strive for increased revenue at this time. Oh Alright I see . I didn't knew that Ads could be used for Exploits and gets the forum hacked or something . Also glad to know that it's not all about the "money" ;D thanks mate ~ Madness Anything served with adsense is extremely unlikely to be exploitable, but its his general policy to not have any foreign js as that's how bad things start. Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: b!z on February 17, 2015, 07:23:01 AM If theymos use adsense he will earn maximum 10k per month. And his adsense account will be hold and will be subject for manual review. Plus adsense pays net 30. Can you tell me how much Bitcoin will be worth next year too? Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: ColderThanIce on February 17, 2015, 06:24:09 PM personally i like the site how it is now. on other sites i've gone to sometimes ads open popups to malicious sites. but i really hate when i'm on mobile, and then ads redirect me to the app store, even when i don't click on anything. plus the ads on this forum seem more relevant to the topic (bitcoin) and i'm thinking that there are fewer scam ads here, compared to google adsense.
Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Baitty on February 17, 2015, 06:35:56 PM personally i like the site how it is now. on other sites i've gone to sometimes ads open popups to malicious sites. but i really hate when i'm on mobile, and then ads redirect me to the app store, even when i don't click on anything. plus the ads on this forum seem more relevant to the topic (bitcoin) and i'm thinking that there are fewer scam ads here, compared to google adsense. there could still be malicious sites advertised here I think as theymos doesnt check every single one only if they raise a few red flags but he wont advertise them if he knows they are scams unlike adsense.Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 17, 2015, 06:38:32 PM personally i like the site how it is now. on other sites i've gone to sometimes ads open popups to malicious sites. but i really hate when i'm on mobile, and then ads redirect me to the app store, even when i don't click on anything. plus the ads on this forum seem more relevant to the topic (bitcoin) and i'm thinking that there are fewer scam ads here, compared to google adsense. there could still be malicious sites advertised here I think as theymos doesnt check every single one only if they raise a few red flags but he wont advertise them if he knows they are scams unlike adsense.He don't need to check since he wrote that little note under the Advertisement saying that Bitcointalk is not responsable for them : "Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here." ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Transaction2015 on February 17, 2015, 06:42:20 PM Yes i think this coz BITCOIN IS BEST
if google pay bitcoins this be very best but google maybe pay in dollars i think Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Quickseller on February 17, 2015, 06:42:29 PM personally i like the site how it is now. on other sites i've gone to sometimes ads open popups to malicious sites. but i really hate when i'm on mobile, and then ads redirect me to the app store, even when i don't click on anything. plus the ads on this forum seem more relevant to the topic (bitcoin) and i'm thinking that there are fewer scam ads here, compared to google adsense. there could still be malicious sites advertised here I think as theymos doesnt check every single one only if they raise a few red flags but he wont advertise them if he knows they are scams unlike adsense.He don't need to check since he wrote that little note under the Advertisement saying that Bitcointalk is not responsable for them : "Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here." ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: el kaka22 on February 17, 2015, 08:52:56 PM i hope not to happen
would not be beautiful if it is filled with junk ads Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: newIndia on February 17, 2015, 09:58:06 PM Being an ex Googler, this is something I'd asked Theymos before. This was his PM response, which I don't believe is privileged information or includes intentions he hasn't stated elsewhere: Quote I don't want to insert foreign JavaScript into the forum. That seems potentially dangerous. Also, using external ad services gives them some influence over forum policy because they can drop us. (AdSense would probably be especially likely to complain to the forum about various things posted here, I expect.) Income could be significantly increased in many ways. For example, more ads could be added, or cheaper premium memberships (like VIP) could be sold. But the main goal of the forum is to be a good forum, not to make boatloads of money, and I don't see the need to strive for increased revenue at this time. Apart from what theymos has stated, I think, there will also be some problem regarding the Gambling content that has a dedicated section in this forum, as well as one of the biggest market of Bitcoin usage. Ref: https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/48182?hl=en (Gambling content) Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: HeroC on February 18, 2015, 02:40:33 PM Thank goodness it doesn't. It would look awful, it would no doubt include some flash exploit, no bitcoins, and would not be good overall for the site.
Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: NeuroticFish on February 18, 2015, 02:43:46 PM Also because google ads may go way too far from the interests of the people here.
I've seen Caterpillar mining tools advertised on a faucet!! That's not what we mine and what we care about... Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: b!z on February 22, 2015, 07:40:06 AM Not to mention that Adsense typically doesn't pay as well as other monetization methods (ie direct ad sales like the forum is already doing)
Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: dogie on February 22, 2015, 09:11:54 AM Not to mention that Adsense typically doesn't pay as well as other monetization methods (ie direct ad sales like the forum is already doing) Actually I ran the numbers and for vast swathes of time it would provide more $s. It takes a very high btc price to take the crown from simple CPM adsense. Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: redsn0w on February 22, 2015, 09:33:27 AM At the end google adsense isn't the best choice for this forum, it seems the ads slots (now) it is profitable/useful for all the community. As everyone of you told : the security is the most important thing in this forum.
Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 22, 2015, 09:35:36 AM At the end google adsense isn't the best choice for this forum, it seems the ads slots (now) it is profitable/useful for all the community. As everyone of you told : the security is the most important thing in this forum. You won't tell me that one of the biggest companies on the world will makes a big website like Bitcointalk simply gets hacked just because we used JavaScript Ad . Will you ? Pretty sure there is no exploits on ads ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: redsn0w on February 22, 2015, 09:45:51 AM At the end google adsense isn't the best choice for this forum, it seems the ads slots (now) it is profitable/useful for all the community. As everyone of you told : the security is the most important thing in this forum. You won't tell me that one of the biggest companies on the world will makes a big website like Bitcointalk simply gets hacked just because we used JavaScript Ad . Will you ? Pretty sure there is no exploits on ads ~ Madness Javascript ads banners are insecure, I don't know why theymos (the real reason) aren't using js code for the various banner here in the forum but for the moment with the simple html/css the forum is "almost" secure. Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on February 22, 2015, 09:51:00 AM At the end google adsense isn't the best choice for this forum, it seems the ads slots (now) it is profitable/useful for all the community. As everyone of you told : the security is the most important thing in this forum. You won't tell me that one of the biggest companies on the world will makes a big website like Bitcointalk simply gets hacked just because we used JavaScript Ad . Will you ? Pretty sure there is no exploits on ads ~ Madness Javascript ads banners are insecure, I don't know why theymos (the real reason) aren't using js code for the various banner here in the forum but for the moment with the simple html/css the forum is "almost" secure. redsn0w is right about that! You didn't read my post, did you? :) 3) Upfront payment. When using Google, we can't know how much we can earn. At the current price, forum is getting ~$1,924.02087/~10 days. 4) Exploits are possible. Proof : #1 (http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/32293/cyber-crime/malvertising-google-adwords-advertising.html) #2 (https://blog.malwarebytes.org/malvertising-2/2014/09/googles-doubleclick-ad-network-abused-once-again-in-malvertising-attacks/) Quote from: #2 Attack Overview: https://blog.malwarebytes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/overview.png Traffic Capture: https://blog.malwarebytes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Fiddler21.png I used Sulo (https://github.com/F-Secure/Sulo) to decrypt the malicious redirection that is hiding deep inside the Flash advert: https://blog.malwarebytes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/sulo1.png -MZ Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 22, 2015, 09:57:32 AM At the end google adsense isn't the best choice for this forum, it seems the ads slots (now) it is profitable/useful for all the community. As everyone of you told : the security is the most important thing in this forum. You won't tell me that one of the biggest companies on the world will makes a big website like Bitcointalk simply gets hacked just because we used JavaScript Ad . Will you ? Pretty sure there is no exploits on ads ~ Madness Javascript ads banners are insecure, I don't know why theymos (the real reason) aren't using js code for the various banner here in the forum but for the moment with the simple html/css the forum is "almost" secure. redsn0w is right about that! You didn't read my post, did you? :) 3) Upfront payment. When using Google, we can't know how much we can earn. At the current price, forum is getting ~$1,924.02087/~10 days. 4) Exploits are possible. Proof : #1 (http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/32293/cyber-crime/malvertising-google-adwords-advertising.html) #2 (https://blog.malwarebytes.org/malvertising-2/2014/09/googles-doubleclick-ad-network-abused-once-again-in-malvertising-attacks/) Quote from: #2 Attack Overview: https://blog.malwarebytes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/overview.png Traffic Capture: https://blog.malwarebytes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Fiddler21.png I used Sulo (https://github.com/F-Secure/Sulo) to decrypt the malicious redirection that is hiding deep inside the Flash advert: https://blog.malwarebytes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/sulo1.png -MZ Wow :o I see now . thanks for the explanation But I'am pretty sure that I read it before and there were no pictures on your post , weird :o ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: shorena on February 23, 2015, 09:24:31 AM -snip- Wow :o I see now . thanks for the explanation But I'am pretty sure that I read it before and there were no pictures on your post , weird :o ~ Madness It was an edit you might have missed it. Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 23, 2015, 09:27:56 AM -snip- Wow :o I see now . thanks for the explanation But I'am pretty sure that I read it before and there were no pictures on your post , weird :o ~ Madness It was an edit you might have missed it. mm then it make sense I guess , I thought I became blind ;D ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: ajareselde on February 23, 2015, 02:58:27 PM At the end google adsense isn't the best choice for this forum, it seems the ads slots (now) it is profitable/useful for all the community. As everyone of you told : the security is the most important thing in this forum. Its not only that, its about anonimity also, atleast from my point of view. With google adsence they would have to deal with taxes, which is not the case with bitcoin payments. I think they know whats best for them, whatever that reason may be. cheers Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 23, 2015, 03:00:40 PM At the end google adsense isn't the best choice for this forum, it seems the ads slots (now) it is profitable/useful for all the community. As everyone of you told : the security is the most important thing in this forum. Its not only that, its about anonimity also, atleast from my point of view. With google adsence they would have to deal with taxes, which is not the case with bitcoin payments. I think they know whats best for them, whatever that reason may be. cheers I don't get what you are trying to say here to be honest , anonimity of what exactly ? we all know Theymos real name in real life . so I don't see what he will try to hide but his name ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: ajareselde on February 23, 2015, 03:18:07 PM At the end google adsense isn't the best choice for this forum, it seems the ads slots (now) it is profitable/useful for all the community. As everyone of you told : the security is the most important thing in this forum. Its not only that, its about anonimity also, atleast from my point of view. With google adsence they would have to deal with taxes, which is not the case with bitcoin payments. I think they know whats best for them, whatever that reason may be. cheers I don't get what you are trying to say here to be honest , anonimity of what exactly ? we all know Theymos real name in real life . so I don't see what he will try to hide but his name ~ Madness Im talking about tax. I doubt they report for tax everything that they get here, with any other ad company they would be inclined to. I never said hes trying to hide his name ::) cheers Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 23, 2015, 03:20:59 PM At the end google adsense isn't the best choice for this forum, it seems the ads slots (now) it is profitable/useful for all the community. As everyone of you told : the security is the most important thing in this forum. Its not only that, its about anonimity also, atleast from my point of view. With google adsence they would have to deal with taxes, which is not the case with bitcoin payments. I think they know whats best for them, whatever that reason may be. cheers I don't get what you are trying to say here to be honest , anonimity of what exactly ? we all know Theymos real name in real life . so I don't see what he will try to hide but his name ~ Madness Im talking about tax. I doubt they report for tax everything that they get here, with any other ad company they would be inclined to. I never said hes trying to hide his name ::) cheers Taxes for what exactly ? I never heard anything about Google Adsense to be honest , there might be some fees while they send the money that's all :o ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: ajareselde on February 23, 2015, 04:14:44 PM At the end google adsense isn't the best choice for this forum, it seems the ads slots (now) it is profitable/useful for all the community. As everyone of you told : the security is the most important thing in this forum. Its not only that, its about anonimity also, atleast from my point of view. With google adsence they would have to deal with taxes, which is not the case with bitcoin payments. I think they know whats best for them, whatever that reason may be. cheers I don't get what you are trying to say here to be honest , anonimity of what exactly ? we all know Theymos real name in real life . so I don't see what he will try to hide but his name ~ Madness Im talking about tax. I doubt they report for tax everything that they get here, with any other ad company they would be inclined to. I never said hes trying to hide his name ::) cheers Taxes for what exactly ? I never heard anything about Google Adsense to be honest , there might be some fees while they send the money that's all :o ~ Madness (source:http://www.maxi-pedia.com/adsense+income+google+tax) Reporting AdSense Google income involves filling out several tax forms. Must I report Google AdSense income and pay tax on it? In general all your income must be reported to the IRS and state Departments of Revenue and is subject to taxation. Whether you end up paying taxes on your AdSense income (or AdSense revenue, see here AdSense revenue) depends on several factors which will be discussed later. State taxes apply as well. Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 23, 2015, 04:20:13 PM At the end google adsense isn't the best choice for this forum, it seems the ads slots (now) it is profitable/useful for all the community. As everyone of you told : the security is the most important thing in this forum. Its not only that, its about anonimity also, atleast from my point of view. With google adsence they would have to deal with taxes, which is not the case with bitcoin payments. I think they know whats best for them, whatever that reason may be. cheers I don't get what you are trying to say here to be honest , anonimity of what exactly ? we all know Theymos real name in real life . so I don't see what he will try to hide but his name ~ Madness Im talking about tax. I doubt they report for tax everything that they get here, with any other ad company they would be inclined to. I never said hes trying to hide his name ::) cheers Taxes for what exactly ? I never heard anything about Google Adsense to be honest , there might be some fees while they send the money that's all :o ~ Madness (source:http://www.maxi-pedia.com/adsense+income+google+tax) Reporting AdSense Google income involves filling out several tax forms. Must I report Google AdSense income and pay tax on it? In general all your income must be reported to the IRS and state Departments of Revenue and is subject to taxation. Whether you end up paying taxes on your AdSense income (or AdSense revenue, see here AdSense revenue) depends on several factors which will be discussed later. State taxes apply as well. Mmm I see . Well thank you for the informations, I didn't knew that . ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: erikalui on February 23, 2015, 04:22:27 PM I thought it already uses as I see some unnecessary ads under each post and I thought that it was a Google ad but I guess it is some other promotional ad. I don't want it to use Google adsense as then there would pop ups and ads everywhere on the forum :-\
Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Madness on February 23, 2015, 04:26:09 PM I thought it already uses as I see some unnecessary ads under each post and I thought that it was a Google ad but I guess it is some other promotional ad. I don't want it to use Google adsense as then there would pop ups and ads everywhere on the forum :-\ Nah the ads that you see them under each post aren't from Google adsense , they are from users around the forums . you can see more informations here : https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adinfo , Basically Theymos make an auction and people BID to get those slots for ads . ~ Madness Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: erikalui on February 23, 2015, 04:52:01 PM I thought it already uses as I see some unnecessary ads under each post and I thought that it was a Google ad but I guess it is some other promotional ad. I don't want it to use Google adsense as then there would pop ups and ads everywhere on the forum :-\ Nah the ads that you see them under each post aren't from Google adsense , they are from users around the forums . you can see more informations here : https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adinfo , Basically Theymos make an auction and people BID to get those slots for ads . ~ Madness Yeah, I just checked few ads and noticed they were member ads. I have seen forums using Google adsense and some ads are like videos that play when the forum is accessed. I just mute them as they are quite irritating. Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on February 23, 2015, 04:59:23 PM Its not only that, its about anonimity also, atleast from my point of view. With google adsence they would have to deal with taxes, which is not the case with bitcoin payments. I think they know whats best for them, whatever that reason may be. cheers AFAIK theymos is paying tax correctly and is responding to other legal things. -MZ Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: ajareselde on February 23, 2015, 07:01:21 PM Its not only that, its about anonimity also, atleast from my point of view. With google adsence they would have to deal with taxes, which is not the case with bitcoin payments. I think they know whats best for them, whatever that reason may be. cheers AFAIK theymos is paying tax correctly and is responding to other legal things. -MZ You have no way of knowing things as private as that, at best it can be "hearsay". Anyways, noone said he isnt either, and i doubt anyone cares, it was just a question of transparency of different ad services. cheers Title: Re: Why Bitcointalk don't use Google Adsense ? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on February 23, 2015, 07:11:14 PM You have no way of knowing things as private as that, at best it can be "hearsay". Anyways, noone said he isnt either, and i doubt anyone cares, it was just a question of transparency of different ad services. cheers "There is always a way, you may think all doors are closed to *you* but when one closes, another opens." ;) I finally got the forum's 2013 taxes finished (after an extension). Here's the final accounting summary for 2011-2013. All values are USD at transaction time because this makes the numbers more easy to understand, though the forum only holds BTC. Code: Income Here are the totals for 2014 up to now. These numbers are in BTC. - Income: 522 - Expenses: 1505 (1257 Slickage, the rest mostly mods) Also, 250 BTC was probably lost when treasurer paraipan died, unfortunately. Recovering that BTC is maybe still possible, but it's probably unlikely. The forum currently has about 5568 BTC in reserve. BTW, if you are unfamiliar with how tax works with Bitcoin, you'll probably be really confused at how the forum experienced a net loss in 2013 but still paid a lot of tax. That happens because every expense "triggers" substantial capital gains, and therefore capital gains tax. The forum essentially pays a variable-rate tax on all expenses. If you're interested: I used the LIFO method for calculating capital gains. My idea is to "save up" BTC batches until they become long-term, which has a lower tax rate. My understanding is that you can use any capital gains calculation method, though. (This is not tax advice -- consult a CPA.) -MZ |
