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Title: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on March 02, 2015, 09:05:22 PM Hi, This is an accusation against Ume https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366936
I bought this account from him this month. Obviously, I am wiilling to provide all the proof for it. I would request Quickseller to remove the negative trust that he has put on it. This account was posted by Ume in an auction. Also, before it was sold to me, Ume sent a PM to the ButterZone begging for money , and I was banned from the forum for a week for that. I can obviously, provide proof for it, but am outside. I have asked Ume to clear it up . Sent him a message. Also, I am requesting Quickseller to remove his negative trust. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on March 02, 2015, 09:09:18 PM I received the following PM from this account
Hi Quickseller. I bought this account from Ume, and now see a neagtive trust for it. I was not able to find any evidence of this account being given as collateral for a loan in the relivant time period. As far as I know, this account was given as a loan ,and defaulted on it. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: hilariousetc on March 02, 2015, 09:12:19 PM Ume was banned earlier for a couple of weeks. So is he an alt of tacoman71?
Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on March 02, 2015, 09:14:14 PM Quickseller have a look at this please https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941505.0
Also have a look at the posts referenced in there. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on March 02, 2015, 09:42:40 PM Ume was banned earlier for a couple of weeks. So is he an alt of tacoman71? From the looks at it The Twipple account posted 15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10255801#msg10255801) on Jan 25, which is the address that connected the account to tacoman71. From the looks of it, almost exactly 60 hours later (5 days, which was the term of the loan), the twipple account started spamming short one liners, starting on Jan 30. I see that someone mentioned that Ume was banned (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941505.msg10327094#msg10327094) on Feb 1, however it looks like twipple stopped posting from Jan 31 to Feb 7. This is roughly the time that Ume was not posting so I think it is reasonable to say that Ume did not evade his ban via twipple. However the tx that funded the loan was made on Jan 25 @ roughly 6 PM forum time with a public note (via blockchain.info) saying the loan was due on Jan 30 @ 6PM (forum time?), (https://blockchain.info/tx/1114a697d9636307d31afaeb8cc0c55af37cd82ba7acaf80b333dcf67d7fb780) which is roughly the time the twipple account starts posting again. It is also before this transaction, which was made (https://blockchain.info/tx/d515a082b1df9b515e8f826cae84f41629183f26575bd014ba3d32ecddc9b633) roughly 3 hours after the loan was due, which implies that twipple never spent the money until after he said he would repay the loan, which implies he was lending to himself. The transaction that spent the funds from the loan connected twipple to tacoman71. The fact that both Ume and twipple stopped posting and resumed posting at roughly the same time (during a ban) links the two accounts together. The fact that the twipple account started posting on Feb 7 means that twipple likely was controlled by ume as of Feb 7. The fact that the security log (http://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php) does not show twipple changing his password within the last 30 days implies that it was not sold in the last 30 days (which includes feb 7). I am not going to remove my negative trust for twipple, I am however going to add negative trust for Ume, for both likely lending to himself to build up trust for himself and for being a likely alt of tacoman71 Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: lolled on March 02, 2015, 09:53:24 PM Ok, I am going to have to jump in. I posted the scam accusation against Ume. I figured he was doing some shady stuff on the forum.
After I saw him post Twipple account for sale, I thought he never gave the loan to Twipple but hacked the account himself. I instead bought the account of Twipple from him, to check if Twipple had gotten his account back or he didn't. Ume also managed to get his trust removed for some reason, and no one believed me on that thread. SO Quickseller,your analysis on Twipple is wrong. I don't know why Twipple had posted that address. But just so you know, the amount didn't move out of that address till Feb 1st, which was after the loan was due. there might be something else that is missing that Ume might have tried to pull off. As for this " The fact that both Ume and twipple stopped posting and resumed posting at roughly the same time (during a ban) links the two accounts together. " As soon as I bought Twipple, I looked at the messages and in the Outbox, there was a message to Butterzone begging as a friend. Don't know why Ume was doing that . Just 2 days later, Twipple was banned for that message for 7 days. And Ume was banned to for some other reason, which a Moderator can clarify. Ume also received a negative trust because of that thread of mine, and for giving trust to himself through an altaccount ,but he convinced the person who gave him the trust to remove it Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: hilariousetc on March 02, 2015, 10:14:38 PM Ume was banned for shitposting. The recent thread by dumbum asking about a ban for unsubstantial posts + sig ad is him.
Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: newflesh on March 02, 2015, 10:21:05 PM Twipple stills owes me btc for graphic design work I did for him over a year ago. When I stopped replying to his PMs he tried contacting me via his alt account BitShopper: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=188396
More proof: My username for the site is: twipple I love the site, it's great. Easy to use, addictive and it actually works. Managed to turn 0.1 into 0.7 in just 45 minutes of play. Good job! Not sure if this is relevant to the thread, thought I'd post it up anyways Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on March 02, 2015, 10:25:45 PM Ume was banned for shitposting. The recent thread by dumbum asking about a ban for unsubstantial posts + sig ad is him. So this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973859.0) is from Ume? Looking at both Ume and twipple, I see both their post seems to be very short and insubstantial. I don't exactly have a lot of experience in getting banned, but I don't think you receive notification for the exact reason for the ban, but rather a much more general reason (e.g. what rule was broken). I also understand that generally speaking, the lowest ban period is going to be 7 days, so if twipple was banned two days after ume was banned, then it wouldn't be able to post again until 2 days after ume started posting again, however they both started posting on the same day. I don't think lolled is credible/trustworthy enough to believe he is a separate person from ume, so I don't think him posting is sufficient to have the trust removed. If he really did buy the account and Ume wants to be credible then he should refund lolled whatever he paid for it Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: lolled on March 02, 2015, 10:28:27 PM Ume was banned for shitposting. The recent thread by dumbum asking about a ban for unsubstantial posts + sig ad is him. So this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973859.0) is from Ume? Looking at both Ume and twipple, I see both their post seems to be very short and insubstantial. I don't exactly have a lot of experience in getting banned, but I don't think you receive notification for the exact reason for the ban, but rather a much more general reason (e.g. what rule was broken). I also understand that generally speaking, the lowest ban period is going to be 7 days, so if twipple was banned two days after ume was banned, then it wouldn't be able to post again until 2 days after ume started posting again, however they both started posting on the same day. I don't think lolled is credible/trustworthy enough to believe he is a separate person from ume, so I don't think him posting is sufficient to have the trust removed. If he really did buy the account and Ume wants to be credible then he should refund lolled whatever he paid for it I don't have to be trustworthy for that .The reason Ume at first got a negative trust was because of the thread I created. Why would I create a thread with so much information for just getting my own account a negative rep ? I wouldbe fine with Ume refunding me for it. I will await his reply on this. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on March 02, 2015, 10:31:27 PM Ume was banned for shitposting. The recent thread by dumbum asking about a ban for unsubstantial posts + sig ad is him. So this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973859.0) is from Ume? Looking at both Ume and twipple, I see both their post seems to be very short and insubstantial. I don't exactly have a lot of experience in getting banned, but I don't think you receive notification for the exact reason for the ban, but rather a much more general reason (e.g. what rule was broken). I also understand that generally speaking, the lowest ban period is going to be 7 days, so if twipple was banned two days after ume was banned, then it wouldn't be able to post again until 2 days after ume started posting again, however they both started posting on the same day. I don't think lolled is credible/trustworthy enough to believe he is a separate person from ume, so I don't think him posting is sufficient to have the trust removed. If he really did buy the account and Ume wants to be credible then he should refund lolled whatever he paid for it I don't have to be trustworthy for that .The reason Ume at first got a negative trust was because of the thread I created. Why would I create a thread with so much information for just getting my own account a negative rep ? I wouldbe fine with Ume refunding me for it. I will await his reply on this. The fact that ume does or does not take back the account has nothing to do with me I am not sure why you would buy an account that you thought, and had some level of evidence was hacked. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: lolled on March 02, 2015, 10:37:21 PM Ume was banned for shitposting. The recent thread by dumbum asking about a ban for unsubstantial posts + sig ad is him. So this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973859.0) is from Ume? Looking at both Ume and twipple, I see both their post seems to be very short and insubstantial. I don't exactly have a lot of experience in getting banned, but I don't think you receive notification for the exact reason for the ban, but rather a much more general reason (e.g. what rule was broken). I also understand that generally speaking, the lowest ban period is going to be 7 days, so if twipple was banned two days after ume was banned, then it wouldn't be able to post again until 2 days after ume started posting again, however they both started posting on the same day. I don't think lolled is credible/trustworthy enough to believe he is a separate person from ume, so I don't think him posting is sufficient to have the trust removed. If he really did buy the account and Ume wants to be credible then he should refund lolled whatever he paid for it I don't have to be trustworthy for that .The reason Ume at first got a negative trust was because of the thread I created. Why would I create a thread with so much information for just getting my own account a negative rep ? I wouldbe fine with Ume refunding me for it. I will await his reply on this. The fact that ume does or does not take back the account has nothing to do with me He was given a negative trust because I pointed out that user geforcelover belonged to him , and was used to give Ume a alt account positive trust. "The fact that ume does or does not take back the account has nothing to do with me" It doesn't ,but the facts are clear that Twipple has been purchased by me, and is no longer affliated with the scammer, and this should be enough for you to remove the negative trust on Twipple. Your negative trust is on the assumption that Twipple used the same address in the past, and it might actually have been a reason , why he took a loan . But it defaulted, and came into control of Ume , and it was sold to me. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: lolled on March 02, 2015, 10:42:39 PM I also just read the taco was hacked by someone which is the reason why it got the rating . May I ask why did Twipple got related with that ?
In your trust rating you say : tacoman71 posted the address 1Fz6xXind3Kovsw4ArW6u7oMXRZTUSBj1G (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812533.msg10239935#msg10239935) which signed https://blockchain.info/tx/bfd3ec181aeae8abd8da9e63f6c4772ff8fceb6d4c0f3472cac66b6c77649353 that was also signed by 1Fo6Uy8JWnV9SnDM5LBnYA8nnCQgbfbyDT and Twipple posted 15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10255801#msg10255801 which signed d515a082b1df9b515e8f826cae84f41629183f26575bd014ba3d32ecddc9b633 But Twipple posted a fresh address never signed to anything before : 15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB So how is it related ? EDIT: Signing an address is new to me, will have to read about it. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on March 02, 2015, 10:44:58 PM The reason I think they are one and the same is because twipple did not start posting until almost exactly until the loan was due, then stopped posting at almost the exactly the same time that ume was banned, and resumed posting at almost the exact same time that ume was likely unbanned. Additionally the funds from the loan were not spent until after the loan was due.
Additionally, the posting style of both accounts is very low quality and spammy. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: lolled on March 02, 2015, 10:59:51 PM The reason I think they are one and the same is because twipple did not start posting until almost exactly until the loan was due, then stopped posting at almost the exactly the same time that ume was banned, and resumed posting at almost the exact same time that ume was likely unbanned. Additionally the funds from the loan were not spent until after the loan was due. Additionally, the posting style of both accounts is very low quality and spammy. Well , Like I had already said before, here is the explanation to that. 1. Twipple takes a loan from Ume, and gives his account as collateral. - During this time Twipple was a Member status 2. After the due date is over, Ume created this thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941098 asking if its fine if he sells Twipples account as he didn;t pay back on loan. 3. Ume , then created an auction for selling an account : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941258 He realized, that he would get a better price for selling the account if he got it to a full member status. And he made some posts after seizing the account . 4. I contacted Ume , and bought Twipple's account, and right after I bought it, I saw a message sent to TBZ before I bought it begging for money. I just ignored it, and a day later Twipple got banned for 7 days due to Begging. Here is a picture : https://i.imgur.com/aQqEP15.png The message above inthe picture shows that Ume contacted TBZ at a time , hourse before he sold and gave me the account details (2nd picture in the link above. ) Ume was banned for some other reason, and Twipple got banned due to begging ^ It happened at the same time as a coincidence, and can be confirmed by a mod. 5. I was the one who created the scam accusation against Ume, and its funny, that I am the one paying for it. I am off for work, and will wait for Ume to reply when he is back online . Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on March 03, 2015, 12:47:26 AM The reason I think they are one and the same is because twipple did not start posting until almost exactly until the loan was due, then stopped posting at almost the exactly the same time that ume was banned, and resumed posting at almost the exact same time that ume was likely unbanned. Additionally the funds from the loan were not spent until after the loan was due. Additionally, the posting style of both accounts is very low quality and spammy. Well , Like I had already said before, here is the explanation to that. 1. Twipple takes a loan from Ume, and gives his account as collateral. - During this time Twipple was a Member status 2. After the due date is over, Ume created this thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941098 Agreed, however I still argue that they are the same person the entire time. asking if its fine if he sells Twipples account as he didn;t pay back on loan. 3. Ume , then created an auction for selling an account : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941258 I won't dispute that. He realized, that he would get a better price for selling the account if he got it to a full member status. And he made some posts after seizing the account . 4. I contacted Ume , and bought Twipple's account, and right after I bought it, I saw a message sent to TBZ before I bought it begging for money. I just ignored it, and a day later Twipple got banned for 7 days due to Begging. First you said it was banned after two days, I have shown that they were banned at the same time, now you are saying it was banned the next day. Which one is it?Here is a picture : that proves nothing. https://i.imgur.com/aQqEP15.png The message above inthe picture shows that Ume contacted TBZ at a time , hourse before he sold and gave me the account details (2nd picture in the link above. ) Nope. And how would you know the reason that Ume was banned? lol(led)Ume was banned for some other reason, and Twipple got banned due to begging ^ It happened at the same time as a coincidence, and can be confirmed by a mod. 5. I was the one who created the scam accusation against Ume, and its funny, that I am the one paying for it. If you seriously think that you could create a scam accusation against Ume one day and then the same day try to buy an account from him and seriously think it is not involved in some kind of scam then I am sorry but you are an idiot. I am off for work, and will wait for Ume to reply when he is back online . Right, "he"Either way. Just because you purchased an account that was involved with a scam and/or associated with a scammer does not mean that any negative trust that results from such scam should be removed. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: botany on March 03, 2015, 01:46:24 AM If you are talking about Ume, you should have a look at this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=834733.msg9875630#msg9875630).
He got away by claiming that his account was hacked. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Dumbum on March 03, 2015, 03:13:59 AM Hi, This is an accusation against Ume https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366936 I bought this account from him this month. Obviously, I am wiilling to provide all the proof for it. I would request Quickseller to remove the negative trust that he has put on it. This account was posted by Ume in an auction. Also, before it was sold to me, Ume sent a PM to the ButterZone begging for money , and I was banned from the forum for a week for that. I can obviously, provide proof for it, but am outside. I have asked Ume to clear it up . Sent him a message. Also, I am requesting Quickseller to remove his negative trust. Hi guys . I m Ume . Just wanted to clear somethings . (I'm replying from mobile cant add refrences) First of all i started loaning sone btc to users with collateral but as the user twipple came in asked for loan when his member status was (member) he asked me for loan of .05 or so cant remember . After the due date of paying i created a thread .saying help me what to do with his account he did'nt contact me never spends the money which i lent . So what should i do they all said sell his account . But i did like 10 posts and still it remain on member level . After with the current owner of twipple paid me upfront without using escrow and i release details (twipple was not me ) @lolled did you bought account using alt ? I never hacked or scammed any person here . @quickseller you know that i made a mistake only i gave rep my self you said to remove i did . But after that i never gave loan to anyone because i thought i dont have enough reputation or experience . I never beg here for anything . Never scammed anyone . For being good on this forum you get neg trust thats not fair . Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: lolled on March 03, 2015, 09:24:18 AM If you are talking about Ume, you should have a look at this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=834733.msg9875630#msg9875630). He got away by claiming that his account was hacked. Well thats what I have always been saying. I still don't see why Quickseller would neg rep, when clearly I bought the account. If I took a loan from Twipple(as Twipple), I would just get back the possession of the account by just paying back. Not defaulting and then hoping to buy it back. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: lolled on March 03, 2015, 09:34:13 AM 1. Twipple takes a loan from Ume, and gives his account as collateral. - During this time Twipple was a Member status No they were not. Look at the posting history . I can give an escrow or you access to the account, and you can see all the messages of the Twipple account, to see Twipple and Ume are not the same person. Twipple defaulted on a loan, and that is how Ume got it. 4. I contacted Ume , and bought Twipple's account, and right after I bought it, I saw a message sent to TBZ before I bought it begging for money. I just ignored it, and a day later Twipple got banned for 7 days due to Begging. First you said it was banned after two days, I have shown that they were banned at the same time, now you are saying it was banned the next day. Which one is it?Here is a picture : that proves nothing. https://i.imgur.com/aQqEP15.png Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: lolled on March 03, 2015, 09:44:09 AM The message above inthe picture shows that Ume contacted TBZ at a time , hourse before he sold and gave me the account details (2nd picture in the link above. ) Nope. And how would you know the reason that Ume was banned? lol(led)Ume was banned for some other reason, and Twipple got banned due to begging ^ It happened at the same time as a coincidence, and can be confirmed by a mod. Did I ever say I know the reason why Ume was banned ? lol(led) back. I just said,I know why Twipple was banned. It was because Ume before selling the account, sent a message begging. To prove which, I provided the picture above. 5. I was the one who created the scam accusation against Ume, and its funny, that I am the one paying for it. If you seriously think that you could create a scam accusation against Ume one day and then the same day try to buy an account from him and seriously think it is not involved in some kind of scam then I am sorry but you are an idiot. The scam accusation against Ume wasn't against some shitty he had done. It was for the reason , that he was giving out loans only to get more accounts in his possession. He hasn't been in any scam that I know of. I checked Twipples account before buying it. It wasn't involved involved in any scam. 5. I was the one who created the scam accusation against Ume, and its funny, that I am the one paying for it. If you seriously think that you could create a scam accusation against Ume one day and then the same day try to buy an account from him and seriously think it is not involved in some kind of scam then I am sorry but you are an idiot. I am off for work, and will wait for Ume to reply when he is back online . Right, "he"Excuse me ? I can't go to work without your permission now ? I don't have time like you to stay on the forum 24 hours, farming 100's of accounts and selling them . Maybe you should let your ego out of the way ,and make a sensible judgement, that I purchased an account from Ume, and I am not scamming or was involved in any scam of any kind. ALso, I am not sure about the signing transactions part yet, but please confirm this for me : Are you saying that Twipple was an alt of taco , because the address that twipple posted : 15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB had the funds move into another address 17c2cHYmTT4LzRfi3UPP8ozcRHbxTrwca6 , which has a previous input from an address: 1Fo6Uy8JWnV9SnDM5LBnYA8nnCQgbfbyDT Which was involved with taco ? Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: redsn0w on March 03, 2015, 10:30:04 AM I think it is too late, it's better to avoid this type of thread (better to "discuss" via PM). Good luck.
Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: lolled on March 03, 2015, 10:34:06 AM I think it is too late, it's better to avoid this type of thread (better to "discuss" via PM). Good luck. Well Honestly, I don't mind it being late. I did send him a PM, but he never replied but continued the discussion here. Its good to have such memebers in the community who keep a watch out for scams. I created this account lolled, for the exact same purpose. But Quickseller is overdoing it. Its pretty clear that I bought Twipple, even then he chose to not remove his trust. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on March 03, 2015, 04:21:18 PM I think it is too late, it's better to avoid this type of thread (better to "discuss" via PM). Good luck. Well Honestly, I don't mind it being late. I did send him a PM, but he never replied but continued the discussion here. Its good to have such memebers in the community who keep a watch out for scams. I created this account lolled, for the exact same purpose. But Quickseller is overdoing it. Its pretty clear that I bought Twipple, even then he chose to not remove his trust. I disagree with most of what you said above however I am not going to respond to each point individually. Either way. Just because you purchased an account that was involved with a scam and/or associated with a scammer does not mean that any negative trust that results from such scam should be removed. /threadTitle: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: lolled on March 03, 2015, 04:45:44 PM I think it is too late, it's better to avoid this type of thread (better to "discuss" via PM). Good luck. Well Honestly, I don't mind it being late. I did send him a PM, but he never replied but continued the discussion here. Its good to have such memebers in the community who keep a watch out for scams. I created this account lolled, for the exact same purpose. But Quickseller is overdoing it. Its pretty clear that I bought Twipple, even then he chose to not remove his trust. Thats not true. I sent you a message yesterday . Here is proof. Still denying it ? https://i.imgur.com/y8GyKdc.png?1 I am going to ask you one last thing I am not sure about the signing transactions part yet, but please confirm this for me : Are you saying that Twipple was an alt of taco , because the address that twipple posted : 15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB had the funds move into another address 17c2cHYmTT4LzRfi3UPP8ozcRHbxTrwca6 , which has a previous input from an address: 1Fo6Uy8JWnV9SnDM5LBnYA8nnCQgbfbyDT Which was involved with taco's address ? Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 19, 2015, 07:33:26 PM Can't make sense out of this PM I just received, HALP!
Hi the ButterZone. I just saw your trust on my profile , and I wanted to request you to remove it. "Begging over PM, I have no idea who this is. Typo is theirs. "hey can you give me some btc as a firned ?"" There was actually a negative trust on my account because of some other issue, on which I had several threads on the Meta Section, so I didn't bother with the negative trust. But now just wanted to clarify things with you. I bought the account from Ume on 31st January. That is also the time he claimed ownership of this account, as he had received it because of a defaulted loan. He used the account before selling it to me to send you the PM for begging. Proof that I bought it and it was sent to me , after the PM was sent to you: https://i.imgur.com/GdW3BlD.png Also an unedited post by me addressing the fact that he begged over PM to you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974336.msg10634918#msg10634918 All this was before you came to the defaulted list. If you need any other proof , please let me know. Thank you Compare this: Hi, This is an accusation against Ume https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366936 I bought this account from him this month. Obviously, I am wiilling to provide all the proof for it. "This" month=March. With this: I bought the account from Ume on 31st January. That month=January. 2 whole months off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLezV_FmX38 https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php only goes back 1 month, so I can't verify whether the password was changed at the alleged time of account sale. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on May 19, 2015, 07:42:04 PM I might be able to halp you if you send me some BTC as a firned :D
It seems that the sale was in fact faked and he slipped up that no one caught on. I would prepare to get your inbox spammed by a lot of PM's from this person. I knew that something was going to happen similar to this when you got tee-added to BadBears list. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 19, 2015, 07:53:06 PM Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first.
Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 19, 2015, 08:16:01 PM Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first. I would be happy to PM an admin or Mod to check that for you and confirm it. I would also be happy to have an escrow log in to my account and check the messages to confirm that. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 19, 2015, 08:17:19 PM It seems that the sale was in fact faked and he slipped up that no one caught on. I would prepare to get your inbox spammed by a lot of PM's from this person. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Muhammed Zakir on May 20, 2015, 04:24:00 AM It seems that the sale was in fact faked and he slipped up that no one caught on. I would prepare to get your inbox spammed by a lot of PM's from this person. Quickseller now whats your problem again ? Why do you think it was faked ? I was the one who started the scam accusation against Ume(before any negative trust was added) , Why would I be stupid enough to do that ? This? -snip- Compare this: Hi, This is an accusation against Ume https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366936 I bought this account from him this month. Obviously, I am wiilling to provide all the proof for it. "This" month=March. With this: I bought the account from Ume on 31st January. That month=January. 2 whole months off. -snip- Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 21, 2015, 06:51:47 PM theymos finally sent me an IP-redacted seclog AFTER Twipple quoted theymos sending the IP-unredacted one.
Code: +---------------------+---------------+----------+ Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume? abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP. jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP. In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times? This all makes less sense as time goes on. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 06:56:50 PM theymos finally sent me an IP-redacted seclog AFTER Twipple quoted theymos sending the IP-unredacted one. Code: +---------------------+---------------+----------+ Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume? abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP. jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP. In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times? This all makes less sense as time goes on. Yes , thats Ume. So Twipple changed the password on 25th , and provided it to Ume (for the loan) . Then Ume changed the password himself. (2nd one). Then when he sold it to me, He changed the password to the one which is in the the PM image I sent to you(3rd one), and then I am the last one to change it(4th) after that. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: chriswen on May 21, 2015, 06:58:57 PM Hah, Quickseller. I just take his comments with a gigantic grain of salt. I wish there was some way to remove him from my trust list.
Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: erikalui on May 21, 2015, 07:03:26 PM theymos finally sent me an IP-redacted seclog AFTER Twipple quoted theymos sending the IP-unredacted one. Code: +---------------------+---------------+----------+ Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume? abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP. jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP. In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times? This all makes less sense as time goes on. Yes , thats Ume. So Twipple changed the password on 25th , and provided it to Ume (for the loan) . Then Ume changed the password himself. (2nd one). Then when he sold it to me, He changed the password to the one is the PM image(3rd one), and then I am the last one to change it(4th) . So this is the proof that the real Twipple, Ume and this Twipple are 3 individuals as their IPs are different, right? Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 07:06:53 PM So this is the proof that the real Twipple, Ume and this Twipple are 3 individuals as their IPs are different, right? Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 21, 2015, 07:22:43 PM theymos finally sent me an IP-redacted seclog AFTER Twipple quoted theymos sending the IP-unredacted one. Code: +---------------------+---------------+----------+ Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume? abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP. jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP. In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times? This all makes less sense as time goes on. Yes , thats Ume. So Twipple changed the password on 25th , and provided it to Ume (for the loan) . Then Ume changed the password himself. (2nd one). Then when he sold it to me, He changed the password to the one is the PM image(3rd one), and then I am the last one to change it(4th) . So this is the proof that the real Twipple, Ume and this Twipple are 3 individuals as their IPs are different, right? No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to. How many hours of everyone's time has been wasted by account selling and throwing theories around about scammer alts, whether negs should be removed, etc? If this was my forum, every sold account would be banned, with some sort of algorithm to detect it (password change forces logout and immediate relogin from same IP, perhaps). Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on May 21, 2015, 07:25:11 PM theymos finally sent me an IP-redacted seclog AFTER Twipple quoted theymos sending the IP-unredacted one. Assuming that none of the IP addresses can be linked to a known tor exit node or a VPN then it is most likely the account was sold. Code: +---------------------+---------------+----------+ Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume? abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP. jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP. In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times? This all makes less sense as time goes on. The account was taken as collateral for a loan on the 25th by a scammer, the funds were not spent until after the loan was due. So the scammer changed the password (1) and gave it to Ume, then Ume changed it (2). Later after the OP opened a scam accusation against Ume, the account was sold to the OP likely because of pressure from the scam accusation. Escrow does not appear to be used so Ume changed the password (3) to give to the buyer when then changed it again (4). While the account does appear to be sold, it does not change the fact that the OP engaged in extremely unethical behavior by opening a scam accusation against the seller ~2 hours before buying it via an alt. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 07:28:15 PM No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to. As for Ume and me being the same person, here is a thread by me : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941505.0 I started a scam accusation against Ume, for couple of things. Which should make it obvious that he and I are not the same person. The thread was started before any negative trust came on either Ume or Twipple. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 07:30:09 PM While the account does appear to be sold, it does not change the fact that the OP engaged in extremely unethical behavior by opening a scam accusation against the seller ~2 hours before buying it via an alt. Unethical how ? I just bought an account from him, at the right market price. I didn't ask him to give it to me for cheap because of the loan either. Plus, its not worth a negative rep because I am not scamming anyone in any way. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on May 21, 2015, 07:36:43 PM While the account does appear to be sold, it does not change the fact that the OP engaged in extremely unethical behavior by opening a scam accusation against the seller ~2 hours before buying it via an alt. Unethical how ? I just bought an account from him, at the right market price. I didn't ask him to give it to me for cheap because of the loan either. Plus, its not worth a negative rep because I am not scamming anyone in any way. Additionally the fact that Ume is almost always around at roughly the same time you are around to back up your statements/claims makes me further suspicious that you are somehow associated with him despite the evidence to the contrary above. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: erikalui on May 21, 2015, 07:37:36 PM No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to. How many hours of everyone's time has been wasted by account selling and throwing theories around about scammer alts, whether negs should be removed, etc? If this was my forum, every sold account would be banned, with some sort of algorithm to detect it (password change forces logout and immediate relogin from same IP, perhaps). Yeah, proxy can be used. If the OP tried to fake this account sale, I don't see a huge amount risked here as I don't think he even made a good amount in BTC by faking this sale or scamming anyone here. If this case is true, such a person needs treatment. I've never come across such a rare case in my life. Account sales should be banned here else such cases would keep coming up and the admin would need to provide evidences for such scams. Here I can't even say if I am talking to 5 different people on my thread or if it's one person. I actually have spoken to 3 different members on this forum for a deal and now I realized the 3 members were actually only 1 person who owns more 4-5 accounts. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 21, 2015, 07:37:37 PM No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to. Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first. With only a log of these ridiculous password changes being inconclusive, the preponderance has not been reached. I started a scam accusation against Ume, for couple of things. Which should make it obvious that he and I are not the same person. The thread was started before any negative trust came on either Ume or Twipple. I could have sworn my initial negative on Twipple (which might have showed under untrusted feedback) was on Jan 31 2015, the day I got the begging PM, and I deleted/replaced it later to shorten my Dropbox URL. Is there a ratings log that shows removals? Assuming that none of the IP addresses can be linked to a known tor exit node or a VPN then it is most likely the account was sold. Where can I input the IP addresses to detect those links? Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 07:43:12 PM While the account does appear to be sold, it does not change the fact that the OP engaged in extremely unethical behavior by opening a scam accusation against the seller ~2 hours before buying it via an alt. Unethical how ? I just bought an account from him, at the right market price. I didn't ask him to give it to me for cheap because of the loan either. Plus, its not worth a negative rep because I am not scamming anyone in any way. Ok, Firstly, I do not wish to let this discussion affect the negative trust on my account by TBZ in anyway, as its not related to this in anyway, so if you want to discuss it through, then PM me. I will just do it one last time for you. Obviously, I wouldn't have used my original account. I actually bought the account to prove that there was something fishy, and since I was also getting it for the market price(Note , it was 0.05 for a Member acccount ) , I didn't mind. And him pointing out would not ruin my credibility, as its not scamming to buy accounts. Additionally the fact that Ume is almost always around at roughly the same time you are around to back up your statements/claims makes me further suspicious that you are somehow associated with him despite the evidence to the contrary above. I thought we were over with this phase. I started the initial scam accusation against him, and it was also during the loan with him that an address was posted. Being around at the same time is not my fault. Just because you Quickseller spend your life on the forum, and are online at the same time with another guy, doesn't mean you are him. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 07:45:24 PM No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to. Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first. With only a log of these ridiculous password changes being inconclusive, the preponderance has not been reached. What you wanted was the log for PM change. The PM change log doesn't show the IP anyways, which I provided to you as a courtesy and theymos didn't. How is it inconclusive in anyway ? Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on May 21, 2015, 07:45:42 PM You should be able to check for tor exit nodes on the tor projects website (I assume) for VPNs that is much more difficult. I believe that you can even get VPN gateways of residential IP addresses with some services (http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/27897/vpn-service-that-provides-ip-s-that-look-like-a-residential-isp) so any list of VPN IP addresses would be incomplete.
Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Umekhan on May 21, 2015, 07:58:02 PM No reason for making this scam thread about me ..
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol. 2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05. 3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy , 4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account. If you have further questions to ask me then i m here, Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 07:59:41 PM No reason for making this scam thread about me .. 1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol. 2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05. 3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy , 4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account. If you have further questions to ask me then i m here, Can you admit you sent that message(begging) to TheButterZone ? Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and the account I bought the account from and from the time of the messages prove that it was you. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Umekhan on May 21, 2015, 08:00:41 PM No reason for making this scam thread about me .. 1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol. 2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05. 3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy , 4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account. If you have further questions to ask me then i m here, Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ? Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you. No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont .. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 08:03:30 PM No reason for making this scam thread about me .. 1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol. 2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05. 3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy , 4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account. If you have further questions to ask me then i m here, Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ? Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you. No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont .. TheButterZone , how would you like to proceed on this ? Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Umekhan on May 21, 2015, 08:06:22 PM No reason for making this scam thread about me .. 1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol. 2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05. 3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy , 4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account. If you have further questions to ask me then i m here, Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ? Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you. No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont .. TheButterZone , how would you like to proceed on this ? Well there is no such reason that i ask for some shit money . in the mean time, I was running an exchange For Pakistani`s you can check my trust. Giving loans. so this means i have enough bitcoins , Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 08:09:57 PM No reason for making this scam thread about me .. 1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol. 2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05. 3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy , 4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account. If you have further questions to ask me then i m here, Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ? Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you. No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont .. TheButterZone , how would you like to proceed on this ? Well there is no such reason that i ask for some shit money . in the mean time, I was running an exchange For Pakistani`s you can check my trust. Giving loans. so this means i have enough bitcoins , @TBZ, PM me and I will be happy to provide you another definite proof that Twipple and Ume are not the same person. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Umekhan on May 21, 2015, 08:12:48 PM No reason for making this scam thread about me .. 1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol. 2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05. 3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy , 4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account. If you have further questions to ask me then i m here, Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ? Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you. No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont .. TheButterZone , how would you like to proceed on this ? Well there is no such reason that i ask for some shit money . in the mean time, I was running an exchange For Pakistani`s you can check my trust. Giving loans. so this means i have enough bitcoins , @TBZ, PM me and I will be happy to provide you another definite proof that Twipple and Ume are not the same person. And i guess you are going to make a scam accusation against Ume , because of (LYCAN) i have proof of that too .. that its get hacked , gl dude.. i think you have nothing do rather then making scam accusation against me . GOOD LUCK Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 08:22:36 PM @TheButterZone , please let me know what other proof you want, and how you want to proceed with this. I already provided you with the Password change log, that you requested, and the PM Log. The next thing I can do is, have an escrow log in to the account and verify everything, which I also offered before.
I am heading out, and will await your reply. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 21, 2015, 08:25:43 PM You should be able to check for tor exit nodes on the tor projects website (I assume) for VPNs that is much more difficult. I believe that you can even get VPN gateways of residential IP addresses with some services (http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/27897/vpn-service-that-provides-ip-s-that-look-like-a-residential-isp) so any list of VPN IP addresses would be incomplete. Ruh roh. https://collector.torproject.org/archive/exit-lists/exit-list-2015-01.tar.xz 2015-01-25-05-02-07 & 2015-01-31-00-02-02 have IP #4. 25- ECBBE1D6832FFAFC8FA1344E13BF4D252D477F61 91.196.48.203 31- ECBBE1D6832FFAFC8FA1344E13BF4D252D477F61 91.196.48.203 Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Quickseller on May 21, 2015, 08:29:45 PM You should be able to check for tor exit nodes on the tor projects website (I assume) for VPNs that is much more difficult. I believe that you can even get VPN gateways of residential IP addresses with some services (http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/27897/vpn-service-that-provides-ip-s-that-look-like-a-residential-isp) so any list of VPN IP addresses would be incomplete. Ruh roh. https://collector.torproject.org/archive/exit-lists/exit-list-2015-01.tar.xz 2015-01-25-05-02-07 & 2015-01-31-00-02-02 have IP #4. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 08:34:46 PM You should be able to check for tor exit nodes on the tor projects website (I assume) for VPNs that is much more difficult. I believe that you can even get VPN gateways of residential IP addresses with some services (http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/27897/vpn-service-that-provides-ip-s-that-look-like-a-residential-isp) so any list of VPN IP addresses would be incomplete. Ruh roh. https://collector.torproject.org/archive/exit-lists/exit-list-2015-01.tar.xz 2015-01-25-05-02-07 & 2015-01-31-00-02-02 have IP #4. Thanks for being a fan quickseller, I am sorry you have no life or wife, or any living social life around you, and are forced to earn the money by just posting here. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 08:35:07 PM You should be able to check for tor exit nodes on the tor projects website (I assume) for VPNs that is much more difficult. I believe that you can even get VPN gateways of residential IP addresses with some services (http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/27897/vpn-service-that-provides-ip-s-that-look-like-a-residential-isp) so any list of VPN IP addresses would be incomplete. Ruh roh. https://collector.torproject.org/archive/exit-lists/exit-list-2015-01.tar.xz 2015-01-25-05-02-07 & 2015-01-31-00-02-02 have IP #4. 25- ECBBE1D6832FFAFC8FA1344E13BF4D252D477F61 91.196.48.203 31- ECBBE1D6832FFAFC8FA1344E13BF4D252D477F61 91.196.48.203 What about it ? Does using TOR mean that he and I are the same person ? How does that logic come into play now ? I use TOR because I did not wish to disclose my identity to my other account to any one on the forum. If thats conclusive for you that it proves Ume and I are the same person . Go ahead give the same negative rep to Ume, as according to you we are the same person. Doesn't it make sense that he and I are not the same person, because I am the one who started the scam accusation against him ? What good will it do to me, to fake the sale ? Did I fake it to beg from you and get some penny bitcoin in exchange for letting my account get a negative rep ? Please tell me how it makes any sense ? The best I can offer is come to an online chat and let me explain it to you live, without having Quickseller here just post bullshit to manipulate what I am trying to say. I will also start a new thread tomorrow Off Meta, which I will keep self Moderated for the discussion. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 21, 2015, 08:41:27 PM Just changed my forum timezone to UTC so I can correlate with the seclog entries.
hey can you give me some btc as a firned ? ^ 2015-01-31 08:18:56 UTC Code: +---------------------+---------------+----------+ ^ Less than 3 hours later (and after I believe I originally negrated for the begging - I am always awake at the time it was received), the password is changed via TOR exit node ECBBE1D6832FFAFC8FA1344E13BF4D252D477F61 91.196.48.203. Not going to go on a witch hunt negrating a whole bunch of accounts* that weren't the same exact one that PMed me to beg. * https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366936 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=503772 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=386380 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=464674 and all the ones listed in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=834733.msg9875630#msg9875630 Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 21, 2015, 08:49:18 PM ^ Less than 3 hours later (and after I believe I originally negrated for the begging - I am always awake at the time it was received), the password is changed via TOR exit node .... PS: This whole thing is for that PM. How about I send you some money ? Anyone in the right mind wouldn't actually be sending that PM , when he knows it can get a negative trust because of it. And I can't help if Ume was stupid enough to do that. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 21, 2015, 09:16:01 PM -snip- If this was my forum, every sold account would be banned, with some sort of algorithm to detect it (password change forces logout and immediate relogin from same IP, perhaps). -snip-Account sales should be banned here -snip-Obvious solution is obvious. And yet... It'll never happen. Maybe after we hit some magic number of Meta topics over account sales turning to shit. As I hinted at here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974336.msg11444097#msg11444097), anybody can change their forum timezone to make screenshotted posts/PMs appear to be at different times (at intervals +/- 1 hour or more) without needing (and being detected as) Photoshops. Why the obsession with having multiple accounts with stale positive ratings and negs & neutrals most recently? Minor trust score algorithm change - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0;all Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: chriswen on May 21, 2015, 09:30:10 PM -snip- If this was my forum, every sold account would be banned, with some sort of algorithm to detect it (password change forces logout and immediate relogin from same IP, perhaps). -snip-Account sales should be banned here -snip-Obvious solution is obvious. And yet... It'll never happen. Maybe after we hit some magic number of Meta topics over account sales turning to shit. As I hinted at here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974336.msg11444097#msg11444097), anybody can change their forum timezone to make screenshotted posts/PMs appear to be at different times (at intervals +/- 1 hour or more) without needing (and being detected as) Photoshops. Why the obsession with having multiple accounts with stale positive ratings and negs & neutrals most recently? Minor trust score algorithm change - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0;all oh I don't know why I never offsetted my time zone. That's probably really useful. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 21, 2015, 10:18:10 PM The shitstorm about trust ratings is happening because: 1. Perfect opportunity to bump post count. The reason behind most posts nowadays. 2. This forum is no longer about Bitcoin, it's about scratching out a living from spam and second-rate drama. Hmm... - We pay 0.0007 BTC per post (max 0.035/week). That's 50 paid posts per week max, but... Rules - You must have no negative feedback points https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16538039/TwippleProfilePage.jpg So no posts can be claimed for pay. Why even have that sig on the account then? Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 21, 2015, 10:57:04 PM I thought in the shower, maybe it would be best if Ume refunded whoever bought Twipple, Twipple got nuked/permabanned*, and whoever's posting on Twipple now simply used one of their other accounts from now on.
*Because whoever did the begging on the Twipple account lit a time-delay fuse to detonate a bomb after the "account sale", which cannot be proven actually occurred, by a preponderance of evidence. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 25, 2015, 03:47:52 PM I thought in the shower, maybe it would be best if Ume refunded whoever bought Twipple, Twipple got nuked/permabanned*, and whoever's posting on Twipple now simply used one of their other accounts from now on. This would. But if you look at it the other way, the trust that you and Quickseller added was in March, and the account was sold at January end, and is now a Snr Member. But Still yeah a refund would be fine. But would be better if you can sort it out, that I am willing to provide you all proof . *Because whoever did the begging on the Twipple account lit a time-delay fuse to detonate a bomb after the "account sale", which cannot be proven actually occurred, by a preponderance of evidence. Read Below As I hinted at here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974336.msg11444097#msg11444097), anybody can change their forum timezone to make screenshotted posts/PMs appear to be at different times (at intervals +/- 1 hour or more) without needing (and being detected as) Photoshops. Why the obsession with having multiple accounts with stale positive ratings and negs & neutrals most recently? Minor trust score algorithm change - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0;all Well, Time Zone can be changed, but I am more than willing to have an escrow log in to both accounts to make sure the time zones are same, and have them confirm that the message that I received from Ume, was after he sent you that message. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 25, 2015, 07:01:47 PM I thought in the shower, maybe it would be best if Ume refunded whoever bought Twipple, Twipple got nuked/permabanned*, and whoever's posting on Twipple now simply used one of their other accounts from now on. This would. But if you look at it the other way, the trust that you and Quickseller added was in March, and the account was sold at January end, and is now a Snr Member. But Still yeah a refund would be fine. But would be better if you can sort it out, that I am willing to provide you all proof .Twipple is a Full Member as of now, NOT Senior. I don't foresee Quickseller removing his trust, so Twipple will remain screwed on trust no matter what. And I really FUCKING HATE HAVING TO REPEAT MYSELF: I could have sworn my initial negative on Twipple (which might have showed under untrusted feedback) was on Jan 31 2015, the day I got the begging PM, and I deleted/replaced it later to shorten my Dropbox URL. Is there a ratings log that shows removals? Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Umekhan on May 25, 2015, 07:04:13 PM Well sir if you have any questions to Ume you can ask me ..
i forgot the password lol >:( also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 25, 2015, 07:15:09 PM Well sir if you have any questions to Ume you can ask me .. i forgot the password lol >:( also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry. Negative feedback is irrelevant. Someone burned Twipple by begging from it the same day that it was sold (or "sold"). Twipple should be nuked/permabanned. *Because whoever did the begging on the Twipple account lit a time-delay fuse to detonate a bomb after the "account sale", which cannot be proven actually occurred, by a preponderance of evidence. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 25, 2015, 09:04:46 PM Well sir if you have any questions to Ume you can ask me .. i forgot the password lol >:( also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry. Negative feedback is irrelevant. Someone burned Twipple by begging from it the same day that it was sold (or "sold"). Twipple should be nuked/permabanned. *Because whoever did the begging on the Twipple account lit a time-delay fuse to detonate a bomb after the "account sale", which cannot be proven actually occurred, by a preponderance of evidence. And Why is that ? I bought the account. Accounts don't get permabanned for negative trust or begging. I also have enough evidence to prove it was Ume. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 25, 2015, 09:07:36 PM I thought in the shower, maybe it would be best if Ume refunded whoever bought Twipple, Twipple got nuked/permabanned*, and whoever's posting on Twipple now simply used one of their other accounts from now on. This would. But if you look at it the other way, the trust that you and Quickseller added was in March, and the account was sold at January end, and is now a Snr Member. But Still yeah a refund would be fine. But would be better if you can sort it out, that I am willing to provide you all proof .Twipple is a Full Member as of now, NOT Senior. I don't foresee Quickseller removing his trust, so Twipple will remain screwed on trust no matter what. And I really FUCKING HATE HAVING TO REPEAT MYSELF: I could have sworn my initial negative on Twipple (which might have showed under untrusted feedback) was on Jan 31 2015, the day I got the begging PM, and I deleted/replaced it later to shorten my Dropbox URL. Is there a ratings log that shows removals? It will turn to a senior within the week. I don't understand why you wouldn't remove the negative trust if I am giving you sufficient proof that it was Ume who begged from the account and is the person who deserves the negative trust. If you want, I can offer you money for it, but can't do anything more. What more proof do you want to prove that it was Ume ? You wanted proof of the password change at first, which I specially had to request from theymos, and I provided it to you. I don't see any other reason for you to not remove the negative trust. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: TheButterZone on May 25, 2015, 11:00:36 PM You wanted proof of the password change at first Well you said you wanted the IP proof, and thats exactly what I requested and got for you. Twipple, it appears you will never STOP forcing me to repeat myself, never STOP ignoring what I actually said and never STOP engaging in revisionist history, so I'm done with your endless BS. /unwatch Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first. With only a log of these ridiculous password changes being inconclusive, the preponderance has not been reached. the preponderance has not been reached. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 25, 2015, 11:21:36 PM You wanted proof of the password change at first Twipple, it appears you will never STOP forcing me to repeat myself, never STOP ignoring what I actually said and never STOP engaging in revisionist history, so I'm done with your endless BS. /unwatch Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first. With only a log of these ridiculous password changes being inconclusive, the preponderance has not been reached. the preponderance has not been reached. Well you said you wanted the IP proof, and thats exactly what I requested and got for you. Then how has your preponderance not been reached ? You are also choosing to ignore any proof I am giving you proving that it was indeed Ume who sent the message to you. Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Twipple on May 26, 2015, 08:36:45 AM Well sir if you have any questions to Ume you can ask me .. i forgot the password lol >:( also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry. Negative feedback is irrelevant. Someone burned Twipple by begging from it the same day that it was sold (or "sold"). Since I donot see you replying, I would like you to consider this. I provided you with all the proof and the time stamps of the message that was sent to you, and the message that was sent to me with the account details. All prove that it was the previous account holder who had sent that message to you. But why even after all that is it not evident that it was Ume who sent the message ? Title: Re: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later Post by: Umekhan on May 26, 2015, 01:48:11 PM I did not beg over pm ok i used the account for posting and after that i sold it to twipple .. why i beg for only 0.025? when i have much in my wallet .. the heck dude you are mad ..
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