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Title: probably too many white people already
Post by: paulie_w on August 02, 2012, 04:04:14 PM
and i assume, using bitcoin...

no one likes to talk about things like this in such terms, but allow me to be a bit brazen:

i think we need to get the beautiful dark-skinned people in all nations involved in the bitcoin scene. for obvious reasons, they're generally not super trusting of government or any conglomeration of oppressive power, but simultaneously wield a great power in terms of influence in popular culture.

who can we talk to about making the 'megaupload' video of bitcoin?

(actually serious)


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: sarpar on August 02, 2012, 04:10:07 PM
and i assume, using bitcoin...

no one likes to talk about things like this in such terms, but allow me to be a bit brazen:

i think we need to get the beautiful dark-skinned people in all nations involved in the bitcoin scene. for obvious reasons, they're generally not super trusting of government or any conglomeration of oppressive power, but simultaneously wield a great power in terms of influence in popular culture.

who can we talk to about making the 'megaupload' video of bitcoin?

(actually serious)
that is racist! - unacceptable! You are smart enough to do better!


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: Drifter on August 02, 2012, 04:15:14 PM
Keep measuring people by their skin color and see how fast things improve...

HOWEVER, if you want to study the effects bitcoin could have on low economic countries/states/cities etc, that is another story entirely.


Title: The lighter skinned may become a minority
Post by: mobile4ever on August 02, 2012, 04:33:16 PM
and i assume, using bitcoin...

no one likes to talk about things like this in such terms, but allow me to be a bit brazen:

i think we need to get the beautiful dark-skinned people in all nations involved in the bitcoin scene. for obvious reasons, they're generally not super trusting of government or any conglomeration of oppressive power, but simultaneously wield a great power in terms of influence in popular culture.

who can we talk to about making the 'megaupload' video of bitcoin?

(actually serious)


Have you seen the Brazil following? →

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=29.0


Leandro César is the manager of the "Mercado do Brasil". He has already had a major run-in with a major bank in his country. He decided to go after BTC even harder because of it. ( http://www.bitcoinbrasil.com.br/?p=422 )


He says, "O Brasil será o país do bitcoin, apesar dos pesares!"

Translated, "The Brazil is the country of bitcoin, despite regrets!"

Fantastic work Leandro!


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: jimbobway on August 02, 2012, 05:12:41 PM
OP made a racist post.  It's one thing to say we should promote bitcoin in other countries.  It's another to relate it to skin color.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: Clipse on August 02, 2012, 05:17:07 PM
The OP comes across as if he thinks we should promote it to dark-skinned people because they are dumber/slower to understand bitcoins which I find quite amusing considering the overwhelming reason why african people have a hard time getting involved with bitcoins is the lack of actual money to buy bitcoins and the ever increasing price of bitcoins.

In essense it has nothing to do with skin colour but more to do with financial access to get involved with bitcoins.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: ElectricMucus on August 02, 2012, 05:25:04 PM
http://media.desura.com/images/members/1/323/322886/Black_coolface.jpg


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: paulie_w on August 02, 2012, 05:31:42 PM
(edited to remove confusing 'subculture')

try again folks. i am black. i used a provocative subject line and there is indeed 'racism' here, but it's nothing that you aren't aware of already. do black people identify with their culture, the borders defined by them largely by skin color? absolutely. i don't agree that this is somehow a good direction for humanity, but i never said anything about dumber/slower, either... that you came up with THAT is 'racist'.

now, enough of this nonsense: stop getting nervous about it and look at the question that i'm asking:

the black folk/community in the US and UK DO have an inherent suspicion of government and centralized power and they DO absolutely have popular media influence.

how do we promote bitcoin there? it could really take off, especially with the support of some popular rappers. imagine if snoop dogg/lion were pro-bitcoin for example.

this is why i gave the megaupload video example.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: niko on August 02, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
and i assume, using bitcoin...

no one likes to talk about things like this in such terms, but allow me to be a bit brazen:

i think we need to get the beautiful dark-skinned people in all nations involved in the bitcoin scene. for obvious reasons, they're generally not super trusting of government or any conglomeration of oppressive power, but simultaneously wield a great power in terms of influence in popular culture.

who can we talk to about making the 'megaupload' video of bitcoin?

(actually serious)

I have a counter proposal for you. Make Bitcoin popular with folks from trailers in eastern Kentucky. That's likely more within the reach, the language barrier is smaller, etc. Once you get some success there you can challenge yourself further.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: Dalkore on August 02, 2012, 05:34:30 PM
Keep measuring people by their skin color and see how fast things improve...

HOWEVER, if you want to study the effects bitcoin could have on low economic countries/states/cities etc, that is another story entirely.


I have had some ideas along this line as well.    Problem is now that Bitcoins are appreciating so fast that it doesn't work very well until we get more stability.  We could make a basic price index that tracks in their currency and BTC.  They could use this to track inflation by their government and then with that information, natives could decide to save in Bitcoin so they can try to preserve wealth that would of been eroded by inflation.   This type of application I could see as being a major economic reform in under-developed countries.  


Title: Re: The lighter skinned may become a minority
Post by: paulie_w on August 02, 2012, 05:34:36 PM
and i assume, using bitcoin...

no one likes to talk about things like this in such terms, but allow me to be a bit brazen:

i think we need to get the beautiful dark-skinned people in all nations involved in the bitcoin scene. for obvious reasons, they're generally not super trusting of government or any conglomeration of oppressive power, but simultaneously wield a great power in terms of influence in popular culture.

who can we talk to about making the 'megaupload' video of bitcoin?

(actually serious)
Have you seen the Brazil following? →

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=29.0

Leandro César is the manager of the "Mercado do Brasil". He has already had a major run-in with a major bank in his country. He decided to go after BTC even harder because of it. ( http://www.bitcoinbrasil.com.br/?p=422 )

He says, "O Brasil será o país do bitcoin, apesar dos pesares!"

Translated, "The Brazil is the country of bitcoin, despite regrets!"

Fantastic work Leandro!

i wish that i could read more portuguese; i know nothing about what goes on down there. but the general truth of dark-skinned folks having popular media influence and distrust of government is true, then that's another example.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: paulie_w on August 02, 2012, 05:37:32 PM
Keep measuring people by their skin color and see how fast things improve...

HOWEVER, if you want to study the effects bitcoin could have on low economic countries/states/cities etc, that is another story entirely.
I have had some ideas along this line as well.    Problem is now that Bitcoins are appreciating so fast that it doesn't work very well until we get more stability.  We could make a basic price index that tracks in their currency and BTC.  They could use this to track inflation by their government and then with that information, natives could decide to save in Bitcoin so they can try to preserve wealth that would of been eroded by inflation.   This type of application I could see as being a major economic reform in under-developed countries.  

you think? this kind of 'study' only seems operable within a test-tube where _many_ environmental conditions are controllable. i think the only study that makes any sense is a live one aka getting bitcoin into peoples' hands and seeing what happens.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: paulie_w on August 02, 2012, 05:44:47 PM
and i assume, using bitcoin...

no one likes to talk about things like this in such terms, but allow me to be a bit brazen:

i think we need to get the beautiful dark-skinned people in all nations involved in the bitcoin scene. for obvious reasons, they're generally not super trusting of government or any conglomeration of oppressive power, but simultaneously wield a great power in terms of influence in popular culture.

who can we talk to about making the 'megaupload' video of bitcoin?

(actually serious)

I have a counter proposal for you. Make Bitcoin popular with folks from trailers in eastern Kentucky. That's likely more within the reach, the language barrier is smaller, etc. Once you get some success there you can challenge yourself further.

LANGUAGE BARRIER? good grief.

i'm glad i made this thread, maybe we can all air out how we really feel.

not that i care as long as the original question gets discussed. :)


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: notme on August 02, 2012, 05:48:47 PM
When I read the title, I thought you meant on Earth.  Whole sentences usually convey meaning better.  I'm not interested in this discussion, but I do agree there are too many white people in existence (like me for example ;)).  I'm not for destroying them (us) though.  They (we) will take care of that on our own soon enough.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: jimbobway on August 02, 2012, 05:53:03 PM
try again folks. i am black. i used a provocative subject line and there is indeed 'racism' here, but it's nothing that you aren't aware of already. do black people identify with their own subculture, the borders defined by them largely by skin color? absolutely. i don't agree that this is somehow a good direction for humanity, but i never said anything about dumber/slower, either... that you came up with THAT is 'racist'.

Black people have the same subculture?  Again, even though you are black, you are associating skin color with having the same subculture.  But, at least you admit it there was some racism which is a step in the right direction.

I am curious, though.  How would you, as a black person, promote bitcoin to black people?


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: notme on August 02, 2012, 05:55:00 PM
try again folks. i am black. i used a provocative subject line and there is indeed 'racism' here, but it's nothing that you aren't aware of already. do black people identify with their own subculture, the borders defined by them largely by skin color? absolutely. i don't agree that this is somehow a good direction for humanity, but i never said anything about dumber/slower, either... that you came up with THAT is 'racist'.

Black people have the same subculture?  Again, even though you are black, you are associating skin color with having the same subculture.  But, at least you admit it there was some racism which is a step in the right direction.

I am curious, though.  How would you, as a black person, promote bitcoin to black people?

Lol.  The Hutus and the Tutsis certainly held the same cultural beliefs ::).


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: paulie_w on August 02, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
you're right of course, but there is some undeniable solidarity between black people in the united states. i've noticed the same in the UK. that's what i'm talking about.

i made some suggestions, but it isn't my industry. getting it into the hands of a prominent rapper would go miles, and i believe my suggestion of someone like snoop dogg would be very very effective.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: paulie_w on August 02, 2012, 05:57:07 PM
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Lol.  The Hutus and the Tutsis certainly held the same cultural beliefs ::).

already said, "UK" and "US". is rwanda either one of those? no it isn't.

now, how about the _actual topic_?


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: jimbobway on August 02, 2012, 05:57:39 PM
you're right of course, but there is some undeniable solidarity between black people in the united states. i've noticed the same in the UK. that's what i'm talking about.

i made some suggestions, but it isn't my industry. getting it into the hands of a prominent rapper would go miles, and i believe my suggestion of someone like snoop dogg would be very very effective.

Certainly there are East Coast Rappers vs West Coast Rappers culture.  Excellent choice in picking Snoop Lion as he represents the superior artistic group.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/08/02/snoop-dogg-is-now-snoop-lion-lamest-celebrity-nickname/


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: notme on August 02, 2012, 06:01:02 PM
Quote
Lol.  The Hutus and the Tutsis certainly held the same cultural beliefs ::).

already said, "UK" and "US". is rwanda either one of those? no it isn't.

now, how about the _actual topic_?

Sorry.  I didn't read that reply, just the one I replied to.  My bad.  I realize this is a sensitive issue and I probably shouldn't be paying half attention if I'm going to participate.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: notme on August 02, 2012, 06:03:55 PM
you're right of course, but there is some undeniable solidarity between black people in the united states. i've noticed the same in the UK. that's what i'm talking about.

i made some suggestions, but it isn't my industry. getting it into the hands of a prominent rapper would go miles, and i believe my suggestion of someone like snoop dogg would be very very effective.

Certainly there are East Coast Rappers vs West Coast Rappers culture.  Excellent choice in picking Snoop Lion as he represents the superior artistic group.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/08/02/snoop-dogg-is-now-snoop-lion-lamest-celebrity-nickname/

Fox is just a bunch of asshats.  I'm excited for his new album, hopefully his spiritual enlightenment isn't all just hype or I'll be further disenfranchised with our society.

(I'm not expecting too much, just more uplifting lyrics.)


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: paulie_w on August 02, 2012, 06:05:09 PM
restarting this one in a less provocative way so you all aren't so damn uncomfortable. :-)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97585.0

mods please lock this one if you see it.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: Dalkore on August 02, 2012, 06:32:44 PM
Keep measuring people by their skin color and see how fast things improve...

HOWEVER, if you want to study the effects bitcoin could have on low economic countries/states/cities etc, that is another story entirely.
I have had some ideas along this line as well.    Problem is now that Bitcoins are appreciating so fast that it doesn't work very well until we get more stability.  We could make a basic price index that tracks in their currency and BTC.  They could use this to track inflation by their government and then with that information, natives could decide to save in Bitcoin so they can try to preserve wealth that would of been eroded by inflation.   This type of application I could see as being a major economic reform in under-developed countries.  

you think? this kind of 'study' only seems operable within a test-tube where _many_ environmental conditions are controllable. i think the only study that makes any sense is a live one aka getting bitcoin into peoples' hands and seeing what happens.


I didn't say anything about a study.  This would be a real world experiment.  What we would need to do is create and index of basic prices that would would track (like the U.S. CPI except not rigged) prices.  Then you would see changes over time in the relative value.    Price increases would signal possible inflation and drops could mean deflation.    Over time you would get data that you could graph.   Then if it was posted on the internet, the locals could check them.   They could use save in Bitcoins and then use this data to know what price they should sell and buy at.   If they were saving in Bitcoins and a huge amount of inflation came in, then they would know what price things like bread and meat should be in their local currency or in BTC.    Also if the natives were fed up with the bad governmental policies, they could go into a pure-bitcoin economy settling up in BTC.    You need savings in a country so they can use it for investment.  This would be a first step to create this wealth base.

Thoughts?
Dalkore


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: Spekulatius on August 02, 2012, 07:05:55 PM
and i assume, using bitcoin...

no one likes to talk about things like this in such terms, but allow me to be a bit brazen:

i think we need to get the beautiful dark-skinned people in all nations involved in the bitcoin scene. for obvious reasons, they're generally not super trusting of government or any conglomeration of oppressive power, but simultaneously wield a great power in terms of influence in popular culture.

who can we talk to about making the 'megaupload' video of bitcoin?

(actually serious)

You are completely right! Lets make WhiteCoin™, The only coin only white people can use (and Jennifer Lopez!)


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: niko on August 02, 2012, 07:11:19 PM
and i assume, using bitcoin...

no one likes to talk about things like this in such terms, but allow me to be a bit brazen:

i think we need to get the beautiful dark-skinned people in all nations involved in the bitcoin scene. for obvious reasons, they're generally not super trusting of government or any conglomeration of oppressive power, but simultaneously wield a great power in terms of influence in popular culture.

who can we talk to about making the 'megaupload' video of bitcoin?

(actually serious)

I have a counter proposal for you. Make Bitcoin popular with folks from trailers in eastern Kentucky. That's likely more within the reach, the language barrier is smaller, etc. Once you get some success there you can challenge yourself further.

LANGUAGE BARRIER? good grief.

i'm glad i made this thread, maybe we can all air out how we really feel.

not that i care as long as the original question gets discussed. :)

Yeah, language barrier. You were talking about "dark-skinned people in all nations," and I replied before I realized you didn't know what you were talking about. You have since changed your proposal to deal with the US and UK. Most of dark-skinned people in this world are not native English speakers, or speak English  dialects which are very different from yours. Also, judging from how you imagine dark-skinned culture in your OP, it's fair to say there is also a cultural barrier problem, in addition to the language barrier. For these reasons, I suggested eastern Kentucky as your first step.


I like your revised plan better. Try and get Snoop Lion on board if you want to attract his kind of audience. The ultimate win would be to get that guy called Barrack on board. I don't give a shit about it.

Finally, just in the interest of full disclosure, my skin is fair, I listened to Public Enemy live in the early '90s, later on I met Chuck D in person. I met Bobby Seale in person. Hell, I own a "free Mumia" t-shirt.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: AbsoluteZero on August 02, 2012, 07:19:10 PM
This thread should be moved to the trash!

bitcoins don't have a color

there are too few Whites, Blacks, Asians, etc. who own bitcoins. We need more people involved regardless of race, color, religion, etc.

We do not need to politicize bitcoin.



Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: CoinCidental on August 02, 2012, 07:44:09 PM
try again folks. i am black. i used a provocative subject line and there is indeed 'racism' here, but it's nothing that you aren't aware of already. do black people identify with their own subculture, the borders defined by them largely by skin color? absolutely. i don't agree that this is somehow a good direction for humanity, but i never said anything about dumber/slower, either... that you came up with THAT is 'racist'.

I am curious, though.  How would you, as a black person, promote bitcoin to black people?

Discount on KFC bucket  if pay with BTC  ::)


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: Andrew Vorobyov on August 02, 2012, 09:43:24 PM
Let it be Brasil, please :)

http://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/539122_368725849866617_442777165_n.jpg

Original image - http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m83ls6atAE1rp7wc6o1_500.jpg


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: bbit on August 02, 2012, 09:46:21 PM
http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files//2012/06/rodney-king.jpg


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: Andrew Vorobyov on August 02, 2012, 09:47:59 PM

What is it?


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: bbit on August 02, 2012, 09:49:02 PM

lol....Rodney King  ;D


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: bb113 on August 02, 2012, 09:51:55 PM
Full video of that event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OauOPTwbqk

Maybe there was racism involved, but that dude just wouldn't go down, watch him get up and rush the cops at the beginning.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: Andrew Vorobyov on August 02, 2012, 09:52:11 PM
I thought it's Lennox Luis for the second...

Anyway, I think this thread can be closed now... Agree?


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: bbit on August 02, 2012, 09:53:50 PM
Full video of that event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OauOPTwbqk

Maybe there was racism involved, but that dude just wouldn't go down, watch him get up and rush the cops at the beginning.

dude, the guy was so high on pcp!


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: paulie_w on August 02, 2012, 09:54:48 PM
yes please close it.

sorry guys.


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: Andrew Vorobyov on August 02, 2012, 09:56:03 PM
Full video of that event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OauOPTwbqk

Maybe there was racism involved, but that dude just wouldn't go down, watch him get up and rush the cops at the beginning.

I have a real worries about America not being cop state...


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: stochastic on August 02, 2012, 11:40:44 PM
Full video of that event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OauOPTwbqk

Maybe there was racism involved, but that dude just wouldn't go down, watch him get up and rush the cops at the beginning.

I have a real worries about America not being cop state...

You worry that America is not a police state?


Title: Re: probably too many white people already
Post by: dancupid on August 03, 2012, 03:04:24 PM
you're right of course, but there is some undeniable solidarity between black people in the united states. i've noticed the same in the UK. that's what i'm talking about.

i made some suggestions, but it isn't my industry. getting it into the hands of a prominent rapper would go miles, and i believe my suggestion of someone like snoop dogg would be very very effective.

I think class and religion unite people more than skin colour (at least in Britain).
On a typical Manchester housing estate the black people of Caribbean and a Christian heritage have a closer connection with white British people than with Islamic black Somalis living on the same estate.
ie culture is not defined by skin colour - most families on these estates are mixed race, but share the same religious heritage (even if they no longer subscribe to those religious beliefs).
In fact the average Manchester housing estate tends to be very mixed race - but there is a clear disconnect based on religious heritage.
Most white kids on Mancheser housing estates would identify themselves with black (Afro-American-Carribean) culture, rather than 'traditional' white British culture.

(apologies for going on about Manchester, but that's where I grew up and so I know what it's like)