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1  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: May 25, 2013, 03:52:59 AM
In light of the news that charities may be looking at massive chargeback fees due to hackers flooding their donation pages with stolen credit cards ...

maybe the language in any Bitcoin introduction could indicate no risk of chargebacks along w/ irreversability.  "Not being reversable" might not click but a charity who just had to cut a bank a check for thousands of dollars in chargeback fees might suddenly be interested in "chargeback free" donations.


yep, I agree
2  Economy / Services / Re: Introducing the Bitcoin100: A Kickstarter for Charities on: May 25, 2013, 03:52:28 AM

I certainly understand the sentiment and would love to do the same.  I expect I'd have no problem with pretty much all organisations that would be considered for support.  I would however refuse to donate to organisations such as Monsanto or the RIAA and for this reason alone simply cannot say "I pledge 1 BTC to any charity/organisation which adds a Bitcoin donation option".

Generally, I won't be upset if Bitcoin100 money ends up going to causes I wouldn't usually donate to.  As you noted, such pledged money is much more like a donation to Bitcoin itself.  If a cause comes along that I really do want to donate to (TOR, Free software foundation, archive.org) then I will make a serious donation on top.

I would be dismayed if the Bitcoin100 didn't manage to get 100 new charities to accept Bitcoin.  It would be a great shame for us to only get through 5 or 6 charities before fizzling out due to there being too much caution.  Just my thought though.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen. on: May 25, 2013, 03:51:24 AM
As I admire some of your passions that you guys have for Bitcoin, investing everyone dollar you own/make into Bitcoin could leave you in a very bad financial situation.  If I can pressure you to not do this because I already pay enough taxes and I'm sick of paying for Welfare cell phones for undeserving fucks! 

Do a percentage of your income.  You could relate this percentage to what you would spend at a bar, or would you normally invest in your 401k or into stocks.   That money isn't really needed to keep you alive right now.
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 25, 2013, 03:50:55 AM

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.

That's not how the us government works.

The president isn't chosen by popular vote, and presidents have lost the popular vote and still won the election. Representatives and senators are voted in by localities and represent the interests of the individual states they serve (not 51% of the country).
 
51% of the votes in this country gets you nothing.


That's a false argument. Maybe it would be better to say democracy in the US is tyranny of 70% against the 30% (70% of the votes basically guarantees that you'll win in any US election, period).


Keep in mind that even if it was a popular vote with a 51% majority rule, because the participation rate is so ridiculously low (2008 was a highly anomalous 60%, usually it's around 50%), in reality only 26% of the voting eligible population would establish the majority rule...



That's 49% of the population saying that they are basically OK with whoever wins and 51% who care enough to vote.  Which makes sense - the US is not going through any fundamental upheaval so you'd expect most people to be indifferent as to who wins elections.
"Democracy" is tyranny of 1% against the 99%, but sadly most of the 99% are sheep and don't see this.

I agree completly
5  Other / Meta / Deleted on: May 25, 2013, 03:49:03 AM
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6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Germany's Adaption To Bitcoin *AMAZING* on: May 25, 2013, 01:45:59 AM
Why take my thread down? Its not my website I dont advocate downloading any files from it, just watch the video.
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Germany's Adaption To Bitcoin *AMAZING* on: May 25, 2013, 12:53:32 AM
Woah, just logged on and see this! A whole lot of accusations going on here!

Lol, no im not a scammer i got the link to the page reading comments on an article of forbes. Also, what are you guys talking about? I get no "java download" when I click the link..?
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Germany's Adaption To Bitcoin *AMAZING* on: May 24, 2013, 09:02:55 PM
I just watched an absolutely fascinating and eye opening video showcasing the small town of Kreuzberg, Berlin the videos about how much the community has adapted to Bitcoins. Its amazing to me that almost every single store in the whole community accepts Bitcoins, thats just awesome!!

I believe this video showcases the FUTURE of Bitcoin and how it will be in a year or so worldwide. Interest in Bitcoin is continuing to rise exponentially (take a look at google search) because people are realizing theres a way to get out of inflation based government currencies, and to hold their wealth in a currency out of the control of greedy bankers. Whether it takes one year or five years its inevitable, crypto currencies are the future of currency.

LINK REMOVED

If this video reveals anything of Bitcoins future we are all going to go down as the founding fathers, and some damn rich people Smiley
9  Other / Beginners & Help / Germany's Adaption To Bitcoin AMAZING on: May 24, 2013, 08:55:54 PM
I just watched an absolutely fascinating and eye opening video showcasing the small town of Kreuzberg, Berlin the videos about how much the community has adapted to Bitcoins. Its amazing to me that almost every single store in the whole community accepts Bitcoins, thats just awesome!!

I believe this video showcases the FUTURE of Bitcoin and how it will be in a year or so worldwide. Interest in Bitcoin is continuing to rise exponentially (take a look at google search) because people are realizing theres a way to get out of inflation based government currencies, and to hold their wealth in a currency out of the control of greedy bankers. Whether it takes one year or five years its inevitable, crypto currencies are the future of currency.

Link to the video: *Link Removed*

If this video reveals anything of Bitcoins future we are all going to go down as the founding fathers, and some damn rich people Smiley
10  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: DAY TRADING ROBOT (BTC-E) on: May 17, 2013, 03:49:34 AM
Ran multiple spyware checks on the trial download,
all checked out so I downloaded it and it seriously blew my expectations away! Smiley
By far the best trade bot I've ever used. OP, what is included in the full version thats not already in trial version?
11  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Day Trading Robot (BTC-E) on: May 17, 2013, 02:22:57 AM
Ran multiple spyware checks on the trial download,
all checked out so I downloaded it and it seriously blew my expectations away! Smiley
By far the best trade bot I've ever used. OP, what is included in the full version thats not already in trial version?
12  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: May 17, 2013, 02:00:35 AM
Can we cut the spam please ?

By the way, Bitinstant representatives, why are you lying so much ? I entered all the data needed at that /contact page some days ago and then I received an automated message telling ".. If you have still not received your funds within 24 hours of your transaction time we will escalate this issue for immediate attention. ..". Yet, I see a lot people around here that had their problem solved after depositing their money like 1 or 2 days ago, but my issue has been going for one week now and I know other people that are waiting even longer.

Why are you solving issues in "first to complain louder / first to serve" order ?
13  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: A $15m computer that uses "quantum physics" effects to boost its speed on: May 17, 2013, 01:52:26 AM
If only I had it.. Lol
14  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin: The Digital Kill Switch on: May 17, 2013, 12:19:20 AM
Bitcoin: The Digital Kill Switch

by Shelby H. Moore III

March 29, 2013

Bitcoin is the first peer-to-peer (P2P) digital currency and payment system to gain significant interest. This month its marketcap surpassed $1 billion.

P2P currencies promise some differences from credit cards, such as increased privacy, no control by authorities, instant signup, lower fees for the merchant, and no chargebacks (buyer at the mercy of the merchant to issue refund if dispute).

Unlike a credit card which allows the merchant to see your details, making unauthorized charges to your P2P account is impossible, unless you allow someone to get your private key. Note credit cards are adding for example Verified By Visa to provide a similar degree of security.

The government control increased on March 13, when FinCEN ruled that transactions for goods and services paying with P2P currency are not regulated, yet exchange to other currencies is regulated and can't be anonymous. Since most users need to exchange from legal tender to and from P2P currencies, some of the purported privacy has already been lost. Also instant signup has been effectively eliminated for many, as now many new users must "practically give a DNA sample" to become verified by exchange providers— however this tsuris may not exist in all jurisdictions.

The anonymity of payments for goods and services is given by the fact that each sender and receiver of a payment is just a number without any other identifying information attached. New numbers can be generated by users at-will. However, the authorities regularly collect information from the internet about usage activity using various means of tracking such as man-in-the-middle routers, spyware, and requests for information from sites that collect information via cookies such as Google's ads and Facebook's Like that appear on many pages of the internet.

So what are the compelling advantages of P2P currencies, since most of the differences from credit cards are being diluted?

For merchants it is the elimination of the 2 - 5% fees charged by credit card companies, the elimination of the ability of the buyer to issue a chargeback, and accessing a new market of highly motivated buyers. In some cases however, the buyer will not like this "no chargeback" provision and prefer to use a credit card.

For the buyer or payer, there appear to be no remaining significant advantages. Even most merchants don't accept P2P currencies yet. The non-merchant has one significant reason to buy digital coins— the expectation of appreciation.

Valuation

The supporters of Bitcoin are projecting very high valuations ranging from $1000 to $1 billion per coin in the future, based on a limit of 21 million coins to ever be created, and a projection of percentage share of global transaction processing.

Notably 50% of Bitcoin's future money supply was issued to the founders and early adopters in first 4 years ended 2012, and by 2016, 75% of the 21 million coins will have been created. By 2020, 87.5%. By 2024, 93.75%. By 2028, 97%.

This accelerated phaseout in the creation of new coins is creating a mad "gold rush" to get in before it is too late. Even though at least 59% (but most likely 75 - 95% since that is only a lower bound that can be measured reliably) are holding long-term and not spending, the skyhigh valuations are based on the hope for adoption by merchants and then increased spending on goods and services in the future.

The 21 million Bitcoins are replacement goods with low barriers to entry and thus can be debased by market share. If competing P2P currencies issue many more coins, then the total finite demand for P2P coins has to be spread between the coins in all P2P currency competitors. However, this spread of market share is not uniform. Today, Bitcoins traded at $75 - $95 with 10.8 million coins issued and Litecoins traded at $0.58 - $0.68 with 2.5 million coins issued. Given real-time exchange between P2P currencies, there is nearly no barrier-to-entry, since merchants will want to accept as many no chargeback currencies as they can if value is rising or stable. Also Gresham's Law dictates that coins will higher issuance will drive coins with less issuance out-of-circulation towards a higher store-of-value. Valuations are also crucially based on market share of transaction processing to be captured in the future, which requires circulation of the currency. So it is quite naive to think that the 21 million coins of Bitcoins are immune to debasement by competitors, unless all competitors suck and have no desirable differences.

Much of the fervor is further amplified with a false sense of altruism under the delusion of being part of a momentus and historic creation of what supporters expect to be the first meritocratic money system— one which can't be debased by the power elite who control the strings on banks in the fiat fractional reserve systems society uses now.

Scaling

For Bitcoin to meet the expectation of investors in its digital coins, the transactions for goods and services has to scale up.

And here is where the hidden diabolical quality of Bitcoin (and Litecoin too) becomes too obvious when the technical details of the design are closely scruntinized by an expert programmer such as myself.

The processing of transactions in P2P currencies is provided by "mining" peers, who provide some Proof-of-Work to insure that double-spends can not exist in the single correct copy of the distributed database. These peers are computers connected to the internet and interacting in a protocol with the other "mining" peers.

To incentivize the "mining" peers to offer their hardware and electricity to this task, they are given the new digital coins created with each new block of transactions. Also they may be offered an optional transaction fee by some payers.

However, the rate of creation of new coins is halving every 4 years, and will eventually stop. Given the fervor the supporters have over non-debasement for meritocratic money system, the end of the creation of new coins is "non-negotiable".

If an attacker can muster 51% of the Proof-of-Work capacity of a P2P system, the attacker can take over the system. There are differences of opinion as to the degree of malicious behavior an attacker could do. However, one unarguable mathematical conclusion is that an attacker that had for example 60 to 90% of the Proof-of-Work capacity could process 60 to 90% of the transactions. If this attacker did not do any thing noticably malicious and did not charge a transaction fee, then virtually all customers would not find it necessary to offer a transaction fee, because over just 3 blocks of waiting time the 60 to 90% becomes 94 to 99.9% of all transactions.* If this was sustained for sufficient months or years when the production of new coins had ended (or declined significantly), then all the other miners would go bankrupt because their costs are not subsidized. Such attacker would then control virtually 100% of all transactions processed. Note this 60 - 90% could be built up over time, because offering free transactions to a percent of the market (when no new coins are being minted), drives some percent of the other miners bankrupt thus increasing the percent the attacker has— it is a snowball effect.

This was explained to some of the developers of Bitcoin who hang out at bitcoin.stackexchange.com, but they claimed it is only an opinion and not a fact. How can math be an opinion?

*First block, 60 to 90% + second block 60 x (100 - 60) to 90 x (100 - 90)% + third block 60 x (100 - 84) to 90 x (100 - 99).

Digital Kill Switch

There is an expectation that large retailers such as WalMart, Amazon, etc., will want to provide the "mining" peers at no transaction fee cost to the buyers, so as to gain a competitive advantage over other retailers.

But we see from the prior section that the incentive is very great to create a cartel that has control over all transactions. Once you have that cartel, you can eliminate those outside the cartel by delaying their transactions or charging transaction fees only to your competitors (billing the competitor, not deducting from the payer in the system). So this is just the credit card fees we have now all over again, except then they will also have a public global record of all transactions in the world (total end of privacy).

Then the government could easily collude with these cartels to turn off the transactions of political dissidents, free speech advocates, gun rights advocates, Ron Paul supporters, and any other classification of terrorist. With control over the processing and the merchants who depend on it, they can easily force an upgrade to the protocol which requires a SSN or other government tax ID to be attached to each transaction.

This is not a stretch at all. The design of Bitcoin and Litecoin encourages it— I go so far as to say they were designed for it given there are alternative designs (I proposed one) that don't have this diabolical possibility.

Having numerous competing P2P currencies does not escape from this diabolical threat, if all of them have the same diabolical design. A non-diabolical design would either have debasement that never ends and/or a minimum transaction fee.

I doubt one can create a non-diabolical P2P currency at any time in future, because the first-mover advantage will apply inspite of low barriers to entry. Because if the users already have Bitcoin and Litecoin, they may not see any compelling reason to add another, in spite of the diabolical quality which does not affect them directly (as a member of the majorty and not a dissidant or other threatened class).

Not Gold

The P2P currency fervor was further stoked by the illusion that they are somewhat like gold. Gold is a private hedge against government malfeasance, it can be traded privately with no public record. P2P currency ownership and transactions are stored in one public database that is never erased forever!

Gold's money supply is always increasing forever (we can mine it in outer space if we run out on earth) and the rate of nominal increase every year is also increasing. Bitcoin and Litecoin are geometrically decreasing the rate of increase of the money supply and will terminate production of new coins at 21 and 84 million respectively. Some people think this makes them even better than gold and silver.

Many people have the illusion these days that inflation is bad and deflation is good. Sorry to bust their bubble, but both transfer wealth to the power elite. The power elite have more savings relative to their expenses, thus they can switch their savings between investments which increase during both inflation and deflation. Whereas, the middle-class are hurt by inflation since they must spend more their income, and they are hurt by deflation, because their wages decline.

If distributed to the middle-class, some minimal debasement is beneficial to offset the guaranteed (government backed stopped) usury interest income the wealthy earn during deflation. I am not a socialist and I love free markets, but the fact is that money is a social collective institution and this is the reality of the math. Either you redistribute algorithmically with debasement and mining of new coins, or you redistribute with taxes and politics. I would much prefer the former.

It is possible to make a P2P currency that more closely emulates gold's money supply. And has the advantage that no one controls its rate of debasement and thus can't manipulate it to create false business cycles.

This really was a good article.
15  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Don't use Miningunited.com/btccheap.com! on: May 17, 2013, 12:18:06 AM
Its a rip!
16  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Hello everyone on: May 17, 2013, 12:17:10 AM
Welcome sir!
17  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Post your GLD (Gold Coin) address for fee coins! on: May 17, 2013, 12:16:35 AM
GLD Sucks as much as powercoin lol
18  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is a good mining pool for feather coin? on: May 17, 2013, 12:15:27 AM
I'm trying to look for a good mining pool for bitcoin, but because feather coin is kind of newish, I can't find that many, and to make matters worse, I'm not sure what is a good pool or a bad pool. Additionally I have a guiminer (for bitcoins), and guiminer scrypt (for litecoins), and was wondering if I would need a new miner for feather coins? If anyone can help with this I would appreciate it.

I think its called fp2ppool or something, but thats what I use.
19  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Free Bitcoins for Everyone! Also, 0.01BTC prizes for TwitterGames. Join the fun! on: May 17, 2013, 12:14:15 AM
How many Bitcoins are gave out every 30 minutes?
20  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: arggg; HTTP callback for bitcoin address's (.1 btc bounty) on: May 17, 2013, 12:13:08 AM
What are you trying to create?
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