Having looked at a few of the discussions on GitHub and the mailing list, that's the conclusion some developers have drawn, yes.  Moving the goalposts only gets you so far.  At best, you're causing a temporary inconvenience to people who are financially motivated to create this spam.  The best "cure" to the problem is to educate people that buying this crap is a waste of money and a con.  That would eliminate the incentive to create it in the first place.  

People are becoming more entrenched in their worldview.  There was a time, when presented with compelling evidence, reasonable people could change their mind.  But nowadays that's becoming an increasingly rare trait.  Now people just get defensive or hostile when presented with anything that contradicts their beliefs.  Populism frequently overrides truth and it's depressing. 

The internet as a whole is getting worse.  Human nature is getting worse.  It's difficult to have meaningful discussions these days because people cling to 'alternative facts' and just want to live in a dream world.  You certainly could have discussions with people who are brainwashed, but it's generally an exercise in futility.  Along with the issue of topics getting stale and repeating subjects I've already spoken about a dozen times, I find the main reason I'm posting less is because I now mostly put people on ignore when it's clear there's no reasoning with them.

We sadly live in a world where a significant proportion of the population simply aren't worth wasting your time talking to.

That's the software, though.  The Whitepaper itself is still inaccessible for me on that link.  I just get redirected to a page quoting:

I have my own mirror of the Whitepaper, so it's not an issue for me, but the sooner it's once again available on bitcoin.org, the better.

People can run an older version of Bitcoin if they want that.  There's no need to have a worthless fork fronted by a criminal con-artist, identity thief and fraud.

Just accept that you were deceived and move on.  If you continue to push this scam-coin upon unsuspecting victims, you are a piece of shit.  End of discussion.

The software itself seems robust, but it's definitely their organisational structure that leaves them vulnerable.  Other protocols, like Bitcoin or Monero, for example, are developed in such a way that it's incredibly difficult for regulators to interfere.  If Uniswap Labs wasn't funded the way it is (and registered the way it is), they'd be free to do whatever they wanted.  But because they wanted this to be a profitable venture, they are open to meddling from the authorities.  That's a trade-off you're always going to pay for in the end.

Yep, definitely a 'Taproot Assets' thing (they apparently can't call it 'Taro' anymore due to some trademark dispute or something).  But the key takeaway is that it won't result in more blockchain spam.  I'm hoping all the so-called NFT trash will move over to that platform over time, as it is far more resource-efficient versus the Inscriptions / Ordinals / Runes / etc crap.

Point proven.  All they can do is try to sell this spurious notion that people "need debt".  Evidently, they don't, because we've now spent over a decade running a successful economy without debt.

Every day that passes by is further proof that OP is wrong (as are their multitude of other accounts attempting to sell the same lie). 

I believe the troll understands perfectly well.  It's just a point he doesn't wish to acknowledge, because he would then have to concede that Bitcoin exists precisely because of those shortcomings in fiat;  It was designed to alleviate those flaws.  There's a reason why we have a fixed supply and that reason is that fiat depreciates massively over time.

None of these points are in his favour, so he desperately tries to railroad the discussion back to his decidedly abstract (and deeply flawed) notions of value supposedly only existing in debt-based systems.  But he can't control the narrative, so just comes across as a raving kook.

I notice I still can't view the Bitcoin Whitepaper on bitcoin.org, though.  The link https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf currently doesn't work in the UK due to Faketoshi's pathetic little games.  Hopefully that will change soon now that the pantomime has come to an end.

Speaking of unhinged lunatics who aren't worth the oxygen they waste on a daily basis, I hope everyone has the above user BitcoinMoses on 'ignore'.  This user will never contribute anything of value to these boards.  Just as loopy as Wright and (somehow) makes even less sense.

The instigators for these things don't have a long-term interest, though.  It's a pump'n'dump.  They hype it up and then sell it ASAP.  Whether it's a bull or bear market, these things aren't designed to retain or increase their value over time.  Anyone still holding it after the initial pump is just a victim who hasn't learned anything yet.

I feel the same way.  But clearly it isn't a rule that's ever enforced.  Which is a shame.

People wouldn't like it if the internet shined a spotlight on them and tried to invade their privacy in such a fashion.  But hardly any of them recognise the double-standard.  

I hope I'm wrong about this, but something tells me it won't be long before the next incarnation of snake-oil is being hyped up by sleazy little grifters.  Fewer people seem to fall for it each time now, which is a positive, but the parasitic leeches seem determined to sell crap to gullible idiots.  I doubt this is the end.  They'll just come up with a new disguise for the same, old, worthless shit.

If there's any sense in the world, Trump will be in jail.  I get that this is a Bitcoin forum, but don't let your passion for BTC blind you to the reality that the man is a criminal and should absolutely be incarcerated.

But in this instance we're not talking about electricity, but the tradeoff between efficiency of verification and not needing to rely on trust.  That's one of the key pillars it's all built upon.  Something we must never lose sight of.  We accept inefficiency because it means we don't have to trust.  



It can't be slavery if people are offering to do it and have the option to stop at any time.  And people aren't doing it because they expect a monetary reward.  It's again about not needing to rely on trust.  The people running nodes benefit from that.  It's their primary incentive.  SPV users don't gain that benefit.

Maybe don't inter-twine their fates too much, though, yeah?  I don't want peoples' perception of Bitcoin to rely on that skeezy, orange shit-gibbon furthering his own sordid agendas.  He's clearly just being an opportunist.  He doesn't actually care about Bitcoin in the slightest and is merely "riding the coattails".  It's about getting gullible idiots to like the guy.  Don't fall for it.

But it's the price you pay to remove the need for trust.  You wouldn't have to do any of it if you were happy to rely on people being honest, but that wouldn't be the trustless and secure network we've built.  We know it's inefficient, but it is vital. 

Plus, some people are offering to do all that for you so that you don't have to.  Maybe show some appreciation by not asking to make their task any more challenging than it already is.   



There are merely practical considerations people need to be aware of.  Idealism has its place, but it works like it does for good reasons and I get the sense that people don't fully appreciate those practical considerations when they ask for changes.

But, just so it's clear, the conversation could be completely disregarded if someone finds a way within the current consensus rules to offer greater privacy and people choose to use it.  Actions ultimately speak louder than words.  Privacy isn't something we have to ask permission for.  It could just be something we take if a good enough solution is found.  A discussion isn't going to deter those who truly want privacy.

True enough, sadly.  And most will pay the price in the end.  But as long as enough of us persist in doing things the right way, some will still have a chance at freedom.

Mainly just point out to people when they're sleepwalking into subservience.  The path of least resistance is often the one they want you to follow.  Small acts of defiance can be powerful and limit the potential of nudge theory.  If people don't allow themselves to be manipulated, they're more difficult to control.  Don't sign over your personal details for KYC.  Don't acknowledge "taint" (and avoid using services which do).  Don't give up ownership for the sake of convenience.  Then they can't control you.