I hope you can make it, 3btc. I can take over this month. OK, now that I've pulled off a coup, I will suggest that we try having it in a different place: Restaurant Trevi Kaiserstr. 69 Scheidt 66133 (<- technically still in Saarbruecken) Sunday April 6 at 6pm It's a restaurant which also serves alcohol, coffee, tea, and so on. It's a bigger place and it's rarely crowded. Also, I told the owner that we sometimes have a vegan visitor who brings his own food, and the owner said it was OK. So, now, let's see if my coup meets resistance.  ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ich kann die April 6 Stammtisch organisieren. Aber ich empfehle dass wir die Stammtisch heir versuchen: Restaurant Trevi Kaiserstr. 69 Scheidt 66133 (<- noch Saarbruecken) Sunday April 6 at 18 Uhr Es ist hauptsache restaurant aber auch hat alcohol, Kaffee, Tee, usw. Es ist grosser als OM und ist fast niemals verpackt. Ich habe auch mit die Eigentuemer gesprochen dass wir manchmals ein vegan dass seine eigenes Essen mitbringt und er hat gesagt dass es OK ist. Jetzt sehe ich wenn mein Coup ernste Problemen macht. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Does any service offer 2FA via bitmessage?
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OP: Sorry for your loss of 2btc. I'm glad to hear you keep most of your coins offline. I wish more people would.
Regarding 2FA, I would be very reluctant to trust google (either gmail or google authenticator) when it comes to security and/or cryptocurrency. No third party should be trusted, obviously, but at this point it is clear that trusting google means trusting the NSA and other dark forces in the US Govt. Don't do it. Please don't do it. One day this Mt. Gox fiasco could look minor compared to the damage someone could use google to do.
Just keep as many of your coins offline as possible, and be prepared to lose all coins that are online.
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FYI: I saw my first "Bitcoin accepted here" sign in Saarbruecken today! It's an internet cafe (plus phones and usb sticks and so on) on Cecilienstr. I talked to the guy there and he said they take Litecoin as well. I started to add it to coinmap.org since at the moment there is nothing in Saarbruecken, but I would need some kind of account.
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Einfach mal vorbei. Alle sind willkommen.
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3btc has already posted a reminder, but another bump can't hurt. The Saarbruecken Stammtisch is this Sunday (March 2). Come to celebrate that you weren't goxxed, or to complain if you were.
3btc hat schon die thread gebumped, aber ein zweite bump kann nicht schaden. Die Stammtisch ist Sonntag (Marz 2). In den Fall du nicht gegoxxt waeren, komm zu feiern. In den Fall du doch gegoxxt waeren, komm zu schimpfen.
Old Murphy's, Sonntag (Sunday), 18:00 (6pm)
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I've read that the Dark Wallet team is implementing a distributed coinjoin. Is anyone else working on a distributed p2p version? I'm not on the forum often, so if anyone knows of links to forum threads about such projects, please post them. Thanks in advance.
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Users chose to upgrade their nodes. ...
99% of altcoins - supposedly going to save us - do not have developers
If Bitcoin users chose not to upgrade from Current-Bitcoin to Next-Bitcoin, then they will be using a *coin I'll refer to as Current-Bitcoin. Current-Bitcoin will then be a coin without developers. That's a potential problem. I suppose if enough users refused to upgrade, then at least one or two developers would go with them, so I'm not too worried. I just wanted to point it out. In fact, I'm starting to regret using my real name and photo on this forum.
That is really you? I cannot answer your question with a simple yes or no. Identity is a tricky concept. |
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and more importantly their developers
It's not up to them. If you mean it's up to the users and not the developers, it's hard to have a cryptocoin with no developers. If you mean it's not up to the developers because they have to follow the law or go to prison, then I guess you're right. It does make me wish everyone coding and even using bitcoin had followed Satoshi's lead and remained pseudonymous. In fact, I'm starting to regret using my real name and photo on this forum. |
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The laws would cover all the cryptocoins. Not all the cryptocoins (and more importantly their developers) would cooperate with the law.
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Bitcoin Treffen. Sonntag. 2 Feb, 2014. Old Murphy's 18 Uhr
Bitcoin Meeting. Sunday. Feb 2, 2014. Old Murphy's 6pm.
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It's depressing to me how many people in the bitcoin community seem to want regulation, want to cooperate with so-called authorities. Listening to some of the NY hearings yesterday was a downer.
Forking over the FBI-seized coins is probably not worth it, but there are many things that would be worth forking over (e.g., government approved miners with blacklists, forcing government identities to be associated to addresses, etc.). In an open source project like this, I think we can all negotiate from a stronger position if we are ready to fork. In terms of software, the only way people who support bitcoin (in its current form) could fork is by refusing to upgrade.
Maybe it's worthwhile to be prepared in case the liberatarian bitcoiners decide they need to split from the Quisling bitcoiners. Quisling bitcoin would probably be more popular and mainstream because it would be government approved and could be used to go after those doubleplusungood money launderers. I'd personally continue along the libertarian fork if it came to that, even if the Bitcoin Foundation and majority of miners went with the Quisling fork.
There's a saying: Relationships are better when there's a packed suitcase at the door. Don't fork, but always be ready to fork. Currently, in terms of software development support, we aren't ready to fork.
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While I generally agree this is a bad idea, here's how I could imagine building an altcoin which makes a copy of all current bitcoins except the seized FBI coins. The main reason I'm describing it is because I thought of a great name for it: Retcoin (a play on retcon -- which seems like the right concept here). Unfortunately, based on a quick startpage search it seems there may already be a Retcoin.
1. Build an altcoin in the usual way, by copying the Bitcoin code (or Litecoin code, it doesn't matter) and making the appropriate changes.
Hack the code to allow the genesis block to include as many transactions with no inputs as possible, and for it to be as big as possible.
2. For each transaction in the Bitcoin blockchain (at a certain block number, say the one right...now!) with unspent transaction outputs (edit: except the seized FBI coins), make a copy of the transaction erasing the inputs and erasing spent transaction outputs.
3. Put all those transactions into your genesis block.
4. Release.
I have no interest in doing this, but I'd be curious to see the reaction. Actually, I'm generally curious why no one has released an altcoin doing something similar so that owners of bitcoins are automatically owners of the new coins when the new altcoin is released. It seems easy enough to do. It's easy to imagine lots of variations on this -- such as only looking at transactions in the past year so as not to re-reward early Bitcoin adopters.
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Update (Oct/Nov 2014): My github account was deleted for some reason, so the code below is no longer available there. I found someone to host it for me and the links in the message have been updated. I recommend people stop using github. They cannot be trusted not to delete your repo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I recently thought of a way to publish a sequence of "metablocks" containing arbitrary data which is secured by the Bitcoin block chain. It only requires very small Bitcoin transactions so it doesn't bloat the block chain. It also does not create unspendable transaction outputs: it does not destroy bitcoins and does not increase the number of unspent txouts. The idea is to use a public key and the hash of the metablock to compute a modified public key and then address. By spending to this address, one certifies the metablock. The transaction certifying the metablock is included in the successor metablock. I think there are many ways this could be used. One example would be by someone running a notary service like the one at proofofexistence.com. A detailed written description is available here: https://github.com/kronarev/bip0032sbcl/blob/master/propmetablockchains.pdfhttps://mathgate.info/bip0032sbcl/propmetablockchains.pdfI extended my implementation of BIP0032 to include commands for certifying and verifying metablocks. It is not fully automated at the moment, but could be by integrating it with bitcoind. The implementation is here: https://github.com/kronarev/bip0032sbcl/https://mathgate.info/bip0032sbcl/bip0032sbcl.tgzAs an example, I created three "metablocks" which are available at the github repository above as the files MetaBlock1, MetaBlock2 and MetaBlock3. More information is in the README.md file. To get a sense of the bitcoin transactions used to certify metablocks, you can view the ones certifying the three metablocks above here: https://blockchain.info/tx/4b5066707134d715f7b9d2efe3d9f7e0d320689787611ed7cbe1d5cbf98c5768https://blockchain.info/tx/97e023eddaf5bb867c5caf25bfd5b02fc1ce2588a2077cb22bc9a440d5f0e0f2https://blockchain.info/tx/f2fb9b6481ed928aedef27279f7ad3d8db657c81407eee20d5f3a21daf15a28dThe address of output 0 of each of these transactions can be computed from the corresponding metablock. The transaction spending output 0 of the transaction certifies the successor metablock. Feedback is appreciated. It's possible, of course, that someone has done something like this before and I'm not aware of it. If so, please let me know. Edit: I decided it might facilitate discussion to give the idea a name, so I'll refer to it as Promechard.
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Thanks for the link. For those who haven't listened, one of the people interviewed in the video (Dr. Stephanie Murphy) talks about the experience. It's near 75 minutes into the podcast. I thought she came across quite well in the video, but it was apparently a negative experience for her. That's too bad, because she's someone who is clearly quite knowledgeable about cryptocurrency and liberty, and she does a very good job of explaining things. I'm sure many of you know this, as both lets talk bitcoin and free talk live have significant audiences. I laughed more than once at the humor in this thread. I'm OK with that. Generally I'm in favor of people having a sense of humor even about serious subjects. On the other hand, if things like this were to cause Dr. Murphy to spend less time talking about cryptocurrencies, it would be a huge loss to the cryptocurrency community IMO. That's not because she's a woman, but because she's intelligent and a good communicator. The same is true of all the cohosts of lets talk bitcoin. As far as I'm concerned, everyone is welcome in the bitcoin community. Well, except idiots. And people who believe in the state. |
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Tell them the price doesn't matter because you lost all your bitcoins in a tragic boating accident.
Sadly, in my case, that's true.
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Today's the day. I will bring 10 bctips from bctip.org if anyone wants to buy some bitcoins. Each one is loaded with approximately 0.0112 BTC (11.2 mbits) and can be yours for 10 Euros. Yes, apparently I'm selling at a price of almost 900 EUR/BTC. While this seems high, keep in mind that last month a price of close to 160 EUR/BTC seemed high as well. One never knows. See you tonight.
Heute ist der Tag(?) ... Ich bringe 10 bctips von bctip.org wenn jemand moechte bitcoins kaufen. Jedes stueck ist mit 0.0112 BTC (11.2 mbits) geladen und kann fur 10 Euros gekauft werden. Ja, das ist fast 900 EUR/BTC. Weil das hoch klingt, vergesse nicht das laeste Monat die Preis 160 EUR/BTC klingt auch hoch. Man kann Niemals wissen. Bis heute Abend.
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