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101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: November 10, 2014, 04:22:14 PM
You can't expect the raise of public usage unless you show people the official GUI. I don't know why is it so late, more than 6 months passed.

We're working on making the software more functional for payment processors and web wallets rather than concentrating on a GUI for the wallet that is attached to the daemon. The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not use full nodes anymore. In fact, only about 700 full nodes even exist on the Bitcoin network anymore.
102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: November 10, 2014, 03:58:42 PM
I am very much looking forward to M3 #18. Especially keen to see the (lower) per-kb transaction fees, as this should encourage greater trading volume/liquidity.

Further news on LMDB progress would be a bonus.  Smiley

The DB works, you can compile the branch and play with it. I'm pretty sure the one below is the correct branch (I haven't been working personally on it).

https://github.com/tewinget/bitmonero/tree/blockchain
103  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Anyone know a Merkle Root and Genesis Block Generator? for new altcoin on: November 10, 2014, 03:41:06 PM
https://github.com/decred/genesisminer
104  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Dear Would Be Drug Marketplace Operators on: November 10, 2014, 12:18:43 AM
I don't think using multisig addresses for openbazaar donations is going to help anything. Anyone that facaliates the sale of illegal drugs (or any other illegal good for that matter) is risking apprehension by law enforcement as well as a lengthy jail/prison sentence

OpenBazaar is a protocol, not a one stop shop for illegal drugs. Thus, governments probably can't stop development on it any moreso than they could on BitTorrent. If anything, a crackdown on the software would lead more people to using it and developing for it, e.g. PopcornTime.
105  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XMR baghodler reporting in- the uncensored version on: November 09, 2014, 06:37:02 PM
I'm worried about the security of the network, considering only 14% will be left to emit 4 years from now. It just seems unnecessarily fast to me.

in 4 years there's going to be ethereum 8.0, IBM adept (ethereum fork), many other innovations we can't predict, and 293,294 Bitcoin sidechains with myriad features. perhaps a faster distribution curve will be the one thing that ends up saving xmr, because it in theory, with adoption, will cause a more rapid increase in price than these major competing currencies.

my point is, it'll succeed or it won't in the next 4 years, and it's not going to matter what the emission is at that point.
106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XMR baghodler reporting in- the uncensored version on: November 09, 2014, 06:18:07 PM
TacoTime, what do you consider "some crazy dramatic change to the emissions curve."?

suddenly slowing emission to 1/2 or 1/4. in 10 years i bet we'll have people sitting around saying bitcoin was a horrendous instamine, etc, etc. which it is as well. monero just has a faster timescale. there was a time when you could get xmr and btc cheaply, relative to what it is now. it's preprogrammed to be that way. ours is pretty fair too. at this point, cryptocurrencies aren't that new, everyone in tech knows about them, and the onus is on them to read the CN whitepaper and understand what's going on.
107  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: November 09, 2014, 06:15:36 PM
You mean the keys actually involved in the multi sig look the same as usual keys in a ring?

yup. as opposed to bitcoin, where they are stored in the multisig script (and so you can publicly tell all those who are involved). this will be offchain tech, granted we can get it working in the near future.
108  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: November 09, 2014, 06:10:33 PM
Anybody familiar with OpenBazaar source code? How big of an effort do you think it would be to implement an XMR version of it?


ideally we'd need multisig. we're working on a version of it where no one can tell you're using multisig on the blockchain (the tx look the same as any other tx).
109  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XMR baghodler reporting in- the uncensored version on: November 09, 2014, 04:46:31 AM
ehm. i don't usually respond to troll posts, but it's saturday, so why not?

i still have all my xmr.

i have stated before i'll sell all mine if there's some crazy dramatic change to the emissions curve. that's still the way i feel. i am in support of fixing subsidy at 0.1 XMR when we reach it, to cause small amounts of inflation that help secure the chain, but that's it.

in the future, 2-3 years from now, if people want to come back and tell me that xmr was a premine, that they never had a chance to get in on it when it was cheap, direct them to this post and what the chart looked like at this time. xmr was here to buy, it was cheap, the tech is in the CN paper, we implemented the first database for CN core (not a page file), we published the first paper on a number of privacy issues, and i'm working hard to ensure a roll out of new privacy features in the near future. we've battled off several serious attacks and drama, and we've done it on our own dime. we never had a premine, we never had an instamine, we never had a tax.

i personally never sat around pumping the coin, etc etc etc. the tech behind it is good, so i always had faith. we reimplemented the ring sig algo and studied it intensely and couldn't break it. ecdh is trivially secure. the bitcoin core devs spoke favourably of the ring signature technology in the their sidechains paper.

gui for the node is really an afterthought, which was why we never shoved one out quickly. look at how many bitcoin-qts are left running these days; everyone uses a safer reimplementation of the bitcoin wallet or a webwallet because running a full node using 250 GB of bandwidth a month is silly for the end user. rest assured we're working on better solutions.

there's going to be a lot of stuff happening in the near future. dev is rolling along. if you wanna dump your coins now, go for it.
110  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Is anyone still buying? on: November 08, 2014, 05:11:59 PM
There is a point when buying mining hardware will become a good investment versus fiat. When Bitcoin and Litecoin mining profit peaked (May 2011, twice in 2013), ASICs and GPUs were selling at 3-5x their original prices despite being used.

Whether it's just better to simply buy Bitcoin is a different debate.
111  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: November 07, 2014, 06:16:16 AM


 Grin

It's been busy.

The new database code [so far] works great.

Some progress has been made on a major overhaul of the privacy technology of coin via proposed changes to the wallet. Hopefully soon there will be more details about that. We wish to make Monero the high efficiency, high privacy chain with no opt-out for being a mixable element for any given output.

Many of us are travelling at the moment and are all over different countries, so bear with us.
112  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SilkRoad 2 Taken down by Feds on: November 06, 2014, 07:08:41 PM
The FBI can shut it down by arresting the operator, OB is no different. FBI can just arrest the developer of OB, and announce that anyone writing code for OB will be arrested. No developer will touch OB, and without active development, OB is dead in the water.

Until people make t-shirt sized implementations of it.
113  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ZeroVert - First Zerocoin Implementation | New gold standard for privacy on: November 06, 2014, 06:04:11 AM
Wonder what info/comments the devs have? Have they done anything to keep ~25kb and use >80 bit security, with the same benefit that larger proofs provide?

It's probably not possible, unless they've made some advancement in cryptography. From the paper I posted earlier:
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Unfortunately, the double discrete log proof is constructed using cut-and-
choose methods which effectively repeat a single proof multiple times to decrease
the probability of forgery. As a result, the proof is of size λ · 2k where k is the
size of a single field element and λ is the soundness parameter of the proof
. For
1024 bit commitments and an 80 bit security level, this results in a 20KB double
discrete log proof and a total proof size (including the accumulator proof) of
25KB. Moreover, single threaded runtime for both verification and generation of
the proof runs in O(λ · k)
.

There's a reason that ZeroCoin hasn't really been implemented in a cryptocurrency before. Although AnonCoin claims to have done so, using 128 KB niZKPs; God only knows what the verification time is like on those.
114  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ZeroVert - First Zerocoin Implementation | New gold standard for privacy on: November 06, 2014, 01:08:28 AM
Yeah its fairly large and i have a feeling its going to get bigger and bigger  /coin
so if you want to "anonymize" 1000 coins, you need to mint 1000 coins, and spend 1000 coins

Nah, the proofs stay the same size. Although, it looks like the parameters they chose may be totally insecure, at least if they're using the default ZRC lib. I think secure proof sizes were larger, around 128 KB with >3k bit keys, their proof sizes imply much smaller bit commitments. If this is the case the security is already broken.
115  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ZeroVert - First Zerocoin Implementation | New gold standard for privacy on: November 06, 2014, 12:56:07 AM
some zerocoin transactions:
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CC4jCjD3

They look pretty huge to me (as expected), contradicting their claims here:

Interesting, so about 26 KB just for a ZeroCoin commitment and niZKP in the scriptsig alone. That's the same as from libzerocoin.

From Green's lab:
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For 1024 bit commitments and an 80 bit security level, this results in a 20KB double
discrete log proof and a total proof size (including the accumulator proof) of
25KB.
http://fc14.ifca.ai/bitcoin/papers/bitcoin14_submission_12.pdf

...80 bit security?
116  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ZeroVert - First Zerocoin Implementation | New gold standard for privacy on: November 05, 2014, 08:16:37 PM
Which aspect of the security are you referring to? elliptic curve upgrades are always possible and easy to integrate. Also, RSA 2048 is extremely secure. As a reference, RSA 2048 is 2^32 more secure than RSA 1024. The highest known factorization is RSA 768. RSA 1024 is approximately 1000 times stronger than RSA 768. Meaning that our RSA modulus of 2048 is 5 trillion times stronger than current publicly known RSA factorization abilities.

http://www.keylength.com/en/compare/

Enter your key size in "asymmetric key size".
117  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ZeroVert - First Zerocoin Implementation | New gold standard for privacy on: November 05, 2014, 07:02:27 PM
Hm, do you have good reading links so I can understand this? No work until monday, so there's some time Smiley
There's a basic description of how an RSA accumulator works here:
https://eprint.iacr.org/2009/625.pdf

See 2.2, and ignore the initial stuff relating to the hash tables.

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With their plan of becoming a sidechain to vertcoin, could it be possible to retain some form of security post 5-15 years, assuming the transfer is possible?
Um, if the method used to spend the old coins is totally insecure, probably not unless they're additionally wrapped in some way eg a normal ECDSA signature that is otherwise unused.

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With the increased verification time, would ddosing something like a centralized pool become trivial, or is that something separate?
DDoSing a centralized pool is already trivial. Smiley But DDoSing all the nodes on the network is much harder, and the longer verification time makes that trivial.

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What historical information can be garnished from storing the niZKPs on the chain?
That a transaction in the past was actually valid or not.
118  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ZeroVert - First Zerocoin Implementation | New gold standard for privacy on: November 05, 2014, 06:17:48 PM
The accumulator requires an RSA modulus of unknown factorization, so we used the RSA modulus of unknown factorization from the world renowned RSA factoring challenge.

We implement zerocoin, not zerocash. And yes, we said generating transaction is less than a second, with verification time less than a minute

There's only a handful of even modestly secure primes p and q from that list, from 1536-bits to 2048-bits, with which to use to get N = pq. Key lengths of 2048 bits are unlikely to be secure within the next 5-15 years. As far as I can tell, whoever factors these first gets to spend all your zerocoins ever. It's also totally and trivially quantum insecure due to Shor's algorithm.

That you admit proof verification is measured in single to double digit seconds means that both DDoS of a node is trivial and block verification time is insane; you just need to spam invalid proofs from a number of unique IPs to computationally knock a node off the network, and generating a block with more than a few transactions will be an impossibility to propagate throughout the network before another competing block is published, resulting in massive amounts of orphans and a totally insecure blockchain. You could store the verifications over time in a cache, but it's incredibly easy for an attacker to simply not publish these and then publish a block with say, 200 valid zerocoin transactions and totally screw up the network.

That you're not even storing the niZKPs on chain is another huge problem affecting network consensus based on history.
119  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: November 05, 2014, 05:13:57 PM
i agree, we need marketing soon. but slides and everything needed can already be produced now  Wink
i too feel this will be really huge. the tech is superior, dev team is honest, community is grown up and coin is fair.

I think that we have to do 3 things first

+ GUI: better usability shows that XMR tech is mature and easy for mass market (== user adoption == liquidity)
+ Database: amount of memory required for XMR wallet is not trivial any more
+ Multi-signature: some deep web merchants may need it to protect their buyers
The first two is being addressed.

Multisig is being addressed too, but we plan to do it so that signature sizes remain the same.
120  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ZeroVert - First Zerocoin Implementation | New gold standard for privacy on: November 05, 2014, 05:10:54 PM
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Using the RSA modulus from world renowned RSA factoring challenge of unknown factorization

 Huh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_Factoring_Challenge


Right, but can you explain how you did the trustless setup to establish the accumulator? And also what trustless entities exactly were included in the setup, as right now it's impossible to verify that anyone except you has generated the accumulator? That's a rather important point as it would allow you to spend anyone's money otherwise, without anyone possibly being able to tell it was you doing so. It seems confusing to me how you possibly got the niZKP down to a reasonable size and verification time, too, for instance they're 128-256 kb in the default implementation, with verification times of 4 or more seconds each.
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