I confirm that I will be one of the escrow agents for this project. Excited!
Thank you for confirming escrow Monbux. I know many have expressed great interest knowing that the funds will be secured by trusted and prominent members of bitcointalk like yourself. |
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Moneypot in my opinion is a very well established and proven profitable project that over time should be able to produce real revenue for its investors. If Edgeless and Bitdice, in my opinion less established and less intelligent projects can be successful Moneypot could be a very solid ICO.
We respect both sites. I believe they were both successful with their ICO's. BitDice has raised over $10,400,000 thus far and I believe Edgeless tokens are now ~20x their starting ICO price. So it is very complimenting that you say that. I like the basics of this project and hope it'll be a success. Will contribute to it myself as I'm part of the signature campaign.
Thank you. Sure, i'll invest in gambling, all seems to be in order.
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How can buy this token?
Thanks.
Registration will open up later today with the First day of purchasing tokens opening September 17 on the ico.moneypot.com site. The site process is pretty straight forward, but we will be providing details in graphics form on how to complete it. |
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its mean this campaign olny accepted participant which registered today only?
or 13-23
14-24
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Registration will close today. I'll give this a go!
Hhampuz - 881377
Sr. Member
2464 (2465 with this one)
Hhampuz on MP. Although I'd prefer to get these tokens and not any BTC, will they be based on ETH or are you making your own coin from scratch? Sorry If I have not read it all through before making this post, looks interesting though!
MPX is a Waves token. You will receive either to a Waves account or your Moneypot account. --------------------- Hhampuz and Catcushrt accepted. |
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Accepted:
hexah
immakillya
heyyyrenz
xaxistech
kuryadi
cissrawk
Edraket31
Snub
zupdawg
randal9
bl4nkcode
muzika
kamike
clark05
carrency
ararbermas
sotoshihero
kevondo
sieemma
creepings
ladydark
btcjocan
corroze
text
Praesidium
gabbie2010
bozo333
arseaboy
Declined:
Nao** , Aa***1
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then each every time dividends gonna be distributed to the holders of tokens having them in the DEX of WAVES ?? or we can hold it in our moneypot wallets too??? or how gonna works the distribution???
There will be donations contributed weekly to all MPX holders from Moneypot. For those holding MPX on Waves, you will receive an airdrop of a custom token (ie: Sep24drop) via our custom python script based on snapshot of the MPX blockchain. You can then trade the token on the Waves decentralized exchange to redeem from a setup bitcoin wall. For those holding MPX on Moneypot, you will receive a transfer of bitcoin directly to your Moneypot account. |
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bitillionaire, euele, stergium, betudontbet, deadsilent, and semisyntheticpsy all approved. Thanks.
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I'd like to join the campaign.
Are we eligible for both of the bitcoin/token bounties or have to choose just one?
Just one. sweetbtc , dunfida , tipstar, chris314, chineseprancing, olubams have been approved. 1 member has been rejected. We do not accept members with negative trust. Sorry. |
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 10 Day Signature Blitz (Sep 13-23) for advertising MPX ICO.
MPX is an ICO Cryptocurrency that fuels the Moneypot network, soon to be including a major bitcoin/altcoin exchange, and popular gaming sites.
For more information, please see the ANN thread or the Official ICO Site.
Pay for 10 Day Period paid in MPX at end of ICO$50 USD -- Full Members
$100 USD -- Senior Members
$150 USD -- Hero Members
For Bitcoin Payrates, Please visit the Bitcoin/MPX Giveaway Sig Thread
Wearing the Signature also makes you eligible for a 150% Bonus for Referrals. For more information see the Referral Page. (link soon)
Rules:Make a minimum of 30 QUALITY posts.
Don't spam. Write a few well thought out sentences each post.
Those with negative trust during signature will be ineligible for pay.
Don't edit the sig. Only changing the REFER = 'username' is allowed.
Spread your posts out. Don't post all in one bunch.
More than 2 posts in the same thread will not be counted.
Posts won't count for Lending, Off-Topic, Games & Rounds, Micro Earnings, Auctions, Investor Based Games, Beginners and Help, Politics.
If you post in MPX ICO thread, focus on quality content.
Join by:Posting Bitcoin Username & UID
Posting Rank
Posting Starting Post Count
Posting Moneypot Username
Wearing appropriate signature
Optional: Wear Avatar (1) or (2) and put text REFER = 'YourUsername' as text.
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10 Day Signature Blitz (Sep 13-23) for advertising MPX ICO.
MPX is an ICO Cryptocurrency that fuels the Moneypot network, soon to be including a major bitcoin/altcoin exchange, and popular gaming sites.
For more information, please see the ANN thread or the Official ICO Site.
Pay for 10 Day Period (Half in Bitcoin end of campaign, Half in MPX post-ICO):$30 USD -- Full Members
$66 USD -- Senior Members
$100 USD -- Hero Members
For higher Payrates, Please visit the Altcoin Giveaway Sig Thread
Wearing the Signature also makes you eligible for a 150% Bonus for Referrals. For more information see the Referral Page. (link soon)
Rules:Make a minimum of 30 QUALITY posts.
Don't spam. Write a few well thought out sentences each post.
Those with negative trust during signature will be ineligible for pay.
Don't edit the sig. Only changing the REFER = 'username' is allowed.
Spread your posts out. Don't post all in one bunch.
More than 2 posts in the same thread will not be counted.
Posts won't count for Lending, Off-Topic, Games & Rounds, Micro Earnings, Auctions, Investor Based Games, Beginners and Help, Politics.
If you post in MPX ICO thread, focus on quality content.
Join by:Posting Bitcoin Username & UID
Posting Rank
Posting Starting Post Count
Posting Bitcoin Address or Moneypot Username
Wearing appropriate signature
Optional: Wear Avatar (1) or (2) and put text REFER = 'YourUsername' as text.
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good project i think can big succes
why not use ETH token smart contract, ussualy all people prefere use ETH token smartcontract
and easy added to exchanger, waves token can dificult added to exchanger after ico end
wait open bounty
We liked the Waves community and the ease of having a decentralized exchange immediately after ICO distribution. At this current point, we are more comfortable working with Waves nodes than with smart contracts. |
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Very nice project, how about Signature Campaign ?  Signature campaign threads will be open within the next 2 hours. Unfortunately it is not eligible for Junior members or below. |
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bounty only for Senior Member.....
Senior members and above will be able to participate in the signature campaigns. Members below senior can participate in the facebook/twitter program as well as the affiliate program. These will be made available later today. |
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I am interested in the " "in the title of this thread.What does it means? sir.  Reserve the Chinese Translation if required . No Chinese Translation is needed. It is preferred that translations are not requested on this thread. There is no real significance behind the other than to help stand out from the others. is this project from moneypot.com. I'm offline for a long time but usually play your game 2 years ago
This project while different than Moneypot.com, works together with the Moneypot network and its team. If you haven't visited lately, I suggest you take a look on how it is evolving to a web-wallet and hub that still supports the gaming platform that old customers were accustomed to. Unfortunately the discussion moved away from the previous thread before you were able to reply to concerns regarding MoneyPot's solvency. I'll quote them here so you have a chance to respond: Hm? I don't mean to sounds like an ass, but I don't understand this. Didn't you guys have like have 500+ bitcoin or something? At current prices that's like $300k USD worth of BCC. I don't understand how you could possibly justify not collecting so much free money, especially when you're still holding all that unpaid debt to investors. I might be a bit off base here, but the only logical reason I can think of is that it might exacerbate solvency issues?
When you acquired MoneyPot nearly two years ago, investors were in profit. Now investors are at a loss while MoneyPot itself continues to profit at their expense. In no small part this is because at some point you decided to expose investors to a dangerous amount of risk despite being warned of the consequences multiple times. Understandably, there is some mistrust towards you.
Distributing the BCH that rightfully belongs to investors–you say as much yourself–would go a long way towards regaining some of the goodwill you've lost. Multi-currency support is already one of your main features and Bitcoin Cash's API is virtually identical to Bitcoin's, making it fairly trivial for you to make that money available.
So I don't understand why you would take this position and leave what is essentially free money for your investors on the table. The only rational explanation that comes to mind is that MoneyPot is insolvent and does not hold enough BTC and BCH to meet its liabilities towards investors.
As a former MoneyPot investor myself, I'd love for you to prove me wrong by demonstrating your solvency–like MoneyPot regularly used to before you stopped doing it.
At the very least you should publish a list of MoneyPot's addresses at the time of the fork so that we may verify that the majority of BCH has in fact not been claimed as you say. You would not need to provide your current addresses, so there should not be any serious privacy concerns, but providing this proof to a universally trusted third party like dooglus would also be acceptable.
Also, could you please clarify how the advertised net profit of 500 BTC was determined? According to the information here, that must include the 449 BTC in commission that app owners have received. I assume app owners would continue to receive their commission in the future, so it's not really reasonable to consider that part of MoneyPot's profit. The actual net profit of MoneyPot and its investors that is relevant to ICO investors is a little under 70 BTC instead. We had closed the thread to focus on this next phase, the ICO. We made our policies and statements known, as we did here in all the information provided. Post-ICO, The plan is to make the majority of the main bankrolls to be private, consisting of a portion of MPX funds as the contributing house bankroll. Current investors of the bankroll will be divested, to be cashed out, completely separate from the MPX funds. The good thing about this upcoming new setup is that all funds and holdings will be protected by the trusted escrow team. All expenses and transactions will be verified. This applies for during and beyond the ICO's completion. You can find more information at https://www.moneypot.com/escrowterms.pdf . Yes, the overall investor profit under the last commission model was -91.8 BTC. You can check the stats at dicesites.com/moneypot. The overall site profit however was 518.8 BTC. We believed the 500 profit to be the most representative number to use. Had the investors under the last setup performed above equity, it would be otherwise confusing to lead them to believe that they'd earn the same rate. Likewise when it is under equity. Apps will continue to receive 40% and with the planned move to a mostly private bankroll, this would leave 60% of the house edge left for MPX. Under the previous results this would have the investor site profit as +69.8 BTC. This of course is based on the previous result which was under expected value, the true calculation that MPX will depend on. Let me explain: When MPX funds are used for a bankroll, it is directly created to work off the house edge calculations. If 100 BTC is wagered for the day and the house edge is 1%: 100 BTC * .004 (40% of house edge) = .4 BTC will go to App Owners directly. 100 BTC * .006 (60% of house edge) = .6 BTC will go toward the Moneypot network directly. Theoretically, the bankroll contributed from the MPX funds, remains the same, working off of a 0% house edge. This allows for a steady stream of MPX investments without necessarily drawing to or from contributing funds. It also allows the escrow to keep almost all contributed house bankroll funds still under their control, as only a small portion is needed to support the bankroll's variance. If the same stats were applied from V1 of Moneypot, these bets (drawing the stats from dicesites) would produce 97,000 * .006 = 582 BTC in generated profit for the Moneypot network. |
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Hey, correct me if i am wrong you guys will be offering 98M tokens for sale during the ICO, or it's a different amount?
Thanks
98M tokens (MPX) will be for sale. It will simply be distributed by 98M / Total BTC value collected. Bonuses will not dilute the MPX token pool. This bounty event is only open to senior members, hope to give newbie some opportunities
We will only have signatures for Senior and above, but there is still a chance to earn with the affiliate program for the ICO. You can earn up to 5-7.5% of what you refer to the ICO. More details about it are being released tomorrow. |
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        Projects are still currently being upgraded. Check back often to see progress and improvements being made.
Registration will open up Sep 13. Take some time to read the information provided.Token Crowdsale Structure:
Day 1: Sept 17 ---- 30% Early Bonus
Day 2,3,4: Sep 18-20 -- 20% Early Bonus
Day 5,6,7: Sep 21-23 -- 15% Early Bonus
Day 8-14: Sep 24-30 -- 10%Early Bonus
Day 15-17 (Optional): Oct 1-3 No bonusSupply: 100,000,000 MPX (Waves Token)
* Bonus will be paid out in Rubies and bought back by the Moneypot team based by order of purchase (Rewarding early users).
2,000,000 Rubies (purchased already at market prices) will be distributed according to totals and date. This will be marked.
Buybacks of Rubies will continue throughout, meaning that after buybacks are completed, the funds will go towards buying through the order book at the same ICO pegged price.
Rubies are currently traded at Yo-Bit.net , Livecoin.net, and C-Cex and swappable for R2B2
** 40% of income is agreed to be donated by the Moneypot team and enforced/upheld by the escrow team. For more information, please refer to the MPX Whitepaper
***50% of income from Moneypot members will be used for the buyback of ICO Bonus Rubies at pegged ICO price calculated by Total Bonus Pool / 2,000,000 Rubies distributed.
**** Escrows will hold funds collected during and throughout MPX development. Please see 'Escrow Terms' for more details.
Small additional bonuses (other than 'Early Bonus') are available. Please see the MPX Whitepaper for details.
[Links to Appropriate threads Coming 9/12]
Referral/Affiliate Program
Signature Campaign (BTC)
Signature Campaign (MPX)
Twitter Campaign
Feel free to wear our Signature for Support or to Gain Referrals
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We make no disputes that overall investors had accumulated a loss. While the risk was above 1x kelly, it can not be attributed directly to the losses. Several sites have operated at a much higher kelly level and have done just fine (with some even praising and expecting such returns as a result).
Throughout our control, we took steps to adjust to each investor shortcoming, often taking potential and actual losses from our own side to make up for this. We made our BCC and other policies known. We never hid the risks involved and we did not go out of our way to publicly invite users to invest or take part of the bankroll. We have agreed to compensate and credit our investors directly from earnings from different streams of revenue and we intend to keep this promise. No Moneypot team member has received a single dividend nor has been paid for work performed.
We stick by our past statements and policies. The plan is and always has remained the same. Moneypot is going to upgrade to V2, migrate away from gambling being the main focus, and work towards becoming a more complete web wallet solution.
We have advised this same plan to focus on long term growth, stability, and security. After this upcoming phase, the next steps will be instilling the help of the most trusted escrows to carry forward with funds in a very consumer protected manner. Many have divested or left, many have stayed throughout, and others have returned and welcome the coming of V2 and beyond. We want to make every customer happy, including that of old and that of new.
All of our efforts are going towards the next phase and step to make Moneypot and everyone involved content. We are committed to this and we will stand by it. This thread will be locked as we are closing the chapter on V1 and moving towards the V2 one. We thank all those that support this same notion and welcome you to join us in our next transition.
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Thanks. It's not at all near finished form. We are going to be working hard on upgrading it and putting all the final bells and whistles on it.
The current bets are on training wheels as we inspect them as well, so one can expect faster bet speeds when we take them off.
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