None of the things you mentioned are relevant except mybitcoin perhaps.

Silk road is fabricated? Really?  Then I suppose the stuff several people I know purchased and received and used is imaginary... just like bitcoin.

The issue, and I repeat, is getting bitcoin usable and adopted by regular people for convenient reasons for tangible things.  Do that, and it will skyrocket.

I am thinking of and could dedicate one of my shows to talking about bitcoin.  I have unlimited bandwidth so there would be no outages, I have pro video & audio equipment, and people or vendors or whoever could skype in, call in via phone, or chat in the chat room. No one would have to travel anywhere and ideas could be discussed live in real time.  It's not a convention.. no... but it doesn't require anything big as I already have the needed setup and most of the bitcoin crowd I think can figure out skype.  The bitcoin show was more of a live to tape thing and not really live nor interactive - this would be live and interactive.

I don't have enough invested in bitcoin to justify flying off to somewhere else at this point, but if another conference is held in NYC I will offer my film / live streaming production services for both pc / mac video and shoutcast radio and android and iphone apps.  If the location is other than NYC and some donations can be raised to get me and my equipment to the destination, that's also a possibility.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39874.msg486378#msg486378

I responded to something similar to this in another thread but I think it's very important:

The main thing causing lack of growth of bitcoin is that it is just a geeky pain in the ass not geared towards the common person and the common person would not even understand a need / use for it except maybe for two things right now:

#1 silk road

College kids find out about silk road, which only takes bitcoin, which leads them to find out about bitcoin and want to buy stuff.  It is ridiculous but this is probably the number one thing holding the bitcoin to any real value right now because why in the hell would you go through all the hoops and hassles for anything else?  Wire money to some strange internet company you know nothing about to get a weird intermediate currency / commodity to buy what? Overpriced socks and bad dry and canned food? Why not just BUY the stuff with your currency.

2 - gambling sites

People love gambling and bitcoin is perfect for this as the US has stopped all transfers of any kind to places like pokerstars ect that had a HUGE market of U.S. players now not having anywhere to play.  We haven't seen any major sites embrace bitcoins but little ones have popped up - so you can actually play poker online for real money, but it's still a pain in the ass for the average joe.  Bitcoin is a WORLDWIDE currency / commodity so the amount of time and what the governments would do about it remains to be seen.

All other bitcoin value right now (which I guess would be the #3 thing pegging it to any value) is based on speculation from miners and computer geeks and some investors / traders buying and selling - or a few people trying to move money around without being taxed / noticed. There are some exeptions with the very very few trendy places in NYC and a few other tech hubs in the world that actually have real places that accept bitcoins fpr tangible things like food and items without markups - but again the question begs - why would you use bitcoins there if you are a REGULAR person? You wouldn't, because you would just use your normal currency.  The people spending bitcoins at these places right now are miners who are feeling cool that they got lunch out of letting their gpus run, and it is kind of neat to do this, is is an exciting thing to this small crowd - but how can this excitement be brought to the common man?

I have tried to spread bitcoin and the idea of it to non tech friends and it's a hard sell - unless they are a stoner and you tell them about silk road, then they are motivated.

There needs to be the SAME level of motivation for the average joe and it needs to be easy and greatly improved - the client, the wallet issues, backing them up securely - this all needs to be in a nice friendly app / gui for dummies - otherwise this is going to remain a technotoy currency for hobbyists, despite its lofty ideas. Average people don't want to hear about keys and encryption, it makes them run away, this needs to be built in to the client with backup built in and "and idiots guide" book pdf with the client or app.

The easiest / fastest way to get bitcoins so far is exchB by far (for U.S,).  You deposit cash, you get your money on account very fast - BUT - this is STILL too complex for the average joe... he wants to go to a place like a bank and just hand  money over and get the bitcoins and buy his stuff on silk road or play his poker or send his money to friends in a third world country.  Average joe wants to buy some bitcoins right now and hand over the money and have the coins - average joe is not a stock market person and doesn't understand that now he has to put in a 'bid' order... "what's that?" says average joe? screw this and just uses his cash.


Bitcoin atms, and direct buy bitcoins at current price instantly needs to happen and sell in both directions easily and not on some IRC channel which is again, for geeks. Mom doesn't know what an IRC channel is. Mom knows what ebay is. If mom is really hip, mom might know what paypal is. That's as far as it goes.

The above two companies control the internet trading grid along with amazon, and for bitcoin to break through that grid it needs to be as easy, but of course, banks and ebay and paypal will see this as a threat - so it's hard to do anything direct credit card or paypal to bitcoin OFFICIALLY because it's a chargeback nightmare - but the deposit cash into an atm and get bitcoins might work.

Then there needs to be some more positive national TV coverage, and it just might work.. currently, it's geek hobby at best and only exists because of the above and miners spending and selling.

When the regular people want in, and have reason, and the massive layer of middlemen curs down, it could go through the roof. This is not currently happening though.

- Blackout

I agree that the main thing causing lack of growth of bitcoin is that it is just a geeky pain in the ass not geared towards the common person and the common person would not even understand a need / use for it except maybe for two things right now:

#1 silk road

College kids find out about silk road, which only takes bitcoin, which leads them to find out about bitcoin and want to buy stuff.  It is ridiculous but this is probably the number one thing holding the bitcoin to any real value right now because why in the hell would you go through all the hoops and hassles for anything else?  Wire money to some strange internet company you no nothing about to get a weird intermediate currency / commodity to buy what? Overpriced socks and bad dry and canned food? Why not just BUY the stuff with your currency.

2 - gambling sites

People love gambling and bitcoin is perfect for this - we haven't seen any major sites embrace it but little ones have popped up.  So you can actually play poker online for real money, but it's still a pain in the ass for the average joe.

All other bitcoin value right now (which I guess would be the #3 thing pegging it to any value) is based on speculation from miners and computer geeks and some investors / traders buying and selling - or a few people trying to move money around without being taxed / noticed. There are some exeptions with the very very few trendy places in NYC and a few other tech hubs in the world that actually have real places that accept bitcoins fpr tangible things like food and items without markups - but again the question begs - why would you use bitcoins there if you are a REGULAR person? You wouldn't, because you would just use your normal currency.  The people spending bitcoins at these places right now are miners who are feeling cool that they got lunch out of letting their gpus run.

I have tried to spread bitcoin and the idea of it to non tech friends and it's a hard sell - unless they are a stoner and you tell them about silk road, then they are motivated.

There needs to be the SAME level of motivation for the average joe and it needs to be easy and greatly improved - the client, the wallet issues, backing them up securely - this all needs to be in a nice friendly app / gui for dummies - otherwise this is going to remain a technotoy currency for hobbyists, despite its lofty ideas. Average people don't want to hear about keys and encryption, it makes them run away, this needs to be built in to the client with backup built in and "and idiots guide" book pdf with the client or app.

The easiest / fastest way to get bitcoins so far is exchB by far (for U.S,).  You deposit cash, you get your money on account very fast - BUT - this is STILL too complex for the average joe... he wants to go to a place like a bank and just hand  money over and get the bitcoins and buy his stuff on silk road or play his poker or send his money to friends in a third world country.  Average joe wants to buy some bitcoins right now and hand over the money and have the coins - average joe is not a stock market person and doesn't understand that now he has to put in a 'bid' order... "what's that?" says average joe? screw this and just uses his cash.


Bitcoin atms, and direct buy bitcoins at current price instantly needs to happen and sell in both directions easily and not on some IRC channel which is again, for geeks. Mom doesn't know what an IRC channel is. Mom knows what ebay is. If mom is really hip, mom might know what paypal is. That's as far as it goes.

The above two companies control the internet trading grid along with amazon, and for bitcoin to break through that grid it needs to be as easy, but of course, banks and ebay and paypal will see this as a threat - so it's hard to do anything direct credit card or paypal to bitcoin OFFICIALLY because it's a chargeback nightmare - but the deposit cash into an atm and get bitcoins might work.

Then there needs to be some more positive national TV coverage, and it just might work.. currently, it's geek hobby at best and only exists because of the above and miners spending and selling.

When the regular people want in, and have reason, and the massive layer of middlemen curs down, it could go through the roof. This is not currently happening though.

- Blackout

All the bitcoin sites are using the same software. I might start up my own poker room at http://blackout.com and better promote it but currently I'm playing at btcontilt there's a refferal code in my sig I have no idea what it does.

sealswithclubs is always absolutely dead I never see a soul there.. btcontilt is better but it boils down to about the same 10 to 20 regulars.... a good poker site needs to spend some money on advertising and coop with a site like https://www.exchangebitcoins.com so that the novice can get chips easy and fast.

Currently in the U.S. the fastest way is to deposit cash into exchB then you can have your bitcoins within an hour (they are very fast) but then there is a delay on the poker site.. sometime bctontilt can be very slow and this is annoying.  When I send bitcoins on want them there on 1 confirmation when I withdraw I want them when I withdraw I don't want to wait for some kid running the site to check his e-mail and do it.  This is no good.

The issue here is twofold - texas hold em is geeky but main stream, but bitcoin is extremely geeky and non 'fish' average joe friendly - so people who are playing for real btc at the tables are all technophiles of some sort and that eliminates a huge influx of regular players (where profit comes)

This post is most non non non non non non non non non excellent...

Here's the truth:

Announce you plan to buy a big load of bitcoins.
Doesn't matter if you do or don't
nothing happens till someone really does purchase said bitcoins,
market reacts same as ever when there are buyers and sellers.

This post effects nothing.

I will have you know I plan on purchasing 7,167,700 btc (the entire amount currently) when the price hits
0.00000001 (Bitcoins true value)

I have my 7 cents ready now to make this purchase.

I just wanted to warn the market community.

Hopefully before you sent the BTC?

Problem is then you get a bunch of chargebacks and paypal will get on your ass.  I have stopped
selling bitcoins on ebay it's just a mess, even with my idea of selling a physical book that must be received with a special code to get the "free" included coins, almost all the bidders are hacked accounts because they are willing to outbid normal real people in hopes you will just send the BTC.

It's a shame because there is a real lucrative market but it is being outdone by hackers.

Ok everybody break it up.

Pattaya is obviously a bad idea and no one wants it let's just stick to that and move on to productive new measures and everyone stop bashing each other. Yeah there's some ugly stuff found and this thread has turned even uglier.

Lifestyles and bitcoin should be kept separate.
repeat
Lifestyles and bitcoin should be kept separate.

Let's close this bitch fest down and focus on cleaning up and
moving on.  

- Blackout

CHROME is open source? Show me where?

It is my understanding Google has built a lot of nasty data collecting into chrome... and while it is blazing fast, I have stopped using it.

What really goes down in Pattaya:
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/30/motivator3593515nh2.jpg

Thanks. Were you able to view any of the work on a full HD screen?

Yeah good luck with that.  Pretty much useless and won't stand up because the buyer will claim the HACKER agreed to that, not him

<----  +42 this is the way to go.

What really goes down in Pattaya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoneogHmZOI

I don't think amending a "you have no right for chargeback" statement in your sale would work - because ebay states you can't override their rules and so does paypal.

I dabbled in selling BTC on ebay and only got a few legitimate buyers and more than 60% scams.  I have been trying to figure out some way to prevent the scamming but have not yet, so now I do not send the BTC ever until I mail an instruction booklet with a secret phrase that must go to their address and be opening and e-mailed to me. This of course is confirmed delivery, which I must charge extra for, but I even got a charge back on that which is now in dispute.  My term is that I am selling a beginners guide to bitcoins and including the bitcoins as a BONUS once you receive your guide.  Paypal is not liking this though. We'll see what comes of it.  Until then no more ebay selling for me.

In an earlier thread, it was indicated that Ebay was pulling BTC listings - they are no longer doing that, they are allowing them, but it doesn't really matter since the risk is far too great even though there are many honest newbie buyers who wish to purchase bitcoins at a premium on ebay, there are more frauds than honest people, and feedback doesn't help.

Paypal ALWAYS sides on the side of the buyer, so the current scam is to brute force hack accounts on ebay and buy up bitcoins.  Since the bitcoin transfer is NON reversible, after the honest btc seller on ebay gets the paypal money and sends the bitcoins, the non honest paypal / ebay user then says "oh my account was hacked! Sure, some accounts were hacked... and many were not - but they go on a btc buying spree to LOOK like they were hacked fully knowing that paypal will reverse the charges.

So person goes bitcoin buying spree, the tells ebay/paypal (same company) "oh no I was hacked"
Person now has all the bitcoins, and gets their money back. Seller of bitcoins is screwed.

BTC seller is f&#ked because A> paypal ALWAYS sides with the buyer. B> bitcoins are long gone and you are out of luck and they just take the money right out of your account and may even freeze it.  Ebay was originally pulling bitcoin listings but it appears they are allowing it now, but almost ALL the buyers are scammers either hacking the account or pretending to be hacked.

EVEN if you sell a physical item with the bitcoins, and say mail a piece of paper to the address that is a Bitcoin instruction booklet and get confirmed delivery - and in that booklet you include a unique phrase that must be emailed to you for the person to receive the BTC (as a bonus) you are selling the book, it seems paypal doesn't care.

Paypal ALWAYS sides on the side of the buyer, so the current scam is to brute force hack accounts on ebay and buy up bitcoins.  Since the bitcoin transfer is NON reversible, after the honest btc seller on ebay gets the paypal money and sends the bitcoins, the non honest paypal / ebay user then says "oh my account was hacked! Sure, some accounts were hacked... and many were not - but they go on a btc buying spree to LOOK like they were hacked fully knowing that paypal will reverse the charges.

So person goes bitcoin buying spree, the tells ebay/paypal (same company) "oh no I was hacked"
Person now has all the bitcoins, and gets their money back. Seller of bitcoins is screwed.

BTC seller is fucked because A> paypal ALWAYS sides with the buyer. B> bitcoins are long gone and you are out of luck and they just take the money right out of your account and may even freeze it.  Ebay was originally pulling bitcoin listings but it appears they are allowing it now, but almost ALL the buyers are scammers either hacking the account or pretending to be hacked.

This needs a current thread of its own.

I'm very into awareness, consciousness, spirituality, philosophy, and have always been a non hive thinker.
I've read every (well not every but every major) religions holy books, I've studied all the hermetic, Gnostic, and secret societies and ancient wisdom schools, I have probably also read every major work on sacred texts. I've experimented with everything from occult magic to pyramids to nlp and the one thing that I have found is that you become what you think about, and the more you think about it and take even little steps towards it, and the more you believe this, it manifests and you attract others of like mind.  You can call it law of attraction or whatever you want, but I'm not talking about reading the book "The Secret".

In all I have learned, and then practically applied in tests to see results in my life, dreams, being, it comes down to this:

We are all what you would term 'God' or ONE or energy or connected or chi or the One Infinite Creator or __________ insert whatever fits your bill there.  

Like a heartbeat, and like breathing, we go through energy cycles of separation and connection or oneness.... back to being in oneness, then into our uniqueness.  In actuality we are always one, but our perception shifts. Both are a wonderful thing.  The unique you is a filter through which you get to look at the rest of you - other selves, supposedly physical items, and have experience.  Your belief systems create these experiences.   This 3d/4d world is slower at manifesting but that is speeding up.  In your dreams, things can be non linear and be created out of thin air - here it takes longer and is more linear, but that is only an illusion. Both can be dreams, thought is what is real, the only thing that can be proven is that you exist and are having experience.  Since this is so, you have always existed and will always exist, it is only your experience and form that changes - you are in an eternal moment that is a bubble, time is not linear.  If time were truly linear, there would be an infinite amount of time before your birth, so this current you couldn't possibly be reading this.

Most people give up the quest to really KNOW just what the hell is going on here?  They are too busy running the rat wheel to maintain their material possession life style. It unfortunately usually requires some great tragedy, hardship, sadness, or suffering to form a catalyst to finally wake up out of the sheeple heard that is society.  Most people are not original thinkers and living what they were told to live, but they think they made it up.  This is not bad as it sounds as eventually, everyone will wake up, because everyone is one.

Government & religion, while sometimes having good intentions,  always decay into control & power structures that impose fear on the non adept or uninitiated spirit.  

"I'm too busy to think about my being, I have to go to WORK and do REAL stuff to make money, I have a mortgage for christ's sake, don't talk to me about this new age bullshit." Will be most people's reply to any sort of discussion like this.  The system was designed that way be a few individuals who wished to retain power and the knowledge of everyone's true potential to themselves.

This can clearly be seen all around the world in the massive fear mongering that dominates almost every news broadcast, which is then followed 90% of the time by an anti depressant medication commercial or some other BS drug that does not heal anything, but just makes one sicker.

Because of this, most enlightenment schools simply went secretive, because all of everything is within you, not without you, and you must seek within and grow in your own Gnostic experience. No one can TELL you truth, and every truth is relative until you know something for your own self.  

I don't know what the hell I am doing here talking about this on the bitcoin forums, but I felt like writing it. I hope it stirs something in you, or perhaps I'm just a lunatic.

- Blackout


  

Thank you - if you truly enjoyed the calls - laughter BTC donations are gladly accepted!

Blackout: 17jYWqacRLUrU9VekEtSbxYyznocV4ydW7

So what is the frequency of which you should backup your keys in your wallet.dat file?

Is a key used for every transaction?

So if you have gone past 100 transactions and you have an old backup - it's usless because you have gone beyond those keys?

Am I getting this now or no?