It might be you. And the more relavant part of the convo might get buried because of your personal resolution in the previous page to attack some posters. Still like to see the raw data in maybe google spreadsheet as I wanted to derive some more numbers (for both XMR and BTC) 1. Volatility is the variance of price over time. Now, since Bitcoin has had 10,000%+ runs during its history along with -93% declines, and Monero has had neither, the burden of mathematical/statistical proof is on you. Please make your calculations. Here you go. I compared BTC to XMR in 2 ways, the first is a lifetime-to-lifetime comparison and the second runs from 5/20/14 - 8/12/14 (I couldn't find price data for XMR before 5/20). The average % daily change for BTC across its lifetime is 0.84%, with a standard deviation of 0.0713 (this is the "volatility" number). The average % daily change for XMR across its lifetime (starting on 5/20) is 1.16%, with a standard deviation of 0.1671, or 2.34x greater volatility than BTC. The average % daily change for BTC in the same time period as XMR (from 5/20 to 8/12) was 0.33% with a st. dev. of 0.0277, which is 6x less volatile than XMR. So no matter how you want to cut the numbers, you're wrong. 2. I checked your post history and would like to ask why you so bitter against many people?
Because many people such as yourself get your rocks off by making the world a shittier place for a living. You are a Monero shill through and through. It is your job to get people to waste their money on this useless bullshit coin. And you can fool most of the people but you're not fooling me because I have an actual understanding and working knowledge of the terms you just throw around to impress others. And that's how I can tell you are 100% bullshit.Now have a nice day. |
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1. Volatility is the variance of price over time. Now, since Bitcoin has had 10,000%+ runs during its history along with -93% declines, and Monero has had neither, the burden of mathematical/statistical proof is on you. Please make your calculations. Here you go. I compared BTC to XMR in 2 ways, the first is a lifetime-to-lifetime comparison and the second runs from 5/20/14 - 8/12/14 (I couldn't find price data for XMR before 5/20). The average % daily change for BTC across its lifetime is 0.84%, with a standard deviation of 0.0713 (this is the "volatility" number). The average % daily change for XMR across its lifetime (starting on 5/20) is 1.16%, with a standard deviation of 0.1671, or 2.34x greater volatility than BTC. The average % daily change for BTC in the same time period as XMR (from 5/20 to 8/12) was 0.33% with a st. dev. of 0.0277, which is 6x less volatile than XMR. So no matter how you want to cut the numbers, you're wrong. 2. I checked your post history and would like to ask why you so bitter against many people?
Because many people such as yourself get your rocks off by making the world a shittier place for a living. You are a Monero shill through and through. It is your job to get people to waste their money on this useless bullshit coin. And you can fool most of the people but you're not fooling me because I have an actual understanding and working knowledge of the terms you just throw around to impress others. And that's how I can tell you are 100% bullshit.Now have a nice day. Can you please upload the dataset you used to come up with the numbers? Thanks in advance. XMR prices prior to 5/20 can be found here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.0 |
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Have always tried to be respectful in these forums. Unfortunately others don't share the same values.
Hey clown,
So it's ok for you to come in here and spam, yet you delete my posts in your thread
Fucking hypocrite, get out of here scum.
LOL reminds me of an old bash.org joke
#6068 +(2227)- [X]
<GaeMan> Chia: Be nice to CAgurl today.
<chirpet> I am always nice to CAgurl. I resent the implication.
<chirpet> I am nice to everyone.
<chirpet> Always.
<chirpet> So shut up.
<chirpet> pigfucker.
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Monero can be sybil attacked by something Monero fears the most - Boolberry (soon to be renamed from the gist of things).
Keep working on keeping BBR down lads. I implore Darkcoiners to make it their second coin of choice. It is at a great price point, is far superior to Monero who have nothing but gangstas posing for them and shilling non stop.
Spread the word.
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Why no Poloniex BBR/XMR (not that I want it)  Why no like BBR Is it kill BBR ??   |
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Yes they are a bunch of investors looking at the trend of last 2 weeks. Timing on Poloniex isn't conclusive of miners, the diff chart gives a better idea as shown above.
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The bad news is... the price of BBR is going to fall further.
The good news is... the price of BBR is going to fall further.
In my view there is a 'rogue miner' (I don't believe it's cbuchner1) mining a VERY large % of BBR and mass dumping them on Poloniex. You only have to look at the trading activity. Whoever the rogue miner is, is more interested in selling quickly than selling smart to maximise profitability IMO. As to their motives, I don't know and I don't care - the price is more than likely going to fall.
However the current price is in no way indicative of the value nor the interest in the coin. It's a rogue miner suppressing the price, with a splash of panic selling.
Weak Hands... will fold and move on... only to return with 'if only' stories once BBR rebounds.
Strong Hands... will buy whilst the prices are low, with a view to buying more if/ when the prices fall further. Equally Strong Hands will be prepared for no ROI within the next year or maybe two. Strong Hands will be investing with money they can afford to lose, thus will not be spooked into selling cheaply. Strong Hands will be equally prepared for price to go up once the rogue miner seizes dumping cheap coins (which will happen eventually), thus won't be caught out with no BBR and a buy order at 1 sat!
Dev - do not despair. Anyone with a brain cell, that does some research will see that Boolberry is one of, if not the, superior CN coins. The success of this coin is ultimately down to your perseverance and your excellent work. At this point, no CN coin can succeed without Boolberry succeeding. It's like Classical Music without Mozart, Rap without Jay-Z, Boob-jobs without Pamela Anderson... stick with it.
It could be and it is definitely not Christian, but someone who is very very stupid and nefarious. But my theory is it is not a miner but some who are just selling it off having bought much higher and do not have the patience. The amount of coins that have been dumped over the last few days are magnitudes of order higher than daily supply. Oh well, some new blood will get lucky at these prices. Christian still has a role to play and become part of the development of this coin. IMO Wolf0 is doing a fantastic job with his releases and so many others. |
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2. our coin was hurt much by cbuchner/pttx private GPU miner(now we have open source GPU, it was released just more than week ago)
how exactly did the open source GPU miner help the coin's valuation? right, it didn't. It didn't because of misinformation spread across the board that you have this magic miner and it is unfair for others to mine BBR, so it never got traction.  right, no traction at all. never. Christian When I mean traction, I mean in terms of the community coming together for development of the coin all around. From mining methods, to trading to generally creating awareness and adoption. That screenshot is proof of an artificial pump rather than the traction I am talking about. But I have a hunch you knew this. Still unsure why the hostility towards the very coin that has provided you with so much profits? Really puzzled honestly. |
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2. our coin was hurt much by cbuchner/pttx private GPU miner(now we have open source GPU, it was released just more than week ago)
how exactly did the open source GPU miner help the coin's valuation? right, it didn't. It didn't because of misinformation spread across the board that you have this magic miner and it is unfair for others to mine BBR, so it never got traction. Check Poloniex trollbox to see how much they just talk down BBR because of a "private miner". Now trollboxes are obviously not the place one needs to get legitimate info, but the coin would have done much better had you made the miner public, come out and helped users discuss BBR more in the forums etc. Your latest post shows you have no interest in helping this coin. Yet you claim you hold a large amount as a long term investment. It is quite unbelievable all around what has happened to this coin's valuation. Not that any of this is your responsibility though. It isn't your coin, and you owe the people trying to develop it nothing. You can and should do what you want and whatever makes you the most money.
How convenient for you to say this. Save your ensuing "it's a fact" drivel that would probably ensue. |
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I think it's worth differentiating "unfair" from "the @*ing dev cheated". I'm not entirely sure why I feel so strongly about this, but I do -- I think it's because it destroys any trust I'd have in the developers, and when you're dealing with *money*, it's important to have a dev team you can trust -- otherwise, what else did they hide in the code that you haven't had a chance to find yet?
I'm pretty convinced that neither the XMR or Boolberry devs cheated in this way. I'm also pretty convinced that the Bytecoin devs did: that code was so de-optimized it was a joke, and I think that all of us who touched it concur. But it's not the XMR team's fault that they inherited something sneaky in the code and acted to root it out. And the BBR initial implementation was pretty well optimized -- the things that otila and wolf did on top of it take work and are beyond what "the average developer skilled in the art" (but not interesting in to-the-metal optimization) should be expected to do.
Brilliant post mate. One of the better posts in this entire thread and there haven't been many despite the number of pages. I have reason to believe thankful_for_today mined most of the coins in the first week. Unless he comes here and chooses to post otherwise. That's all I have to say about that. But 100% true that tacotime and smooth had no unfair advantage via miner optimizations. Keep in mind, optimized test miners were available in #monero via Noodle if you were around. But like the name says, they were "test" versions eventually pushed to github for everyone's benefit like a true honest project should be. Christian not sharing his miner intentionally in BBR was worse than Bytecoin "minergate" or claymore fees. That just plain blows and it is not crypto. Christian, has been a disservice to BBR, but this is no reason to vilify BBR with a broad brush, unless it is used to paint XMR at the same time. Im going to dump all the boolberry I got(150,000)
Place a sell order on Poloniex. |
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Same rules apply to people bashing BBR. Tainting it because of christian developing a private miner?
I think they likely to be quite different. My last post estimated that roughly 2% of XMR coins were mined before the public miner was un-de-optimzied. What is corresponding percentage of BBR coins? Since the emission curve is reasonable I still don't think the number is that large (compared to absurdly instamined coins -- and shills for these coins on this thread you know who you are) but it still may be higher than XMR. Or perhaps not. I haven't really been following it so I don't know. I don't know either, smooth. I didn't take BBR seriously because of the name. Sounds silly, but I started noticing progress technically and sort of didn't care about the private miner. I think the advantage he had was long gone and glad to see GPU miner opencl developments. It is fun to see projects come along like that, just like Noodle and Wolf's work with XMR. I made a mistake of not taking LTC seriously back in the day because of private GPU miners. Not going to make the same mistake again and I know I am not the only one who conducted BBR valuation this way. |
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Are you kidding me? Ask eizh, tacotime and smooth to post here if they mined from launch or not.
You are nothing but a dumb cheerleader who has forced himself onto this coin as a "core" team member. You are not needed. This coin will be better off without dumb propagandists like you and it will really take off then.
You made the accusation, why don't you provide evidence to support your accusation? The rest of your diatribe is ridiculous vitriol that attempts to invent political issues where there are none, and speaks to events and people you do not know and thus cannot speak of. Ad hominem attacks on people you don't know have never worked in the history of the Internet, so I'm quite unsure why you imagine it's going to work now. Do you, inside your mind, think that when you post what you posted that people will come flocking out of the woodwork and go "you're right - that fluffypony is a dumb propagandist and needs to go!" Is that what you believe will happen? And now that I think about it - why hide behind a pseudonym that's barely a pun? What's the harm in using your own account? I'm done responding to you. This conversation ends now, from my side. I will provide proof. I want eizh, tacotime and smooth to lie first, which is basically what you are forcing them to do. Get off your high and mighty horse. I wouldn't be "conversing" with dumb propagandists to begin with if you hadn't invented the lie that "core" team members weren't mining from the beginning. There were more than 25 of us in the IRC chat from Day 1. You are the cancer of Monero. Don't drag others down to your level. You sound better in altcoin threads making a joke out of yourself getting into arguments with others when there is none needed. Edit: smooth wasn't in IRC on Day 1. eizh and tacotime were there. smooth was mining but offline in IRC and setting up OTC thread. Which one were you? Completely irrelevant. eizh, tacotime and smooth will not post that kind of lie here because they aren't liars like this propagandist. End of story. I just think that the crippled miner story that BBR is using against XMR to be bogus too. Yes maybe some folks from Bytecoin original team had optimized slow_hash (thankful_for_today surely must have) since it seemed like an inside joke. But it wasn't intentional on tacotime's part, he had not even taken over BMR by then. Come on, it was slowly tweaked as time went on. Everyone among the early miners were more or less on the same ground using the slow hash. Same rules apply to people bashing BBR. Tainting it because of christian developing a private miner? Completely unfair argument. I am glad he was dumping. Makes getting the coins so much easier. If there are any technical disadvantage, I hope we see that in the whitepaper review of BBR. |
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Are you kidding me? Ask eizh, tacotime and smooth to post here if they mined from launch or not.
You are nothing but a dumb cheerleader who has forced himself onto this coin as a "core" team member. You are not needed. This coin will be better off without dumb propagandists like you and it will really take off then.
You made the accusation, why don't you provide evidence to support your accusation? The rest of your diatribe is ridiculous vitriol that attempts to invent political issues where there are none, and speaks to events and people you do not know and thus cannot speak of. Ad hominem attacks on people you don't know have never worked in the history of the Internet, so I'm quite unsure why you imagine it's going to work now. Do you, inside your mind, think that when you post what you posted that people will come flocking out of the woodwork and go "you're right - that fluffypony is a dumb propagandist and needs to go!" Is that what you believe will happen? And now that I think about it - why hide behind a pseudonym that's barely a pun? What's the harm in using your own account? I'm done responding to you. This conversation ends now, from my side. I will provide proof. I want eizh, tacotime and smooth to lie first, which is basically what you are forcing them to do. Get off your high and mighty horse. I wouldn't be "conversing" with dumb propagandists to begin with if you hadn't invented the lie that "core" team members weren't mining from the beginning. There were more than 25 of us in the IRC chat from Day 1. You are the cancer of Monero. Don't drag others down to your level. You sound better in altcoin threads making a joke out of yourself getting into arguments with others when there is none needed. Edit: smooth wasn't in IRC on Day 1. eizh and tacotime were there. smooth was mining but offline in IRC and setting up OTC thread. |
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Consider that Monero was launched by thankful_for_today, and inherited the crippled hash function from Bytecoin. None of the 7 members of the Monero core team were involved in the launch, nor did any of us mine it right away.
You are misinformed. You and othe are not really "developers" anyways. You are more marketing and strategy and busy with propaganda. tacotime is the only real developer and quite frankly sad to see him now being involved with this. Check in BitMonero launch thread. eizh, tacotime, smooth were all there since Block1. Smooth was selling BMR since the beginning and had immenese mining power at his disposal. (Not dissing smooth. You guys keep spreading false propaganda and nowadays outright lies, knowingly or otherwise and dragging some others down with your shit). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.0We're not really developers? You know this how? Do you have our CVs lying around? You are not qualified to make the sweeping statements you've made, unless you can qualify it with some sort of tangible evidence. I never said that we didn't mine Monero at all, but your assertion that we had some sort of magically powerful miner is factually incorrect. Your assumption that smooth was mining Monero en masse is also incorrect. The general consensus among us in those very, very early days was that there was no reason for Monero to exist. Choice quotes from smooth, for instance: I'm starting to doubt there is really a good reason for this besides people wanting to pump and dump. The original is starting to get more and more traction in the community (beyond what may or may not exist on the darknet). It will be hard for a clone to overcome that lead. If anything I'd propose a bitcoin spin-off clone instead. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.0 eizh, too, also didn't think much of Monero at launch: I've been mining BCN and I'll support it just because I firmly believe in the need for anonymity, but there would be a tinge of regret that we could've had something better.
That their opinion changed later as the truth of Bytecoin's premine was revealed and Monero progressed only goes to prove that it moved in the right direction. You are a troll account with a troll nickname spreading troll nonsense with no evidence. PS. At least eizh doesn't have that tinge of regret right about now:) Are you kidding me? Ask eizh, tacotime and smooth to post here if they mined from launch or not. You are nothing but a dumb cheerleader who has forced himself onto this coin as a "core" team member. You are not needed. This coin will be better off without dumb propagandists like you and it will really take off then. |
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Consider that Monero was launched by thankful_for_today, and inherited the crippled hash function from Bytecoin. None of the 7 members of the Monero core team were involved in the launch, nor did any of us mine it right away.
You are misinformed. You and othe are not really "developers" anyways. You are more marketing and strategy and busy with propaganda. tacotime is the only real developer and quite frankly sad to see him now being involved with this. Check in BitMonero launch thread. eizh, tacotime, smooth were all there since Block1. Smooth was selling BMR since the beginning and had immenese mining power at his disposal. (Not dissing smooth. You guys keep spreading false propaganda and nowadays outright lies, knowingly or otherwise and dragging some others down with your shit). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.0 |
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Same thing happened with Boolberry where a guy who has been writing miners for several different algos for years came up with his own GPU miner and used his farms to mine and dump. Like ArtForz back in LTC days. Some clowns who have no knowledge of how to do this will vilify an entire coin because of this instead of coming and contributing to open source opencl mods like Wolf and sbk et al are doing.
These same clowns have no problem that botnet ops are the major mining power behind Monero and say we don't care about the source of mining, we just buy it in the market.
Much hypocrisy. Such Conniving. Very Antagonistic. WOW
Market has far from spoken about the CN coins future. I believe a Boolberry whitepaper is in works and waiting to be reviewed by cryptographers. Technically BBR is ahead of XMR is various aspects but they are not being shoved to users like typical altcoin strategy and I support this approach. XMR has the advantage of being the first launch (discounting Bytecoin completely), so some of the community members jumped on it first. Had zoidberg launched Boolberry first, these same guys would have been touting the technical advantages of BBR. Buy and hold both and don't get swayed by individuals pushing anything on you here.
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Links, please.
No, Thank You. |
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Anyone care to review KeyCoin ?? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695457.0Only 1,000,000 coins POS 22 member Dev Team See Dan MetCalf's comments viz a viz KeyCoin's autonomous solution ( Which is fully functional atm ) Lots of cheerleaders as the price runup has been substantial in the past week .. Just interested in opinions if there is anything there or just a well orchestrated P&D .. See the OP and posts #1664 and #1795 for the main features .. Triff .. I'd be worried of this novacoin(?) fork: https://bitbucket.org/keycoin/keycoin/commits/all4 commits for a readme 2 for dns 2 for fork All within the first two days of launch, nothing since then. 1 branch, 1 watcher .. yet 22(?) people on the team. Do they only have one or two coders? It's been two busy weeks now, surely a few of them could have at least followed it? I wonder if this anonymous checkmark thing they talk about for sending anon tx's is literally just something to click? Perfectly orchestrated Pump and Dump via feedback from shady developers who deleted their own altcoin github sources back in the day (XC). Another developer from XC was pumping Cachecoin a few weeks ago. This whole scene thing with "XC" wreaks of manipulation, malice and heck of lot of red-tape and corruption. Apparently the premine was used to "hire" other people in the team, who were later announced on a day where they did another pump and dump as the announcements came in of some guys who said they will integrate this altcoin in ATM. You can also see some BTC-E trolls pumping KeyCoin at the moment. Same familiar faces. Everyone knows this too, they are just in it for doubling/tripling their BTC holdings and leave a lot of new forum members/crypto newbies bagholding who will inadvertently later on create threads about how awesome KeyCoin is and pollute other coin threads with their incessant shilling, while the puppet/pump masters are gone and onto the next anon coin. Same story over and over. I think XC is the first such coin, along a now growing list of anon wannabe coins. |
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XMR doesn't bring anything to the table over BBR
Actually, it brings the one and only thing that currency is for: Liquidity. Last time I checked, the only thing I could purchase with XMR was the integrity of individuals on boards, forums and exchange trollboxes. Unless you are also counting extracting bitcoins from castle-eyed brainwashed daydreamers as liquidity too. Yes it currently has "liquidity" advantages over BBR. |
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Guys I am impartial because I want to compete against both Monero and Boolberry. You are anything but impartial. Your credibility took a big hit today due to the posts in the last 3 pages. To an outsider, you clearly have jaundiced views. If dga is a dev, you need to reign him in— his demeanor reflects badly on Monero. Surea ......... 3. The marketing of Boolberry makes grander claims than Monero without sufficiently grander whitepaper to back them up with analysis. I naturally shy away from efforts that overstate and underdeliver. Yes BBR needs some BTC sugar daddies. Zoidberg, but please do publish something. 4. My cursory impression is it appears that Boolberry is not garnishing the same level of professionalism in the community and focus. My cursory impression is Zoidberg needs to be able to convince someone of smooth's caliber to lead the public side of Boolberry's face and also organize about adding developers, e.g. cryptanalysis of the PoW, etc.. True. Note the bitmonero launch was horrible. So they've come a long way in a short time. Boolberry could too if Zoidberg is serious about delegation. BBR faces constant attacks by blind cheerleaders who have bought into hype and will stand by it regardless of what is happening in front of them. That is a difficult hole for most people to climb out of. @Zoidberg Perhaps the CN team can help you with personnel. Please reach out to them. You are on the right track and team augmentation is a must. Also Boolberry is a great name. If you do think about rebranding, keep the bool part please. |
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