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101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 21, 2017, 05:27:32 AM
what's rmb?
102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 21, 2017, 12:59:44 AM
pallas: if I want to build & maintain a full snapshot, I need to add the -txinfo parameter to the wallet, correct?

I just noticed that my windows wallet seems to have pruned the full snapshot I once started off. At least the appdata directory only shows a couple 100 meg.

-> How do I make sure a wallet keeps a full blockchain? because -txinfo doesn't seem to change anything.
103  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 20, 2017, 08:24:55 PM
about hype: Yes the price jump is really fast BUT I think this is far from the end for XCN. The simple reason is: xcn is real innovation and the only coin that actually goes towards a scalable, usable fiat money replacement. So I expect this to go a lot higher - long term.
But it seems all crypto coins are experiencing a similar thing right now. Look at BTC ... Some big money must have discovered this as a playground.

about the rewards:
My opinion is to pay in xcn unadjusted - get stuff done. OR maybe split up the money now - once with a community poll. But don't readjust it every time the price changes.
104  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 20, 2017, 12:28:48 PM

Current open bounties:


Any rules on this? Or first come first served?

If anyone knows a solution how to get a deposit address on btc38, I guess I'll stick to that.
Anyone?

You just need to wait, they are fixing their wallet again.

Try this, it simply works:

https://bx.in.th/BTC/XCN/

Any rules on this? Or first come first served?

pallas?

Hmkay, thanks for the hint.
I guess I will have to wait then. Interestingly, BTC deposit address creation doesn't work either  Roll Eyes
105  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 20, 2017, 11:02:07 AM
I've always been interested in openCL. But no time Smiley

About exchanges:
I just tested btc38 - generates no deposit address. Loading ... AND it doesn't support ssl. Ridiculous.
Also signed up on bter - they REALLY want me to send them a photo of me with my passport?!?! crazy!

So .. these are the only available options at the moment, hm?
I find it interesting that the exchanges try to get their hands on my actual personal information (FB/passport). So much about crypto currency anonymity. Also interesting that a facebook account seems to have the same validity as a passport - at least in china.

If anyone knows a solution how to get a deposit address on btc38, I guess I'll stick to that.
Anyone?
106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 20, 2017, 06:39:22 AM
well if that's the only way to reliably trade xcn, that deserves a dedicated FB account I guess.
107  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 20, 2017, 05:07:33 AM
so which exchange would you guys recommend to use if I was to start some trading?
I haven't traded any crypto coins ever in my live. Only been doing some mining here and there.

Which is easiest to get signed up for and to get coins in&out?

I use BTC38 and it's working fine for me.  And look at XCN volume there! Shocked

Thanks, signing up Smiley

wtf, I need facebook to sign into btc38? What if I don't use FB?
108  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 20, 2017, 01:49:59 AM
so which exchange would you guys recommend to use if I was to start some trading?
I haven't traded any crypto coins ever in my live. Only been doing some mining here and there.

Which is easiest to get signed up for and to get coins in&out?
109  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 20, 2017, 12:25:00 AM
oh my god guys, what's going on with the price???

0.081 USD??
https://www.cryptonator.com/rates/XCN-USD/

Crazy!!  Shocked Shocked Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 18, 2017, 01:24:52 AM
Hm, I'd try an FPGA first. If that works, so does an asic.
111  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 17, 2017, 10:37:15 PM
According to the wiki, this is the algorithm:
SHA-256(SHA-256(h)*SHA-512(h)*Keccak(h)*Ripemd(h)*Haval(h)*Tiger(h)*Whirlpool(h))

You can look up each single component and find out more about it online. The fact that it's running well on GPUs tells me that it scales well with parallelism.
112  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Account_tree_pruning on: June 17, 2017, 09:54:50 PM
Quick question for everybody: Account tree pruning.

http://cryptonite.info/wiki/index.php?title=Account_tree_pruning

Cryptonite does NOT make use of that technique yet - I think it would be a very good idea though. But implementing it sounds like something causing a hard-fork.
What do you guys think about this? IF we were to implement it, I'd rather do it sooner than later ...

My opinion about pruning: I think it's great. Should be just a small fraction of a percent but >0. So that it's neglegible for everyday use but over time clears up the account DB.

And re: Block explorer
Do we have control over the cryptonite.info domain by now? I'd like to reactivate the original explorer.cryptonite.info - e.g. by pointing it to the current explorer or hosting a copy on the original webspace. Whatever works best. Because I feel it's time now to have everything look more official -> use official names&domains.
113  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 12, 2017, 06:15:29 AM
@gnasirator: your ideas are interesting, but to create a block you will still need to solve some kind of "problem", otherwise you would have a lot of blocks created together and no way to tell which one to keep. Also every time a transaction is made, the nodes would generate a block, making too many of them.

Interesting ideas indeed, but wrong solution to the problems, which are, as Gnasirator says:

1  Energy consumption
2  Poor distribution

The best solution which I have discovered so far appears to  be Proof of Capacity, as implemented in Burstcoin.

I'd be genuinely interested to know what you think of that protocol, and whether or not it may be technically feasible to incorporate it into a mini-blockchain coin.  

Hmm, PoC is interesting, too. But it fails to address the problem I'm trying to solve:
Whatever scarce resource we take for mining, sooner or later there will be one entity having most of it and therefore dominating the whole mining scene. PoC will lead to someone having MASSIVE datacenters full of old-fashioned mechanical hard drives - well at least it wouldn't use as much energy as PoW.
PoS is the same - whoever has the biggest share of money at one point generates most income. It's actually even worse because the rewards are completely independent of any contribution to the network (transaction processing).

My point was that instead of searching for a better scarce resource, we should take the incentive away which is leading to this concentration of resources in the first place, by changing the reward system. As long as there are rewards encouraging people to somehow get more of a share than others, there will be someone figuring out a way how to do it.

So instead, the new reward system would have to pay all participants in a predictable way based on useful contribution to the network. And the only actually useful contribution to the network is processing of new transactions, managing account databases and maybe acting as a block explorer - all of which doesn't use much resources at all. That's what it's about and that's what should be rewarded. So whoever helps with that processing, gets a reward proportional to created value in the network. And that proportion could just as well be the same number as every other participant gets, because just by being online and forwarding/processing transactions, he's helping the network.
This way, there will be no incentive for anyone to throw more resources into the game because there's nothing to gain for him - just as there wouldn't be any benefit for the network! Still, he would have an incentive to stay online and contribute because otherwise, he'll get nothing. This sort of mining should easily run in the background, using 1-2% of cpu time max. Same goes for network usage because there would suddenly be a lot more miners as there are now, simply because it has suddenly become cheap to run a miner. This would allow the network to grow and make the coin actually useable as real money.

I'm convinced that whichever coin ends up being "the one coin" for everybody to use, it would have to use a mining approach that somewhat resembles these ideas.

There is one downside to this approach though:
It wouldn't be possible any more to jump at a fresh alt coin and generate some quick buck with your high-spec mining gear. But for that, we have plenty of regular coins out there Smiley

edit: I might add that a hybrid PoS / Proof-of-Contribution (above) might also be good. I do like the idea of stakeholders being vested in the currency and therefore trying to keep harm from the system.
114  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: June 11, 2017, 01:11:45 AM
@gnasirator: your ideas are interesting, but to create a block you will still need to solve some kind of "problem", otherwise you would have a lot of blocks created together and no way to tell which one to keep. Also every time a transaction is made, the nodes would generate a block, making too many of them.

yeah well, the concept is still in its drafting phase. I'm open for suggestions Smiley
How about the mining concept itself stays the way it is - still doing its lottery thing. But with block rewards based on found transactions, there would be no incentive to increase my hashrate. On the contrary, everybody would try to keep his hash rate at the minimum so that he would still be taking part in the mining process but use as little resources as possible for it. That means, projecting it to the extreme, every node would do a single hash per change in the building of its block per round. That would be quite economical, solve the consensus finding AND save resources.
The difficulty would auto-adjust by not going up but going down as much as necessary so that there's still one block per minute found.
115  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Further innovation for XCN on: June 10, 2017, 03:26:20 AM
Hey folks, I'd like to share some thoughts with you and get an opinion about them.

So far, we have established that XCN is a highly innovative coin because it introduces the prune-able mini-blockchain and the accounts DB.
Therefore, for the first time in history it is now possible to keep the required amount of data for a scalable crypto-currency proportional to its actual usage, preventing unlimited growth of the blockchain to all eternity.
That's good!

What is still not-so-good is the fact that even XCN still relies on mining - a wasteful game of high-speed lottery. There are some promising approaches out there to improve this concept:
1. make computers do useful stuff instead (Ethereum) and create a big cloud-based supercomputer. Great. But as a result the primary focus of the coin has shifted away from the use as a currency towards the application and payment system of that super computer. And what we're actually all looking for is THAT new, perfect and stable money we can use all over the world.
2. Replace mining's proof-of-work by a proof-of-stake algorithm. Which is nothing else than paying interest based on account balance.

Both approaches have one common disadvantage: They lead to money concentration, just like bitcoin does as well. After enough time there will be only a few, rich and powerful people left who control the whole ecosystem. Just as we experience in the "real world" with FIAT money.

I would like to see a new coin, one that is actually USABLE as money and long-term stable because it's systematically built to be long-term stable. And here's where XCN is a great technological foundation because at least data-wise, it already is long-term stable and scalable. The only thing left to solve would be mining / transaction processing. I like the idea of paying participating nodes for processing transactions. That's just fair and is an intrinsic motivation to participate and keep the network alive. But instead of raw hashing power, what we ACTUALLY need for this is good network connectivity. Because the core action of validating a transaction doesn't require much processing power at all.
How about we build a mining algorithm that rewards nodes for "discovering" a new transaction and forwarding it to the other peers.

Let me explain:
Let's say computer A wants to send money to computer B. This new transaction now needs to be processed in the network. Computer C is the first direct link to computer A. That means C "discovers" the new transaction and forwards it to its peers. These peers are D, E, F. They all are now confirming and signing that transaction themselves and forwarding it until at the end of the round, the complete network knows about it and forges a new block for the blockchain together.
The rewards are now distributed as follows:
Computers A and B both PAY a transaction fee which they can set as they like, just like with bitcoin. The higher the fee, the more likely it is for that transaction to be included in the next block because of course the block size is limited and every other peer in the network wants to fill the new block with the most valuable transactions.
So Computer C suggests it to be in that new block and signs it as the first. Next ones are D, E and F, also all signing the signature of C. Therefore, they are now "tier 2" signers which entitles them to a smaller share of the reward. And so on, until the complete network has signed the transaction as is creating the new block.

This way, the incentive would suddenly be to place your mining rig in a remote location of the world to create good, reliable network coverage (to be able to receive and sign as many transactions as possible AND to be the first one to sign them) while rewarding everybody evenly without the need for expensive mining rigs and high power bills. In the beginning, the rewards would be mined, just as with bitcoin and later on the transaction fees would take over.
With this approach, every wallet out there could also be a miner at the same time, simply because it doesn't cost any resources, except for a little network traffic - which is the ACTUALLY valuable resource on the internet. We would have to solve issues like one node running multiple wallets at the same time to increase its income unproportionally. But that's easy as it could all be e.g. IP address based (the only other actually scarce resource on the internet: unique addresses).

and for money concentration: We should also look into some concepts of encouraging spending the money, like continuous deprivation for example. All goods loose value over time - it would only make sense for money to do the same. How much is for us all to decide - I'm feeling it shouldn't be too much. But it should be noticeable over ~5 years. This would have many advantages, of which one is that "lost" wallets would over time be emptied and the money is fed back into the ecosystem (and can also be used to pay mining!).

This, together with the mini-blockchain would be what I imagine to be the first, actually usable new money out there.

All of this is only some rough ideas I had during a long drive through the countryside recently and the details still need to be sussed out. But what do you guys think?
At least for me, personally, the whole cryptocoin movement is a quest for finding the perfect money of the future and therefore I think we need to focus on developing it systematically right - altough I don't mind making some profit from mining other alt-coins along the way Smiley
116  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin | BOUNTIES! on: May 31, 2017, 09:59:47 AM
Some people is worried about the btc38 cold wallet reporting too many coins, compared to the total supply.
It can be a bug of the explorer: we had to modify it to allow working with an incomplete blockchain (we didn't have the full one, back then); it is possible that it's missing some transactions.
I will look into it ASAP.

Let me know when you need access to the explorer.
117  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin on: May 06, 2017, 05:35:11 AM
voted
118  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin on: May 03, 2017, 08:16:39 PM
I hope XCN block browser can increase the TOP100 wealth list, like BTC, you can see large property transactions.


Is there a top100 wealth list?
119  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin on: May 01, 2017, 11:49:34 AM
thanks, updated. explorer should be back soon.

ok, it's back. good night Smiley
120  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite - NEW Thread! | 1st mini-blockchain coin on: May 01, 2017, 07:58:21 AM
@gnasirator: I've seen it a couple times too.
it may have been fixed in the last commit.

oh sweet, could you upload your current binary somewhere?
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