using 10 BTC as an investment volume (a number easy to multiply all values by) what is the realistic expectation of the rate of return on this gig and over what period of time? no hype merchants please.
I'd use this list for predictions: Ripple - Over 30M USD from VC's - 676,227 BTC market cap Ethereum - 31,531 BTC from presale - 2,462,284 BTC market cap MaidSafe - around 12,200 in BTC from presale - 104,696 BTC market cap Stellar - 3M USD from Stripe - 27,803 BTC market cap Bitshares - 500,000 USD from investors + 5625 BTC in donations (via BTS AGS) - 38,981 BTC market cap Lisk - around 5100 BTC and 64M XCR from presale. 4 and a half days to go. Factom - 2287 BTC from presale - 43,194 BTC BTC I don't see Lisk market cap lower than 15,000-30,000 BTC. I strongly believe it's going to be somewhere between 50,000-100,000 BTC by the end of Summer. And I hope to see it over 500,000 BTC by the end of 2016. To give you a better breakdown, I converted everything into BTC and then determined the % increase from the ICO to current Market Cap figures (with the exception of Lisk since we don't know yet). Ripple: 72,289 BTC - 676,227 BTC Market Cap- 835% increase Ethereum: 31,531 BTC - 2,462,284 BTC Market Cap - 7709% increase Maidsafe: 12,200 BTC - 104,696 BTC Market Cap - 758% increase Stellar: 7,228 BTC - 27,803 BTC Market Cap - 284% increase Bitshares: 6829 BTC - 38,981 BTC Market Cap - 470% increase Factom: 2287 BTC - 43,194 BTC Market Cap - 1788% increase They grow because they have the capital to hire people and work full time on this. Usually, when it's people working on a project which they are not receiving income the progress tends to be slow. But not with these kind of funds, progress should be fast, and updates should come weekly if not bi-weekly. thanks for the numbers. |
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looks like that was the blow-off top in ether fart gas.
Prep yourselves for the years of the long bear markets ether luvvers ... or sell now and buy back at fiddy cents in 18 months or so ...?
Waiting for cheap coins to get in is futile... better buy now or miss out and cry for the rest of your life  Ether is treading water at .031 while bag holders make up their minds what they are going to do. Smart traders bought in January when the uptrend established and got out at the double top on 3/14. The proper time to buy again is not now, but when/if Ether breaks out above .037 on strong volume and an uptrend establishes again. There may be more money to be made, maybe not. Ether may well be just another PnD the jury is still out. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. I think the price can definitely correct a little but it can also continue its uptrend to $20. Bitcoin is going nowhere anytime soon and ETH is based on hype (that we can agree on). Every other day there are news that pump the price even higher. In the next days there could be Circle, Xapo, Coinbase looking to add Ethereum and the price can skyrocket to $25 or more. Remember when crossing $10 was crazy? I will try to buy as low as possible with my BTC (that can be worth half in the next months in my opinion...no way it will reach $500 or more...it's done for). If Ethereum goes back to sub $10 or sub $5 ever again it will be a great chance for many of us to get a whole lot of it...100, 1000, whatever. I'm only hoping to get some crash dumps but sometimes you just need to buy some dips to not lose the train. the best thing would be for people to stop talking about Ethereum for a while and let the dev team get on with developing. You mean they can't work unless we stop talking about it? From what I see Ethereum devs are always working and have a very clear plan ahead of them. that the hype machine can work for and against a project. expectations can get out of sync with the reality of how long it takes to get things done. |
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looks like that was the blow-off top in ether fart gas.
Prep yourselves for the years of the long bear markets ether luvvers ... or sell now and buy back at fiddy cents in 18 months or so ...?
Waiting for cheap coins to get in is futile... better buy now or miss out and cry for the rest of your life Ether is treading water at .031 while bag holders make up their minds what they are going to do. Smart traders bought in January when the uptrend established and got out at the double top on 3/14. The proper time to buy again is not now, but when/if Ether breaks out above .037 on strong volume and an uptrend establishes again. There may be more money to be made, maybe not. Ether may well be just another PnD the jury is still out. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. I think the price can definitely correct a little but it can also continue its uptrend to $20. Bitcoin is going nowhere anytime soon and ETH is based on hype (that we can agree on). Every other day there are news that pump the price even higher. In the next days there could be Circle, Xapo, Coinbase looking to add Ethereum and the price can skyrocket to $25 or more. Remember when crossing $10 was crazy? I will try to buy as low as possible with my BTC (that can be worth half in the next months in my opinion...no way it will reach $500 or more...it's done for). If Ethereum goes back to sub $10 or sub $5 ever again it will be a great chance for many of us to get a whole lot of it...100, 1000, whatever. I'm only hoping to get some crash dumps but sometimes you just need to buy some dips to not lose the train. the best thing would be for people to stop talking about Ethereum for a while and let the dev team get on with developing. |
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...and how many Lisks is it for 1 BTC at the moment?
14k? Probably end up 10k when all ended an unreasonable rate of dilution :-) so there's no hard ceiling? |
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...and how many Lisks is it for 1 BTC at the moment?
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using 10 BTC as an investment volume (a number easy to multiply all values by) what is the realistic expectation of the rate of return on this gig and over what period of time? no hype merchants please.
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Unless you are acting selflessly, the Azure Microsoft announcement is not a good news for investors during the ICO. Bad timing but it certainly has a positive side nevertheless.
Azure Microsoft announcement is not a good news it is a great news. Without all that hype there were only some forum small fishes looking for a quick x2-x3 return. And nobody from them have any impact on a crypto world. They'd sell quick and sell low. That was the future of Lisk. But with this hype we have lots of very serious people invested in Lisk. It means that they're in Lisk for a loooong time, most likely for years. It means that we will see high trading volume, regular news reports in major media, dapp developersm buy walls etc. etc. Influential people will be pushing Lisk towards to multiply their investments. "...very serious people invested in Lisk." source? Where do you think those hundreds of btc come from? Most forum members invest 0.1-1.5 btc. Take a look at IOTA investments https://blockchain.info/address/1G8hh3bHMMhZSATwisBVbGFSYBKK3Suib8?offset=300&filter=0There are certainly some big guys in Lisk. Most likely including Coindesk, Coinbase, Microsoft etc. "Most likely..." - meaningless. |
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what happens to the project if BTC's price tanks during the development of Lisk?
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Unless you are acting selflessly, the Azure Microsoft announcement is not a good news for investors during the ICO. Bad timing but it certainly has a positive side nevertheless.
Azure Microsoft announcement is not a good news it is a great news. Without all that hype there were only some forum small fishes looking for a quick x2-x3 return. And nobody from them have any impact on a crypto world. They'd sell quick and sell low. That was the future of Lisk. But with this hype we have lots of very serious people invested in Lisk. It means that they're in Lisk for a loooong time, most likely for years. It means that we will see high trading volume, regular news reports in major media, dapp developersm buy walls etc. etc. Influential people will be pushing Lisk towards to multiply their investments. "...very serious people invested in Lisk." source? |
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You can't talk about a "success" of the team when the project is just started and brings almost nothing for the moment ! Come on, be serious. The motivational concept doesn't works if they already have a huge rewards at the start, just before realizing the project ! Rewards should be earned AFTER realizing something great. With that unexpected ICO raised money amount (according to Lisk team), maybe the two members of the team could reduce their personal rewards of 8% of all Lisk ? I believe in this project in long term run and I bought a lot of Lisk, but i think a such amount of Lisk (and its current dollar value) hold by two persons is unnecessary and should be reduced in favor of all investors who have taken risks in that ICO. Just an idea, no offense  Let me get this straight. The more successful the management team is, the more you want to reduce their reward. Interesting motivational concept. One thing that worries me is this. With all the money raise we all get less coins which means the coins will have to be worth more after launch to get our money back. there fore the more people join then the bigger chance of lots of bag holders? Is this a valid concern or am I just raising FUD?
My coins are disappearing and I am crying daily. Each blow takes away a part of my soul and dreams.
This is not FUD and I am crying right there with you. My beloved grandfather told me once "Sometimes you just gotta grunt <in pain>" it does seem a lisky investment. i doubt many Japanese will be interested. |
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more stats,lol
btce bitcoin buy support Total: 4943328.22 USD (i think lowest since nov2015)
polo ETH buy support 14k btc worth almost $6mill buy support
troll box speed on btce is slow as when btc was worth under $10 and you could leave a sentence there for hours until someone else typed another sentence after you.
polo troll box is like btcetrollbox2013 buzzin,like their on eth,lol scrolls so fast you cant read anything,lol
ETH will overtake btc and ETH dapp tokens will over take btc alts...im hearing REP is now at $13!
REP is 16$ 😳😳 woot, nice, lol, i dont have any, lol i didnt follow the project as much as i should have. Might get some when they appear on exchanges. im more of a slockit ,plutus kinda guy lol, defo gona get them asaic wow how do you sell and buy augur rep now ? do those buy from ipo get their token already ? gatecoin, reddit..... |
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I'd like to see what the Devs are planning to use the funds for. What does the community think the top priorities are, in regards to how to spend the funds from this ico?
I'm sure they are working on the document. They still need to know what total they will get at the end of the ICO to do a comprehensive breakdown. Patience, I doubt they spend it on cocaine and hookers....right away. David Heinemeier Hansson: "strippers and steaks" |
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how many btc did they get until now?
We are currently at 4950 BTC and we will go over 5000+ BTC very soon. I mean, everyone can see his share percentage shrinking hourly...
Not just hourly, it getting to be "by the minute". 230+ BTC donated in past 32 minutes. I am not posting "milestones" anymore and my use of color caps is over. Everybody just stay very very quiet and maybe these killer whales will just... go.... away. 111 hours to go. "We" - you are a member of the Lisk team? |
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LISK LAWYER: WHICH IS THE LAWYER STUDIO WHERE HE WORKS? WHERE IS THE LEGAL CERTIFICATION ABOUT IT'S JOB?
That might actually be helpful to see.
@captainvest nice and patiently anwsers, if someone is really wants to hear it ;-) To support your anwsers, there is a official German register of lawyers. They check if you can work as a lawyer (Exams, insurance and further stuff) http://www.rechtsanwaltsregister.org/Default.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1beside this, here is my linkedin profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/ahellinger. There you could find out, in which universities studied and some other "glues" to my 3 Exams (2 law, 1 taxes). And btw., I met Max in person. i have a personal friend, a German, a lawyer, who works in Frankfurt am, and verifying this information will not be difficult. |
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are the BTC being held in multi signature escrow?
Yes. Do you guys want another proof video of the ICO funds today? The amount doubled since the last time so I understand it if you want to see it. No. Just be transparent and show us how Lisk is going to use and allocate it, when its appropriate. We will. and they are independent (of each other) multi signature parties? located in Germany? incorporated? known and respected in the space? what are the safeguard protocols? |
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Do you guys want another proof video of the ICO funds today? The amount doubled since the last time so I understand it if you want to see it.
Can we start a moderated thread and get this bellend removed from BCT...
I can understand you. However, we felt an unmoderated thread is the right thing to do. There is enough censorship in the world already. Please head to our Lisk Chat or Lisk Forum to prevent annoying users. Else you can always just use the ignore function of this forum to hide their posts. are the BTC being held in multi signature escrow? |
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which exchanges are most likely to list first, and when?
or, will coin first be offered for sale via Reddit listings?
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like PRISM, this coin's website domain name registrant is hidden behind WHOISGUARD INC. in Panama.
Why the need to do this?
I think Namecheap has a free whois protection service. If I register a domain, I also take advantage of it. At least it protects against spam, fraudster, phishing, etc. I don't see where the problem is. the incorporated entity identity and its postal address should be published. that would not weaken protection against spam, phishing, et.c. it's an act of good faith. Yes, I just got my office 2 weeks ago and the domain was registered in January. As you can see above there are always some people who just want to damage good effort, and who knows what they might do in the future. Therefore, we hid our private addresses in the domain. We are in the process to incorporate Lisk as a non-profit company (fingers crossed it will be acknowledged). As soon as this is done we will insert the correct address in the domain registrar. ideally the corporate and legal identity and structure and status ought to be in place and published before an ICO goes ahead. thanks for replying. |
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@bitbitch WHOISGUARD offers a good protection against DNS attacks, spam, phishing and more.
Nothing strage there.
so simply publish the basic registrant details here. that will not compromise DNS, phishing, and more protection. what is the corporate entity identity and its postal address? Oh no? really lol it could only be a positive move, an act of good faith. i would want to see this disclosure for any coin. this is not an attack on PRISM. this is a point about basic protocols for any ICO. |
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like PRISM, this coin's website domain name registrant is hidden behind WHOISGUARD INC. in Panama.
Why the need to do this?
I think Namecheap has a free whois protection service. If I register a domain, I also take advantage of it. At least it protects against spam, fraudster, phishing, etc. I don't see where the problem is. the incorporated entity identity and its postal address should be published. that would not weaken protection against spam, phishing, et.c. it's an act of good faith. the whole ICO process needs to be a little more transparent. not just for Lisk, but for any and all new coins. some basic protocols would help to separate the good from the not so good actors in the space. |
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