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1021  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Another question? Tell me your average amount per bet and your monthly income? on: February 02, 2024, 07:21:53 PM
Disclosing one's monthly earnings here I don't think is a good gesture and that's why I'm not gonna be part of people that are going to do that but talking about my monthly limits in terms of betting, I don't regularly bet and that's why I don't have a specific betting limit but the highest I've reached was during the time I was addicted gambling which was long time ago and it wasn't above $150 as of then.
It's okay if we share stories related to the monthly salary we get because this thread is just like place to share experiences, it not meant to brag, but if you really can't tell it, you can just say half of your income.
but I respect what you say because everyone has different thoughts so I understand if you dont want to say it.

regarding your total maximum limit of $150 but for me that is quite large amount if you are betting and would not recommend it to anyone.
and I'm sure that even though in the past you had  serious problem with gambling, I'm sure it was an experience that made you healthy gambler.
1022  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling addiction does more harm than mere financial loss on: February 02, 2024, 06:41:30 PM
from everything you mentioned, I have experienced it except violence.
even though I used to be a bad addict, I only experienced declining health and bad responsibilities, but I have never experienced violence against my family or other people. It's just that when I get emotional, I prefer to stay in the room and drink alcohol as an outlet emotions after regret.
every gambling addict may have their own characteristics and for gambling addicts who commit violence when they vent their emotions on their family or other people, I'm sure they have a violent nature, even without being a gambling addict, they will also occasionally commit violence when they are angry.

this is all about the bad effects of gambling because behind the fun of gambling there are many bad effects that affect a person's life and even destroy a person's future, so threads like this always remind us all of the dangers of gambling addiction and before becoming a gambling addict, we have to know what it is. things to pay attention to and what to avoid when betting so that we stay away from addiction.
1023  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Proverbs and Sayings that Act as Triggers to Gambling on: February 02, 2024, 06:09:45 PM
it all depends on how we think about how to interpret words of wisdom or quotes like that and I think quotes like that are aimed at everyday life, not for gambling as I once said in another thread "big luck is only for those who are willing to take big risks "
this means that anyone will never be able to get lucky if they don't do anything, such as working hard or building a business to make a profit, because usually someone is afraid to take risks when they want to build a business.
and from the Chinese proverb that you said, I think that if someone doesn't make any effort in the business sector, they will definitely never know how successful they will be in the future.

well, this is all just about how we interpret these words of wisdom, but if someone can't think critically, they will just judge instantly and do what the saying says, but if someone has a critical mind, they will usually read and interpret the things they say. being logical in real life does not mean that gambling is risky for anyone.
maybe wise words like this usually influence beginner gamblers more because they still have big ambitions to get big wins and the existence of this saying is like giving support to beginner gamblers to continue betting.
1024  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Rigging in sports:My Personal Perspective and discussion finding sus. sports on: February 02, 2024, 05:17:03 PM
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Since you mentioned that you have been sports betting for long, I'm sure you do your fair share of research trying to win your bets. My post was inspired by another thread here, where some unsuspecting bettor had bet on some sport that doesn't even exist. Which got me thinking about all the dodgy leagues that exist solely for betting purposes and are sponsored by bookmakers which direct the players on what course of actions to take in such a way that the bookmaker makes the most profit out of it. In that process, some people will win their bets but most will lose. My OP is just a caution into the wind that rigging could happen even in mainstream sports. So, you gotta be extra cautious if possible and not make significant bets on events that could be potentially rigged.
IMO, doing research before each bet will not provide a guarantee of winning the match, it can only increase the chances of winning that we will get and the odds given by the bookmaker will not guarantee that we will always win, even if it is small odds look convincing, sometimes small odds lead us astray.
I remember there was a thread talking about a bettor betting on the NFL throwing away $1.4 million worth of bets to bet at odds less than @1.01 and perhaps that bettor foolishly believed in the low odds just to get a small win but didn't see how big it was the risk he is taking, and I agree with what you said that don't bet too big because we don't know what is planned behind the scenes.
In the case of bettors who lose big, I don't think it's rigged, but for me there are indications that it could be rigged when the opposing team makes a surprising comeback.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5435885.msg61615047#msg61615047]

maybe the story I am telling can be an example and we still have to be careful, don't trust too much in low odds or big odds, but still do strict research to avoid surprises like that.
1025  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: World female football. on: February 02, 2024, 04:49:26 PM
women's football here does not have much interest and the average bettor here chooses to bet on men's football.
I don't know why most people prefer to bet on football played by men, but in my opinion it's all because not only as a bettor but also as a supporter of a popular team in a league, men's football is more popular here.
but actually as a pure bettor they will bet on any match.
If you really want to create a thread to discuss women's football, you can do it, even though there has been a previous thread, but I see the thread is very quiet and there is no interest from bettors in discussing the match.
1026  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: February 02, 2024, 04:22:54 PM
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Your understanding shows that gambling is a stepping stone to a better profession. Influencers in gambling are pioneers of a new frontier where tales and experiences matter more than bets. This move from gambling to entertainment and community building shows how internet involvement is changing. What a wonderful time to be alive and gambling.
well, that's what I mean if gambling is just like a side income but not from betting but through other means such as becoming an influencer or becoming streamer to be able to get other income besides your main job.
as long we have skills related to gambling, we can use gambling as stepping stone to career and make money as you said.
In the development of advanced technology like this, we really have to be smarter in taking advantage of opportunities to make money, while the development of online gambling has spread throughout every country, so it would be better if we tried to find other income from gambling, but not from betting.
1027  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think women will make better gamblers by their nature? on: February 01, 2024, 07:56:47 PM
Personally I don't support women venturing into grabbing actively, gambling has a way of disarming you of  all your principles slowly until  you're stuck. A lot of with gamble too, just that there are more make gamblers. I've seen female gambling addicts and trust me, its messier than male.

Home management skills are different from gambling skills, if intertwined, one will surely suffer and its most likely the home will suffer and the children less attended. Its a disaster when we have a female gambling addict who's married with children, it  affects the marriage too, so women active involvement in gambling should be discouraged.
Seeing a female gambler that takes gambling so serious as an addiction now is very rare and I have not seen any, how will they look like cause I know no female can pass through those stress of gambling and loss. When talking about gamble addict, people like this can control their emotions at any time so they're always prepared and ready, even if they didn't win there's another alternative to handle the issue but for ladies, that's very difficult to handle especially the ones that cannot control their emotions
The idea you shared calling it a disaster,  I disagree with this, although I'm not in support of female gamblers gambling carelessly but this is actually not right, there's always time for everything and no lady can leave her child just to gamble, when gambling we don't spend much time especially when the lady is married

In the current era of advanced technological development, men and women can freely gamble anytime, anywhere without exception, but still everyone can change for the worse when addicted because there is no difference between male gamblers and female gamblers because both can become addicted.
but it is very rare for female gamblers to be addicted because they think they value money more and usually female gamblers also get bored more quickly and usually use their money for something more useful and it is not surprising that you and some other people rarely see female gamblers who are addicted and become very bad even I have only once seen a female gambler who was almost depressed, but that incident was in 2016.

maybe everyone will think and ask why there are so few female gambling addicts because women have more thoughts about things that are more beneficial for themselves or their children. on the one hand, women will not bother thinking about making more money from gambling because they will rely on their husband's salary.
different from men who have big responsibilities and are always thinking about making more and more money.
we always see crazy men or depressed or stressed men more often than crazy women because men have big responsibilities compared to women.
1028  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you believe visiting a seer or spiritual house could make you win a game? on: February 01, 2024, 06:46:54 PM
I am one of the majority of people who like to think realistically and logically. If a fortune teller can help someone win a bet, why doesn't a fortune teller bet large amounts himself to become rich and stop being someone who predicts other people's luck?
and gambling is a game of luck that has been designed by a complicated algorithm that is difficult to solve but ridiculously a fortune teller can determine other people's luck while the fortune teller is still working as a fortune teller instead of being rich.
on the one hand, sometimes even a gambling employee cannot win a large bet because as I said, everything has been designed by a complicated algorithm.

I never had the thought or intention of trying to go to a fortune teller to ask for help predicting where I should play to get a big win and for me it's just superstition and if someone comes to see a fortune teller and gets a big win it's just luck and I'm sure of it will not be able to be obtained in a row.

I don't have an experience like this but around me there are lots of people aged 50+ practicing superstitious things like this by sleeping in graves with the assumption of getting help from the devil through dreams and buying lottery tickets to get big jackpots but in fact they still have not become rich and even become sick because they often sleep outside the house in the open.
anyone should not do things like this because it is pure superstition and just a waste of time.
1029  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not everyone deserves to hear of your winning in gambling. on: February 01, 2024, 06:19:13 PM
If you just share stories about your success in gambling by getting several big wins. But you don't share the victory. Yes... it's only natural that this can make other people feel jealous and dislike you. Moreover, if the person you invite to tell the story is someone who has just experienced consecutive gambling losses. So I think, if we are kind enough, then we shouldn't just share stories, but we should also share love. Even though the amount we give is not much, because at least it will be an entertainment for him, after experiencing several failures and disappointments because he was not able to get good results when gambling.

And do we have to think about what other people say about us.? yes... we need to think about it, as an evaluation material so that we can be better in the future. And when you receive sweet words, consider them as honey, and when you receive bitter words, consider them as medicine. So both of these things can be good things for you.
maybe what you mean is telling about success in winning but not telling about the amount.
there's no harm in telling anyone about winning from gambling, but you still have to look at your friend's condition, whether they are feeling well or are sad about losing from gambling because the impact is not only to make you jealous, but your friend might borrow money to bet and catch up. it's a loss and of course you will think that if you lend him money, you will only lose again and he won't be able to return your money, but if you don't give him a loan, your friend will definitely be angry.
well, that's when the bad impact of telling stories about winnings to the wrong people is like misleading yourself and actually the right friend to tell the story to is only your partner.
giving a little money to another friend and telling about the win is a very wise way, but it still has bad consequences in the end.
I prefer to hide everything about defeats and wins to avoid other risks as I said.

thinking about other people? yes, it is necessary but I won't do it because usually they will continue to approach us when we get a big win but they will avoid us when we have nothing left.
1030  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: February 01, 2024, 04:23:52 PM
The problem of losing focus at work will become a problem for them if they continue to gamble. That would likely cause bigger problems because if they were caught gambling while working, their boss would not like it, which could get them fired. That is the biggest risk that the company will take, but if the company only gives a warning letter, he is still lucky because he is still allowed to work at the company but must be able to stop gambling while working. And yes, it can also have a negative impact on their emotions, where whatever results they get from gambling can make their emotions increase. But losing focus at work will be a problem they face.
gambling always has negative impacts if we are not wise in doing it and there are many negative impacts including losing our job.
as you said, even though gambling is fun, it will definitely require high concentration and tension which will cause high emotional tension and will definitely affect one's work, such as unfinished work or feelings of regret for losing and being lazy to complete work.
I just feel a little confused why there are still people who gamble at work when work is the main thing that is prioritized and gambling should be used in free time or if you really have good self control you can access gambling at work but only when you have time It's break time so you can use it to entertain yourself.

but it's still not recommended and don't be reckless in doing this because there are situations that sometimes make the situation very bad and you still have the idea of prioritizing work over gambling.
1031  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling can be a hope restorer if we go about it wisely! on: February 01, 2024, 03:43:20 PM
It's very difficult to get a lot of money from airdrops 😅

Yes, I know how many and widespread online slot gambling is in Indonesia 🤣 I'm also not surprised if some people spend tens of millions just on slots alone. Maybe it's a silly activity to spend thousands of dollars on slots,

Yups, opportunities don't come twice, but my friend who is a slot addict said, "opportunities will probably come 3 or 4 or fifth, even several times as long as we keep trying" 🤣 until now my friend is still struggling to find another opportunity with continuous losses growing 🤦‍♂️

The last time I got money from the airdrop was 150$ and yes for people like us, it can be a hope to earn 150$ it is worth 1 month's salary here in Indonesia right?

Hahaha but those are real  Grin

Yes opportunities will probably come 3 or 4 or fifth but you just don't know when  Grin even you win at that point you might still a loss a lot.

That is why guys use gamble only for fun and if you win big that just bonus.
from some of the discussions you talked about I have concluded that actually the person who tries to spend $100k has the hope of doubling the money he has but he has the wrong way of using it to bet while he forgets about the big risk that luck will not come to him again.
TBH, I was a little curious about the story and looked for it but unfortunately I didn't find this incident, but in essence we hope that gambling is normal and there is no harm, but still don't use large amounts or only try with small amounts according to the limits.

just imagine if for example he had 100k and used 5% as a gambling budget and bet on sports bets which have less risk than slot games which really depend on luck.
for example he bets $1k on 5 matches and each match has odds @1.5 wouldn't that be very profitable than hoping on a slot game that is difficult to predict?

but however, it was a decision that ended badly and this could be an example for anyone not to have high hopes for gambling.
1032  Other / Off-topic / Re: Having a regular/steady income is important as a gambler. on: February 01, 2024, 02:43:24 PM
Having a regular and steady income is very important for all kinds of people not just gambler. Like if anyone want to long term Bitcoin holding then he should also have study income otherwise he can't hold the strategy. And in case of gambling here the first rules is I think that gamble as much as he can afford to lose. So if anyone don't having a regular steady income then how he can afford the money for gambling so I also think it is a very important thing for a gambler also.
you provide a very subtle and easy understanding for anyone here to understand.
having a fixed income is mandatory because to bet we definitely need money whereas if a gambler doesn't have a fixed income how to generate a budget for gambling and of course he only relies on other people borrowing money from other friends and if a gambler is just unemployed and is still determined to gamble I'm sure they have the assumption that gambling is their job to make money.

and on the one hand, if a gambler has a job and has a steady income, when we make a loss, we won't have problem because we still have income that can cover the loss.
even though there are no rules like this in gambling, it is highly recommended for anyone that if they really want to be a gambler, it would be better to have job that can make money every month and if you don't have job, it would be better if you dont have to bet or avoid gambling to avoid something bad.
1033  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Responsible Gambling Practices Most People Ignore and Sleep on on: February 01, 2024, 12:35:03 PM
1. Setting Limitations


3. Financial Management

first and third options are enough to represent being a responsible gambler implementing these two options, a gambler can start to become a healthy gambler and can get other references about what he should pay attention to in order to continue to be a gambler who is consistent with his own rules.
there are many more options that are often ignored by irresponsible gamblers, they ignore how gambling works which can give encouragement to their own minds not to put too much money into gambling.

I really appreciate this post and this can be advice for any gambler not to ignore small things like this but it is very important for the future of a gambler who must remain a healthy gambler and remain responsible for every bet made.
1034  Other / Off-topic / Re: Before you start gambling, do some research first on: February 01, 2024, 11:55:45 AM
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It's true, everyone will be easily influenced especially when it comes to profit or money, then everyone will certainly be easily influenced or tempted. because gambling involves profit even though it is not certain that it will be easily obtained but many people have been influenced by gambling so that they experience many losses. returning something that has been lost is just a silly thought especially if this happens in gambling, because it is clear that in gambling the chances of winning are very slim so there is no way they can return the money that has been lost for sure. If you're going to do gambling, you should be able to see all the bad effects if you can't control yourself properly. unless you really want to experience destruction in life then gambling excessively is one of the effective ways to do it, it's just that I don't think it's possible for anyone to want their life to be destroyed on purpose.
well, this means that everything in gambling will always provide temptations that are difficult to avoid and this is one thing that gamblers who want to start gambling really have to pay attention to because these temptations will usually appear unconsciously and when they are tempted and continue gambling, they will not be aware of what has been done beyond the budget limit and he will realize when his money has run out and experience regret, sadness and anger towards gambling and can encourage a novice gambler to pursue defeat and become addicted.
and from what you said that I quoted, I have come to the conclusion that something that beginner gamblers must really pay attention to is self control and planning budget limits to avoid running out of savings and if a beginner gambler is able to have good control and can manage budget, I'm sure in the long term there won't be any problems.
1035  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Viewpoint of a fan gambling on: February 01, 2024, 09:39:58 AM
maybe I will focus more on football betting and occasionally I also bet on teams that are not favorites or are not my favorite team.
for me this just depends on whether we are truly a bettor or just a bettor and supporter of a team.
and if someone is a pure bettor, they usually don't care where they place their bet because they (pure gamblers) only think about how to win their bet and don't always bet on the team favored by the bookmaker.
however, if someone is a bettor and also a supporter of a team, they usually always bet on their favorite team as a way to provide support, even though the team they choose is not favored by the bookies, they will definitely look for a safe option with a big chance of winning.

but still, all of this is actually just about where we will get a profit from our bets, it doesn't matter whether it is a weak team or a strong team which can definitely only win the bet that has been placed even though he is also a supporter of a certain team.
1036  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: While placing bet what comes your mind on: February 01, 2024, 09:09:19 AM
That feeling that you should increase your stake and that that bet could probably be the life changing opportunity for you is what is planted in the mind of every gambler and that is why the ones that are not disciplined ends up being gambling addictors. It is always advised that all gamblers should have a budget and probably stick to their budget in order to control their emotion while gambling. But with the thoughts that you could win a jackpot if you go to a casino with a certain amount of money you would likely end all of them in that casino. That's very thought is not a good one and it is good to be killed in the mind of all the gamblers in order to make them gamble responsibly. They should understand that no type of gambling is sure and that is why it is called gambling. So always comeble with what you can afford to lose.
thoughts like that are always felt most gamblers and this is why you and most other people say that having self limitations would be the best way to avoid the impact of bad thinking like what you say here.
planning budget limit or setting limit on the number of bets would be a good strategy to pressure our minds to get used to these limits and not have assumptions that the next bet will win even though having thoughts like that if we already have limits that we are used to doing I'm sure someone the gambler will not do anything he thinks that can lead to long term harm.
1037  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What's your multi-bet (paroli) strategy? on: February 01, 2024, 06:17:29 AM
a little confused to understand what you mean Paroli, is it a multi bet like a parlay combining several matches into one to get bigger odds or a builder bet that combines odds from just 1 match?

If what you mean parlay betting is that it has a high risk but the odds that we will get will be quite a big profit as you have said and for me a good strategy for making parlay bets is just don't enter more than 5 matches or just 4 matches or 4 popular teams that you enter into the betting slip and choose odds above @1.3 - @1.5 will produce decent odds and a win rate that is a little less risky.

however, if you mean builder bets, combining several betting options in one match is almost the same as parlay betting, but for me it is a little risky if you combine several betting options in one match which is difficult to predict and I rarely make builder bets, except when I want to experiment with a small amount but still the result is losing.
previously there was a thread discussing builder betting. If you are interested, you can read about some of the experiences of other people who have tried it.

For sports bettors, are you attracted with bet builder feature?
1038  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Confusion About Insider Gambling on: January 31, 2024, 07:02:43 PM
what I know is this is a kind of manipulation but it often happens in local sports matches or small leagues like in my area, usually insider gambling often occurs when officials try to bet through other channels and the team that looks like they are winning can surprisingly lose in the last minute and this is usually called a surprise for bettors but actually in small leagues this often happens in the area where I live so that officials or rich people usually discuss other channels with bookmaker and arrange ways to win bets and this will benefit the bookmaker and officials.
1039  Other / Off-topic / Re: You can not win if you do not risk on: January 31, 2024, 06:50:11 PM
Both sides pose a threat of risk, regardless of the strength of the team. But the risk takers as the gamblers who wager on smaller teams to win, have a greater reward, but lesser chances of winning the game. However, they could win, but it's rarely possible. So, if a gambler is possibly interested in taking severe risks, he should be careful about it, and endeavor that it won't ruin his gambling journey. It's not simple for gamblers to make it out of gambling, clean, any mistake could be detrimental on the long run. While taking could be so rewarding in terms of money, the impact on the gambler is not recommended. The player may get glued to those risks and may lose out huge amount trying to make it big by taking more risky predictions.  
there's nothing wrong with trying to bet at high risk but still with a small amount, for example $1 and betting on a small team with odds @5+
if you win you will definitely get a nice small profit but if a small team loses we won't really regret losing $1 from our budget because we have to remember that the way gambling works is that it depends on luck and there is no harm in trying our luck with small amounts and on the one hand gambling should be done responsibly and betting $1 is gambling responsibly.
sometimes for other people the title of this thread looks a little bad as if it's like taking a big risk with bad impacts in the long term but from what I understand it's all true if you try your luck it's not wrong but don't go beyond the limits of our abilities.

I often do this betting on small teams or at least betting on a draw with high odds and sometimes it can happen although it is very rare but anyone can try it but it is not recommended.
the important thing is to always have self control not to bet more than our limits.
1040  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When I'm emotional, I LOSS! on: January 31, 2024, 06:40:35 PM
The emotion itself occurs because the spin may not make the gambler happy and the end result is less than satisfactory, but they should be able to accept the risks involved in gambling, including losing the money they bet because that is something that is bound to happen in gambling, it is impossible for gamblers to do so. avoid it easily. I think many gamblers get emotional when they lose at gambling and they can't accept the loss until they become emotional and then return to gambling with the motive of wanting to recover their losses or chase a win.

I think that gambling should be done with a feeling of relaxation, not with passion or emotion, because if you gamble with these two things, it is very likely that they will experience big losses. I agree with you, winning at gambling depends on luck, if they don't have luck they won't be able to win. Also if they only rely on emotions it will only destroy them financially and mentally.
luck comes when we gamble casually and don't expect too much, that's what I experienced when I got a big win at a local poker game. when we gamble casually and enjoy every bet we make, we can definitely think about making wiser decisions and not betting recklessly.
so that when we bet casually we definitely feel comfortable and our minds can think more clearly looking for ways to maintain our budget so it doesn't run out quickly and wait for luck to come.
It's different from betting emotionally, of course we don't have a clear mind and more often gamble recklessly because when our brain is emotional, it can't make wiser decisions or only thinks about taking back previous losses.

It is not recommended for anyone who bets in an emotional state, but it would be better if when feelings or thoughts are not well, it is better to avoid betting on gambling or if you lose when betting, it would be better to force yourself to close the online casino that we access at that time. that is, too.
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