I guess they won't ban them. At least, not for shit posting per se, though some may indeed get banned, for example, for copy-pasting if caught. The punishment should obviously "fit the crime", and kicking them off the signature campaign will most certainly suffice to stop these users from flooding the forum with junk posts altogether. In fact, not banning them (even temporarily) would be a more severe punishment to them...
You are working under the assumption that we are talking about plenty of different people posting in the campaign. My analysis has shown several strong patterns amongst the posters which leads me to believe that a handful of people own(ed) most of the accounts. Those are the people primarily abusing their positions and ruining this forum. Since many will try to join other signature campaigns and undoubtedly end up kicked off again
If something like SPAS was active (made by Lutpin), then that wouldn't be a problem. At this time, they can likely join some Altcoin campaign or something (which kind of makes the bans in Bitmixer less effective). Even though I am kicked from Bitmixer, and I as result removed my signature, I am happy to see that something is being done about spammers. I am literally sick and tired of all these google translate freaks that are only milking this forum till it's empty. Good thing is that every user enrolled will be subject to weekly quality checks by Lauda. This will make sure no spammer remains active for long. I am sure of that.
The important thing is that: You realize that it is your fault. You want to improve. You put in effort into 2. There are likely going to be people attacking me from heavy sides due to this, and those are the people that have really deserved to be banned forever. This is why I'll run a separation of the blacklist into people that are banned forever and those that may get un-banned if significant improvement is shown. Looks like someone is desperately trying to get rid of a (most likely banned) bitmixer Hero account through an auction right now.
I've just looked into that; statistically the odds are very high in favor of the account being banned.
But let us not discuss Bitmixer specifically here. We will be observe the effectiveness of the 'put stress on the manager' method after some time. Additionally, I'd like to hear what people think about making account sales banned? |
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tell me if eligible, just to know but i'm still not sure if i i'll join
Everyone can join, enrollment is automatic. Whether or not you're going to stay, is another story though. Added to secondary post. Thanks. Little confused about this rule. Are you sure that only Indonesian is excluded and all other Local boards including 'Other languages/locations' are allowed? If yes, then may I know why Indonesian is specifically excluded?
It was determined by the service themselves. They've found an awful amount of spam being generated in that section and have banned it long ago. Other languages are fine. Will you consider a full member with a slightly decent post quality? I noticed the "full member" in the OP. Does that mean yes?
No. The enrolling system is automatic, and I can't do anything about it. |
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0.01 BTC per ticket at this time with 15 slots left. Marked as paid. Sorry for the delay. |
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I'll see tomorrow whether or not I'm still part of the campaign. Either way, it was about time that something was done to get rid of the major part of the Bitmixer shitposters. One thing is sure, your appointment will surely makes me want to improve my post quality directly.  What I've already been asked several times is 'how to improve posting quality'. You could attempt to contribute to the community by writing a "guide" with some pointers for this (I'm not aware that there is one). Make sure to make it self-moderated and discuss with someone else prior. <- This is an example of something that a spammer is very unlikely going to do for the forum. They are likely going to respond to the thread with "Thank you, now I impruv my posting quality.".
Then let them do that. I think instead of batting this tired old mouse around, admins ought to try things--anything--out, see what works. And even though I'm in a campaign now, I would have no problem with nuking the signatures altogether. The spam here is just goddamn ridiculous, and it's painfully obvious that it's the sig campaigners' fault.
Agreed. While it may be near-impossible to completely halt account sales, adding the risk of being permanently banned (both seller and buyer) will definitely kill a huge chunk of the market. |
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Looks like Lauda has been going strong with cleaning up the Bitmixer campaign. If that means that I get banned as well, then it is what it is. But it's a good effort to keep the forum clean.
You won't be banned, as you don't fit the criteria. You are going to be evaluated again in Round two which is tomorrow. I've also suggested a extensive BAN list from this cleanup to the forum administration. Whether they will take action on it or not, is not up to me. As stated in the post, this should be taken as a warning sign that flags your posting behavior as bad (hence it needed thorough improvement). It seems that I turned right in the end.
It is only effective if they have nowhere to run to. However, I can say that this campaign was among the worst if not the worst regarding farmed accounts and spammers (I've learned a lot during my examination of the users). Ironically, the most spammy service across the forum hired the most strict moderator to get rid of spammers.
That may be debatable, but I do like that title.  |
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Frequently Asked Questions
1. Do you accept addresses starting with a "3" (Multi-signature address)?Yes. 2. Why are posts being removed? Did I do something wrong?The primary idea of a self-moderated thread is to keep trolls and pointless replies out. I will be deleting posts and group answers into singular posts. You are free to ask questions, here or via PM, but always read the whole FAQ before you do. 3. Is the rate the same for all of the user ranks? Yes, the rate 0.0007 BTC/post applies to all user-ranks. 4. Can I leave the Campaign and join again later? Yes, you are allowed to leave the campaign and join later (Note: Quitting early in a payment period will result in loss of payments). 5. Will my payment period reset if I switch from Senior Member signature to Hero Member signature?No, your payment period should remain the same. 6. Payments, post-counting: manual or automatic?Both the payments and post counting are automatic (I do not hold any funds; counting is done by the system).
Old Signature Campaign thread (open since 2014-1): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=425135.0
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Rate: 0.0007 BTC per post (max. 0.035BTC/week) with no minimum number of weekly posts.
Users-ranks allowed: Senior Member, Hero Member, Legendary Member, Staff.
Rules:- You must have no negative feedback. - No other signatures are allowed at the same time.- You must post in multiple sections of the forum during your participation. - Only posts that a longer than 75 characters are qualified for payments. - The following sections are not counted towards payment: Off-topic / Games and rounds / Alternate cryptocurrencies / Indonesian/ Meta* and this thread. - Attempting to abuse this campaign may result with at least 1 negative rating from a DT member.
Anti-SPAM Policy:Everyone is free to enroll as the system is automatic, however you are going to be subject to weekly checks. This campaign has very high post quality requirements. Here are some of the actions that will get you banned from this campaign: - Posting primarily in a single section (rule violation).
- Holes in your posting activity/accounts that woke up after a long period of inactivity.
- Posting in short bursts (which results with a permanent ban).
- Enrolling in the campaign with multiple accounts (which results with a permanent ban).
- General lack of posting quality/substance.
- Other (read this thread, and also the Posting guidelines).
How to enroll1. Go to your profile and put our code as your signature: [size=16pt][url=https://bitmixer.io][color=#0044ef][b]▓▓▓ BITMIXER.IO ▓▓▓[color=#fb6b02]▓▓▓ High Volume Bitcoin MIXER ▓▓▓[/color][/b][/color][/url][/size] [size=16pt][url=https://bitmixer.io][color=white][b][glow=#009CD9,10,100] BITMIXER.IO [/glow][glow=#F77B00,2,100] High Volume Bitcoin MIXER [/glow][/b][/color][/url][/size] 2. Add bitcoin address to your profile. 3. Go to https://bitmixer.io/signature.html, enter your bitcointalk uid number and get paid weekly. How to obtain you bitcointalk uid numberGo to any your post and click to your nickname. You will be redirected to bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=XXXXX, where XXXXX is your bitcointalk uid number. In one week after enrolling you will be paid automatically (if you keep our signature and have new posts).If you change or remove the signature, even for a couple of hours, you will have to start again: Wait one week for the next payment, create new posts, etc. |
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PSA: Bans Starting today, I have been given access to the whole signature campaign and management. I will be cleaning up this campaign thoroughly. Let me set some things straight: 1) I have banned you, not Bitmixer itself. Do NOT spam Bitmixer via PM with complaints. 2) Do NOT spam me with complaints. 3) Do not blame Bitmixer, do not blame me. 4) The only person that you have to blame is YOURSELF. 5) Take this as a Warning sign. Any further infractions will likely result in a ban from the forum.
This is the list of users that have been banned for the following reason - "Low quality/insubstantial/repetitive posts - SPAM": azguard
randy8777
gentlemand
WhiteManWhite
Altynbekova
richardsNY
nasituygun
goinmerry
Shinpako09
ronaldo40
healtheworld
Corenin
mark coins
SquallLeonhart
fkvidar
Shibashi Dogemoto
chaosknight
tygeade
dinda22
agustina2
JessicaSe
eddyubachs
bitlancr
JumperX
umaOuma
torrentheaven
stromma44
peta4e
gerXhonza
Bitcoinbro
greBit
tampazeus
terman45x
praprata
Newcoins2020
martinacar
vero
blackmachinegun
pocarime32
sishendaoye
phreaky
ajun96
diodio5
philiveyjr
techgeek
lexuz
dezoel
hasiramasenju
MyBTT
Revelation Machine
Hirose UK
zenitzz
mrhelpful
xht
AncilVTwo
Digital_Lord
pissedoff
sirohige
crossabdd
hendra147
Buchi-88
trinaldao
Keyboard PC
countryfree
InvoKing
shane
justspare
BitAurum
polynesia
BlueStackz
lixer
ausbit
bitgolden
neonshium
ShrykeZ
a7mos
var53
DrG
poncho32
Bitsaurus
jertsy
BAGOBO
diazepam666
cluit
RealMalatesta
This is the list of users that have been banned for the following reason - "Posting only (or primarily) in local sections AND/OR spam": bumbarash
petahashminer
bokr57
Gromozeka
deblue
Pelegrini
bontyw1276
rikko72
artur11110000
tair85
feterim
bitcoinst
smigel
oyeTorry
kvazimodo
wiesen
mhanbostanci
DrBeer
daniahya
Cripto DeD
krupenin
cabsav
designerusa
TurboMen
ainv42
pashh
leshutov
topman21
KBH
peretss
klenin
rikudou
nor9845
atas
Googlulinks
needmoney
oli123123
mjpo
mentalpanda
SvintuS
armadora
EvilClown
tukinen
daddybios
polovec
klepa
web.master
kenshi222
A few other important things: - This is just the result of the first round of bans (updated: all accounts).
- There will be a secondary round after the whole list has been completed.
- Several factors have been used in the behavioral analysis and deduction.
- Do not complain in this thread and/or via PM (unless you have some really constructive input) - It is highly unlikely that a false positive has been banned.
Ban percentage (first round) of reviewed accounts: ~72% (133 out of 183). |
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The process of banning on this forum is properly defined (e.g. who can, can't). Your idea isn't defined, ergo the argument is invalid. You should work on defining a proposal, not avoiding criticism with red herring.
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@Suggestion above: This is an interesting and unusual idea (I have not seen it before). The initial workload would indeed be high, and there would be a backlog. However, this would go down with time and there certainly are enough moderators to do this. The problematic that I do see:
1) How exactly do we decide? (e.g. approval by 1 or multiple mods per user)
2) Subjective decision making (e.g. some other mods are likely going to be softer than me. How do we reach consensus?)
3) "My signature is disabled but user X with bad or equal post quality has a signature?!?" threads.
These are the first few things that come to mind.
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I'm sorry for the late answer, just returned from vacations.
We are definitely going to clean up our signature campaign very soon. May be hilariousandco help us in this work.
I think the problem should be resolved at the level of forum's admins, not sig campaign managers. They could ban users who spam on the forum.
Because our banned spammer may register on other sig campaign and continue fill forum with spam, then try another campaign, etc. But if he was banned on the forum, he can't.
You're looking at this from a limited perspective though (local). If you globally observe a environment where everyone is working together we have: 1) Services that don't hire bad managers/properly manage their own campaigns -> Spammers can't get in. 2) Managers that properly hire their campaign/hold to a high standard -> Spammers can't get in. 3) Staff that bans/tags the ones (users, managers, campaigns) that don't participate.
Tl;dr: With everything working together it becomes much more efficient. |
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Guess who just randomly decided to respond to my pm? Bitmixer. What a coincidence! I'm sure someone with about ten accounts on their campaign mailed them in a panic or something.
Someone has either been closely watching this thread, or has been replying here under a certain agenda. What a surprise. If they don't make drastic changes soon, they should still be removed due to the damage that was already caused. |
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This thread has become counterproductive. Almost no useful suggestions have been provided nor have you sucessfully argued against the mentioned methods. Time to start blacklisting services.
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Tl;dr: OP started this thread to suggest fighting spam by punishing campaign managers. Now, they are defending the banning of users/services and disagree with any other methods.
What's the secret agenda here?
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But if the service is legit as it seems to be, allegedly does a lot of good to Bitcoin as well as attracts a lot of new users into it, would banning it do more harm than good in the long run even if the majority of their posters are posting pure crap?
In this way, punishing the service itself looks counterproductive, but I seem to repeat myself
That's like the primary reason for which the campaigns are not completely banned. They let newbies earn a little, and provide bonuses to people that truly contribute. That said, whether a service is useful or not is irrelevant. Rules are rules and should be applied to all as equally as possible. That said, Bitmixer is a bad centralized service that will get replaced by Joinmarket anyway. They should be the first one to be completely blacklisted.
Read the post from hilarious. Also: This spam causes a lot more damage than good. Quality members are either completely ignoring certain sections or jumping the ship. |
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