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they are not going to stack the supreme court.
just talk.
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I'm all for coinbase doing the IPO and being the "first crypto company to get on nasdaq" BUT the only question I have is.. If you sit on money to invest, why would you buy coinbase stock vs buying btc? Enlighten me someone?
You cannot buy bitcoin in your typical tax-advantageous accounts (in US), such as IRA and Roth IRA. Theoretically, you can if you open something called self-directed IRA, but it is a hassle and they have yearly fees, typically. You can buy GBTC and COIN there, though. A simple explanation. Most US people have a bulk of their investable money in those entities (IRA and Roth IRA). Gotcha, so it's for tax purposes more or less? How does it work if you buy BTC direct, no tax cuts or otherwise? yes and plus, as i mentioned, you are not allowed to trade btc in most IRAs, but you can trade stocks (like GBTC and COIN). BTW, it looks like that WS wants to play COIN the same way they played FB (push it down first). They probably think that this drop might entice more employees to sell. Right now those employees are probably on pins and needles since they could have sold it in pre-IPO sales for $470 and now the price is $100 lower. $580 on FTX looks like a joke (for now). The self directed IRA is well worth going through the hoops to setup. Thanks to WO I learned of the possibility over a year ago and decided to do it. Best decision I've ever made. Yes there are yearly fees but so what. It's worth it to take control of your retirement account. Don't sleep on this especially if you have a decent chunk sitting in a regular 401k or IRA not doing much. That was some of the angles that I was superficially considering in late 2014. I had already acquired a decent direct stake in bitcoin by late 2014, but my stake in bitcoin was negative in terms of the amount that I invested in and the BTC price (I think that the BTC price was around $400 during that time and my cost per BTC was likely higher than $600 per BTC), and I was thinking that I could take half of my 401k and largely more than double my BTC holdings (and bring down my average cost per BTC too), but have those funds within a self-directed IRA - so not suffer any tax consequences for the management or the moving around of those funds, once they are in such self-directed IRA. My ultimate conclusion was that I had already acquired a more than sufficient stake in bitcoin, so why put my 401k funds at potential risk - and if BTC goes up anywhere close previous ATHs of $1,163, my BTC investment would provide sufficiently in terms of returns and hedging and of course, I was thinking that there were decent possibilities that BTC go into the $3k to $5k range with $10k as more bullish scenarios that could take many years to play out. I don't really regret my decision, even though I do see the power of such self-directed optionality, which does still seem quite tempting and probably even more tempting for someone who might have a longer investment time horizon, as compared to my own. Weird stuff is going on. Yes BTC is kind of putt putting but my kid is going on about his DOGE mining (I've reactivated a few Titans, and they are fucking PROFITABLE?  ON DOGE? ? IT'S THE GOD OF SHITCOINS!!!!!) So what's up? People just nuts? I'm not seeing relative movement on LTC, it's still pegged at .004 to a BTC instead of the .012-.018 before the 2019 implosions. I have around 20 l3+ miners and they merge mine ltc/doge I sell the ltc for fiat and btc. I hodl the doge and level up my sales. 2000 at 4 cents 2000 at 5 cents 2000 at 6 cents. 2000 at 7 cents 2000 at 8 cents 2000 at 9 cents 2000 at 10 cents 2000 at 11 cents 2000 at 12 cents 2000 at 13 cents 2000 at 14 cents every one above is gone sold. So i still have 1000 at 15 cents 1000 at 16 cents 1000 at 17 cents 1000 at 18 cents 1000 at 19 cents 500 at 20 cents 500 at 21 cents 500 at 22 cents 500 at 23 cents 500 at 24 cents while all of the above was listed and sold or is still listed. I am stacking about 5 ltc and 10000 doge a month mining. when every thing sells out or when I stack 20000 doge with the current mining I will stack again. My partner hodl all his doge and is pushing 700,000 doge on hodl I am a little reluctant to engage on your shitcoinery talk Philip, but seems that you are taking a kind of practical approach to the matter to try to skim profits in a seemingly reasonable way that really structures you to benefit from the volatility of that piece of shit, lock in profits as the doge coin prices goes up and still have some more to sell in the event it goes up even more.. which seems outrageous that it even got over a penny and now it is reaching 14x outrageous.. Anyone who holds onto an asset such as doge (referring to your partner) seems quite deluded and surely a kind of gamble based on ongoing pumpability that could end up drying up at any minute, especially when considering how much lackenings in fundamentals exist with that particular coin. Regarding your selling ultimately into dollars and BTC, of course, BTC is the better longer term asset, but surely you are likely generating a decent quantity of dollar related bills too that are either somewhat connected to the business (probably the shed could be considered in such direction), and whether your electicity costs are going up, surely that is an ongoing expense in which it is good to have available dollars but surely to spend the dollars rather than the BTC with considerations of Gresham law principles, even if you might have options to pay in BTC. By the way, any of us who might attempt to increase some of our spending of BTC would likely be considering that we might be spending and replacing or at least taking those BTC from excess BTC that we had acquired - which may well be part of Saylor's recent rationale to considerably increase his likely ongoing BTC expenditures by deciding to pay as certain number of non-employees in BTC (not sure if they have options regarding doing that partially or if it is just something that they have to receive 100% in BTC).. but anyhow, my point is that these kinds of paying in BTC can become way easier to do when there had already been decisions to convert so large of portions of cashflow into BTC.. so when I largely recommend 1% to 10%, and if Saylor/Microstrategy had many examples of way higher allocations into BTC (maybe in the 50% or higher arena), then they become way more justified in terms of their shaving off some of those BTC holdings or putting the BTC holdings to work in terms of satisfying their ongoing operating expenses. Yeah. I only care about BTC. So I have to weigh how to get it at a discount since most of the BTC I get (not all) is via mined coins. I primarily believe in power to coin or POW I primarily believe in BTC. But on a practical level. Current prices for in stock gear. 18,500 usd in BTC direct gear will get me about 38 usd worth of BTC after power. 18,500 usd in ETH/GPU gear will get me about 56 usd worth of BTC after power and autoverting to BTC 18,500 usd in LTC/DOGE gear will get me about 175 usd worth go BTC after power and autoverting to BTC In the 3 cases above. I could do any of the three with my power setup. In fact I can do all of them since I have 300 kwatts of available power. and about 140 kwatts in use. So I do have this in L3+ miner 10,000 usd in LTC/DOGE gear It is fully paid off and I do get on a daily basis get about 54 usd worth of BTC after power and converting the ltc and doge to BTC. I won't talk about the BTC gear I won't talk about the Eht/gpu gear. MY l3+ gear burns 15kwatts an hour. My Eth and my BTC gear burns over 100kwatts All of my mining is designed to gather BTC in. My main partner is far more bullish on all coins. He is holding far too many other coins. I begged him to cash more doge and convert to cash and btc. But on paper he did better holding his doge. I made over 60k on doge this year. He is more than that about 77k if he cashes them. |
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So far you made a good call. April 2021 has the ATH and every day has been over 56,600 2021-04-01 58,825 2021-04-02 59,377 2021-04-03 58,585 2021-04-04 57,572 2021-04-05 58,289 2021-04-06 58,307 2021-04-07 56,684 2021-04-08 57,274 2021-04-09 58,229 2021-04-10 60,036 2021-04-11 59,796 2021-04-12 60,169 2021-04-13 62,142 2021-04-14 63,314 2021-04-15 ?? 2021-04-16 2021-04-17 2021-04-18 2021-04-19 2021-04-20 today's number is also over 60k so indeed this is the best month ever. Note :I used the post below to build the chart above. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138109.msg56768977#msg56768977I will tack on to the month since this is so far the best month in the history of BTC and you called it. So 2 more days making your title pretty much perfect up to this point. BTW. I love the use of the word yet in your title. So even if this April is the greatest month ever your title then allow for a follow up May thread. Something like: Now that greatest month in btc has end will may be able to top it? Kudos to the op. |
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Yeah right now if you have an okay amount of gear and want more you are better off doing Newegg shuffle and hoping for a gpu.
For you in the US maybe, for us is a disaster, unless you go for a rx6700 and pay 1200euros you have to settle for 1050ti or an 1660 forgotten on stock, and the prices are hilarious sometimes, the 1050ti goes for 400 euros twice as much as when it was a brand new card. But unlike in the asics business, Nvidia can produce easily millions of cards unless we see another insane surge in the price of altcoins probably the madness will stop, but god knows, I anticipated a lot of things and none came true Back to bitcoin... I wonder if this insane profit margin will fuel the theory of miners helping the overall price by not dumping to pay for electricity and other costs, at these rates you can easily cover the cost with a fraction of the income and not forced to liquidate like in the past. It's still ~960 daily coins, (last24h) $60 million that are not completely hitting the exchanges....again, speculations, speculations Yeah. I mine BTC ETH LTC/DOGE BCH OCTOPUS KAPOW everything is designed on getting more BTC So gpus on ebay in usa at stupidly high 2x prices are a bargain compared to s19pros. so buy a gpu at 2x msrp mine eth convert to cash and btc is simply far better to do than buying the s19pro on ebay or at blokforge. blokforge had some s19pros at 16500. add tax and shipping I got to just under 18000 for 1 s19pro it makes 38 cents a th or 110 x 38 = $41.80 it burns 80 kwatts or 4 dollars that is 38 a day or 474 days to break even. It is pretty loud it is hot. it needs a custom psu. Which at the cost it is you should order the psu for it just in case . say 500 more I went to uk ebay and I see nvidia 3070 gpus for about. £1300 so 10 = £13000 = 17900 usd. tack on 500 for 2 mobos plus etc and 18500 for the gpus vs 18000 for the s19pro you get 600 mh or 600 x 19 cent that is 60 usd a day in eth auto vert to btc power is under 50 kwatts or under 3 a day at 5 cent power 60 usd - 3 = 57 a day 18500/57 = 324 days to break even for 2 five card rigs 18500/38 = 474 days to break even for 1 s19pro and a spare psu lets see with gpus you may or may not have the warranty since you got them on ebay the gpus have resale value the asic you have the crappy warranty service for 6 months. but roi is 324 days vs 474 days. this is directly affecting btc hashrate. as resources are diverting to gpus https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate. from 269 nov 17 2020 to 539 apr 13 2021 about 100% https://www.blockchain.com/charts/hash-rate. from 126 nov 17 2020 to 169 apr 13 2021 about 34% remember the chip shortage will force choices on how to expand I am going to check out merge mining of LTC/DOGE and see if the hash rate has grown like ETH or like BTC LTC was 171 on nov 17 2020 LTC is now 288 on apr 14 2021 or about 68% up Doge was 191 on Nov 17 2020 Doge is now 285 on Apr 15 2021 or up about 49% So BTC diff nov 2020 to April 2021 + 33% Doge diff nov 2020 to April 2021 + 49% LTC diff nov 2020 to April 2021 + 68% ETH diff nov 2020 to April 2021 +100% So it looks like a lot of people are doing what I do. Mining the coins that gets the most $ per watt Then convert it to some fiat for bills and some BTC Now when you look at merge mined LTC/Doge more diff increases than BTC. less than ETH and the reason is LTC/Doge makes more per watt than an s19pro but less per watt than gpu rigs. you can get 2 l3+ for about 1000 usd so you can get 36 for about 18000 usd that would be 18gh it would burn 648 kwatts earn 112 usd in ltc earn 96 usd in doge 208 -33 = 175 a day 18,000/175 = 102 days. this looks best. but that is because doge has jumped to 12-13 cents. I suspect more growth here except chip short age will slow it. So when you look at it all. any of the three are good to mine but ETH and or LTC/Doge are clearly more bang for the buck than BTC asics. It should be interesting to watch this over the next 2-4 months. |
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I posted Facebook fraud in the marketplace section and the post was moved to off topic, what is your IQ made out of whale sperm?
It's irrelevant that Facebook is a fraud? 40. 000 employees getting paid for nothing?
That shit will leave a hole in the world economy when people realize that it's a fraud.
But isn't important enough to be jn a gay forum with soyboys trading and selling pornsite passwords.
This isn't off topic either because I am asking for a loan! You stupid low testosterone Jimmy's
I used to date a navy girl when i was in the navy. she like me to use-a dildo up her ass while i was going down on her. she would come like a maniac. so if the op does not mind maybe we can poll the mods and ask if they want the ass fucking dildo. then the op could skip a few mods. |
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yeah i missed the shuffle
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Weird stuff is going on. Yes BTC is kind of putt putting but my kid is going on about his DOGE mining (I've reactivated a few Titans, and they are fucking PROFITABLE? ON DOGE? ? IT'S THE GOD OF SHITCOINS!!!!!) So what's up? People just nuts? I'm not seeing relative movement on LTC, it's still pegged at .004 to a BTC instead of the .012-.018 before the 2019 implosions. I have around 20 l3+ miners and they merge mine ltc/doge I sell the ltc for fiat and btc. I hodl the doge and level up my sales. 2000 at 4 cents 2000 at 5 cents 2000 at 6 cents. 2000 at 7 cents 2000 at 8 cents 2000 at 9 cents 2000 at 10 cents 2000 at 11 cents 2000 at 12 cents 2000 at 13 cents 2000 at 14 cents every one above is gone sold. So i still have 1000 at 15 cents 1000 at 16 cents 1000 at 17 cents 1000 at 18 cents 1000 at 19 cents 500 at 20 cents 500 at 21 cents 500 at 22 cents 500 at 23 cents 500 at 24 cents while all of the above was listed and sold or is still listed. I am stacking about 5 ltc and 10000 doge a month mining. when every thing sells out or when I stack 20000 doge with the current mining I will stack again. My partner hodl all his doge and is pushing 700,000 doge on hodl |
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I'm all for coinbase doing the IPO and being the "first crypto company to get on nasdaq" BUT the only question I have is.. If you sit on money to invest, why would you buy coinbase stock vs buying btc? Enlighten me someone?
You buy both and the reason is to be diverse. Although I won't be buying any stocks of any kind. |
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I'm terrified to sell video cards on ebay. I've been burned before on ebay so I'm not a big fan of ebay at all for miners or video cards. Make sure you put down the serial number somewhere for each card you sell in case they try to send you back a different card also.
I haven't been selected for a shuffle in a while. I notice when I am selected they notify me early like between 6 and 7 pm Eastern time. Any time after that is a you were not selected.
wonder if this is correct for me too. What happens with video cards on ebay is if mining stays good they tend to not return the cards. but when mining slides they burn you. The earliest win was 5:00PM. the latest win was 7:06PM Most losers come after 8PM I have had some early losers at 6:51pm |
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Price is seeing a correction but it's still on a 7 days period up by 10%, we've entered a period when I guess it's simply impossible to manufacture and ship enough gear to even dare to match the pace of the price increase and the current difficulty adjustment of what's now 1% seems to me as a clear indicator nothing is going to change the radically short term.
Besides, we have had already close to 3 months of insane mining profits, I don't know how it could be possible at this time for old gear to be still in transit and not have mined for at least one month. I understand that some might have sold their miners for a higher price now but they would either have mined before shipping or the gear is already installed and hashing, just my assumption but the hashing power of old gear in transit now between customers shouldn't account to anything of impact.
As for the new miner prices, yesterday I was discussing with a friend an offer he saw on the marketplace, 19pro for $18k, just four hours later, it was sold out, this is madness, 10k at current profits I get it, but going double over that?
Yeah right now if you have an okay amount of gear and want more you are better off doing Newegg shuffle and hoping for a gpu. You get a gpu at close to normal price mine eth use nice hash and convert to BTC. It is the single best explanation as to why the btc diff is so low. why pay a number like 18k for a unit that earns 110 x .40 = 44 bucks and burns 80 kwatts say 8 bucks net of 44-8 =36 noisy hot. a nvidia 3070 on ebay is about 1400 so you get 10 for 14000k maybe 15k for 2 rigs. you do 600 mh it earns 60 a day it burns 40kwatts say 4 bucks so net is 60-4 = 56 not as hot and less power less noise less to build. 300 days later look below 56 x 300 = 16800 so you paid the rig off in 300 days and made an extra 1800 vs 36 x 300 = 10800 you are 7200 in the hold after 300 days. so BTC growth = tiny ETH growth = bigly |
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Metroid went early bear here back in dec - jan. so he is far off.
But when is tough call. My guess is March 2022
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Phil,
I have four 1060 6gb, four vega 64s, a 1080 water cooled, a 2070 water cooled (both from gaming rigs)
put in for the newegg shuffle https://www.newegg.com/product-shufflethey have a asus strix 3070 for 839 they have a asus tug 3070 for 769 List 1 1060 6gb for 388 to 409 List 1 vega 64 for 777.77 See what they do with good luck they sell fast and you also get a Newegg Shuffle card to replace it. If they sell fast list again but do 1 1060 6gb for 5% higher than first listing and do 1 Vega for 5% higher than first listing. The key is to sell to different people and to expect 1 or 2 returns for the ten you have. Keep at the shuffle buy newer card with full warranties fro them if you hit . |
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Just got shot 1 of pfizer vaccine.
Wish me luck.
i had my 1st shot (pfizer) already get my 2nd tomorrow. i feel fine. although my phone now shows a 5G signal at 5 bars and theres no 5G tower withing a hundred miles of here. bonus! Niceeee! I'm still waiting for Spider Powers from my shot! I'm going to be selling cards on ebay for the first time. Time to get rid of my 1060 6gb cards and my Vega 64's which are mining fine but at 4 years old and out of warranty. Any tips on how to list? People seem to be charging lots of different shipping prices - how do you know what to charge? I'll be having a fun weekend cleaning and applying thermal paste on them. list them 1 at a time. restrict sales to usa assuming you live in usa. the big danger ⚠️ on ebay is a return if we have a crash. so scatter the listings one new one each day. as for shipping try free. and build in say 30 to the price. ie if you want 400 ask 429 free shipping. the cheapest i found was 350 + 15 shipping Thanks for the advice Phil. Do you just do buy it now? Or if your doing bids how long do you leave the bidding open? Thanks I do buy it now. How many do you have 2,3,4 or a lot 10,11,12. or a ton 20 or more. |
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Anyhow, I am having some trouble relating to anyone who has known about bitcoin, and who had been into BTC for 7 years or so to actually have only in the neighborhood of 1 BTC.. even though I do understand that there might be ways of explaining it, it seems to not be a very good example of how to approach this asset class.
Being poor, being born into a shit situation/location, living paycheck to paycheck, and sometimes not even that.. That’s why I have been so adamant about NOT selling, because these lottery tickets are basically irreplaceable.. Were, even at sub 10k levels.. I’ve managed to get and hold onto more than one, but any pragmatic person in many of my past situations would have sold them all to keep up in real life, but I did not, and still will not.. I’m doing much better these days, but not everyone have disposable income for wild investments.. On another note, I bet half or more of DT1 on this forum can’t even sign a half a Bitcoin, much less one whole Bitcoin.. Many not even 1/4 or even 1/10th a coin.. How do you feel about most of the democratically elected community leadership on this forum (DT) don’t even have any skin in the game? Especially the 3rd world althunter circle with +10 positive trust each in a circlejerk for “finding alts” and being obsessed with leaving red tags.. Most not even having 1/4mm sat to rub together.. Doesn’t seem like the most optimal situation to me.. What do you think? I should have more than I do. But I have finally managed to position myself with mining to have a very good year. I have a very good income stream setup now from the mining. I could retire and in a way I have retired other than running the mining farms. At 64 I want to continue mining and stacking until 70. So I have skin in the game. A lot of gear I gave away 10-12 btc in the difficulty promos I ran for years to promote BTC. Although Suchmoon did give me about 5 of the 12 coins to give away. I used to use my signature to earn btc to give it away. I now do not have a signature actually a lot of Bitcointalk is people making $$ from signatures. It was a very different game in the 2012-2016 era After 2017 it was and is a large business. |
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Just got shot 1 of pfizer vaccine.
Wish me luck.
i had my 1st shot (pfizer) already get my 2nd tomorrow. i feel fine. although my phone now shows a 5G signal at 5 bars and theres no 5G tower withing a hundred miles of here. bonus! Niceeee! I'm still waiting for Spider Powers from my shot! I'm going to be selling cards on ebay for the first time. Time to get rid of my 1060 6gb cards and my Vega 64's which are mining fine but at 4 years old and out of warranty. Any tips on how to list? People seem to be charging lots of different shipping prices - how do you know what to charge? I'll be having a fun weekend cleaning and applying thermal paste on them. list them 1 at a time. restrict sales to usa assuming you live in usa. the big danger ⚠️ on ebay is a return if we have a crash. so scatter the listings one new one each day. as for shipping try free. and build in say 30 to the price. ie if you want 400 ask 429 free shipping. the cheapest i found was 350 + 15 shipping |
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I love waking up to a new ATH, these super pump years every four years gives me such a rush.
Too bad the coming year, with it's year long dump, will do the opposite, or will it?
I will try to sell the top-ish and park the money in stocks for the coming bear year, let's see if that can't give some kind of similar feeling, at least it will hopefully lessen the "down" feeling (if I pick the right stocks).
I'm thinking something stable and somewhat boring, like Ericson.
Don't worry, it's only for a year, then I'll be all in on bitcoin again, just parking my money to save it from the bear year.
Sounds risky to me. Nah, even if the stonks should dump they probably won't dump as much as bitcoin traditionally does during the bear year. You might be right. In that scenario however I think it will be alts that would face the biggest exists. I mean, the Dogecoin rallies. Really? Because it is well backed by hard iron = ie lots of asics. If you believe in satoshi that pow and decentralized structure is good (ie BTC) than the step to have some belief for LTC/Doge merge mined coins does exist. Basically almost no coins other than BTC make sense but LTC/Doge do if you believe that pow and decentralized structure works. I did not bring up the subject of an alt coin you did. I was asked not to talk about alts in this thread a while back. So I simply ask you to do the same. BTW I cash in Doge yesterday and today. I convert them into LTC. I then sold some of the LTC in fiat and the rest into you guess it BTC. Please do me a favor and do not talk about DOGE or LTC. If you mine Doge/LTC like I do it is a way to get discounted BTC that is why DOGE rallies. Here is the math. 20x L3+ miners earn 61 usd a day in ltc and now 39 usd a day in Doge that is 100 usd a day. they burn 336 kwatts to do it. so at 10 cent power 100-33.6 = 66.4 profit. or I pay 33.6 cent on the dollar for that coin which I change into BTC That means I buy btc at 21504 a coin. With 10 cent power And I buy Btc at 10752 with 5 cent power. That is why Doge rallies along with LTC I will make you a deal and not defend doge it you do not talk about it here. This is not about ego bro it is simply why DOGE whales along with LTC. |
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Just got shot 1 of pfizer vaccine.
Wish me luck.
i had my 1st shot (pfizer) already get my 2nd tomorrow. i feel fine. although my phone now shows a 5G signal at 5 bars and theres no 5G tower withing a hundred miles of here. bonus! Niceeee! |
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I have a hand full of windows rigs (5) and over the years with under 100 cards used maybe 35 runaway clock drops to top power.
Just curious, did you use any mining OS on Windows or operated all rigs manually? Also, did you use Afterburner for overclocking? okay windows 7 windows 10 using afterburner using trixx using zotac using asus all of them have dropped settings over the years. smos almost never does. @fk2. tommorow I will link cables and meter that should work. the best thing to make sure for windows settings to stick is never update never boot and have indentical gpus. |
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We're back! Jackpot! BitStamp USD/BTC CoinFloor GBP/BTC Kraken EUR/BTC Kraken CAD/BTC Bitflyer JPY/BTC
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1 2021-04-13 62,142 | 1 2021-04-13 45,647 | 1 2021-04-13 52,306 | 1 2021-04-13 78,058 | 1 2021-04-13 6,799,412
2 2021-03-14 60,429 | 2 2021-04-12 43,765 | 2 2021-04-12 50,496 | 2 2021-04-12 75,166 | 2 2021-04-12 6,595,727
Not only that, but we surpassed all the previous highs by about 2k, except JPY which was up by about 200k. Go Bitcoin go. We are also making April 2021 the greatest month so far in all of BTC. April may become the first of many months to completely stay over 56k. I am very impressed. |
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shuffle gave me
“ you were not selected “
oh well for April 5
oh well for April 6 oh well for April 7 oh well for April 8 oh well for April 9 oh well for April 10 oh well for April 13 0 for 7 since the Last hit on April 1 Newegg.com - Philip, Congrats! You’ve Been Selected In The Newegg Shuffle the good news is doge is up to 12 cents. I have laddered it upwards so I sold some at 8.9 ,9.9, 10.9, 11.9 truly stunning numbers. As good As I did I was a bit too quick to offload most at about a 5 cent average. can’t complain. I am mining it an it is amazing that my l3+ gear is stupid good. 2 l3+ make 7 in ltc and 3 in doge daily. 10 bucks a day for 38kwatts. |
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