First off this section is btc only so I asked the mods to move it to alt coins.

As to your question there are

 l3  real short gear runs at 250 hash

 l3+ longer gear runs at 500 hash


 l3++ same gear as l3+ but sightly different hardware.

So if you have l3+ and can get them to fit in the case they will interchange and should work

See if they slide into the case and fire it up it should work.

I enter newegg shuffles and buy when they come in. So far they have sold me

Asus tuf 3070
Asus strix amd 6700 xt
Msi Ultimate 6800 xt
Evga  Rtx 3060 3657-kr
Msi  Suprim Rtx 3070
Evga Rtx 3070  3755-kr
Evga Rtx 3090 3987-kr

I entered every one but 1 from Jan 23 to now 6 of 30+  were a hit.

The cards came to about 2100 + 700 + 880 + 430 + 1200 + 900 +895 + 830

or say 7935 usd all this year.

they hash about 400mh  eth and 40 mh octopus

thus it is 44 usd + 2 = 46 usd  for about 900 watts

compare to an s19pro 13k if lucky burns 3300 watts and makes about 40 usd before power

So in 200 days with luck I earn 9200 and spend 4320kwatts  at 20 cents = 864

9200- 864 = 8336 which is about 400 ahead and all that gear by Nov 26  2021

ETH has one major flaw it is a one man show.

So if he dies today what happens to ETH ?

A war for control.

Thus no matter how much you believe in ETH this factor will exist until the leader of ETH dies.

So a full hodl carries that additional risk.

The real question is what do I do with my ETH profits.

well lets say all the gear is paid off.

Sell enough for power and maintenance.
sell some for small extpansion.
exchange some for btc.
sell some for profit.


I am making about 5000 profit a month
I only buy newegg shuffle cards as they are close to msrp.
I buy 1000 in cards each month.
I cash 1000 for power
I cash 1000 for btc.
I cash 1000 for profit ie cash in the bank.

this leaves me 1000 which is either hodl as eth or spent a a newegg shuffle card.

But my power setup is more complex then most and allows me to buy cards without fearmof them ever becoming not profitable. they would become less profit but never negative.

It simply varies for miners and their power deals.

You could argue they are worth 350 for one easy if you have 5 cent power 2 at 700 will earn 1216 in 6 months.

The way 2021 is unfolding we could have the longest up year for mining.



Best steak of up quarters was

2016 4th
2017 1st
2017 2nd
2017 3rd
2017 4th

 we are now
2020 2nd
2020 3rd
2020 4th
2021 1st

I can see this going for
2021 2nd
2021 3rd
2021 4th
2022 1st

It will tank.

But the chip shortage is real and not going away.

If we do the above as good as it is today it will be at least 2x better by march 31 2022 maybe 3x better.

Okay 5th of may sounds good I will be sure to have some drinks ready for Cinco De Mayo and Apollo BTC miner

He is talking about the mandela effect.

My memory swears that Laurence Talyor former New York Football great Died of an Od once he retired.

But if you check this timeline he is still alive.

Mandela Effect would be Mandela died in prison but in this time line he lived and became the prez of south africa.

The forest grump memory i have is “life is like a box of chocolates “

Well if we tank I buy. I am set to buy at 52k 51k 50k 49k.

Okay so a question are we there yet?

April 15th date?
April  30th date?
May ? 

when do we get gear shipped.

Well so far I look smart.


Now it is early.  But picture 3 huge cloud mining outfits.

With gear they built on the cheap (ie bitmain)

and they leased 70% of the eth gear they made along with 70% of the btc gear they made.

Why not lease all of it well power shortages and it lets them lose the edge since that 30%+30% is mining against their own gear.

instead they put out 70+70 and shift the unused gear to what ever earns more per watt.

ie they have 7 of 10 eth miners doing 3300 watts each = 23100 watts
they have 7 of 10 btc miners doing 3300 watts each = 23100 watts.

3 idle miners for eth
3 idle miners for btc


so they simply shut off either 3 of the eth miners or 3 of the btc miners and turn on the other ones.

So 3 x 270 usd = 810 usd for the 3 idle eth miners
or 3 x 40 usd = 120 usd for the 3 idle btc miners.

So my guess is they just shut off a ton of btc miners and turn on a ton of eth miners thus btc hash rate/diff drops 5%

lets look at eth hashrate/diff


https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate

onwards and upwards

" Highest Avg Hash Rate of 490,883.6004 GH/s was recorded on Friday, April 2, 2021 "


there is no way. that what I am saying is not happening.

hope they continue to do it.
As it helps with btc prices to go upwards

and packs down eth price a bit.

Since I am pro btc and anti eth it works for me.

Rules of thread be somewhat polite.

any  coin can be discussed.
any wealth of any kind can be discussed.

So how do you judge a market and try to gather up your wealth. Either defend what you have or add to what you have.

Do you say we are turning bull?
Do you say we are turning bear?

Do you try to to be Minotaur. ie a thinking bull.

Sideways with an upwards drift while very nice becomes boring.

This shows you do not know much about mining which is okay everyone needs to learn.

I simply ask is it coming to you in under 10-20 days or is it a long wait?

If you get it in under 10-20 days you may as well go for it.



you could buy 6x s9 used units.  at 600 each with a psu they are 3600 usd

 they will do 78th and burn 7200 watts

78 x .35 = 27.30 see viabtc.com = https://www.viabtc.com/

7.2 x 24 = 173-175 kwatts a day x .08 = 14 usd

27.30 - 14 = 13.30 profit.

6 x 600 = 3600 for 6 s9's

3600/13.30 = 270 days to break even

they take up more room but are a tiny bit quieter .

would I buy the s9's for 3600 or the m31s for 8000.

I would more likely buy the s9's. but my power is 1/2 the coins.  not 8 cents.

I rather lose 3600 worst case than lose 8000 worst case.

remember if your 8000 unit fails your hash rate = 0
if my units fail I drop from

 78 to 65  1 unit   dead.
 78 to 52  2 units dead.

so on and so forth.

It is not an easy call what to do in your case.

So VIABTC  numbers are

BTC $0.3508 /T @ 59370 a coin
BCH $0.3558 /T @ 581 a coin
ETH $0.1133 /M @ 2112.4 USD a coin
LTC $5.6733 /G @ 214.37 USD a coin. and this does not include the DOGE you get!




So 2 l3+ doing 1 gh will earn 1 ltc in about 39 days also 2000 doge

with proper clocks they do only 1500 watts or 1404/1500 kwatts for those 39 days.

1 ltc is 215
2000 doge is  120 so 335 earned and 150 burned if you have 10 cent power.
110 net at 15 cent power.  1029 year pay out
185 net at 10 cent power.  1731 year pay out
260 net at   5 cent power.  2433 year pay out

for 2x l3+. quite amazing.

braiins has shown to work better for the 10 s9's and the  one testing s17. That I loaded braiins to.

eventually I will place more gear on braiins.

I have been neglecting sha 256 asic gear and mining due to the gpu/eth boom.

I can still get an occasional gpu close to msrp. Mine eth and swap to cash /BTC  

I Just did that this morning converted 600 in eth to 300 in btc and 300 in cash

So my attention is grabbed by gpus more than asics. Due to superior profits available to gpu miners.

I like braiins and eventually will likely end up with most of my asic gear using it.

Finally a 59k instead of a 58k.

One more day of solid profit.

Lets do it again and again and again.

Well as a miner stacking corn 🌽. I always get my corn on a discount.

So my approach will always be closer to middle of the road vs skys the limit.

Also at 64 my long term outlook will be jaded by time.
ie Oldest male on both sides of my family made it to 93 so I have a 30 year window if lucky.

I would say I am not a bear for sure.

But most likely not a bull more like a Minotaur.

If a Minotaur has more ability to think rationally then a bull.

I would think the eight positive quarter wish is possible in this run.

I think this run will be long and slow due to the covid 19 money printing combined with the chip shortage.

Both are world wide issues. It may simply lower the rate of gain to the elusive top and at the same time lenghten the time it takes to top out. So why not have an eight quarter or two year run.
We could do it as for the odds I have no  idea.

LOWER watts a bit and lower ram a bit.

the ram temp numbers you have are very hard on the gear.

try and get some more fans to hit the backs of the gpu's.



Try 900 ram
Try 10 watts less on each gpu.

you will get much better use of the gear if the ram temps drop under 80c

yeah you will lose some hash.  but better to lose some hash then lose the gear for an rma.

So 5 uppity quarters from 2016 and all of 2017

so how about 8 upppity quarters from 2020 and all of 2021 and 1st quarter 2022

along with "again"