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10441  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Call for Israel to accept more refugees on: September 05, 2015, 02:52:00 PM
Israel risks damaging its international reputation by turning a blind eye to these desperate refugees.

LOL. What reputation is that? A fascist terror state? Israel doesn't care about anyone else but themselves and their own people. They would flatten Palestine if they thought they could get away with it (and they're doing a pretty good job of slowly suffocating it into non existence right now.

Although the statement "Flatten Palestine!" has NEVER been made by Israel or Jewish clerics (and hence rings completely false), statements such as ...

"Kill All The Jews"
"Destroy Isreal"

...are accepted and commonplace.  Let's take a look at just some of these statements in 2013.

1. “Israel’s leaders sometimes threaten Iran, but they know that if they do a damn thing, the Islamic Republic will raze Tel Aviv and Haifa to the ground.”

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran

2. “The Imam [Khomeini] set long-term goals for the day the occupying Zionist regime is no longer in the region. The formula for this move must be discussed in the government.”

Hasan Rouhani, President of Iran.

3. “The Army of Iran can by itself destroy Israel.”

Maj. Gen. Ataollah Salehi, Commander-in-Chief of the Iranian Army

4. “According to the Supreme Leader’s statement marking Nowruz, if Israel acts foolishly, Tel Aviv and Haifa will be annihilated….The armed forces are prepared with all their power to execute the orders of the Supreme Leader in minimum time.”

Gen. Mohammad Hejazi, Deputy Chief of Staff
5. “Our battalions are named Imam Ali, Imam Hussein and Bayt al-Maqdis [Jerusalem] to clarify our final destination to the Basiji. We will not abandon our [armed] struggle until the annihilation of Israel and until we will be able to pray in al-Aqsa mosque.”

Brig. Gen. Mohammad Reza Naqdi, Commander of the Basij militia
6. “The enemies are talking about the options [they have] on the table. They should know that the first option on our table is the annihilation of Israel.”

Ayatollah Hossein Nouri Hamedani, Lecturer at religious seminary in Qom
Ayatollah Hossein Nouri Hamedani, Lecturer at religious seminary in Qom
7. “We must spare no effort in liberating holy Jerusalem and cutting off the hands of the infidels from this holy site.”

Ayatollah Mohammad Reza Mahdavi Kani, Assembly of Experts Chairman
8. “The Zionist regime will soon be destroyed, and this generation will be witness to its destruction.”

Hojatoleslam Ali Shirazi, Supreme Leader’s representative in the Revolutionary Guards
9. “The issue of Palestine is an Islamic issue. The Islamic world must come together to destroy the false Israeli regime….If this happens, nothing will be left of Israel.”

Ayatollah Mohammed Ali Movahedi-Kermani, Tehran’s interim Friday Imam
10. “As the Supreme Leader has stated, if the Zionists cause any problems for Iran, Haifa and Tel Aviv will be annihilated.”

Maj. Gen. Yahya Rahim Safavi, Senior Military Adviser to the Supreme Leader
11. “Iran has long-range missiles that can reach 1,500 kilometers….The Supreme Leader maintained that ‘every combatant Palestinian group that fights the Zionist regime will receive the support of the Iranian regime.’”

Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami, Member of the Presidium of the Assembly of Experts
12. “The only way to subdue the enemies is by refusing to compromise on the goals of the resistance and to remain strong; the future of criminal nations such as the Zionists will be erased from the history books.”

Hojatoleslam Mohammad Hassan Akhtari, Hizbullah Operations Liaison, Former Ambassador to Syria
13. “If once the destruction and demise of occupying Israel was an impossible and unattainable dream, today thanks to the historic and intelligent actions of Imam Khomeini, it has become possible and is actually in the process of occurring.”

Iranian Ministry of Defense statement
14. “The day will come when the Islamic people in the region will destroy Israel and save the world from this Zionist base.”

Hojateleslam Alireza Panahian, Advisor to Office of the Supreme Leader in Universities
15. “The day is near in which the sword of resistance and Islamic Awakening will cut off the blood supply of the occupiers of the holy land of Palestine.”

Revolutionary Guards statement
16. “Every Muslim who does not want to fight Israel is violating religious law and essentially forgetting Israel’s crimes over the past 60 years on Islamic soil.”

Mohammad Dehghan, Member of the Majlis Executive Committee
17. “The only solution to the Palestine problem is the destruction of the Zionist regime….We view the wondrous resistance as the only way towards a victorious and inspiring battle against the false, illegitimate Zionist regime.”

Basij organization media outlet, Fars Province
18. “[The United States and Israel] should not make a mistake, because if they make even the smallest mistake, we will not remain silent and will annihilate Haifa and Tel Aviv.

Esmail Kowsari, Deputy Chairman of the Majlis Foreign Policy Commission
19. “The destruction of Israel is the idea of the Islamic Revolution in Iran and is one of the pillars of the Iranian Islamic regime. We cannot claim that we have no intention of going to war with Israel!”
10442  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 05, 2015, 12:42:50 PM
Another video for general consideration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zt1oTYhcgo

Take especially note of how a wooden telephone pole cuts off an aitplane wing in a real-life crush-test simulation:
https://youtu.be/2zt1oTYhcgo?t=65

Apparently the logic here is "If a wooden telephone pole cuts an airplane wing off in a ground test, then a jet ramming a building cannot cut the 14" steel beams."

The right way to figure this is simply impact velocity and total momentum of impact, which is based on the ballistic coefficient.  At time of impact of high velocity aluminum with a steel beam, the aluminum instantly turns to liquid and continues forward in the same direction.   One example is waterjet cutters.  High velocity water cuts steel, stone, etc.

Analogy with the tree is false due to difference in impact velocities.  Tree impact looks like at the most 100 mph, jets hitting skyscrapers more than four times that.  Remember that each doubling of the speed quadruples the momentum.....

I do remember that. However, your analogy to water jet is false as the aluminium, even if it got liquefied, would also become dispersed  from contact with uneven surfaces - quite the opposite from a directed water jet. Also remember that the mass of the engines and the mass of the wingtips is different, with different thicness and breaking point : there would have been distortion and would not have gotten the perfect cartoon-cut-out, but rather a jumble of damage, even if your water-jet therory was right.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8714
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8764

Someone rally should do an experiment - accelerate an airplane wing to 400 mph (or maybe slightly less - at that speed the airplane would have already been unstable at such a low altitude) and run it into a steel beam.

And I love it when people do experiments. Here' some more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvQDFV1HINw



B52 aircraft routinely flew just a couple hundred feet above the ground at Mach 0.5, which is about 375 miles per hour, about 500 feet per second.  Waterjet cutters velocity of water stream is 1000 feet per second and higher.  The analogy to waterjet cutters is correct, the jet stream simply has a velocity and a momentum component.

You happen to be wrong about (bolded above).  Ever heard it said that a person falling off a bridge into water hits a surface as hard as concrete?  It's strictly a matter of momentum and inertia.  A "liquid" like kerosene at 500 feet per second tends to continue going  exactly in the direct of its momentum.  It does not just "flow around things," on the contrary diverting that stream takes energy.

You are proving the opposite of what you think is true.
10443  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Call for Israel to accept more refugees on: September 05, 2015, 03:41:54 AM
If anyone's interested:

Quote
As one of the richest and most prosperous countries in the Middle East, Israel has a responsibility to do more to help those fleeing war. Israel risks damaging its international reputation by turning a blind eye to these desperate refugees.

Israel was founded by survivors of the Holocaust. The world turned a blind eye to the suffering of the Jewish people; we cannot do the same when others are in desperate need. We must honor the founding principles of Israel by welcoming all who are being persecuted, not matter their race, religion or country of origin.

https://www.change.org/p/benjamin-netanyahu-call-for-israel-to-accept-more-refugees

Apparently not many people are interested.  Only 75 have signed the petition.
10444  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Nationality in the cloud: US clashes with Microsoft on seizing data from abroad on: September 05, 2015, 03:38:52 AM
Sure data stored "in the cloud" has Nationality.

Data stored "in the cloud" isn't actually stored in the air or outside of any Nation's boundaries, it's stored in servers (just like big data has always been stored). The question is where are those servers located and what laws apply to the jurisdiction of the location of the servers or the location of the company that owns the data or the client that owns the data or the company that provides the servers.
What is wrong in a future oriented sense in your statements is that data should float between nationalities, with no segment of a meaningful whole within one country's boundary.  And it should be "owned" by no company.
10445  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 05, 2015, 03:34:32 AM
flight 93

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vV3fjfeb9Q

so now explain the phone calls on the hijacked plane made to loved ones..
remember the passengers on the plain tackled the hijackers and brought it down..
but now Dick Chaney saying he give the order to shoot it down..

So?  It didn't get shot down.

What difference does it make what order he gave?

Two situations.

1.  "Fire at my command."
2.  "Fire at will."

#1 is almost always the way things work, look at how engagement in Afganishtan was handled.

So he set a standing order, more like #2.  But your video leaps then to the conclusion that "giving the order" implies "they shot it down on his order."  That makes NO SENSE.
He says he gave the order to shoot down a plane that was heading for Washington..
You work for something to do with government..spendy i know you do Grin Grin

plus explain the worker in the pentagon she said no plane hit the building..now she was there..
so now explain..
Dick chaney give the order to shoot a passenger plane that was heading to washington..
now ok lets say it was nothing to do with 9/11 ..
someone posted that imagine the government saying they shoot a passenger plane down there be hell fire..it be all over the news..
well he did say it and no its not a fake video..
try prove me wrong on the pentagon you just will not do it......

And one of my relatives had just walked out of the tower to the starbucks across the street when the plane hit.  So?

So Cheney gave an order, but that DOESN'T mean a jet shot the 4th plane down.  

Here's what the LA Times had to say about that.

...Cheney did not hesitate. He authorized fighter aircraft "to engage the inbound plane."

In the decision to issue a lethal order without precedent in American history -- to shoot down a plane filled with American civilians -- Cheney both struggled with the confusion of that morning and personified it, according to a staff report issued Thursday by the national commission investigating the terrorist attacks.

The order given by Cheney was never received by the fighter pilots, and, in the end, it came too late to interrupt the assault.

Perhaps in his haste to act -- President Bush was in Florida at the time -- Cheney might have shortcut White House protocol, the report said. The normal chain of command for military "engage" orders goes from the president to the secretary of Defense, and not through the vice president, it said.

Although Cheney said he conferred with the president before giving the order, the commission staff could not confirm that a phone call took place in that time frame. Several minutes after giving the order, Cheney informed Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld that he had done so.

"So we've got a couple of aircraft up there that have those instructions at the present time?" Rumsfeld asked.

"That is correct," Cheney replied. "And it's my understanding they've already taken a couple of aircraft out." That understanding turned out to be mistaken.


Anyway, SO WHAT?  I'm okay if the jets had rammed the planes.  They didn't have ammo IIRC, so that's what they would have had to do.  Meaning the pilots would have probably been killed.  But it didn't happen.  I can't see why something like this would have been covered up if it had happened.  People would understand that the MUSLIM TERRORISTS' EVIL INTENTIONS needed to be fought.


they shot it down ..he said he done it quickly  Wink Wink Wink watch and learn..

www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1BJQOHAs-M
plus you think your government covers nothing up ..Because you work for them Grin Grin

So where are all the pieces?

Pretty hard to hide a plane that's been shot down.

Pretty hard to hid the searchers for the debris.  There would be hundreds of them and dozens of helicopters.  Over a big area.  And body parts everywhere...

And since the fighter jets were not armed, they would have had to ram the planes.  Where are the pieces of the fighter jets?  What about the families of the dead pilots of the fighter jets?

I don't think you can present this theory well and make it hold up.  There are simply too many loose ends that won't wrap up nicely.  Too many flaws in the theory, for it to explain what happened.
10446  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 04, 2015, 06:06:06 PM
flight 93

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vV3fjfeb9Q

so now explain the phone calls on the hijacked plane made to loved ones..
remember the passengers on the plain tackled the hijackers and brought it down..
but now Dick Chaney saying he give the order to shoot it down..

So?  It didn't get shot down.

What difference does it make what order he gave?

Two situations.

1.  "Fire at my command."
2.  "Fire at will."

#1 is almost always the way things work, look at how engagement in Afganishtan was handled.

So he set a standing order, more like #2.  But your video leaps then to the conclusion that "giving the order" implies "they shot it down on his order."  That makes NO SENSE.
He says he gave the order to shoot down a plane that was heading for Washington..
You work for something to do with government..spendy i know you do Grin Grin

plus explain the worker in the pentagon she said no plane hit the building..now she was there..
so now explain..
Dick chaney give the order to shoot a passenger plane that was heading to washington..
now ok lets say it was nothing to do with 9/11 ..
someone posted that imagine the government saying they shoot a passenger plane down there be hell fire..it be all over the news..
well he did say it and no its not a fake video..
try prove me wrong on the pentagon you just will not do it......

And one of my relatives had just walked out of the tower to the starbucks across the street when the plane hit.  So?

So Cheney gave an order, but that DOESN'T mean a jet shot the 4th plane down.  

Here's what the LA Times had to say about that.

...Cheney did not hesitate. He authorized fighter aircraft "to engage the inbound plane."

In the decision to issue a lethal order without precedent in American history -- to shoot down a plane filled with American civilians -- Cheney both struggled with the confusion of that morning and personified it, according to a staff report issued Thursday by the national commission investigating the terrorist attacks.

The order given by Cheney was never received by the fighter pilots, and, in the end, it came too late to interrupt the assault.

Perhaps in his haste to act -- President Bush was in Florida at the time -- Cheney might have shortcut White House protocol, the report said. The normal chain of command for military "engage" orders goes from the president to the secretary of Defense, and not through the vice president, it said.

Although Cheney said he conferred with the president before giving the order, the commission staff could not confirm that a phone call took place in that time frame. Several minutes after giving the order, Cheney informed Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld that he had done so.

"So we've got a couple of aircraft up there that have those instructions at the present time?" Rumsfeld asked.

"That is correct," Cheney replied. "And it's my understanding they've already taken a couple of aircraft out." That understanding turned out to be mistaken.


Anyway, SO WHAT?  I'm okay if the jets had rammed the planes.  They didn't have ammo IIRC, so that's what they would have had to do.  Meaning the pilots would have probably been killed.  But it didn't happen.  I can't see why something like this would have been covered up if it had happened.  People would understand that the MUSLIM TERRORISTS' EVIL INTENTIONS needed to be fought.

10447  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 04, 2015, 05:35:54 PM
Another video for general consideration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zt1oTYhcgo

Take especially note of how a wooden telephone pole cuts off an aitplane wing in a real-life crush-test simulation:
https://youtu.be/2zt1oTYhcgo?t=65

Apparently the logic here is "If a wooden telephone pole cuts an airplane wing off in a ground test, then a jet ramming a building cannot cut the 14" steel beams."

The right way to figure this is simply impact velocity and total momentum of impact, which is based on the ballistic coefficient.  At time of impact of high velocity aluminum with a steel beam, the aluminum instantly turns to liquid and continues forward in the same direction.   One example is waterjet cutters.  High velocity water cuts steel, stone, etc.

Analogy with the tree is false due to difference in impact velocities.  Tree impact looks like at the most 100 mph, jets hitting skyscrapers more than four times that.  Remember that each doubling of the speed quadruples the momentum.....
10448  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 04, 2015, 02:10:54 PM
holy, can't believe 88% people are saying it was the government. that makes no sense, why would they do that?
oh go away dumbass Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
yer and the other 12% are stinking rich Wink Wink
im curious how does me having a different opinion than you make me a rich dumbass?
oh god i just realized its 88 people not 88% Embarrassed.
guess i am a dumbass

"You're in the wrong line!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c5iH_SWTg0
10449  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What Is A Social Justice Warrior (SJW)? on: September 04, 2015, 01:32:05 PM
I don't give a big F about that conflict because:

1. What you call "Palestinians" today are not from there, not any sort of "ancient inhabitants" of Israel as many may think, but an attempt to drop a "human bomb" against Zionism by the Ottoman Empire.
2. Well... today Palestinians aren't from there nor the most of Jews. The first Palestine was actually Jewish and the term comes from "pelesh" (invaders, occupants, dividers) to refer to those Jewish families that migrated there under the Zionist agenda.

So we've 2 invaders so to say. Who was there? And there we get to the root of lies; accordingly to the British consul at Jerusalem by 1860 there were about 15 thousand people in the town, of which about 8 thousand Jews, 4.5K Muslims and 2.5K Christians. Reports from other Western pilgrims follows this line; where is now Israel was a desert, almost nobody, just some Jews and nomad Arabs.
Oddly on 1890 the Ottoman census makes this figures about what's now Israel: 43K Jews, 57K Christians and 432K Muslims. But we have this entry from Mark Twain's travels:

Quote
"There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent (valley of Jezreel, Galilea); not for thirty miles in either direction... One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee... Nazareth is forlorn... Jericho lies a mouldering ruin... Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation... untenanted by any living creature... A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds... a silent, mournful expanse... a desolation... We never saw a human being on the whole route... Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil had almost deserted the country... Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes... desolate and unlovely...".

- Mark Twain, "The Innocents Abroad", 1867

So in 23 years they went from "nobody" to half million? Well... looks like the Ottomans counted nomads a couple of times to make them look more, because:

Quote
"There are many proofs, such as ancient ruins, broken aqueducts, and remains of old roads, which show that it has not always been so desolate as it seems now. In the portion of the plain between Mount Carmel and Jaffa one sees but rarely a village or other sights of human life. There are some rude mills here which are turned by the stream. A ride of half an hour more brought us to the ruins of the ancient city of Cæsarea, once a city of two hundred thousand inhabitants, and the Roman capital of Palestine, but now entirely deserted. As the sun was setting we gazed upon the desolate harbor, once filled with ships, and looked over the sea in vain for a single sail. In this once crowded mart, filled with the din of traffic, there was the silence of the desert. After our dinner we gathered in our tent as usual to talk over the incidents of the day, or the history of the locality. Yet it was sad, as I laid upon my couch at night, to listen to the moaning of the waves and to think of the desolation around us".

- B. W. Johnson, in "Young Folks in Bible Lands": Chapter IV, 1892 -

So to the end; BOTH Jews and Arabs are mostly immigrants there. The region is inhabitable, just the science of Israel allows mankind to live there on the current figures. So, they're facing a major challenge, the Nature, and wasting time fighting because some mfs wants "jizya"!

+1
10450  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 04, 2015, 01:30:00 PM
Probably not the most thrilling continuation to this thread but how about forget the whole thing ever happened and move on? Does it really matter at this point who did it? Everyone alive at the time it happened invariably learned something from it. Perhaps that whole mess happened just so you could learn that one thing.
Because people have agendas.  Because people that hate the Evil Jews, or the Great Satan, would like to cast doubt on reality, both making the objects of their hate look hateful, and diverting attention from killers, murderers and terrorists.
10451  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What Is A Social Justice Warrior (SJW)? on: September 04, 2015, 01:08:41 AM
Well, on that Israel issue, which we could well call the war of all lies, is to see how easy it can be to forge news these days!
This is basically because no journalist checks sources or do any field work, they just keep translating and passing on the primary source without any review at all.

The latest "Pallyhood" production is this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndBNsE_ZUGU

1. As we can see, and at the beginning we get a nearly 360º view, there's nobody around but the kid and the supposed IDF soldier.
2. For anyone, as me, who was a soldier wouldn't be hard to notice the soldier is neither on proper gear nor action, is just an actor with a poor IDF-like uniform.
3. Also supposedly the kid was throwing stones at IDF soldiers, but as we can see at #1: What soldiers?!
4. The Palestinians who were also throwing stones at the soldiers when given the chance of hit him with a rock and send him to meet the creator, just go on a soft struggle to take his mask (not even his weapon).
5. Last but not least, The Daily Mirror went as far as made up "declarations of an IDF spokesperson" about the situation... obviously such declarations or any reference to the incident are nowhere to be found at IDF's official blog.

BTW, don't miss the carnival bomb the other soldier throws.  Grin
That's totally a stupid video.  

No, those are not soldiers.  Not only are they not IDF soldiers, they are not any kind of soldiers.

By the way, one reason I am not sympathetic to the Demands of Palestine is that, well Pakistan was formed about the same time with 10x the number of refugees.  So why no outrage there?

Then there's Arafat. 
10452  Other / Politics & Society / Re: OLDEST KORAN ‘DESTABILISES’ ISLAMIC HISTORY, SCIENTISTS SAY IT PRE-DATES MOHAMED on: September 04, 2015, 12:53:18 AM
Then the carbon dating data would point to a period after 1815, not before the birth of mohamed, when, I believe, few american indians would be using coal for their iron horses...

No, if it got contaminated with "old coal" like the smoke of black coal or anthracite (low C14) then it changes the C12/C14 ratio in favour of C12, therefore the carbon dating will show it older. If you burning "new coal" like logs, peat (C14 is still high) it will modify the ratio in favour of C14 so the dating will show it newer then it's real age.
Then those scientists did not know what they were doing and will be tarred and feathered soon...
All these factors are taken into account when testing a sample. With velum it may involve meticulous scrubbing of the sample and/or solvent baths. It's not my expertise, but my wife is a medieval historian who works with theses kinds of documents all the time. 

I figured it out.  The Big Guy In The Sky sent Gabriel down at the right time, but he decided to go visit his old buddy Angel that ran the Dark Side, and got thouroughly smashed on some pretty good crack. Stayed around down there for a while and lost track of time.  But see, down there time runs backward, that's how they get to experience hell fire over and over.  So that time ran backwards, and he was hitting some pretty good shit.

Hey, what's a hundred years or two? 
10453  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 04, 2015, 12:44:26 AM
flight 93

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vV3fjfeb9Q

so now explain the phone calls on the hijacked plane made to loved ones..
remember the passengers on the plain tackled the hijackers and brought it down..
but now Dick Chaney saying he give the order to shoot it down..

So?  It didn't get shot down.

What difference does it make what order he gave?

Two situations.

1.  "Fire at my command."
2.  "Fire at will."

#1 is almost always the way things work, look at how engagement in Afganishtan was handled.

So he set a standing order, more like #2.  But your video leaps then to the conclusion that "giving the order" implies "they shot it down on his order."  That makes NO SENSE.
10454  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What Is A Social Justice Warrior (SJW)? on: September 03, 2015, 11:01:15 PM
But why can't they just compromise with the Palestinians?  All the Israelis would have to do is just all die, what's so hard about that? 







I hope I got the ironic tone right...
 Grin Cheesy Grin



Well, ya.  Actually I'd like to go visit the "Holy Lands" (Israel) sometime.  I'm sure I'd be welcome as a friendly Atheist.  Betcha lots of the people there would be right on the same wavelength.

Mecca now.....
10455  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 03, 2015, 10:56:11 PM
01/01/0000
Nothing happened.

01/02/0000
Nothing happened.

01/03/0000
Nothing happened.

01/04/0000
Nothing happened.

↓↓↓ - Nothing happened.

09/07/2001
Nothing happened.

09/08/2001
Nothing happened.

09/09/2001
Nothing happened.

09/10/2001
Nothing happened.


09/11/2001

An airplane crashes into North Tower and brings it down even though it is designed to withstand a plane crash.

An airplane crashes into South Tower and brings it down even though it is designed to withstand a plane crash.

Building 7 collapses for no reason.

An airplane crashes into the ground, but the crash hole is way too small, debris is scattered over several miles, there is no debris that resembles an airplane.

An airplane crashes into into the Pentagon, but leaves little debris, and no engine holes in the place where it crashed.

There are all kinds of cellphone calls from the airplanes when there couldn't have been because the phones were out of range of the cell towers.

In addition, there are tons of oddities about the whole day regarding the plane crashes and the building collapses. Google "Americans for 911 truth." Visit http://www.ae911truth.org/ and http://www.911truth.org/the-top-40-reasons-to-doubt-the-offical-story/ and many more in the Google search.


09/12/2001
Nothing happened.

09/13/2001
Nothing happened.

09/14/2001
Nothing happened.

09/15/2001
Nothing happened.

↓↓↓ - Nothing happened.

The present.
Nothing happened.


Yup! That 9/11 day was just an ordinary day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drqiDd2KA1U


Smiley
Actually your rendition here is remarkably similar to Nassab Taleb's introductory story in "Black Swan," about the turkeys.

Read a summary of it here.

http://www.mymoneyblog.com/talebs-thanksgiving-turkey.html

You see, the facts you have presented imply the exact opposite of what you think they do.
10456  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 03, 2015, 08:23:32 PM
When you put everything together that happened that day, there is no way that 9/11 could NOT be an inside job, at least in part. Probability is entirely against it.

In addition, some of the pure science of some of the things that happened may be entirely accurate. But when you add the way that the things happened, pure science doesn't apply.

Smiley

NO.

Science and math apply where ever they apply without qualifications.

You may not LIKE the fact that stastistics rules the behavior of a slot machine.  You may think it's a valient adventure, man against slot machine, and if you pick the right one - if you carefully watch it and size it up - your intuition will will.

It will not.  The machine operates on very simply principles and all the crap in your head does not change it one bit.

Perhaps you've simply been fooled by randomness?

http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/

I agree. Science and math apply wherever. But take this example to see what I mean.

There are a bunch of circumstances that you can apply science and math to. They are represented by the following smileys.
 Smiley Wink Cheesy Grin Angry Sad Shocked Cool Huh Roll Eyes Tongue Embarrassed Lips sealed Undecided Kiss Cry

Each circumstance has some science and math that can be applied to it to show what the circumstance is all about. However, when science and math are applied to one or more of the circumstances acting in concert, the result of the science and math may change the outcome from what it would be if you applied it to each circumstance individually. But...

Even if the science and math produced the exact same outcome or result in concert as would have happened individually, the understanding of what happened changes with observation of the many simultaneously, as opposed to observation of each individually without the others taken into consideration.

When you combine all the circumstances of 9/11, simple science and math of the individual parts does not give you the same observation as received when you observe each circumstance alone. The combination shows an inside job, whereas any one of them alone might show pure happenstance.

The things that happened on 9/11 did not happen alone, all isolated from each other. They happened in connection with each other in ways that would be impossible to happen without 9/11 being an inside job.

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You're being confused by statistics. Don't worry, we humans find certain statistical outcomes hard to imagine - just look at The Birthday Problem.

It doesn't make sense to assume an event is very unlikely if you use certain statistics after the event occurred, especially if you are incorporating an initial unproven hypothesis. In your case, I think you're cherry-picking what seem like unlikely events (such as the falling WTC7, and the way the main buildings fell) to fit with your preconceived hypothesis of an inside job.

These events are only "accumulatively important" if there is some underlying concrete link - you can't use them as evidence for an initial hypothesis based on the hypothesis itself. If there was some underlying concrete evidence for the initial hypothesis, then this type of circumstantial evidence could be valid and could even strengthen the case.

As it stands, the various statistics are not linked, so the the final combination does not point to significantly more likelihood of an inside job.

Here's an analogy about how events can seem more unlikely when we misinterpret the stats:

A guy accidentally falls off a cliff. 10,000 people die worldwide in this way (arbitrary figure). Shit happens.

But then someone says "But he was wearing blue socks and sandals! Only 1 other person has ever fallen off a cliff wearing these." And someone else says "That's really unlikely, Maybe he was pushed. He went to this nearby shop the same day which sells blue socks and sandals, bet they've got something to do with this MURDER!"

Do you see the parallel? The first guy took an irrelevant statistic to make the event look more unlikely than it was, and the second guy took this unlikelihood to question the "official story" of accidental death, and to link the event spuriously to another party.
That's all partly true HOWEVER - If I refute the statement "It's highly unlikely that being struck by a jet loaded with fuel would cause a skyscraper to fall" and show that in fact it's entirely likely it would, that is falsified and doesn't even add to the likely or unlikely accumulation of odd statistical events.

I would argue that the alleged accumulation of odd statistical events is actually not even odd and does not accumulate much at all.

EG, some people start a war.  On the first day of the offensive "odd things happen."

Really?  What the hell would one expect?
10457  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What Is A Social Justice Warrior (SJW)? on: September 03, 2015, 08:14:40 PM
Any of a large number of threads on this forum suggest a much lower bar for hostility and violence against Jews than other groups.  This is both explicit and implicit, both purposeful and unintentional.   Quite an interesting phenomena.

So, just asking what do with Jews then is "lowering the bar"?! This sounds a LOT like "either you're pro-Jew or pro-Palestinian". How about "what the heck do I care about that"?!
That's my attitude entirely.  I am only noting that of posters, a fair minority are highly "anti Jew."  We can presume their nationalities and religious beliefs pretty easily.  But you really don't run into a  lot of "Anti Jordanians" or "Anti-Egypt" or "Anti-Palestine" voices.

As just one example, Muslims would like to play the "Victim" card.  They are victims, they say - of Islamophobia.  They will say this with a straight face and in the next paragraph display JewPhobia.  Essentially the message is "I play victim," "you/they can't."

They will say "Respect (my) religion, don't insult Mohammed," then literally erupt with hatred and slander of Israel.
10458  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 03, 2015, 08:11:10 PM

Congradulations, this is much better looking than other links that have been provided.

It's the same basic arguments, though.  The "Evil Jews".  Notably lots of facts and references completely missing.   Presents "Innuendo" as "Evidence."

Seems to purport that Evil Jews planted explosives, too.  So as far as the physical aspects of the theory this is pretty much bunko - assuming the planes were a cover for the explosives going off.

Well, does working the Web trying to spread the Evil Jews Theories pay well?

Just curious.
10459  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What Is A Social Justice Warrior (SJW)? on: September 03, 2015, 03:24:48 PM
Well, people in general just wants to be good. The issue is on how can you be good without being mean?
As pointed early, it's somewhat funny to listen to folks with an assassin printed in the shirt (Che Guevara) complaining about Nazis, ignoring they are way alike.
You also get it from those "I support Palestine due to Human Rights violations and yada yada" -> so the Jews must be killed without appeal? Aren't they human also? Or simply have no rights? Or is these people just a group of morons?

Maybe one day people will learn to simply analyze decisions and potential outcomes, other than take one side and being good for that side regardless how hazardous the outcome may be... and then aliens may finally make contact with us.  Grin

I agree with "moron-ism" for classify those fashion-followers "useful idiots".
Any of a large number of threads on this forum suggest a much lower bar for hostility and violence against Jews than other groups.  This is both explicit and implicit, both purposeful and unintentional.   Quite an interesting phenomena.
10460  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: September 03, 2015, 02:37:57 PM
Every crime is an "inside job". There are people who have some access or authority that they use to do something.

The question with 911 is "who are the inside people, those who abused some access or authority?"

Was it the Muslim hijackers who abused their access to commercial flights?

Was it Zios / Neoscum who abused their access to buildings and perhaps even "access" to Muslim hijackers?

Was it U.S. Militards who abused their access to numerous things?

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Or was it a bunch of scum sucking cancer fucks who had some influence on all of the above groups and carefully arranged for Afghanistan to resume production of a commodity that is largely controlled by the only people who have the ability to brainfuck each of the above groups into believing they are acting on some higher motive?


This is complete nonsense.

The thing to understand about 911 is not theories of how it might not have been Islamic terrorism that killed over 3,000 people, but how it was Islamic terrorism that killed over 3,000 people.

This helps one to understand the major threat to world peace today.

Long ago some very shrew people known as Jews infiltrated our United States government. Whether or not they were really Jews is a big question. But, they did it to control banking and rule the world. Today we have what is known as the Federal Reserve bank. It is destroying the world economy, even as it made the world economy great in past times.

What does this have to do with 9/11? The Jews are basically from the Middle East as far as original heritage goes. Even though their religion is not the wicked thing that Islam is, they can be extremely shrew when they need... or want. The Middle East Muslims have waked up to this shrewdness... which was always in them, but was not active like that of the Jews.

Now our government has been infiltrated not only by the Jews, but by the Muslims, as well. It's the only way Muslims could have pulled off 9/11. It was an inside job. If it was done by Muslims, it's because they have infiltrated our government, like sleeper agents, right under the noses of our Jewish masters, and have done the same kinds of things that our Jewish masters have been doing to us for ages.

In fact, both the Jews and the Muslims were happy about 9/11 for different reasons. People from both groups were seen rejoicing when the Towers came down.

Smiley

Hey, another "It's the Evil Jews" theorist.

But, unfortunately, there is zero need for "infiltration of the government" for "pulling off 9/11."  There was zero necessity for "an inside job."

Without these premises, your theory collapses.
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