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10561  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Paying 6.9% per week... Small accounts welcome. on: July 31, 2012, 02:56:59 PM
[22:53] <Clipse-b> Chaaang-Noi : did you get your payment ?
[22:53] <Chaaang-Noi> no, but then again i just now asked
[22:53] <Chaaang-Noi> and pirates not online

OK, he requested a withdrawal.  That's different.

It seems that bitcoinmax is the only outstanding interest payment from yesterday.
10562  Economy / Lending / Re: Want to invest 800BTC on: July 31, 2012, 02:55:10 PM
I found some deposit takers. Please help me decide.
Starfish BCB      4.4% monthly                              https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61262.0  

The maximum deposit for new accounts at Starfish BCB appears to be 100 BTC now if that helps your decision process any.
10563  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Starfish BCB - Loans and Deposits (deposit rate 1.0%/week from 1 August) on: July 31, 2012, 02:51:21 PM
new accounts are also welcome, as is catering for the range of existing customers

I don't understand what that means.  Are you simply saying that customers who currently have more than 100 BTC on deposit can keep it on deposit but not increase the amount?
10564  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Paying 6.9% per week... Small accounts welcome. on: July 31, 2012, 02:47:58 PM
Goat hasn't been paid yet either.... Pirate is still asleep after his Vegas partying days  Cheesy

Source?
10565  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Paying 6.9% per week... Small accounts welcome. on: July 31, 2012, 02:43:13 PM
So Bitcoinmax has exposure equal to >100k BTC?
Hmmm...

120k I think.  And that's the whole BS&T account, which is probably bigger than just bitcoinmax.
10566  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Paying 6.9% per week... Small accounts welcome. on: July 31, 2012, 01:59:54 PM
because maybe this time the re-investments weren't enough to pay the interest on the other BS&T accounts

But bitcoinmax always reinvests something, and a lot of the smaller BS&T lenders don't.  So it would still make sense to pay out bitcoinmax first.

btw... are you now saying this is a ponzi Huh

I personally don't know what it is.  It looks a lot like a ponzi, but maybe there's some magic money-making business going on at BS&T that I don't understand.

Whether BS&T is a ponzi or whether it's putting the borrowed bitcoins to work, it's plausible that it wouldn't have lots of spare coins sitting around waiting to be paid out on Mondays, so the delays in interest payment are explicable whether or not it's a ponzi.

If I had to bet on whether it's a ponzi or not, I'd bet that it is.  But I wouldn't be sure of winning.
10567  Economy / Lending / Re: Bryan Micon's List of BTC Ponzi Schemes that should not be listed as "Lending" on: July 31, 2012, 01:50:12 PM
the bet probably helped the investment scheme more than hindered it...... Smiley

I think it's safe to say that pirate wouldn't have taken the bet if it wasn't in his interest to do so.

It's quite possible that both sides end up profiting from the bet.
10568  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Paying 6.9% per week... Small accounts welcome. on: July 31, 2012, 01:46:50 PM
Bitcoinmax paid out interest but only accountingwise as nothing went in the blockchain ?

Mine at least has gone but never actually entered any block.

Whats about you guys?

payb.tc paid interest on paper, but not on the blockchain.

pirate paid all his lenders except payb.tc.

payb.tc can't and won't pay his lenders until pirate pays payb.tc.

payb.tc has a lot of coins with pirate, and so gets a lot of interest each week.

Pirate probably needs new investment before he can pay the interest.  10K BTC should cover it.


the first wave of late payments is not a good sign
if i had funds invested  i would bail out now
its pretty obvious that the people on the last couple of levels are not going to get their principal back never mind any interest

Last week bitcoinmax was one of the first to be paid by BS&T.  59% of the interest paid to bitcoinmax was immediately reinvested in BS&T, and that reinvestment was then used to pay the interest on other BS&T accounts.

I wonder why the same scheme wasn't used this week since it worked so well last week.
10569  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Satoshi Dice -- Statistical Analysis on: July 31, 2012, 01:38:34 PM
So each time you win (97.4% of the time) you win 7, and each time you lose (2.6%) you lose 290.

Expected winnings per round: 0.974 * 7 - 0.026 * 290 = -0.722 BTC.
10570  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Satoshi Dice -- Statistical Analysis on: July 31, 2012, 12:49:08 PM
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Results: 2012-Jul-31 05:41am (up to block 191667)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |       Win        |  Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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 1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |    11727 |      0 (0.00000) |  11443 |     284 |      70.51 |       0.01 |    18.39 |     70.49 |   0.027
 1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |     1100 |      0 (0.00000) |   1030 |      70 |      16.59 |       0.00 |     5.58 |     16.59 |   0.011
 1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |     1649 |      0 (0.00000) |   1615 |      34 |      20.22 |       0.02 |     2.22 |     20.20 |   0.105
 1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |     1357 |      1 (0.00076) |   1315 |      41 |      32.29 |       8.05 |     4.15 |     24.23 |  24.940
 1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |     1666 |      1 (0.00061) |   1632 |      33 |      66.58 |       4.19 |     7.40 |     62.39 |   6.301
 1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |     4082 |      2 (0.00049) |   4069 |      11 |     279.32 |     103.07 |     1.29 |    176.24 |  36.903
 1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |     5848 |      8 (0.00137) |   5823 |      17 |     297.90 |     123.01 |    55.64 |    174.89 |  41.292
 1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |     6852 |     17 (0.00250) |   6787 |      48 |    1287.05 |    1173.89 |    40.25 |    113.16 |  91.208
 1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |     5958 |     29 (0.00488) |   5915 |      14 |     628.85 |     572.02 |    13.11 |     56.83 |  90.961
 1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |     8998 |     65 (0.00723) |   8928 |       5 |    1750.86 |    1184.79 |     9.35 |    566.06 |  67.669
 1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |    16619 |    252 (0.01517) |  16363 |       4 |    3629.95 |    3832.94 |     1.80 |   -202.98 | 105.592
 1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |     8971 |    210 (0.02342) |   8755 |       6 |    3256.52 |    3665.55 |    15.00 |   -409.03 | 112.560
 1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |    11697 |    365 (0.03121) |  11329 |       3 |    3649.33 |    3357.27 |     9.24 |    292.06 |  91.997
 1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |     9032 |    433 (0.04798) |   8592 |       7 |    5311.40 |    6811.54 |    24.99 |  -1500.13 | 128.244
 1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    10248 |    634 (0.06188) |   9611 |       3 |    3575.44 |    3172.49 |    31.20 |    402.95 |  88.730
 1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    17084 |   1616 (0.09464) |  15459 |       9 |    9088.32 |    9238.60 |     7.01 |   -150.28 | 101.654
 1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |    38621 |   4760 (0.12330) |  33846 |      15 |    7039.38 |    6264.99 |     0.00 |    774.39 |  88.999
 1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |    17365 |   3299 (0.19005) |  14060 |       6 |    7001.71 |    7185.66 |    14.50 |   -183.95 | 102.627
 1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |    46642 |  11324 (0.24283) |  35310 |       8 |   16403.84 |   17048.85 |   347.79 |   -645.01 | 103.932
 1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |    34622 |  12801 (0.37009) |  21788 |      33 |   15767.49 |   15741.53 |   212.63 |     25.96 |  99.835
 1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |   335284 | 163400 (0.48756) | 171738 |     146 |  119644.56 |  120425.86 |  2173.21 |   -781.29 | 100.653
 1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   138387 |  69061 (0.49936) |  69238 |      88 |   56947.27 |   55087.39 |   789.20 |   1859.87 |  96.734
 1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   105554 |  77665 (0.73620) |  27830 |      59 |   94244.00 |   92818.72 |   467.98 |   1425.27 |  98.488
 1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |     2292 |   1846 (0.80541) |    446 |       0 |    5784.23 |    6010.50 |     0.00 |   -226.26 | 103.912
 1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |     1930 |   1643 (0.85218) |    285 |       2 |    1743.37 |    1781.45 |     0.00 |    -38.08 | 102.185
 1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |      629 |    576 (0.92013) |     50 |       3 |     387.55 |     378.12 |     0.00 |      9.42 |  97.569
 1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |     6068 |   5812 (0.97878) |    126 |     130 |    5171.38 |    4974.11 |   239.20 |    197.27 |  96.185
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                |   850282 | 355820           | 493383 |    1079 |  363096.05 |  360964.73 |  4491.23 |   2131.32 |  99.413
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SD Profit before fees:       2131.32716038 BTC (0.587%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:         428.11210000 BTC
SD Profit after fees:        1703.21506038 BTC (0.469%)
----
Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx:  2599109  :  SatoshiDice Tx: 1565771  (60.2%)
Blockchain MB:  1094.2  :  SatoshiDice Tx: 643.7  (58.8%)

10571  Economy / Lending / Re: Bryan Micon's List of BTC Ponzi Schemes that should not be listed as "Lending" on: July 31, 2012, 12:40:39 PM
What if pirate and vandroiy were the same person ?

he could silence his loudest and most vocal  critic for free while winning the confidence of hundreds of new investors with  a 5000/5000 win/win bet for himself

Except that Vandroiy didn't shut up after the bet...
10572  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Paying 6.9% per week... Small accounts welcome. on: July 31, 2012, 12:38:49 PM
Bitcoinmax paid out interest but only accountingwise as nothing went in the blockchain ?

Mine at least has gone but never actually entered any block.

Whats about you guys?

payb.tc paid interest on paper, but not on the blockchain.

pirate paid all his lenders except payb.tc.

payb.tc can't and won't pay his lenders until pirate pays payb.tc.

payb.tc has a lot of coins with pirate, and so gets a lot of interest each week.

Pirate probably needs new investment before he can pay the interest.  10K BTC should cover it.
10573  Economy / Speculation / Re: 1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM on: July 31, 2012, 02:19:11 AM
   - addr 12oiay6fiaFhHU2sPeCad18Myr5nHJzgGa (last line)  has a closure size of
      about 200K addresses ... and taints the fat address like crazy (86%) . Very much
      looks like some sort of feeble attempt at laundering.

That large closure is MtGox.  My MtGox deposit address is in the same closure.
10574  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] bitaddress.org Safe JavaScript Bitcoin address/private key [BOUNTY 0.1BTC] on: July 30, 2012, 10:38:55 PM
So it's JavaScript it means it is client side computing no private key is transmitted over the internet?

That is correct.  Run it offline as a further assurance.

It's a single file too - all the graphics, css, scripting are part of the main HTML file.  So just save the page to a USB stick and take it to an offline machine to generate your offline keys & brain wallets.
10575  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiDICE.com - The World's Most Popular Bitcoin Game on: July 30, 2012, 07:24:19 PM
Even if it doesn't work, or isn't profitable, maybe it's effective as a denial of service attack against the site, polluting their wallet with transactions which will never confirm.

Good and interesting point, time for me to go read up on double spend attacks some more and the results of one on a victims wallet.

Well, SD pays out unconfirmed bets.  When your bet loses, you get 0.5% of it back, and the other 99.5% goes into their wallet as change, and is used to pay out the winning bets.  If the wallet has lots of old confirmed change from losing bets, that's fine, but what if the only coins available in the wallet are unconfirmed change from losing bets?

When you win, and they pay you out with unconfirmed change from other people's losing bets, it's possible that at least one of those losing bets was double-spent and never confirms.  That means the 0.5% returned payment never confirms, and so neither does the change you were paid with.  That in turns means your winning payment won't confirm.

I don't know how you fix that, but I'm guessing it requires manual intervention.
10576  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] bitaddress.org Safe JavaScript Bitcoin address/private key [BOUNTY 0.1BTC] on: July 30, 2012, 07:18:53 PM
I tested that you cannot import a private key without knowing the walletpassphrase.

The client needs to know the passphrase in order to encrypt the private keys - that's why you can't add a private key if the wallet is locked.

It's too bad there isn't an option to tell it not to check the blockchain. For newly created keys that's not needed and it takes so much time.

I just comment out these two lines in src/rpcdump.cpp:

Code:
        pwalletMain->ScanForWalletTransactions(pindexGenesisBlock, true);
        pwalletMain->ReacceptWalletTransactions();

Then you can import keys really quickly.  Since you've probably just generated the private keys anyway using bitaddress.org it's a real waste of time to scan the blockchain for transactions to and from the keys.  I need to restart bitcoin-qt after importing a batch of keys for the keys to show up in the 'receive coins' tab, but that's much better than having to wait for a full rescan after each importprivkey.
10577  Economy / Gambling / Re: bitZino - HTML5 Bitcoin Casino - Provably Fair on: July 30, 2012, 06:51:45 PM
We're very grateful for all the feedback and bug reports you've sent us Dooglus. We added an extra BTC to your account as a way to say thanks for all the help you've given us.

Thanks for that!

I wasn't sure whether to report that one or not since it took such special timing to provoke.

I guess I'll keep reporting everything that bugs me...

Edit: is there some way I can get rid of the odd .62 uBTC in my account?  I don't seem to be able to bet it or withdraw it.  It looks like I deposited it, so I guess I can deposit the matching .38 uBTC to make it go away.

How about letting people set 'satoshi' as their base unit, along with BTC, cBTC, mBTC and uBTC, with the understanding that they'll lose due to rounding if they get a blackjack after betting an odd amount?

(Or maybe just I shouldn't deposit such silly amounts)

Another thing: I was running low at the table, and wanted to re-buy, using the button I hadn't noticed before and which you pointed out in your previous post.  I clicked the 'Buy In' button, and nothing happened for a few seconds.  The button hadn't changed ('buying in...') and the dialog hadn't gone away, so there was no way I could know whether the click had registered or not.  It had, and it appears after trying it again that the button's border flashes when I click it, but I missed that the first time.  It would be better if something permanently changed to let me know that it was waiting for the network, not for me.
10578  Economy / Speculation / Re: 1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM on: July 30, 2012, 06:22:57 PM
Oops, you're right.
Apologies, I forgot about that part.
I'll try to clean the code and push sometimes today.

Great.

The first time I ran the taint script you just published, it ran for half an hour before I realised what was up.

I modified the 'cluster' routine so it would cluster the blockchain then prompt in a loop for the address to cluster, making it much faster if you want to cluster multiple addresses.  So it was just sat there prompting, but with the prompt redirected to the output file so I didn't see it.

Doh!
10579  Economy / Speculation / Re: Assuming this post is true, does Bitcoin have no limit on its value? on: July 30, 2012, 06:17:25 PM
D&T is a respected member of the community who falls into the "brilliant" category when it comes down to mathematics and mining.  you have to at least respect his opinion.

I remember this argument he had with hashcoin on the subject of quantum computing.  I thought that D&T was wrong throughout the argument, but I'm no expert.  It just kind of ended with neither side coming around to the other's point of view.  Can you imagine??
10580  Economy / Speculation / Re: 1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM on: July 30, 2012, 06:01:51 PM
I meant the other way... how much is the pirate closure tainting say the receiving addresses of the last 10 transactions (or 10 random transactions since we are getting close to his weekly payout time)?

Feel free to use the block parser to gather you own stats and reach your own conclusions Smiley



Code:
$ ./parser taint file:PIRATE-SPENDS
fatal: file:PIRATE-SPENDS is not a valid TX hash
Aborted (core dumped)

It seems like github doesn't have your newest version.  I don't think it has the ability to load keys from a file for the 'taint' command in the version you published...
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