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1061  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling game is not good and everyone should stay away from it on: December 02, 2023, 05:19:45 PM
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Yes, it is true that psychological impacts such as emotions always influence a gambler mind to become worse and become greedy, so as you said, many gamblers fail to know the right time to stop betting while their minds are dominated by greed which is caused by this psychological impact and all gamblers who have been around for a long time in gambling have experienced this situation.
Gambling games are good or not depending on how we perceive gambling and also how we manage our minds so as not to be influenced by bad things like that and if a gambler manages to manage his mind without being affected by bad things, gambling will definitely be a very interesting thing.
Perhaps they know the right time to stop betting, but most gamblers find the temptation increasing so much that they cannot stop themselves from gambling. They are getting deeper into gambling, and some are dominated by greed because some win, and instead of stopping gambling, they continue playing and hope to win more money. That's why we always have to be careful when gambling and don't need to indulge our ego in continuing to gamble because we have to be responsible with ourselves and our money. We can gamble another day, and by stopping gambling today, we can control ourselves well, but we have to keep practising it so that we won't be tempted by anything in the casino.
1062  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: CASHOUT OR NOT???? on: December 02, 2023, 04:45:00 PM
Honestly, my instincts tells me to let the games play through, I'm optimistic it'll turn out good, and I've just decided that's what I'll do. The first game starts in a minute. And I'll be sure to update the outcome of the game here on this thread.
This is your last post here in Bitcointalk we wonder what happened and what decision you have taken, maybe it's because of the time zone but I hope you inform or update us so people will learn how to react in case they have the same experience as yours, its hard to be in this situation the first time I have not been into this kind of situation so I will follow this thread and check your course of action and how comfortable you are in taking that action.
Hopefully, he'll come back to the thread and provide an update on the bet so we know what the outcome of the bet was. If he wins, we will also be happy and will congratulate him. But if he loses, well, that is another experience for him so he can learn not to be greedy after knowing the temporary results of the match. Most gamblers will become more greedy after they see the results of their temporary winnings and still want an even bigger win, for which they have to wait until the game is over. Yes, they can get big wins, but they also have to know that they will only sometimes be able to get them. So be prepared for whatever outcome of the decision you take and accept it.
1063  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tips on staying responsible. on: December 02, 2023, 04:16:33 PM
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You are right, gambling responsibly will also benefit themselves, even if they don't get a win at least they can reffrain from continuing to gamble and that in my opinion is also an advantage for them.  Because then they will not lose more money and also minimize the losses that will occur to them. As much as possible they should gamble responsibly because that's what they have to do, not like what has happened out there a lot of people who gamble irresponsibly with a lot of other responsibilities that are more important and obviously it harms them themselves such as time and especially money because if they gamble with lust they probably won't think about the money used for gambling and ignore the defeat that makes them miserable because a lot of money has been downstream of gambling.  With the confidence that is in them maybe they will do it happily even though it is difficult for them I dont think it will be a problem for them, So I hope they can do well because this is all for themselves not for others Even if they win it is only the beginning of poverty not the beginning of wealth.
Gambling responsibly can reduce the number of losses that gamblers will receive so that they can still have money that might be used to gamble another day. Only by gambling responsibly will they not experience the problems that many other gamblers face because most of them are unable to deal with them and will instead deposit more money to try to recover their losses. When someone has lost, he must be able to feel that this is no longer the right time to continue gambling because he has already lost. And if he continues to force himself to gamble, he could experience even more losses, so he must remain conscious enough just to stop gambling to avoid bigger problems. However, they must try to become wise gamblers who can be responsible for their gambling so that they do not fall too deep into gambling.
1064  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Its A Gambling Joke But Reflects Bad Things About Gambling on: December 02, 2023, 03:47:23 PM
The joke actually said that he was still lucky to be able to have a new bicycle to get to work instead of having to walk to work. At least he was lucky to have still the money to buy a new bicycle even though other people had no money at all. This teaches us a lesson that gambling can really make someone bankrupt and have no money left. That is why we have to be careful when gambling so that we don't lose a lot of money and can still have money to meet our daily needs. If a gambler cannot control himself and loses a lot of money, he should be able to realize that gambling is not a suitable place for him to get pleasure. He had to find another way to get that pleasure.
1065  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Risking 1% in Gambling on: December 02, 2023, 03:18:16 PM
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Yes it is true that as long as we gamble within reasonable limits or that means gambling with the right then obviously we will remain fine, and maybe you will not suffer a lot of things like the impact of gambling in general or even addiction, you will be able to avoid the possibility of unwanted things that can certainly be detrimental. But yes it is true that it is unfortunate that most of the gamblers forget that, I think several factors can be the reason and the driver why they are difficult to apply some precautions like that.

One of them is mindset, goals and misunderstanding in understanding what is in gambling. In my opinion, usually people will forget all the restrictions that they have previously prepared because they are too serious in putting their hopes on the chances of winning which in reality it is very difficult to get, they think that it will be easy to realize something that they always expect such as victory when the reality is far opposite, which means that there will be more defeats that occur than victories, they have proven it themselves but unfortunately it is very difficult for them to be able to realize that their mindset and goals are wrong. In this problem I think the mindset should be changed first, because it is useless to suggest many things if basically their beliefs and expectations are still like that.
That's what we have to do when playing gambling so that we don't suffer from many things or experience gambling addiction because we have seen that many people have experienced this and have difficulty curing their gambling addiction. They cannot take care of themselves well while gambling and limit their money for gambling, so they lose self-control and instead use more money. And gamblers indeed forget the self-control they actually exercised at the start of their gambling. As their interest in gambling becomes greater, it makes them unable to maintain self-control.

The boundaries they have set while gambling have been violated many times until, finally, they really don't use boundaries anymore when gambling. If that's the case, it won't take long to see them lose all their money and go bankrupt. Many gamblers have lost self-control and ended up losing all their money so that they have nothing left. Their mindset should be changed first so that they don't seek win after win, and even if they lose, they also don't need to recover from their losses because it won't be easy for them. Instead of placing their hopes on gambling, they should place their hopes on their work, where they can make money and even have a steady income every month.

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Knowing about what we are doing is very important, we shouldn't attempts gambling just the way we do to other things in life because each has its different ways of approach, gambling is not a source of making a profitable income from the bet we made, we should know the level of risk already involved when we say we are about to gamble, which also means we can loose or win and when either of the two occurs, we should accept it with all comfort because we realized that gambling is not a winning always attempts in playing bet.
Yes, that's true by knowing the level of risk that we will get from gambling, and in fact, this level of risk can increase if we lose self-control while gambling. If we cannot stop ourselves from gambling excessively, we will only increase the number of losses and end up being bigger than before, and so taking small risks. At the same time, gambling must always be considered to reduce the risk of losing money, especially since many gamblers have lost large amounts, so this should open our minds to always gamble within limits. After all, we use gambling only to get pleasure and will not pursue anything from gambling.
1066  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: December 02, 2023, 03:04:28 PM
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Exactly, your goal will determine what results you will get and along with the impact you will experience and feel, if in your mind you feel that your goal does not make sense then don't do it, do some more consideration and see from various sides about gambling before you decide and regret it, use your common sense to think and use your eyes to see realistically. There is no better and safer destination than you come just looking for something that doesn't really matter, or the intention is not to earn but just to find fun, it's the best choice that is more recommended for your security and safety.

The right mindset will result in the right goal, because you consider everything with common sense and realistically, some other factors of course the best will be easy for you to do if you come with no exaggeration and just looking for fun, because then there is no hope that you put in to earn but only come to look for sensations to make you happy.
Actually, that is what we should think about, but unfortunately, most gamblers will not think any longer because they see that the goal is still realistic and try to achieve it while they still have the money. They will not see gambling as entertainment but rather as a place to make money, so they will keep gambling until they can make money. But even though they are already making money, they will still want to make more money. These goals will change according to the conditions they find themselves in so that gambling is no longer a place to have fun using money but a place to make money.

The right mindset will give us clarity about the goals we want to get from gambling. And we won't want to use more money just because we expect to win more. We know it is a temptation that we must overcome before it makes us completely forget to stop gambling. That is why we must always be responsible when we gamble so as not to be tempted by anything in the casino.
1067  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Many Bets to Know How Good Enough You Are? on: December 01, 2023, 09:55:35 PM
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This really depends on us to be able to control ourselves in gambling, if we can control our emotions in gambling of course we will be able to stop when we have lost several times, but it is very difficult for us to stop gambling if we cannot control our emotions, after getting many losses while we still have funds to gamble, we will not stop because we will continue to chase wins that we will not get until all the funds we have are used up.
However, most gamblers lose control when they are in the casino and play gambling games several times. They start to feel happy playing it, especially since they have managed to win some, even though it's only a small amount. Many gamblers are trapped in situations like that, so they miss the opportunity to stop when they could win. They want to win even more, so they forget to limit their gambling games, especially when they see they still have money in their gambling account balance.
1068  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Risking 1% in Gambling on: December 01, 2023, 09:24:25 PM
We all know that the higher the percentage of our gambling capital the higher the chance of liquidation. The lower we pour money on gambling the lower the profit we gain if we are lucky. This is really important to know our limits so we can figure out when we have to get out of the game.
As long as we know the limits of gambling and obey them, we will definitely be fine. But in reality, many people don't remember this, and instead, they violate it by depositing more money to be able to chase their winnings. Whatever amount of money you use to gamble, it is an amount you can afford, so you don't need to take the risk of experiencing a big loss. If more people could do this, the number of problem gamblers could decrease because many gamblers would try to gamble responsibly so they could avoid the greater risk of losing. They will also be able to manage their money well while gambling and know when to stop gambling.
1069  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 01, 2023, 04:43:32 PM
This actually happened to some gamblers in my place too, they used loan money for gambling purposes and ends up badly. What happened to you OP and others who failed using the loan money on gambling will take this as a reminder and lesson to never use a loan money on something that has no guarantee of ROI.
You have to really stay away from that and don't borrow money from other people. We don't know whether we can win or lose, so if we lose, it will only cause problems for us. We will not be able to return the money because it has been used for gambling, while there may be a time limit that we must meet so that we can return the borrowed money. If the person who lent us the money doesn't want to accept our loss, it means we are really in trouble and have to let it go if they want our valuables taken. We also can't do anything about it because we have borrowed the money and have to return it to the owner. This really is a valuable lesson for anyone, never borrow money to gamble.
1070  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can old generation cause the habit of gambling in young generation ? on: December 01, 2023, 04:18:03 PM
It will take ages to happen if aside from talking about gambling there's also gambling happening in front of the children and they might get a hard time to erase this habit with if those actions has been present in the house and you can't  tell to your old family member that you don't like it.

We must step up on this and put some rule regarding on gambling since if we allow those old people to play for sure our child will follow since they really think its fun to gamble and its good for them to try it.

People doesn't aware that they are promoting gambling unintentionally since they think having a topic related to gambling is normal and they are not aware that they are simply installing some ideas about gambling to other people listen to the discussion they made.
Perhaps because when they started talking about it, they didn't realize that there were children who started listening to their stories so that the children could know what they were talking about. Children can also ask the older generation directly about what they don't know so that the older generation will answer straight away and not realize that it is the children who are asking. This unconscious factor from the older generation is what triggers children's curiosity, and there is a possibility that these children will ask the older generation again when they are alone, and their parents are not there.

Indeed, there should be a rule at home that if they want to talk about gambling or things that are not appropriate for children to hear, they must first leave the house and find another place so they can freely talk about it. This is only to avoid the curiosity of underage children so they will not feel curious about the topic being discussed.
1071  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling game is not good and everyone should stay away from it on: December 01, 2023, 03:44:47 PM
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While I agree with your perspective of gambling as entertainment, how frequently does "fun gambling" match reality? Gambling's variable outcomes and financial stakes preclude regulated enjoyment. In pursuit of prospective gains, the human mind may not stick to "simply for fun". Is it a problem to promote gambling as harmless fun when it can lead to loss and addiction? Gambling's psychological effects (winning and losing) can be substantial even with self-imposed boundaries. Entertainment can soon become a deadly habit on this slippery path. Even in its most harmless versions, shouldnt we be aware of these risks when gambling?
Fun gambling often does not correspond to reality, whereas, in reality, many gamblers lose when betting. That's because they can't control themselves while gambling and are influenced by greed and other desires. They cannot enjoy gambling as they should, so they are affected and instead continue gambling without stopping to rest. The psychological effects of gambling can indeed make many gamblers refuse to stop gambling because they still want to chase wins or recover their losses. That's what made everything change until they ended up losing a lot of money. Even though gambling is just for fun between activities and not to make money, it becomes dangerous for those who cannot control themselves when gambling. And that is also what makes many people say that gambling is not good and everyone should stay away from it. But if they can use gambling properly, gambling is not as dangerous as they imagine. It's just that we have forgotten how to treat gambling.
1072  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: December 01, 2023, 03:28:13 PM
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But the problem is that professional gamblers sometimes don't want to share their experiences with novice gamblers and not all professional gamblers want to answer every question that novice gamblers want to know. Like one day there was a novice gambler who asked what to pay attention to and avoid when gambling and the professional gambler answered just do what you do.
Actually, I know what professional gamblers mean so that novice gamblers don't get too spoiled, every little thing is always asked, whereas currently sophisticated search media provides many things that we need and if novice gamblers experience problems or whatever, it can be an experience to fix it yourself and get learning valuable.
So sometimes professional gamblers give advice not in too many words but only in action.
Not all professional gamblers are like that, and to overcome this, novice gamblers can look for other information that has been shared both on this forum and elsewhere. Beginner gamblers can definitely get what they want by searching various places, and if they don't know or need an answer, they can ask it on this forum, so many people will provide the answer. Yes, professional gamblers will show it with actions and not with words because they feel that novice gamblers are not really beginners. They need to learn it themselves so they can adapt to the conditions they experience. If professional gamblers only give words or advice without action, novice gamblers won't understand, so it's better for professional gamblers only to give it in the form of action and give a little advice.
1073  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tips on staying responsible. on: December 01, 2023, 02:57:01 PM
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If they are confident maybe it won't take long, with the confidence they have I think they can establish it quickly, because as the saying goes "the sooner the better", but it also depends on what is being done. Also, they will be able to do it if they get used to it because like another saying "It's possible because it's common", something that is difficult to do at first if done regularly will become easy. Gambling should only be for fun not for profit, because after all the big profits will only be felt by the casino itself which has all the gambling rules. They just have to play responsibly by having everything they can do to avoid the losses that will come. Also do not forget many things just because of gambling alone. So I think they win if they can gamble responsibly well.
If they are confident that they can do it, everything will feel easy because there is a desire within them to do what they should do. Something is difficult, but there is a desire to continue to persevere while looking for ways to calm himself down, which will give him greater enthusiasm so he can go through each session. And before that happens, gamblers who frequently gamble must be careful and always try to be responsible with themselves while gambling and not exceed their limits. Becoming a responsible gambler is difficult, but if we don't try, we will never know how to become a responsible gambler. Only with a strong desire to always limit our gambling can we become responsible gamblers.
1074  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reckless gambling starts after a win round. on: December 01, 2023, 02:39:10 PM
My greed manifests as being as being a miser, I want to half the bet after a big win so Im sure to take home most of the win even if I spin and get nothing back for the rest of the night.   Makes sense to me but Im a natural pessimist, Im not sure which is the best attitude but personally I always say take profits and its not a win really until you have removed it from the table.   A good win is built up not rolled over continually because the next loss will just remove the winnings, so yea dont be reckless remove some at least to pay the bills.
After winning, what's the next thing that comes to the mind? Ofcourse we ensure we settle few basic necessities of life. Gambling is risky but indulging in it requires one to be wise enough to gamble and placing there minds on good elevations of winning which is actually a good choice. Winning can lead to another thing, I've experienced it and I must say, it's definitely not a good thing to encounter. The excitement that follows after winning will only led one to become addicted towards the system and before we know it, they start gambling without plans and losing becomes a steady criteria in the system.
The joy that arises after winning can make us forget to stop the gambling game and take a rest, and that has happened to many gamblers where they instead continue gambling and without realizing it, they start to feel loss after loss until finally all the winnings are used to recover the losses they just got it. They forget that after winning from gambling, there is no guarantee that they will win again, so they should prefer to stop gambling and leave the casino. If we are the ones who can get this big win, we must be able to leave the casino and not continue gambling because that could result in loss.
1075  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling are mainly for rich and lucky mind. on: December 01, 2023, 02:15:52 PM
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Chasing victory in gambling is like chasing our own shadow, visible but very difficult to catch. Likewise, when we do gambling, the big winnings in gambling seem to be clearly visible in front of us and as if we can easily get it. But in fact the more we pursue victory, the more this will drain the contents of our wallet. And in the end, the big win is not achieved, while all we get is a sense of fatigue, because we continue to get consecutive losses.

And as you said, if we can't get profit in playing gambling, then make sure you always get pleasure in gambling. But if you don't get both of these things (profit or pleasure) when you gamble, then immediately leave the activity because it will never benefit you at all. And what exists later you will only get a regret and make you even more stressed because you never get a win, while your money runs out without a remainder.
Therefore, rather than having difficulty chasing victory, it is better for us to gamble for fun and for entertainment only so that we don't feel difficult. By gambling for fun, we can enjoy gambling as a stress reliever in between our activities. And we also won't spend all the money that day because we remember that we only use gambling as entertainment. Once we are satisfied, we will stop gambling and leave the casino.

Having fun is something that should be remembered by gamblers, especially those who are chasing victory. Instead of getting pleasure, they actually get more stressed and can't control themselves in gambling, so they end up using more money. They feel that this is their lucky day, so they keep gambling with the excuse of looking for their luck until they get it. But it turns out that after playing gambling for a while, they only got a lot of losses that they couldn't accept.
1076  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: December 01, 2023, 01:41:07 PM
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Slots games known to be having that very huge house edge on which this is way more than on a dice game could have on which it would really be that so hard to win up but eventually there are really gamblers who are really that interested on playing such games on which it is really that evident and really that obvious if we do see on the number of players who do play on slots on which it is really that actually we could say
that interest is really high. Yes, we've been able to see those winners who do really make out those kind of big wins on slots on hitting up jackpots on which it is really that possible and could really be done
but actually this is something that could happen but of course it would really be needing that kind of extreme luck.

These kind of big wins or jackpots could really trigger out that kind of interest on someone specially if they have seen that they had only bet up a small amount and hitting
those jackpots and this i could believe that it is really one of the triggers on why people do really tend to play even further.
Slot games that require luck have really made many gamblers come back and take the risk of losing more money. These gamblers are ready to lose even all the money they deposit, so they want to keep returning to the casino to play their favourite slots or play slots from other providers. Of the many gamblers who dare to take the risk of losing their money, some actually get big wins in the form of jackpots from slot games. They deserve it because their luck has come at the right time, giving the gambler a big win. But other gamblers will find it difficult to win because they won't get their luck.
1077  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Greed or risk on: November 30, 2023, 09:44:10 PM
I don’t know for sure, but it seems to me that 50% of greed is formed at the very beginning and it can no longer be changed. The remaining 50% depends on the examples of people’s attitudes towards greed that surround us, as well as situations in the course of our lives, moreover, they can change in one direction or another. Therefore, we can always change our attitude towards greed a little, and this is done thanks to our intelligence and development. I used to be more greedy, but now I don't let this feeling take over me and many other feelings. I had a rethinking of values thanks to trading and investing. Now I always try, as much as possible, to exercise control over my mind and not give in to feelings such as greed.
This is also the case because greed will be there when we start playing and waiting for the right time to get bigger. If we win, greed will become great and perhaps beyond our control, so we will continue gambling instead of deciding to stop gambling. Most gamblers fall because their greed grows. They want a bigger win and forget that what they have got is actually enough. And that's what makes them deeper into gambling until they end up spending their money. Apart from greed, by continuing to gamble, they also take greater risks because they will experience greater losses even though they also have the opportunity to win. But it seems that defeat will dominate their gambling game and will make them lose their money.
1078  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I learnt from a crackhead about gambling on: November 30, 2023, 09:20:29 PM
 Even if online gambling is banned in a country, they still cannot stop gamblers who want to become addicted to gambling. This is a fact that they cannot remove from each individual casino player.

 Only we can change ourselves if we ourselves decide that we will change. Although it is really just a difficulty, if we are persistent, we can do it. It's the same with drug use; there's almost no difference, to be honest.
Yes, gamblers can still gamble even in secret places that only the gamblers know about. They share their gambling places in secret, and there may be special codes to find out whether they are a gambler who is a regular at that place or whether they are a beginner or even an undercover police officer.

You are right in saying that only we can change ourselves. But it requires strong intention and determination to be able to start changing it slowly. Everything must be done step by step, and if it is an addiction, there will be different methods that will be applied for each addiction, whether it is a gambling addiction or a drug addiction.
1079  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: November 30, 2023, 05:30:28 PM
Things don't work the same way for everyone, especially when it comes to gambling, the outcomes are always different for different people playing the same game because it's all about one's luck whether they will win or lose, and if they win, how much they are going to win, and if they are losing, how much in total they are going to lose. So, I don't think that it's just a game or a series of games that we should blame because it's our luck that isn't favoring us in this thing.

Talking about personal experience, I'm actually in the same boat as you because I've never won anything very significant from slots games, it doesn't mean that I never got any big wins, but they were never big enough like some people get 1000x or even higher, the highest I've ever got was 100x.
That is what each gambler will get when playing slot games because they will have different luck. Perhaps there will be many of them who will lose a lot of money while only a few people can from the same slot game, so they really hope for their luck to come when they play slots. Slot games can make them lose a lot of money, especially for those who can't control themselves and only chase wins. They must have luck to be able to win from slot games.

Very few people can actually get 1000x from slot games because it will depend on luck. Maybe gamblers can win 100x, but to get a big multiplier, it really requires a lot of luck. I've also never had a big win because my luck probably hasn't come around yet. But I can only win a certain amount of money, which often doesn't break even. It's very rare to break even.
1080  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: November 30, 2023, 05:17:00 PM
I'm not sure if anyone aside from me considers it as a career, but I think the influencers who are getting paid to promote gambling sites can consider as a successful career. It's a career where they attract people to gamble on their website. If we only consider a betting career in gambling, some influencers may be gambling sometimes on those websites without thinking about the money because they will get paid in the end.
Influencers and gamblers are clearly different because the influencer's job is to invite people to join with or without using their link. They promote gambling sites and can make a successful career, but when compared to gamblers, gamblers cannot make a career. In fact, they will lose a lot of money. Becoming an influencer is a good choice for those who want to make a career, but they must have a lot of loyal followers who will follow the influencer and watch live broadcasts or videos they make. It may be better to be an influencer than a gambler because the casino may provide an account for them along with money to start gambling.
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