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10681  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Video: New approach to fighting crime in New Orleans on: August 09, 2015, 09:25:15 PM
After Katrina it was found out that 1/3 of the "officers on the police force" did not even exist, the money for their paychecks was being funneled off in various directions...

I have heard similar stories from the third-world nations such as Nigeria and Zimbabwe. But never expected something like this to happen in the United States. Ray Nagin was the one who is responsible for the current state of affairs in New Orleans. He used the race card very cunningly. Whenever someone accused him of corruption, he claimed that he is being victimized for being an African American.

He was thoroughly on the take.  From Wikipedia.

In 2014, Nagin was convicted on twenty of twenty-one charges of wire fraud, bribery, and money laundering related to bribes from city contractors before and after Hurricane Katrina[3][4][5][6] and was sentenced to ten years in federal prison.[7]

I don't think the matter of the "ghost policemen" was specifically attributed to him.

Probably any of the major US liberal-progressive cities - LA, San Francisco, New York City, Chicago, etc, if they were suddenly hit like with Katrina and people tried to pick up the pieces later - any of these would show a similar level of corruption.  It'd be unheard of say, for Dallas or Houston to have 1/3 non existent cops on the payroll....
10682  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: August 09, 2015, 09:22:47 PM
....

And that's ignoring the obvious problem that most 3d printers are designed for prototyping with shitty THERMOPLASTICS. Great! You're gonna make an ergonomic handle for your non-existent gun. And then you'll spend the next couple of years paying it off by selling 3d-printed crafts on Etsy.

Just because 3d metal printers EXIST, it does not mean they'll be affordable any time soon, or that the metal parts are by any means suitable for real-world usage. What part of "prototyping" do you not understand? You've latched onto this 3d printing fantasy, but it's just bullshit.

Next stop: an epidemic of Libertarians in hospitals with missing limbs due to faulty weapons. Roll Eyes

Now you don't know what you are talking about, again.

There is no fantasy, your idea of "affordable" does not apply to others, and your idea of "suitable" isn't exact that of an engineer.

I would suggest you separate the issue of 3d printers from your personal desires to see guns lowered in quantity.  Because the arguments you use show little knowledge of these technologies.  Here is an example.

http://www.wired.com/2014/11/atlas-314-3-d-printed-guns-bullets/

What is done is to take the limitations of a material in tension-compression, heat resistance, etc, then design a solution.    I've made things with CNC subtractive mills and lathes, and with 3d additive equipment, and have little desire to discuss these matters with close minded tards.  Have a nice day.
10683  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Video: New approach to fighting crime in New Orleans on: August 09, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
This is actually a good initiative. The strength of the New Orleans Police Department is quite low (<1,300 officers), and this is one of the reasons behind the high crime rates. Therefore, supplementing the police force will reduce the occurrence of crimes, and this will also make sure that more and more perpetrators are punished.
After Katrina it was found out that 1/3 of the "officers on the police force" did not even exist, the money for their paychecks was being funneled off in various directions...
10684  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Farrakhan calls for 10,000 volunteers to kill whites on: August 09, 2015, 02:22:20 PM
I heard about Farrakhan long time ago.
He often gave such shocking talks but never anything spectacular happened afterwards.
I think that he wants to mobilize his church only and not to embark on concrete action against others.
What he asks from the government is monetary compensation for all the black people for crimes of whites during slavery and independent black state in USA.

He might be able to get his own indepedent black state in the USA in a small prison room with bars.
10685  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: August 09, 2015, 02:18:49 PM

And are those teenage science projects responsible for most of the social problems like murder and other gun-related deaths? Gimme a break. I dunno why I'm even bothering when you don't even have enough respect to reply to the points I've made.

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3d printers enable anyone to make stuff, the nature of what is to be made follows from the device doing the making.  If it's plastic, then the apparatus is designed for that material - if it is sintered metal, then the design is for sintered metal.  Additive manufacturing is not going to be tool steel.
Not viable. I've debunked it above, so if you don't have anything new to add, I'll take it that I've won that point hands down.
.....

NO, you have "debunked" nothing whatsoever.  I have extensive experience with CNC and 3d printers, and I will assure you that production of certain firearms by amateurs is plausible, is happening, and is impossible to stop.

Now I'm just repeating myself...
It doesn't matter if it can be done, the market price will be dictated by the main suppliers, who will comply with tax regulations in order to stay legal.
Therefore your price would either be undercutting the market, which would be stupid, or it would get bumped up, giving you extra profit per unit. However, extra profit per unit means extra risk....
What the hell are you talking about?  There is nothing illegal about manufacturing firearms for your own use in the USA.

You appear to be creating some sort of black market manufacturer of firearms to serve as a straw man argument - in a hypothetical scenario where tax regulations have some "good effect."

It's common knowledge that 3d printers subvert the legal principles on which gun ownership, registration and tracking are based.  Only you seems to not understand or accept that.
10686  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump's blunt talk starting to see some push back! on: August 09, 2015, 03:24:55 AM
I think the Republicans need to come up with some better attacks. Trump says it like he sees it. Yes, it might be a little out of place. Yes, it might hurt some people’s feelings, and yes I would take it personally if he said it to me, but so what. In this country we are allowed to say what we want.

First off, I do support Trump. And according to all of the liberal media, I am the exact opposite of the typical choice for going with Trump. I am college education with a Bachelors degree and who runs my own business and a degree in the same field that these journalists say make them capable of determining who will make a good president. I have a home, kids, family, and support myself along with my husband. I am also a woman and am not offended by the things he has said against women. I think that Megyn Kelly is full of herself and trying to start trouble where none exists.

Second, I think Megyn Kelly is a spoiled rich daddy’s girl who is way past her prime and wishes she were back in the sorority and about to head on spring break to use daddy’s money. .....
She used to do better, 5-10 years back.  Seems to have gotten to her head.  I guess when I say "better," I mean thinking independently from facts to conclusions.  But none of the other Fox hires did any different than her - that's what the problem is.

So Trump charges through these pansy-waist metro sexual liars like a hog in the cabbage patch, does he?

Let's see some more of tit. it.
10687  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: August 09, 2015, 03:18:07 AM
No, gun control laws are not constitutional. We have a right in the Bill of Rights to carry arms. We should be allowed to take the gun with us into any place we wish. Unfortunately, guns falling into the wrong hands makes the government happy because they can take guns away as much as possible and charge outrageous fees on anything that is left.

I do not think gun laws are needed that much. Just maybe a better screening system. I am not sure how these kids with a huge mental history, going to doctors and shrinks for years and having issues in the past, are getting guns though. My husband was in a fight with someone once over ten years ago, and the last time he tried to get a gun to go hunting with his family in Minnesota, it took like a month to complete and verify is background. Apparently he was an exception or some people are not following the right procedures.

I do not think we need to punish the people who are following the rules though. We have a right in the constitution to have a gun. But of course, we really don’t seem to follow the constitution any longer.


http://www.political-humor.org/the-police-should-be-here-any-minute-until-then-lets-talk-about-jesus.shtml
10688  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump's blunt talk starting to see some push back! on: August 08, 2015, 09:49:14 PM
I saw this, and I am convinced that Trump is not really interested in becoming president.  I think he is just saying as many outrageous things as possible to get some free press.

I do get the feeling the Bosses would like to see a sanitized Republican liar and a sanitized Democratic liar.

Hillary is hard to fit into that slot, of course.

There is a time and place for saying outrageous things.

Basically it's after outrageous things have been happening, seem to be continuing unabated, and nobody wants to talk about them.
10689  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: August 08, 2015, 09:45:13 PM
Look, my father is a hardcore 9/11 truther. The PHP conference was not too far away from the world trade centre. Everyone in NY said 9/11 happened the way it happened. My dad told me not to take photos of the WTC. I took one on my S5 and texted it to him without hassle. Sure there was some police presence. It was not constant and hey, what do you expect in a city like New York? These conspiracies are bogus.
so why is your father a truther if according to you and your family the towers fell because of terrorist from a muslim country done it with planes..

so is your father a NUT JOB  Wink Wink
you all know the truth...  so why is he a truther Wink Wink




Nice to see conspiracy theorist see a conspiracy in everything.
No your government would never do any harm to its own people would they

www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4f9Hs0s1jQ

No USA government would never hurt its own people

www.youtube.com/watch?v=guSqJAfnuN4

NO NEVER  Undecided Undecided Kiss



Now I'm thinking, 911 was planned, engineered and executed by a goat.

The U.S. government would never harm anyone. Why not? Because the U.S. government doesn't do anything. The U.S. government is a fiction. All governments except, possibly, the strict kingships are fictions.

In America, the U.S. government is strong because the people believe in a fiction. Those who hold power in the U.S. government like it this way. Thus, they try to keep the people believing in the fiction of the U.S. government.

It is the people in the U.S. government who pulled some strings among a bunch of fiction believers who did 9/11. They had help from those outside of the government. They were directed, in part, by those outside of the U.S. government. But the point remains, PEOPLE did 9/11 against a whole bunch of other PEOPLE.

Some of the people who did 9/11 against others are/were people who hold/held government offices in the fiction called THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. Some of them used their governmental offices to further the 9/11 happening. Some of them knew what they were doing; others didn't know what they were doing.

Probably the whole 9/11 plan was perpetrated by some who were outside of the U.S. fiction known as THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. But there were those within the fiction that made the plan work. Without them, knowingly or unknowingly, willingly or unwillingly, the 9/11 plan would have never worked.

Smiley

A very intelligent comment badecker.

They say "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel".

After WWII some people tried to promote the idea that individuals who commit crimes are responsible for their actions, even if they commited those crimes in the name of a group, under a flag for example.

There is more than enough evidence to identify the perpetrators of 911. But the crime was carried out in such fashion that
a) misguided jews would inadvertently help cover the tracks, imagining that they were protecting " judaism"
b) misguided muslims would inadvertently help cover the tracks, imaging they were protecting "islam"
c) misguided americans would inadvertently help cover the tracks, imagining they were protecting "america"
etc

911 was carried out by individuals, as you say.

The individuals were not acting as "jews" or "muslims" or "americans".

The Taliban had eliminated opium cultivation in Afghanistan as of about July 2001. We were a few months away from there being zero heroin on the international market. That was set to be the biggest news globally of the decade.

The specific individuals involved span a lot of countries and religions. It's ironic that Russia is never mentioned in the 911 conversation since some of the biggest players are Russians. But regardless the crime was a brilliantly choreagraphed and executed massacre that postponed heroin withdrawal symptoms for a lot of people.


So the conspiracy is in the people behind 911?

It does not involve planted explosives in the towers, hiding airplanes that didn't fly into towers, or the ground, or the Pentagon?

I guess on that I'd just ask, these government shmucks -

They tried to lie about Bengazi and got found out and laughed at.
They tried a conspiracy with Fast and Furious and would up looking like deadly clowns

You mean, they can actually pull off something that takes some skill and intelligence?

That's hard to believe.
10690  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Farrakhan calls for 10,000 volunteers to kill whites on: August 08, 2015, 09:40:59 PM
He's a racist, just like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (oh wait, blacks can't be racists.  Only whites can be racists Roll Eyes)

Some years ago, a black family I knew had a framed set of these mens' picture on the wall.

Martin Luther King
Malcom X
Mohammed Ali

Who would be in those pictures now, and why?
10691  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump's blunt talk starting to see some push back! on: August 08, 2015, 09:14:08 PM
This will stiffle dissent in the Party. Limiting his exposure is a power play. The Party knows it can't put this guy forward as a candidate, so they need to start limiting his exposure now to save themselves from having him win the primary and being forced to support him in a general election he has zero chance of winning.

People who don't swear fealty to the Party will be diminished, and Trump failed to swear fealty at the first debate when he refused to promise to support whoever the nominee is. Maybe Trump doesn't need to because he can finance his own campaign, but no one else in this group can, and that's why no one else will dare anger the Party Bosses. Everyone else will fall in line. Trump will be made an example of, and the excuse will be "he's offensive." Most republican candidates are offensive/insensitive, Trump's real crime is he's not loyal to the Party.

You mean we've got an ability, finally, to vote against the Party Bosses?

Cool!
10692  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: August 08, 2015, 09:11:42 PM
I still want to know what utopian lands he resides in.
Well, ya.

There have been some sincere posts on this forum from people in (day to day) peaceful places that could not imagine why people would want firearms and why governments would allow them to have them.

I do not think they err in what they say about where they live.  I do think they err in extending that to a global truth.

And it's ridiculous.  NOBODY is going to say the average man or woman in Alaska shouldn't have firearms. 

I've been about ten feet from a bear in New Mexico and didn't exactly feel too great about it.  A great many people have firearms and never dream of point them at a human being.
10693  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Jews are the master race on: August 08, 2015, 05:40:40 PM
There is no doubt that Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any subgroup of humanity.

Jews guaranteed Hitlers defeat by designing and developing the atomic bomb.
Jews may have been involved in the assassination of Stalin when it became clear he was going to turn on them (google Stalin and warfarin if interested in details)

Jews have dominated the world of banking and finance because it was a vacant and valuable economic niche and they were smart enough to see that early on. If there were no Jews some other group would have risen to dominance and we would in all likelihood be in the exact same world financial situation we are in now.

Jews are not a master race but the are very powerful, very intelligent, and very organized. They are also quite sensitive to racial attacks given the periodic historical attempts to wipe them out.

I have argued that Islamic people would do better to replace "emphasis on ritual" with more adaptive ways of relating to outside culture.  This article argues similarly -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Another type of explanation for higher intelligence in Ashkenazi Jews is differences in culture which tend to promote cultivation of intellectual talents.

For example, after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Jewish culture replaced its emphasis on ritual with an emphasis on study and scholarship.[16] Unlike the surrounding cultures, most Jews, even farmers,[2] were taught to read and write in childhood. Talmudic scholarship became a leading key to social status. The Talmudic tradition may have made the Jews well suited for financial and managerial occupations at a time when these occupations provided new opportunities.[8][17]

The emphasis on scholarship came before the Jews turned from agriculture to urban occupations. This suggests that premise #3 of Cochran et al. may have the causal direction backward: mastery of written language enabled Jews to thrive in finance and international trade rather than the other way around.[8] Preoccupation with Torah and Talmud study keeps alive a certain intellectual acumen, attuned to weighing situations and opinions.[18][19]
10694  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: August 08, 2015, 05:33:21 PM
Guns should be used only by the army and SWAT. I think that such restriction would make life much easier for all.

In america it's seen as a hobby. You can see videos of people testing out guns and shoting out watermelons outdoors in some places that sometimes look like their backyard. It's pretty insane to anyone not living on there. I mean you can walk in on that area without knowing someone is shoting shit up and get shoot... pretty crazy.

Most terrorist have this "hobby" too. Americans will have to let that go. For most cases a pepper spray is just enough.

Again, I propose the challenge: Name one good reason why armymen or SWAT team members should automatically be granted more trust with a gun than your neighbors.

Challenge accepted. Regardless of intellect, reasoning, or political/religious beliefs, their life experience will provide them with one simple fact that Pavlov could have tested on his dogs:

Where there are guns, there is more potential for pain.

Anyone with an IQ of 70 can make that epiphany. Or even if they don't 'think' it, they still have the correct biological reaction with a bit of adrenaline or fear to help them prepare for violence upon having a weapon come into view. Neighbours are far more likely to be foolish, naive, or stupid and irresponsible, compared to any professional who has actually seen or experienced suffering in conjunction with guns.

Don't tell me you're another paranoid type who has fallen for that partisan nonsense about the population versus the government? Blue team versus Red team? Freedom lovers versus bureaucrats? Come on, I thought you were smarter than that. Wait for the late harvest, more CBD, less paranoia, or so they say.

1a)  I agree, where there are guns, there is more potential for pain regardless of who has them.

1b)  Where there are restrictions on freedom, there is more potential for rebellion.

2)  Believing that a professional will necessarily act professionally is just as absurd as thinking that a non-professional will necessarily act unprofessionally.

3a)  Why do soldiers take 2nd and 3rd tours when their experience includes the suffering of war?  Why do police use guns to combat not only gun violence, but violence from knives, bats, cars, fists, etc.?  Why do professionals in governments around the world continue to commence wars despite the countless millions who have died in past ones?  

3b)  Violence and wars stem from a self vs. other paradigm.  People identify with that with which they are familiar, and have fear/uncertainty/doubt about that with which they are not familiar.  The minute you start splitting people up into groups like "professionals" vs. "non-professionals" or "cops" vs. "citizens" or "government" vs. "populous" and give one side more rights than others, you're going to get problems.  Bottom line, people are people, and there is absolutely zero concrete basis upon which to conclude that a so-called "professional" has any more or less ethical aptitude in applying use of their freedoms.  Maybe it's the use of the word "professional" that prohibits one from recognizing this, because it leads one to falsely assume that the person necessarily matches the description.

3c)  The bell curve is present everywhere.  You will always have a few crazy people, both in the general population and in the "professional" population, who will do some pretty horrible things.  But in general, most people professional-or-not will be just fine if they have a gun.

4)  There is a general set of personality characteristics applicable to those who become police or soldiers.  These people are more likely to want to be in charge, to want to apply authority over others, and to apply it forcefully if necessary.   In other words, there is a greater likelihood that this group of people granted with unequal power will perpetuate and make it known this inequality.  If you deduce this is a good thing because you axiomatically believe anyone called a professional will act professionally, therein lies the problem.  In the USA, it's estimated over 1,000 civilians (whether criminals or not) are killed by law enforcement annually.  If there were as many law enforcement officers as there are US civilians and we extrapolate the kill rate linearly, there would be over 300,000 kills committed annually by law enforcement, far surpassing the number committed by the general population.  Sure, you can explain this disproportionate number by pointing to the fact that a large number of those killed provoked it in some way.  Or, maybe it's also a symptom of a larger problem in which many criminals become criminals as a result of living in a society in which some groups have disproportionate rights and authority, the byproducts of which trickle down into virtually all aspects of societal interaction.

Although Blahblahblah can be debated on the merits or lack of of each of his points, what I fail to see is how and why a person would attempt to make very broad, sweeping generalizations - in particular across cultures and societies.

Invariably such a thing will be wrong - in fact, a sweeping generalization is a logical error.
10695  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: August 08, 2015, 01:19:30 PM
Let me see if I understand this.

Blahblablah argues for restricting availability of guns by increasing their prices.

Meanwhile 3d printers can make them on demand.

Something does not compute there.

 Roll Eyes
Another American idiot...
First, answer the actual points I made, then post a link for 3d printer technology that makes fucking TOOL STEEL.

And then explain -- for posterity -- why you're so opposed to actually making your country safer.
It's always fucking "we can't do this, we can't do that". Well, fuck you and your selfish, oppositional attitude.

Um, why would you want tool steel?  Look, here gangs have a history of making one shot guns from a piece of pipe, a nail and a rubber band....

And are those teenage science projects responsible for most of the social problems like murder and other gun-related deaths? Gimme a break. I dunno why I'm even bothering when you don't even have enough respect to reply to the points I've made.

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3d printers enable anyone to make stuff, the nature of what is to be made follows from the device doing the making.  If it's plastic, then the apparatus is designed for that material - if it is sintered metal, then the design is for sintered metal.  Additive manufacturing is not going to be tool steel.
Not viable. I've debunked it above, so if you don't have anything new to add, I'll take it that I've won that point hands down.
.....

NO, you have "debunked" nothing whatsoever.  I have extensive experience with CNC and 3d printers, and I will assure you that production of certain firearms by amateurs is plausible, is happening, and is impossible to stop.   Therefore you have a sort of "retro" gun control argument, not one that is oriented toward the world we are moving into.

Further, you show ignorance of basic issues such as "what is a firearm?" 

Is it the barrel?  The trigger?   What is it, exactly, that you think by banishing from the world or decreasing in quantity, the world will suddenly become a better place?
10696  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Farrakhan calls for 10,000 volunteers to kill whites on: August 08, 2015, 01:31:45 AM
Guy knows where the ledge is and how to manipulate the peoples. To bad people like this get trumped up on loud soapboxes.

Very, very strange thing here.

This guy has said many strange things.

http://www.christianexaminer.com/article/fiery.farrakhan.hatred.of.jews.calls.to.murder.whites.talk.of.ufos.goes.back.decades/49336.htm

Farrakhan's comments stem from his radical theology, in which white people are seen as intrinsically evil because they were created by an evil black scientist, Yakub, who rebelled against God thousands of years ago. God, to Farrakhan, is a black man who created only black men.

Farrakhan also has an intense hatred for the Jews, describing them as a mongrel race and the head of international conspiracy against Muslims. After Sept. 11, Farrakhan said Jews from Israel had placed bombs inside of the World Trade Center towers

UFOs, or "wheels" as he calls them (referencing Ezekiel 1), occupy a prominent place in Farrakhan's theology. For the NOI leader, they are not spaceships containing visitors from a strange planet, but instruments of the coming divine judgment on white America and the U.S. government. He has prophesied that the time for that judgment is drawing near.


Very simple, this guy is a HATER.
10697  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump slams Rosie O'Donnell in debate on: August 08, 2015, 01:24:57 AM
I do not have to fire off anything towards Trumpy, he is his own worst enemy and he sure as heck is not liked by many Republicans. Trumpy will never sit in the Oval Office, count on it. Enjoy your short lived fantasy while it lasts.

WE put those Republicans in office to do something that turns out they were scared to do. Trump says exactly what Conservatives want to hear. Republicans are becoming a minority on the right faction. 7 years of Obama has pushed most Republicans further right into Conservatives.
Not only pushed them further right, but totally pissed them off a lot more than most Republicans.

Now let's see where that leads...

10698  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: August 07, 2015, 10:22:01 PM
.....

Is it really that far fetched to believe that some one within the government found a series of simple, mentally unstable people, abducted them, pumped them full of drugs, wound them up, handed them weapons and dumped them at the target site?



Yes it is that far fetched.

That does not happen.
10699  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: August 07, 2015, 10:17:32 PM
Let me see if I understand this.

Blahblablah argues for restricting availability of guns by increasing their prices.

Meanwhile 3d printers can make them on demand.

Something does not compute there.

 Roll Eyes
Another American idiot...
First, answer the actual points I made, then post a link for 3d printer technology that makes fucking TOOL STEEL.

And then explain -- for posterity -- why you're so opposed to actually making your country safer.
It's always fucking "we can't do this, we can't do that". Well, fuck you and your selfish, oppositional attitude.

Um, why would you want tool steel?  Look, here gangs have a history of making one shot guns from a piece of pipe, a nail and a rubber band....

3d printers enable anyone to make stuff, the nature of what is to be made follows from the device doing the making.  If it's plastic, then the apparatus is designed for that material - if it is sintered metal, then the design is for sintered metal.  Additive manufacturing is not going to be tool steel.

So what's with YOUR attitude?   I'm just pointing some things out - they defeat the argument you made, yes - but they are not a selfish or oppositional attitude - I did not cause or create these realities, or the impediments to safer societies....

PS Unrelated, but I found this somewhat amusing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI60Fx0gCaE

10700  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump slams Rosie O'Donnell in debate on: August 07, 2015, 05:58:38 PM
If you ask me, your post sounds more like hatred than anything Trump said.

He is an embarrassment for the GOP and for the Nation. Not to worry he will not even get within sniffing distance of the Whitehouse, the American People and GOP are not that stupid.

Yes he exposes the embarrassing aspects of the GOP and the Nation.

And if elected he might refuse to get within sniffing distance of the White House or Wash DC (District of Criminals).
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