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1101  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Slush pool seems to have stopped working. Why do pools keep going down? on: June 13, 2011, 10:21:07 AM
51% attack is unfeasible at current petaflops of computing power, it will also take a staggering, tremendous amount of luck to pull off.
The chance rapidly decreases as more blocks are added, and since there isn't a single network or supercomputer in the world coming even near the current computational capacity of bitcoin, the chance is reduced to practically zero,

Has anyone even read Satoshi's paper on Bitcoin from the beginning to end?
1102  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: I bet there's a guy . . . on: June 13, 2011, 09:40:48 AM
i find it hard to believe that you don't feel bad about losing 300,000$.

Would you feel bad about using toilet paper to wipe your ass if it was deemed a rare commodity 20 years later due to all the forests being cut down?

That's how I feel because there's no way to get it back.
Besides, that long ago people were using thousands of BTC for fun on bitcoin blackjack sites, or even that famous 10k pizza. It was more like a fun game and less of an actual currency.
1103  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: I bet there's a guy . . . on: June 12, 2011, 10:47:05 PM
I lost a wallet with about 15k BTC in it, mined last year. Formatted HDD.

Don't mind though (or even feel bad) because there was no indication whatsoever of bitcoin taking off so fast.
I only mined for the novelty factor just as people are now doing with namecoin. Bitcoins were literally worth nothing back then, or at most, had similar "funny money" factor comparable to zimbabwean dollars.

Only got relatively re-interested once I heard the price was up to 10 cents, and started mining again.
1104  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: TO NEW MINERS: trust your feelings... on: June 12, 2011, 10:07:45 PM
None of those things were done based on intuition. All required rational thoughts and motives.

All of those carried major, unpredictable risks though (and spaceflights suffered massive losses in the first 40 years of operating including deaths).

In the end everything in the real world is a leap of faith. Pure mathematics and theory only works in simulations.

I'm not saying to 'trust your guts' and abandon due diligence.
I'm saying everything in the world is volatile, unstable, and ultimately unpredictable in the long term.
1105  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: XFXREV2. 5770 3/2 OC! 240MH/s at $99 on: June 12, 2011, 09:26:12 PM
78C is just the core temp of the chip. It doesn't indicate stability. See the exploding gtx 590 on youtube.

Only way to measure the VRM is with a physical heatgun. (Or if there is a program I can't remember the name).

At default voltage I measured ~125-135 celsius on a 5770 and 5830 while mining.
1106  Economy / Marketplace / Re: MtGox Down? on: June 12, 2011, 08:55:48 PM
If you have USD, put up a buy order for whatever you think will be the bottom line (like 14 USD, 10 USD or whatever), if you have BTC sell immediately for whatever it's worth atm (~20 USD?) and then put up a sell order for whatever you think will be the low point.

It could however swing in the other direction as well, with huge buys, a swing to 30(?) and then backfire again with the sales...

Preparing background music for whenever the "Magic the Gathering Online Exchange" is back up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

Hahaha. That is awesome, sir.

It's now my theme song while watching the live order status on Mt. Gox.

Reminds me of those old black-and-white movies with people running stairs up and down fast.
1107  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: XFXREV2. 5770 3/2 OC! 240MH/s at $99 on: June 12, 2011, 08:42:09 PM
Unstable overclock and massive overvolt.
The VRM will fry within 2 months or less since it already runs at 135c (275 fahrenheit) at 1.0880 voltage. You are destroying it running the core near 1.1ghz, unless you live in a freezer.

I prefer conserving the cards for resale value and future usage for a sacrifice of 20-30mhash/s.
1108  Economy / Economics / Re: Worried about the recent drop in bitcoin value? Looking for a way out? on: June 12, 2011, 08:37:04 PM
My smart 8 yr old daughter picked up my laptop when I told her she can't physically hold a Bitcoin.

Even though it takes a whole network to verify their authenticity, they are ultimately in your wallet.dat file which is physically stored on your hard-drive.
So she is correct.

If someone were to steal your bitcoins they'd need to steal your laptop or at least the HDD (not counting social engineering or trojans to acquire the file remotely)
1109  Other / Obsolete (selling) / Re: Beefjerky.com: Selling Fresh Beef Jerky for Bitcoins, Shipping to +100 Countries on: June 12, 2011, 08:33:29 PM
Damn, that's not exactly a customer-friendly business practice.

Was thinking about trying out a few bags but probably not from this company, no matter how world-famous.
1110  Other / Obsolete (buying) / Re: WTB a portion of your mining rig for $800. on: June 12, 2011, 07:04:40 PM
I have roughly 15ghash/s in use 24/7, and more hardware as a reserve, I could rent you 1ghash for $350 per month.
Hardware is in guarded datacenter with decent cooling, radeon 5830/50/70 and radeon 6990's.

At next diff. level it will generate roughly 8½ bitcoins per week (if you want solo mining then either much more or much less) so I think it is quite competitive with other services you will find on forum costing up to $500+.
You can recieve one day of hashing power as a sample before payment, for proof of capacity, more can be added at request.
1111  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: New miner-centric site with hopes to stabilize the BTC economy on: June 12, 2011, 06:51:56 PM
It's not a bad idea, and historical data does suggest a strong correlation between difficulty and price (somebody post that chart, can't be bothered to do it again).
1112  Economy / Economics / Re: MtGox huge buy on: June 12, 2011, 06:41:42 PM
Why would you assume people want to stay under the radar

Taxes + suspicion of money laundering if you are not a corporation and recieve statistically abnormal deposits as an ordinary customer (whose normal traffic doesn't exceed a few dozen/hundred per day)

The entire reason why $10,000+ wire transfers must be reported to the police is anti-money laundering laws.
1113  Economy / Economics / Re: At which price will you sell your bitcoins? on: June 12, 2011, 06:10:37 PM
I was thinking $100 or so, but speculation has also proven to be very lucrative recently.

Hence, whenever the BTC I buy at low prices gains at least 50% added value. My mining proceeds, I save in a BTC wallet.
1114  Economy / Economics / Re: MtGox huge buy on: June 12, 2011, 05:10:56 PM
I think it will just take time. The market depth and volume are way too small still.

I think what happened is that someone who cpu mined for a month in 2009 sometime, made 20k btc and forgot about it, had heard on the news about the popularity explosion, decided to sell all while it lasted and made quarter to half a million usd. Basically that brought the price from 25 to 15 and because a lot of people that pissed their pants in the aftermath it went on to 10. Just look at the volumes, essentially it was all one big sale on saturday.

It will just take time until people from the early times have cashed in their stashs until the price becomes more stable.



It's hard to withdraw sums that big. The bank is required to alert the authorities for wire transfers that large.

Tux will increase your limit if you send in ID with picture, but probably not that high.

Even at 9k per day (pretty optimistic) it would take 2 months just to withdraw 0.5m, and then you'd better have a corporate bank account or spread the withdrawals among 10-20 private accs.
You can't just "strike it big" with bitcoin and expect to get easy money.

Getting large sums out of the system is going to be very difficult if you want to stay under the radar. At the least you are going to have to spend a lot on plane tickets to open bank accounts in various countries where foreigners can do so legally.
1115  Economy / Economics / Re: Why the rapid decline in price? on: June 12, 2011, 04:07:42 PM
As for Berkshire's example, it does look like it's a huge gain, but if you look at it, it's over 20 years, long term.  BTC's had a good run for the past couple days/weeks!  That's just unsustainable.

I'm glad it came down again, taking a breath around this support level. 

Not implying BTC has a long enough history to be compared to BH.  I'm saying sharp spikes up or down are not a 'law of nature'. They only happen as a result of market conditions.
A ball that you throw in the air has no recourse but to fall back down.

Hell, I hope the price goes down every weekend as it has done in the past 3 weeks. It's the easiest few grand you'll make in a while.

I'm saying it's not set in stone and thus I'm not counting on it to make constant profits; Hence ultimately relying on mining.
1116  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Mt. Gox drops to $10 -- reconsidering your mining rigs? on: June 12, 2011, 03:39:32 PM
OMG, I already packed up all 2000 of my mining rigs and sent them back to Amazon, and now the price is back up to $18! Gah! I'll have to order them all again! Good thing I've got free two-day shipping.


You mean $23?
1117  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Tradehill vs MtGox on: June 12, 2011, 03:14:59 PM
Ok, fair point. It does promote adaption of the currency.

But when it's done at the expense of 'real' withdrawal methods it's strange to say the least.

You are effectively limited to some prepaid credit card, and dwolla, if you actually want to cash out.
1118  Economy / Economics / Re: Why the rapid decline in price? on: June 12, 2011, 03:09:59 PM
If it comes up so quickly, it would have to come down/correct.  That's the law of Gravity, my friend.

No, gravity is a physical theory. Physical theories have nothing to do with economical theory.

Take Berkshire's stock for example. It has been steadily climbing from ~$200 to $150,000 over the past 20 years while other companies have gone up and down.
1119  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Dangerous Game on: June 12, 2011, 02:40:04 PM
limited trades to 5 per day on an account.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I make maybe 20-30 on a normal day if active on Gox. I'm just saying.

5 trades: absolutely no room for price manipulation with large USD funds.

Unlimited trades: You can control the market with maybe 20-50k dollars (~2% of total daily volume) with a good bot and the profits will far outweigh 0.65% transaction costs per trade in the end.
1120  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will bitcoin go below $10 by tomorrow morning? on: June 12, 2011, 02:38:15 PM
Made a mistake at 10.25, thought it was going to drop sub-10's so I kept waiting. Had to buy at 11.9 when the rise was evident, lost $1.65/btc profit eventually at 19.98 sell.
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