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Haha destroyed in this thread. Yes indeed... destroyed by you waffling on your own statements time and again!
This is the delusion you have created for yourself. You think you are "winning" by driving traffic to BFL, back peddling time and again on everything you say, and turning down "sure money" based on your own statements. Yep, I sure am losing!
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Instead of lashing out at Bryan for lashing out at you, and back and forth, or however this whole thing is going, prove him wrong by producing evidence to the contrary of his scammer accusation. I still see none of this.
I'm sorry, then you are blind. There are mountains of evidence everywhere, and as I said, anyone with even a glimmer of intelligence has seen it. I'm not lashing out at Bryan, I am poking fun at him because he's so ridiculous. Watching him flail about trying to dodge the simple truth that his entire premise is false, has been demonstrated to be false and is beyond ludicrous is an entertaining past time. You are obviously new here, so it's forgivable that you are unaware that I don't tolerate stupidity and I will be happy to point it out to you directly. In this case, I am enjoy pointing out how completely idiotic Bryan is, and that's about it. As I said, it's pointless to argue with someone who is not able to grasp reality or understand any of the evidence that is presented to him. notice the levels of deflection here: Zerlan is trying to focus the argument on such minutiae as the fact that I typed $25M or $10M in preorders. This is not minutiae Bryan, this is demonstrating the fact that you can't even get your numbers straight. You don't know what you are talking about, so you just throw out random numbers, and you make them sensational so that people will react. It's anything but minutiae. You think you are this clever promoter, but there's a reason your entire life is a failure. Donkdown podcast? Failure. Poker carreer? Failure. Family? Failure (I'm going to divorce my wife and move to Las Vegas! Good work on that, man.), Hygiene? Failure. Skewer Inaba? Failure. (I mean, you do realize that the more you protest about how I called you an idiot in real life, in front of real people, the more people come to check out BFL, right? You're almost as good as CreativeX when it comes to driving traffic and interest.) Just to curve back some of your bent truths in this latest diatribe in one of my betting threads vs. your company MISSING SHIPPING DATES because THAT'S SOMETHING WITH AN END DATE TO SETTLE A BET, so we don't bet on an open-ended vague statement like "BFL is a giant scam and employees a buffoon named Josh Zerlan" which very well may be true but has no formal end, thus no one would know when to settle. Think about this - what if ASIC mining becomes the norm, in 3 years there are 10 suppliers, BFL eventually buys one of them and sends the pre-orders. I suppose from now until then it's up to the individual to determine when BFL is a scam. Awww, poor little Bryan, caught in a corner again and goes off raging about how there's NO END DATE! !!! OH NOES! I won't bet because there's no end date... sadly, I gave him an end date, offered to bet him 2000 BTC, or even 100 BTC which he declined. He wants an "end date" of a couple weeks on the statement that "BFL IS A SCAM!" See the problem here is, Bryan makes a claim (BFL is a scam, according to him), but then refuses to back it up. That's the bottom line. I am offering him $60,000 at current BTC rates IN ESCROW that if BFL does not ship an ASIC this year. Hell, I'd probably even offer him that bet for March if he'd take me up on it, but we both know he won't put up more than a few token BTC. He does these little tiny bets because it's worth the attention he gets, but he's unwilling to risk any substantial amount of money on his claim that he is ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE is true. This is why you know what he says is a lie and he's just a pathetic little internet attention whore. And before you go on saying how "Maybe 100 BTC" is a lot for little Bryan, keep in mind this is a man who claims to be a professional poker player who plays in the WSOP, so a $60,000 wager (or even a $3000 wager, which was offered as well) is not out of the realm of reason for a professional WSOP poker player. Although, given the fact that his poker career is as much of a joke as the reset of him, I suppose it's not surprising. |
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See, the problem is you can't have a rational discussion with inherently irrational people. Bryan Micon has shown himself to be irrational, illogical and just a plain liar and scammer. He's done it in his past, he's doing it now. There is no point in trying to hold an adult conversation with a child like Bryan Micon. Just watch his video and you can see how his brain does not quite function properly. He babbles on about e-cigarettes, spews anti-semetic jokes and what you don't see on the video is his crazed reactions to the people around him.
The bottom line is, I've tried to point out the flaws in his arguments, but he is so blinded by his hurt feelings that he's unable to understand that most people view him as a dolt and that no one but seemingly equally deluded people take him seriously. If you choose not to believe my words, use your brain and look at his arguments:
He first claimed that BFL took in 25 million in pre-orders. This was a number he was sure of. Now he's claiming 10 million. In either case, he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, yet he makes these claims like he does.
He claims that BFL is a scam and will run off with everyones money. There is no evidence to back this up and there is, in fact, mountains of evidence to the contrary. He has made this claim repeatedly, but now, with more and more evidence piling up against Bryan he starts to waffle and then says "Oh well, they won't ship before X date." When pressed on the issue, he refuses any bet that supports his statements and instead puts hedging and caveats in any bet so that he has a chance of winning if BFL is delayed. If he actually believed BFL was a scam, as he claims, then there would be no need to put caveats and hedging in his bets. This in and of itself should be a giant red flag that Bryan is unbalanced and unable to grasp reality.
His claims that I am an internet bully are laughable. What the hell is an internet bully? How exactly do I bully someone over the internet? This is a deranged individuals reaction to someone pointing out what an idiot he is. As for a bully in real life, I wasn't aware I assaulted Bryan and if I did, why did he not call the police? Another lie perpetrated by Bryan.
He claims there is some sort of conspiracy not only on Bitcointalk, but on Reddit (and elsewhere?) against him. This is the very definition of an unbalanced individual... the claim that there is somehow a cabal of individuals all over the world out to get some insignificant, irrelevant little internet troll that nobody cares about. It is laughable that the Bitcointalk staff would do anything for me or for BFL that's "special" because we are BFL. We don't pay them, we don't have a deal with them, we don't have any special arrangements of any sort and any time I have approached Theymos et al with regards to some unusual actions, I've been turned down quite handily. The claim that we somehow manipulate Reddit is even more ludicrous. Yes indeed, the conspiracy against Bryan Micon surely runs deep! Not...
So no, there is no point in trying to rationally discuss anything with Bryan. He's incapable of it at this point - he is sad and scared that I told him in front of a bunch of people that he's basically an idiot. He's angry over it and he's lashing out like a little child, so blinded by his embarrassment and rage that he can't understand why no one takes him seriously and why I laugh at him when he throws his little internet tantrum. After seeing the homophobic, neo-nazi, white trash personality that Bryan Micon has exhibited on numerous occasions, it's impossible to take him seriously.
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Thanks for pointing that out. 9 @ 7 then
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What possible reason would I have for driving up the price?
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I'm not as eloquent as most of you here, but I must respond...
I just read through the entire post, and I am thoroughly entertained, as well as disgusted. Capslock's post says it very well, and maybe I'm missing something here, but how exactly is it "painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain that BFL is no scam"? I would really like a direct answer to this. I have not seen one shred of evidence, much less proof, that BFL's promise of ASIC's is not a scam and/or a failed project, and furthermore, the atrocious and childish behavior of the COO of BFL doesn't exactly help instill confidence in the legitimacy of the company at this point in time. One can easily defend themself and company without name calling, cussing, etc.
Question. Reading through this thread, I didn't at any point read a post from Micon saying that BFL is an outright scam. Did I miss this as well? It seems to me that the bets he is taking are more of a calling-them-on-bullshit-timeframe kind of thing, with a strong hint of looks-like-they-tried-and-probably-failed, which to me seems entirely legitimate considering the fact that BFL has collected what seems to be millions of dollars in pre-orders, while producing nothing more than excuse after excuse. How is Micon a scammer? How is he a liar?
Please feel free to correct me on any of this as I'm sure I do not have all the facts.
Jay-Z; nut up, apologize to your customers, and tell them BFL fucked up rather than slinging insults, quarters and exuses at the non-believers... or, produce. It seems an apology for the painfully long wait is already in order. If BFL isnt a scam and/or failed project, you owe it to your customers, and their massive amount of lost currency by way of BTC price hikes, lost mining time, etc. to prove that you are legitimate.
B-Mics; I don't have much to scold you for, it seems you have kept a relatively cool head in spite of all the shit that has been thrown your way, but things like joshzerlan.com are unnecessary, and beneath you. It seems a bit of a cheap shot, with high potential for further escalation. If Josh and BFL are scamming the community, it will eventually become apparent, and hopefully these people will go to jail, and/or be sued for everything.
ok, phew, just had to get it out, and now, happy betting you jive mothas!
Criticism for JoshZerlan.com accepted & noted. I can explain a little more why I responded as such: Nevermind the fact that I think Josh Zerlan works for a scammer company, this guy is a textbook bully. He's an internet bully and a real-life bully. He tried to intimidate me personally by making an aggressive show to deflect my CES recordings of his hardware. I wanted to show him that not only will his bully-deflection tactics not work, but I will use them directly against him to amplify my point and draw more attention to the fact they have not shipped and showed up to CES empty handed. Maybe this is not warranted, maybe this is childish, but I watch the culture of BFL-influenced mods censoring anti-BFL postings, I watch Josh Zerlan run around these forums talking mad shit to all skeptics in a completely unprofessional and abusive manner, all while holding USD millions in pre-orders and gambling it on R&D to create the product they promised. Wasn't going to let him push this story to the side once again. Right or wrong, I choose to fight this bully with a fact-based video account of his own actions and his own words hosted on a domain of his first & last name. Translation: I am butthurt because the big, bad, mean Josh scared me so I'm going to lash out. I don't understand why people think I'm an idiot! It must be a conspiracy! Somebody call the waaaambulance. |
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Ah yes, PuerotLibre lying again as well! Good work, thanks for not disappointing me. Now, why don't you try posting an honest paraphrase instead of your bullshit spin?
At no time did I say we need a blank wafer. I said I wasn't aware blank wafers even existed. You are a piece of shit, Yajaira... are you so angry all the time because you live in a shithole, or what's the reason?
I honestly can't figure out why you lie about BFL all the time? Do you sit in your basement cackling over your manifesto about how the evil BFL Empire is oppressing you?
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I just called Goat, for if I'm not mistaken he has a friend in KC that works directly across from JJ's restaurant, and perhaps his friend can grab a camera and take some pics for us, thus proving for sure this is real and not some scam being pulled by CNN. It's real... explosion took out power to one of the DC's I have equipment in. Generator kicked in after the UPSs and all was well, but the black cloud of smoke was epic. my word for it. Here's what Josh had to say: We paid a company out of California quite a bit of money to run a run of simulations under different scenarios on our boards
When BFL really does have a working chip, you'll hear about it. There's my good old Skye, the Liar! Lying again, I see you haven't corrected your lack of intelligence. What Syke so conveniently "forgot" to include was that the quote was in reference to THERMAL simulations of how heat propagates throughout the board. If Syke wasn't a liar, he would have included that information. But since he IS, in fact, a liar (this time by omission)... you get the half quote you see there. |
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This is the closest candidate block I can find: http://blockchain.info/block-height/221984What version of CG or BFG miner are you using? I'm not sure if it's been fixed in newer versions, but at one point at least cgminer I believe was reporting erroneous maximum share values. I'm not sure that's what's happened here though... another possibility is you did find a winning share to an older block and it was invalidated after sending it to the network/bitcoind. Given that a block was indeed found right around that time, this sounds like the most likely explanation. |
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Without knowing what time zone is shown there, it's hard to say. There's a number of reasons that can happen though.
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Your tenuous grasp on reality is pretty hilarious Micon. Lets look at your arguments here: Since Josh Zerlan of JoshZerlan.com decided to have bumping day #2 on what used to be a very civil betting thread until he devoted much time to trolling here, instead of doing whatever it is he is supposed to be doing to get millions of dollars of pre-ordered mining hardware shipping, I'm going to have to destroy his latest desperate denial-filled post line by line: I am not Josh Zerlan of Joshzerlan.com. You registered the domain and applied my name to it, I have exactly zero to do with your stalker website. That is all on you, buddy. Your additional fallacy in this quote is that I somehow must need to be doing something other than posting responses to your increasingly lunatic ramblings about how BFL is a scam, even though all the evidence points to the contrary. It's a pretty pathetic strawman intended to draw attention away from the fact that you have been lying and continue to lie to people about BFL being a scam. "B-b-b-but why are you arguing with me on the forums instead of working on your ASICS?! B-b-b-ut stop exposing my lies!" I can see the lower lip quiver and pouting you must be doing now. The fact that you can't even see how ridiculous this argument is further lends credence to the fact that you either have an agenda to push or your just plain stupid. It's a tough call either way. you literally say the opposite of what is true, and scream it over and over until you think you are right. Since you started trolling, instead of backpeddling, I instead bet 25 more coins that you are a liar and running a scam company. You are off the reservation bucko. And again instead of backpeddling, I keep asking you personally to bet 20 coins on the statements you made here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html and you just keep refusing. You can win a cool $500 from me (and from JoshZerlan.com, the official sponsor of this bet thread) I literally say the opposite of what is true? Really? Lets see: I say: Bryan Micon claims BFL is a scam. You are now telling me you don't think BFL is a scam, is that correct? yes. Painfully obvious BFL is legit. They have collected millions, shipped no ASICs, and continue to take pre-orders, as many as who wants to order. All day long. Across all marketing channels. Painfully obvious. Anyone with half-a-brain. I seriously don't think you are reading the same thread as the rest of us. Ooops! I guess that's not what you are saying. So lets see... if I say "Bryan Micon says BFL is a scam." and yet you somehow claim that what I am saying is exactly opposite of true, what are you saying? You are contradicting yourself in your own post, not two sentences apart. What are you trying to say, Bryan? Because nobody can follow your tortured and twisted chain of illogic. Bryan Micon is a liar and a scammer, end of story.
I think that's more than enough proof. Case closed. Wow, the first honest, true thing you've said so far. You are right, it's more than enough proof that you are a liar and a scammer. Case closed indeed. I can easily prove it if you will take me up on the bet. I have absolutely no problem transferring the funds around on the block chain so you can see that I control at least that many coins. I mean, if you think I won't bet you 2000 BTC, then escrow the coins Bryan and when I default, you can call me a liar and a scammer. But we both know you won't take me up on the bet, because it's you, Bryan Micon the liar. Bryan Micon the scammer. We both know what you are. This post you've made is excellent, it shows exactly what kind of a liar you are, too! Bet me 2000 BTC Bryan. I have the coins and I am willing to bet. Hell, bet me 100 BTC. You won't bet either of those, because you are a liar. Prove me wrong. He'll do 2000 or 100, but Josh Zerlan won't bet me 20 coins at my terms which are based on his statements. I am betting you 2000 or even 100 BTC based on YOUR statements. You state, quite explicitly that BFL is a scam. I am telling you to back up your statement with BTC, you are refusing. Why would you refuse? Because you know you're lying. If you really believed your statements, you'd be jumping all over the chance to make nearly $60,000 or even $3000 from me, but in either case you are hemming and hawing and crying about the terms of the bet, because you know your statements are a lie. |
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4) Josh Zerlan has backed down from a 20 coin bet that is within his posted timeline. This should scare most of you with pre-orders: that the man posting the timeline won't bet 20 coins on the timeline he posted. Oh yeah, and the 2nd independent ASIC maker started mining. Meaning even if BFL did ship on the fairytale timeline that Zerlan is telling, they would come to market 3rd. and remember Josh won't bet on it.
It doesn't scare me. Josh isn't taking your bet on principle. You've been calling BFL a scam all this time, that they were just going to take everyone's money and never deliver anything. And now, it appears you're changing your mind, and you believe BFL WILL deliver something, just that it might be delayed further. Josh wants you to admit that you were wrong about BFL being a scam and that you now only want to bet on how soon they will deliver. So, you're trying to call Josh out on the ship date. Josh is trying to call you out on BFL not being a scam. And neither side is willing to give. You both have valid points that the other side isn't willing to take the bet, because, theoretically, either bet would match the beliefs of both of you. But both of you want the other side to admit that they were wrong about their initial beliefs. I respectfully disagree. 1) based on Josh's own posted timeline, he should easily win the bet I offered. 2) based on JoshZerlan.com, if Josh Zerlan believed his own timeline he would likely jump at the chance to win 20 of my coins. Ask yourself that one - why wouldn't he just take my monies? To counter: 1) Based on your own accusations of BFL being a scam who will never ship, you should easily win the bet he offered. 2) If you believe your own statements that BFL is a scam, you would likely jump at the chance to win 2000 coins. Why wouldn't you just take his monies? Like I said, it goes both ways... Thank you SgtSpike. You have summed up the entire problem with Bryan Micon's lying and scammy behavior in a simple post. Of course he's back peddling and changing his tune now that it's painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain that BFL is no scam. He's trying to astroturf his earlier stupidity by covering up the fact that he's claimed BFL is a scam and that we are going to run off with everyones money. Bryan Micon is a liar and a scammer, end of story. If he really believed what he was saying, as you say, he would jump at the chance to win nearly $60,000 US from me, since I am willing and able to escrow 2000 BTC. Hell, I'm even willing to do 100 BTC but he won't take that bet, either, because he knows it's a losing bet and everything he's said is a lie. |
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Yeah, sorry for getting people excited. One of the servers had a problem and shares got backed up on the rest of the servers. It did not affect mining, but when the website was able to reconnect, it processed all the backlogged shares, which shows up as a super hashrate.
I just acquired new hardware for US1 which I will be configuring this weekend. US1 is up and running fine, but really needs a reload, so I'll be working on that and swapping out US1 sometime next week.
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Are you interested in taking a bet below 2000 BTC, or only interested in intimidating others?
Umm... seriously... what part of this was unclear? |
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It's called hyperbole, look it up, Kayrice.
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