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You are. This is not about delivering in a certain timeframe. This about about BFL being a scam.
100 BTC that BFL will deliver ASICs. I only put the 2013 timeframe on there so there's a definitive endpoint to the bet, even though it will be over long before then. YOU are the one that is unwilling to make a wager, you want to add caveats and escape clauses, not me. I want a simple wager:
100 BTC says BFL will deliver ASICs in 2013. Simple, easy and to the point. The fact that you won't bet any significant amount to back up your claim is a giant sign above your head screaming that you are lying. You won't make the bet though, because you know you will lose. So your statements about BFL being a scam are a lie, which makes Bryan Micon a liar.
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Sure, if you can prove you control 1 million BTC, I will wager it with you. Are you offering to bet BTC that you cannot possibly have? No, I am using it to make a point. I am willing to wager coins that I control. You are not, so your analogy is bullshit. |
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Sure, if you can prove you control 1 million BTC, I will wager it with you.
See, the difference is, I can prove I control 2000 BTC for the wager and that I am willing to wager it. You do not control 1 million BTC and you are not willing to wager it (by definition), so it's a failed analogy.
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Bryan, Bryan, Bryan. You are such a small child mentally, I'm not sure what to say. You are confusing the real world with your little fantasy world, let me explain the real world to you:
I am offering you a wager of 2000 BTC directly against your claim that BFL is a scam. You are refusing to take me up on the wager. It can't be any more simple than this. You make a claim, I say the opposite of your claim. I am willing to back my side with 2000 BTC, you aren't even willing to back your side with 20 BTC. You have to add caveats and escape clauses before you'll bet. You are a sad little boy trying to play in the big boys playground.
Fine, lets reduce the size of the bet to something more to your ability to manage:
100 BTC says that BFL will ship a working ASIC by the end of 2013. None of these little clauses and bullshit you keep trying to pull. You claim BFL is a scam. There is no need for additional caveats to a bet if BFL is a scam, as you say. But let me guess, you'll find a reason not to bet even 100 BTC to back up your claim.
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There are no vastly different terms, Bryan. They are not vague. You are claiming BFL is a scam. This means that BFL will not provide a working ASIC now or in the future, according to you. I am calling your bluff. You, Bryan Micon, are lying about BFL being a scam, plain and simple. You continue to hem and haw and whine and cry about the amount of the bet. You are doing this because you know you are going to lose the bet, yet you are still maintaining the lie that BFL is a scam. That makes you a liar. I am willing to escrow 2000 BTC for this bet. You are not. You, Brian Micon, are making a claim that you are not willing to back up. I am making a claim that I am willing to back up. Bryan Micon is a liar. Brian Micon is a scammer. End of story. We are done here, unless you accept the bet. Otherwise, you, Bryan Micon, are just one more poor, little attention starved white trash, neo-nazi, homophobic whacko. Good luck with that. 3) JoshZerlan.com for all your Josh Zerlan-facing needs. Get trolled the right way bucko - with google results for your first and last name. At least you admit you are just trolling and not actually telling the truth or doing anything honest or real. Good on you for coming clean about what you're actually doing. I love how the site you registered in my name contains your one lonely pathetic video of you ranting for 13 minutes about e-cigarettes. That is literally everything you've hung your hat on, heh. Sad and pathetic is what comes to mind. you are are just 1 hot mess kiddo. Don't think I can do anything more for you. Enjoy telling your tall tale to anyone who believes you, i.e. only those with a pre-order. I'm sure you are on the phone all day with the bumping facility. I'm sure you will have a good reason to never post pix. You are pathetic, and these latest posts are solid proof. For those of you who aren't familiar with Bryan Micon the famous professional poker player, let me translate the above for you: "Shit, he just called my bluff and there's no way I'm going to plunk down 2000 BTC to continue this charade about BFL being a scam. I will try to deflect the fact I just got called out and failed by talking about the chip bumping as if he is doing it himself and is wasting time arguing with me." Bryan... you've never been able to do anything for me, where does this "more" come from? The day I need anything from a homophobic anti-semite such as yourself is the day I will jump off a bridge. |
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There are no vastly different terms, Bryan. They are not vague. You are claiming BFL is a scam. This means that BFL will not provide a working ASIC now or in the future, according to you. I am calling your bluff. You, Bryan Micon, are lying about BFL being a scam, plain and simple. You continue to hem and haw and whine and cry about the amount of the bet. You are doing this because you know you are going to lose the bet, yet you are still maintaining the lie that BFL is a scam. That makes you a liar. I am willing to escrow 2000 BTC for this bet. You are not. You, Brian Micon, are making a claim that you are not willing to back up. I am making a claim that I am willing to back up. Bryan Micon is a liar. Brian Micon is a scammer. End of story. We are done here, unless you accept the bet. Otherwise, you, Bryan Micon, are just one more poor, little attention starved white trash, neo-nazi, homophobic whacko. Good luck with that. 3) JoshZerlan.com for all your Josh Zerlan-facing needs. Get trolled the right way bucko - with google results for your first and last name. At least you admit you are just trolling and not actually telling the truth or doing anything honest or real. Good on you for coming clean about what you're actually doing. I love how the site you registered in my name contains your one lonely pathetic video of you ranting for 13 minutes about e-cigarettes. That is literally everything you've hung your hat on, heh. Sad and pathetic is what comes to mind. |
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I am here to bet Bryan, you are not.
Here's the bet: 2000 BTC. Escrowed. BFL will ship a working ASIC to at least 5 customers is 2013.
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Here are my terms: 2000 BTC. Escrowed. BFL will ship a working ASIC to at least 5 customers is 2013.
I can't make it any simpler for you. Since you are apparently not taking me up on the bet, Brian Micon is hereby confirmed to be a liar and a scammer by claiming that BFL is a scam with no evidence, no proof and the fact that you are unwilling to back your statements by accepting the bet. Your little caveats and escape hatches mean nothing to me, Bryan. You have proven yourself to be a liar repeatedly. Show me I am wrong by taking the bet.
This is official: Brian Micon is a liar and a scammer. This is proven (unlike Bryan's claims) by the fact that he is unwilling to bet on his unfounded, unproven position without introducing a number of escape clauses and caveats. I will retract this statement when he escrows 2000 BTC for the bet.
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No, you were offered a 1000 BTC bet and you turned it down. I will offer you the same bet:
2000 BTC that BFL will ship a working ASIC to 5 customers (or more) in 2013. Simple and to the point. You claim BFL is a scam, ergo according to you BFL will not ship a working ASIC ever (since that is the very definition of a scam). If you refuse to take this bet, then you are liar and a scammer, plain and simple.
All these little caveats and "excepts" are bullshit CYA on your part. You claim BFL is a scam, so put up or shut up. 2000 BTC, escrowed. That's the challenge. Fail to meet the challenge and you are a liar and attention seeking whore and nothing more. You are a professional poker player. You claim this is a sure thing, so a 2000 BTC bet is nothing for you to make, since you're holding the nuts, or at least think you are.
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I've been working on the servers. Still a bit more work to do and I will be moving the website to a different server in the next few days or this weekend. I'll keep people posted.
I'm not sure what might be causing your problem juggalo... what browser are you using?
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Also willing to bet BFL will not ship by 3/15 (ides of March) Sgt Spike If anyone has offers, such as "hey Micon, i'll bet you my 50 coins vs. your 25 coins that BFL ships at least 5 customers 350 Mhash/Joule+ ASIC devices pictured, tested, and working by the end of March" go ahead and throw them out here. Don't let trolls in this thread deter you from offering something. All bets made so far have been very Gentleman-like between the bettors. Contrary to some early trolls, there is nothing wrong with putting something out there and having the other side say no. Also, nothing wrong with quick negotiation of terms so both sides are happy with the bet (until it settles  so if anyone wants some near-term BFL will ship action, I'm open to suggestions and very much want to take the "BFL won't ship in near-term" side. Just gonna quote the above for the inevitable back peddling that Bryan Micon is sure to do later. So now it's "I very much want to take the 'BFL won't ship near-term' side." which is a far cry from "BFL is a scam! I am positive!" See, if Bryan Micon wasn't a liar, then taking a bet for near term, long term, forever-term would be a no brainer. But since he's unwilling to do that, he's clearly demonstrating the fact that he lied from the beginning. It's fortunate you all are doing escrow with these bets, since he has a history of welching on his contracts and deals in the past and is a known poker scammer. Anyone willing to do bets with him should definitely do escrow or he'll rip you off. |
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Haha by the end of the month is the only thing Bryan Micon, the "professional poker player" is willing to wager now. From "It's definitely a scam! No doubt about it!" to "Well, by the end of the month." in the span of a month.
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I sent out several emails, made a Google Doc and made a number of posts in these threads during the claims process over the course of a couple months. Feel free to read back in this and the BFLS threads to follow the course of events. All but a handful of shares were accounted for.
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That entire heatsink on each card is saturated at 50C! Holy hell on a crutch!
Are those IR pics accurate? That seems excessive... if it actually is 40 - 50C, what's going to happen to them in hot weather?
Maybe Jeff can heat up a room to 85F or so and let it run to see what happens.
Why would he want to do that? I think we can guess what happens. Either they slow down or it hits a temp cutoff that shuts down mining. FYI, high temperatures will have adverse effects on mining operations. What happens to BFL singles when they get too hot, they down-clock until they are within the optimal temperature range. I don't know if you noticed, but many parts of the world get to be 85F or more during the summer months. Personally, I would want to know if my expensive mining hardware was going to shutdown when the temp rose as it would dictate how much power I had to consume to cool the thing with an AC unit. Maybe you don't care, but I sure as hell would. In many places where I have lived it is 85F when the air conditioner is running. Guess what, those places might not be suitable for bitcoin mining. Power cost and climate are things to take into consideration. Yeah, you are probably right... so it's wise to investigate whether or not the hardware you are buying will fail miserably in the climate you live in, don't you think? |
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Payout script is disabled at the moment. I will have it running again tonight. I was diagnosing some latency issues with a couple of the boxes, one of them being the BFLS box. The latest payout should come tonight once I get a chance to sit down and re-enable it.
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Working on the issue... should be mostly fixed now.
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That entire heatsink on each card is saturated at 50C! Holy hell on a crutch!
Are those IR pics accurate? That seems excessive... if it actually is 40 - 50C, what's going to happen to them in hot weather?
Maybe Jeff can heat up a room to 85F or so and let it run to see what happens.
Why would he want to do that? I think we can guess what happens. Either they slow down or it hits a temp cutoff that shuts down mining. FYI, high temperatures will have adverse effects on mining operations. What happens to BFL singles when they get too hot, they down-clock until they are within the optimal temperature range. I don't know if you noticed, but many parts of the world get to be 85F or more during the summer months. Personally, I would want to know if my expensive mining hardware was going to shutdown when the temp rose as it would dictate how much power I had to consume to cool the thing with an AC unit. Maybe you don't care, but I sure as hell would. |
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That entire heatsink on each card is saturated at 50C! Holy hell on a crutch!
Are those IR pics accurate? That seems excessive... if it actually is 40 - 50C, what's going to happen to them in hot weather?
Maybe Jeff can heat up a room to 85F or so and let it run to see what happens.
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