King Schultz. Do you know what I think in fact about Blackcoin? I think if people are not selling their cheap Blackcoin, we probably would be negotiating at (200K - 300K) sats today, however people have needs , and obviously people need money, but a lot of people here are doing daytrading to buy a pack of cigarettes or a new shoe , or even worse they here making money to pump other coins and this is not good for Blackcoin. I especially will not sell a single dime of my BC until we can negotiate between ($ 1.00 - $ 10.00) because we have the potential for even higher values than these $10,00.
None long-term investor will lose money with a collective buying. The only ones who will lose are the sellers that will sell cheap for us and many daytraders who eventually will burn ugly with this, if people want to have a (Buyday) I'll be there supporting and buying along with them, because I support Blackcoin, I do not want to wait for better prices because today is already very cheap!!!
I already said that I am in blackcoin to long term and I will repeat here sentence mine " I earn money with my job, I do not make money with my money." If people want daytrading BC, I not care about them, but if people want to sell their cheap blackcoins I'll buy all their, I have no mercy on anyone who sells me cheaper.
Some people understand and others just don't get it. CryptoSteam is spouting nonsense about natural growth but he is okay with the multi-pool. Do people even understand the multi-pool pumps the value of the coin everyday? In essence this is counterintuitive to "natural growth". When everyone rented rigs to mine other coins and then used those minded coins to buy more BC...that was a pump. The only difference between the multi-pool and a community pump is the community pump is done on a larger scale and without the veil of mining. So I wish people like CryptoSteam would stop with the naivety and come back to reality. Either directly or indirectly we have all been pumping BC. |
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Iconic, your ego and greed is killing this coin. Please relax and let it grow naturally. All you have to do is introduce infrastructure and it will grow. No need to preach.
It is ridiculous statements like this that turn productive open debates into FUD. If you believe in the coin as much as you claim then one man should not be able to affect the value. Also, if I was greedy I would not be here debating if we should pump or not, I would just pump. You are entitled to your opinion of me as everyone else here. But instead of criticizing me let me see you do something to add value to BC. You talk about BC growing naturally and you have no clue what that means. |
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Thank you for your comments. I think an open debate is good and everyone should voice their opinion. Like I originally stated I am for a pump but I am conflicted about a public pump. However, whether I am for a pump or not I will not be the one that will give the go ahead.
If it's not a public pump people are likely to get burned again. Unless the price goes up continuously, someone will always get burned. Public or Private. That is correct. I think one thing people do not understand is an organized pump and dump, and what other are suggesting are two different things. An organized pump and dump is usually a group of people who buy up a ton of cheap coins and then begin driving the price up using various methods. Once they reach their target number they begin dumping. An organized pump to stimulate growth is significantly different. The main goal is not to sell off but to sustain a new high. However, the unintended side effect will result in a number of people selling off. I would like to point out after the last pump and sell off it take a long time to settle down to our current level. That is why I personally believe we would be fine after a stimulus pump. That will be the new term: "Stimulus Pump"  |
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I respect you Iconic and I know you've done a ton for BC, but I just don't think this is the way to go. I know your intentions are good. I know you believe this coin is worth $1.00+ (so do I) and you want to prevent someone buying up cheap coins now and manipulating in the future. Hell, it's possible you're right and it would help the coin overall... but here's the problem: 99% of the community and potential new users are not Forex traders. In the crypto-world, pump is a dirty word regardless of how currency trading works on Forex, that won't change - there have been too many scamcoins built only to be pump and dumps for the crypto-community to see it any other way. For me the problem is what this talk does to the image of Blackcoin. We know this coin has what it takes to grow to $1.00+. We know that the big run-up and run-down was just a mass of panic-buying and panic-selling. But to an outsider casually looking at graphs, to someone that hasn't really looked into Blackcoin yet and hasn't learned why this coin has the potential it has, that big panic buy/sell looks a lot like a P+D. Blackcoin has already proven that line of thinking wrong in recent weeks. But what does it look like to that person when they suddenly hear about a community pump? I think it undoes a lot of progress. IMO, the last thing we need is to have another unnatural run up and down. We need to shed that image and let our marketing efforts and development do the talking. I think all this talk of pumps will only hurt the marketing effort, and the single most important thing we can do is get new people to use Blackcoin. The cards are an amazing development! I'm pretty fucking sure the price will go way up when these things are in people's hands and in use. But I'd rather wait and let it happen rather than force it. We did have a bit of a natural bear run that dropped us to ~40k, but honestly I think the small group talking about a pump and the division thereafter caused the sell-off to ~30k.. just look at the timing of it. Without all that, we may very well be trading much higher at this exact moment. Furthermore, I think any poll on this issue originating from Bitcointalk is flawed. There are many, many people using this forum as an information base, not just holders and supporters of Blackcoin. Any day trader that came across that poll is going to say 'hell yes'. I don't think that represents the Blackcoin community and holders as a whole. For example, you can safely say that our subreddit community likely contains many of the strongest supporters of Blackcoin. Just look at the voting results of this topic:  Now, it's not an official vote or anything. So this may also be a little flawed. But 95% of the people in our subreddit who read the topic "Why an organised pump is not good for Blackcoin." then chose to upvote it. Thank you for your comments. I think an open debate is good and everyone should voice their opinion. Like I originally stated I am for a pump but I am conflicted about a public pump. However, whether I am for a pump or not I will not be the one that will give the go ahead. |
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IconicExpert: Why do we have to manually pump the coin? We have the multipool and as long as that's running I'm happy.
Is our BC coin not fundamentally better than a lot of coins in the Top 10? Like I said before Peercoin has nothing on us. We should be able to match their market cap.
Whales can do the same thing to every altcoin out there. I'm sure it was happening to LTC and PCC too. Or do you think we'll fail if we don't pump? Did LTC and PCC have these discussion too?
I say we focus on marketing and promoting our multipool. PoS is still the new and we should capitalize on that. Then focus on differentiating ourselves from our PoS competitors.
I think we should allow some people to exit and bring in new people. Starting in May going into June everything we are working on now will begin to show results. This will naturally add value to BC and BC then will not need this kind of pump. However, I think now some people are getting frustrated and bitter and we should allow them to exit. A pump will not hurt BC, but frustrated holders can and will if the price keeps dropping. |
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Can you handle the truth?I though you cared about the coin but true colors have been shown!! Your a cancer the BlackCoin!! A leader LEADS not listen to sheep you do what's good for the coin not good for the price!!
I cared about this coin as we'll but this team loose association with Iconic has killed my confidence 100%. He is the organizer of this pump. He immediate profits. He fights the trolls but he's on their team. You guys could of had a great thing but the people you let into the circle or cancer and they are going to kill it. Thank you for your comments. I am not the developer of BlackCoin nor am I part of the dev team. Yes I have been very vocal and I have been on the "front lines" pushing BlackCoin, but as I have stated numerous times my actions are not of the dev team. Whatever I post and/or do is based on what I think is the right thing to do. No one online or offline can "make" me do what I do not want to do. I posted the poll because I think it is a good idea to know what the community thinks about a public pump. I believe in transparency and I have been 110% honest with this community, and at times I have been honest knowing my honesty will bite me in the ass. Whether you agree with me or not that is fine, but I am not a liar and please do not imply that I am. If I wanted to pump BC and "cash out" I do not need to make it public. I can just round up several friends with $20,000+ each and we can pump it ourselves. Yes it is that easy to pump a coin.... Also, do not assume I do not support pumps. If you look at my previous posts I am an advocate of pumps. What do you think the multi-pool is? What do you think the press releases are? What do you think the BlackCoin cards are? They are mechanisms to pump the price. Too many people here associate the word "pump" with negativity. Pumps are needed whether it is Forex, Stocks, or Crypto. Governments pump the value of their currency everyday, and if you ever traded Forex you would know that. Publicly traded companies pump the value of their stock all the time, but they employ various tactics and loopholes to avoid breaking the law. Crypto is no different and all crypto-currencies are pumped including BlackCoin. I am on the fence about the community pump because I feel if we do it once, the community will keep wanting it done every time the price goes down. However, I do feel at this time a pump will do more good than harm. What I am concerned about is once the price of BlackCoin goes below $0.10 cents it will be very easy and cheap for someone to buy a lot of BC and manipulate the price more than now. Even at this price anyone smart enough will buy 500,000 or more BC and just wait. What the pump will do is allow people to exit and redistribute more BC. I can guarantee there will be a sell-off afterwards, we all know that will happen. But do I think it will destroy BlackCoin? No of course not!!!It is so easy to point fingers but what are you doing to increase the value of BC? I posted the video challenge yesterday and it was virtually ignored. There is more focus on ups and downs, and you must understand focusing on ups and downs does not do anything to help the value of BC. If the devs were able to get Amazon to start accepting BC (just an example) and this community doesn't start pushing the fact we are now being accepted Amazon, then it doesn't mean anything. The devs have been doing their part but they cannot do it alone. You pitching in and helping will help BC value grow. So here is the hard truth everyone must face.a. We do not pump and the price of BC goes down more, and one person and/or an organized group will buy a ton of cheap BC. They will either wait and dump when the price recovers, or they will artificially pump BC themselves and then dump. Then we will be back here in a few weeks discussing what to do next. b. We pump the coin ourselves and allow people who want to exit to exit, and redistribute the coins even more. Yes there will be a sell off but we as a community are prepared and we are not surprised by a sudden sell-off so less people will panic sell. I will be honest with everyone here, I have no clue how far down we will go after this kind of pump because this has never been done before. We could go down just a few sat or we could go all the way back to 20,000 sat. But what I do know is if we do not do this and the price keeps dropping we will have another cycle of heavy manipulation. Now I do have good news that will help sustain a floor after a pump.
1. Yesterday I was notified the cards are done and they have been shipped from the factory. I will get the cards sometime Monday and I will be shipping on Tuesday! Everyone will be getting their cards earlier than expected! I will be taking pictures as soon as they arrive. Some people do not understand the significance of the cards and how important they will become. They are not just plain USB cards, they are much more than that. We figured out a way to introduce new people to crypto without having to go through all of the hassles. Insert and go...period! In closing...you cannot have your cake and eat it too. If you are only going to focus on the price dropping, and do not help add value to BC, then do not complain about pumps. If you are willing to help add value and promote BC, then pumps will become "natural" based on the good news about BC.
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Community Pump Poll
I was privately asked to allow the community to take another vote on the community pump. Some people have changed their positions and want to be heard. At this time I am remaining neutral and only backing taking a vote.
You can cast your vote here: http://poll.pollcode.com/83462672Yes we should pump to stabilize the price & establish a higher floor: 65%
No we should not pump even if the price continues to drop more: 31%
I do not care: 4% |
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Community Pump Poll
I was privately asked to allow the community to take another vote on the community pump. Some people have changed their positions and want to be heard. At this time I am remaining neutral and only backing taking a vote.
You can cast your vote here: http://poll.pollcode.com/83462672Yes we should pump to stabilize the price & establish a higher floor: 65%
No we should not pump even if the price continues to drop more: 31%
I do not care: 4% |
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Community Pump PollI was privately asked to allow the community to take another vote on the community pump. Some people have changed their positions and want to be heard. At this time I am remaining neutral and only backing taking a vote.
You can cast your vote here: http://poll.pollcode.com/83462672 Yes we should pump to stabilize the price & establish a higher floor: 70%
No we should not pump even if the price continues to drop more: 25%
I do not care: 5% |
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Community Pump PollI was privately asked to allow the community to take another vote on the community pump. Some people have changed their positions and want to be heard. At this time I am remaining neutral and only backing taking a vote.
You can cast your vote here: http://poll.pollcode.com/83462672Yes we should pump to stabilize the price & establish a higher floor: 65%
No we should not pump even if the price continues to drop more: 31%
I do not care: 4%
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@ IconicExpert...
You are one of the main reason I am holding my coins purchased at 50k and not losing sleep. You are doing a great job! Keep up the good work...
Thank you for your support...  Iconic here IŽd like you know that you also have a friend, I'm a businessman and I really like active people like you on my team, I can tell you that I bought over 30k BC today. And I'll keep buying all the cheap blackcoin on this planet, and I will have no mercy for anyone who continues to sell me their currencies cheap! Many thanks Thank you... |
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@ IconicExpert...
You are one of the main reason I am holding my coins purchased at 50k and not losing sleep. You are doing a great job! Keep up the good work...
Thank you for your support... |
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 The BlackCoin community is filled with some of the most creative people in crypto, and now we you will be rewarded for your creativity!!!
Starting today we invite you to create a 30+ second video about BlackCoin. It can by anything you like, you decide!!! All entries must be entered by Friday May 2nd to qualify. On May 3rd we will post the list of all entries and allow the community to vote. On Monday May 5th the winners will be announced!!!
First prize: 1000BC and a Limited Edition BC Card.
Second Prize: 500BC and a First Edition BC Card.
Third Prize: 250BC and a First Edition BC Card.
Please PM me the link to your video so you can be entered. Cutoff time to submit your video is May 2nd 11:59PM EST (NYC Time)!!!
Here is the first entry by rickywaldron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elugaT-R308 |
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No...the BlackCoin devs are not responsible for my actions, nor do they agree with some of my tactics. However, I guess we should allow the WhiteCoin dev team to copy our "business model",...
the devs are not responsible.... our busniess model!!!  Our = Community Business model = Everything this community has done so far So, do u want to prevent WC to copy BCs model or do u want 3.8 BTC? if it' property of the community why u're claiming 3,8 BTC for u?!!!  Where did I post that I wanted the BTC for myself? I do not need 3.8 BTC...the 3.8BTC would go to this community for projects..etc..etc. And yes the WC team should pay it. They used the BC brand to get a ton of volume without putting in all the hard work. It doesn't matter now...WC is dead..they are buried right next to MintCoin |
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No...the BlackCoin devs are not responsible for my actions, nor do they agree with some of my tactics. However, I guess we should allow the WhiteCoin dev team to copy our "business model",...
the devs are not responsible.... our busniess model!!! Our = Community Business model = Everything this community has done so far |
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I think people are pulling out of Blackcoin because the big growth is over and done.
Whitecoin is moving. And PoS ends like what in 3 hrs.
BC lovers say WC sucks, it's nothing but a copy coin.
I'm moving into WC. I hope it copies BC verbatim. 1200 to 50000.
That my friends is MONEY!
You are finally showing your true colors. All the "analysis" was just a smokescreen to try and push BC value down. And some people here wonder why I stream rolled WhiteCoin... . I know what WC is trying to do to BC and all this public outrage is BS. |
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BlackCoin - The Best Cryptocurrency (so far):1. Fastest transacting coin in the world's top 10 cryptos, only 10 seconds!2. Fastest confirming coin in the world's top 10 cryptos, less than minute! Vital for retail business!3. Ranked #3 in daily trading volume for weeks 4. Ranked #9 in market-cap for over 10 days 5. Ranked #2 in BitCoinTalk's Alt-Crypto forum activity 6. New Internet-Trading APIs, Exchanges and Merchants are accepting BC every week 7. Easy to implement in Trading APIs 8. No inflation from newly mined/created coins 9. Rapidly increasing distribution Always bet on blackFeel free to quote & repost 1 is inaccurate. Others equal bc (arguably exceed bc) 2 is misleading without reference to the number of confirmations and security 8 is wrong. Bc has 1% inflation 9 links? u forget the most important: blackcoin has its band of criminals who terrorize others devs and extort them!No...the BlackCoin devs are not responsible for my actions, nor do they agree with some of my tactics. However, I guess we should allow the WhiteCoin dev team to copy our "business model", blatantly name their coin WhiteCoin to cause controversy, and then have their members post fud here? Why don't we just give them all our BTC while we are at it. I wasn't going to openly discuss this fud until I found out they broke the agreement to keep whatever discussed private. I detest thieves and people that cannot keep their word. |
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True Story
Earlier today I was contacted by Slaxt via PM. He said he wanted to discuss something with me and he asked me to keep whatever we discussed private. I agreed and he asked if I would go on Skype because he didn't want to discuss via PM. I kindly declined and told him he can email me if he requires privacy. After some back and forth he claimed he was contracted by the WC dev team to negotiate a "truce". They basically want me to stop driving their sh!t coin into the ground. To make a long story short I told him if he wanted a "truce" the devs will have to give a 3.8 BTC or 500,000 WC peace offering to the BC community. Of course I didn't get a reply and a few minutes later they broke their word and discussed our "negotiations" openly. Now the price is 10,000,000 WC for wasting my time. Let this be a warning to other developers looking to clone BC and blatantly steal from this community. If you blatantly copy BC and our model you will either have to donate to this community or I will personally make sure you end up like MintCoin. If you want to create a coin that is perfectly fine, but do not do it at this community expense!!!
Dude you really need to go to a doctor. I am not kidding. I had a psychiatrist to look at some of your posts and she diagnostic you immediately with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorderAbout this post we all can see it is another lie and you have no proof of what you just wrote. If you had any proof you would have screenshot the conversation and posted it! Photoshop will not help btw! You are hurting Blackcoin with all this negativity. People respect a mans work when you focus on positive initiatives to make it big but when they start to look at you when you try to make your way up with lies, extortion, manipulation, egoism and behaving like the mafia i can guarantee you they lose all trust and respect for you. You are like a loose cannon. People never know to who are you going to turn your rage on! Now seriously go and get medical help before it is to late! Narcissist...she must be an amazing doctor to be able to diagnose someone from just their writings. And a liar?...not even close. Everyone who knows me personally or even online knows I do not lie....I pride myself on telling the truth. Ask the WC dev team if I am lying.... |
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how stupid are you ffs, are you trying to make are community look horrible? IconicExpert seriously you stupid fuck think before you act.
I wasn't going to respond to you, but a few times you have had issue with my actions. I dont know if you are naive or just clueless, maybe it is a little bit of both. This is not a bake sale, nor are we running a lemonade stand. There are MILLIONS of dollars at risk here, and I am not in the habit of losing money for fun. My actions are my own and what I do does not reflect this community. So you can insult me and be upset, but you can sleep well at night knowing WC or any other blatant clone will not suck the value out of your BC portfolio. |
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JUST 15 MILLIONS COINS LEFT
IF YOU ARE LATE CACH THE NEXT STOP 2000 SAT
WHITE IS RIGHT
WhiteCoin
True StoryEarlier today I was contacted by Slaxt via PM. He said he wanted to discuss something with me and he asked me to keep whatever we discussed private. I agreed and he asked if I would go on Skype because he didn't want to discuss via PM. I kindly declined and told him he can email me if he requires privacy. After some back and forth he claimed he was contracted by the WC dev team to negotiate a "truce". They basically want me to stop driving their sh!t coin into the ground. To make a long story short I told him if he wanted a "truce" the devs will have to give a 3.8 BTC or 500,000 WC peace offering to the BC community. Of course I didn't get a reply and a few minutes later they broke their word and discussed our "negotiations" openly. Now the price is 10,000,000 WC for wasting my time. Let this be a warning to other developers looking to clone BC and blatantly steal from this community. If you blatantly copy BC and our model you will either have to donate to this community or I will personally make sure you end up like MintCoin. If you want to create a coin that is perfectly fine, but do not do it at this community expense!!! So you are admitting to attempting to extort the WC devs, you are admitting to purposely pushing the price down of another coin and running an extortion racket? Are you also admitting that you are personally responsible for pushing down the price of MintCoin in an attempt to destroy it? Wow. I am speechless. This is what it has come to in cryptos? Yes to everything but Mint...Mint died on its own I just like keep rolling over it now and then to make sure it is dead. There are a lot of people who worked hard to get BC to where it is. I do not care about devs launching new coins, I am sure I will invest in another innovative coin one day. However, the WC devs started a "war" they couldn't fight. First they copied our model and blatantly called their coin "WhiteCoin". Then to add insult to injury they started spamming this thread with WC propaganda. So yes I made it my personal mission to destroy WC, and yes I did tell the devs they need to pay this community a royalty for their actions. And for the record I bought more cheap WC earlier this morning when it was around 800 sat. I will patiently wait again and push it down some more until they get the message. Don't f..k with BlackCoin..period.. |
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