I largely agree that FUD can't be stopped.
However, sometimes it does go too far. For example, a few of these accounts have recently been making false accusations of operating a botnet (a criminal act).
I'd argue such false accusations of criminal activity justifies a ban, and other multiple accounts under common control that continue to post would be evading such a ban. There are confirmed botnets in XMR (re-check our recent discussion in XMR thread), which is the issue for the currency development. It's very weird of you to dismiss this fact and put the blame on the accounts concerned with it. The accusation was that xmr devs were running botnets, not that botnets exist. That is a false accusation of criminal activity directed at specific individuals
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They were fake names anyway. What's the difference.
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6. PoS
What? PoS is potentially the most revolutionary development in cryptocurrency tech since Bitcoin. Just because some people have taken advantage of the hype doesn't automatically brand any PoS coin a 'shitcoin'. I said earlier that no one of these is determinative. But as you say people take advantage of the hype and heavily promote coins without any serious assurance (at this point) that the technology is even sound. That is a strong indication of shitcoin status to me.
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6. PoS 7. IPO
Haha, that leaves nothing to discuss then. You should only invest in Bitcoin and XMR, thread can be closed ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) See post #1
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How do we stablish the definition of shitcoin tho?
Any coin that meets any of the below criteria easily makes the cut: 1) The coin is a clone/tweak of bitcoin. 2) The coin uses centralized checkpointing, "backing"/pegs, etc. Anything centralized. 3) The coin was pre-mined. 4) The coin was ninja-mined. 5) The coin was insta-mined. ...many more easy-to-spot criteria, I'm sure. 6. PoS 7. IPO 8. Extremely fast emission schedule 9. Developer hailed as genius despite few if any previous accomplishments 10. False, fraudulent, or unverifiable back story 11. (Likely bought or purpose-created) sock puppet accounts hyping the coin or trolling competitors None of these are definitive, but a pretty good point system could probably be created that would be quite accurate.
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My 32bit wallet have 20 XMR ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) You have several options: 1. You can wait. There will eventually be a 32 bit build with a blockchain database. Currently under development. 2. You can restore to a 64 bit wallet if you have the mnemonic seed for your 32 bit wallet. This is only an option if you wallet was created after mnemonic seed support was added and you saved the seed when you created the wallet. 3. You can try to get the 32 bit wallet to work using Windows PAE and/or /3GB mode. PAE has been reported to work, although I think /3GB may (also?) be required.
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Monero might have some genuinely interesting, novel features going for it that could be applicable to the real world some day Monero does not have "a few" interesting, novel features, it is a completely new design and code base that is entirely distinct from bitcoin and all of the hundreds of clone shitcoins each of which have "a few" interesting, novel features (at best) added for polish. The difference is one of kind, not degree. but so do about 20 other coins out there, and they are all going down in value. No, there are not 20 other non-scam non-clone-with-polish altcoins. Maybe one or two. I dunno, it just seems that if you were right and I was wrong the price would be faring better than it currently is. It is a project that is alpha-level software, with no integrated GUI, no lightweight wallet or web wallet, high resource requirements to use the full wallet, zero applications or merchants, and it is still in the top 20 by market cap. That is very respectable.
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Can someone explain to me why Monero is better than XC? Or what the differences are briefly...
I've researched XC a lot but don't know much about am Monero
I can't really comment in detail since I'm not an expert on XC. I won't comment on anything related to how well XC delivers on its promises or whether those promises (if delivered) offer real value to users. I just don't know However, I do understand that fundamentally XC anonymity is based on a version of the masternode concept (in some ways similar to DRK,l but again I don't know the details), while Monero anonymity technologies are not. Monero uses cryptographic ring signatures to perform mixing without relying on any third party nodes at all. Another difference is that XC uses a PoW/PoS hybrid, while Monero is pure PoW. This may be helpful, at least in so far as it compares CoinJoin- and CoinSwap-style mixing with alternatives such as Monero (cryptonote) and Zerocash: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/29471/is-there-any-true-anonymous-cryptocurrencies
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Monero might have some genuinely interesting, novel features going for it that could be applicable to the real world some day Monero does not have "a few" interesting, novel features, it is a completely new design and code base that is entirely distinct from bitcoin and all of the hundreds of clone shitcoins each of which have "a few" interesting, novel features (at best) added for polish. The difference is one of kind, not degree. but so do about 20 other coins out there, and they are all going down in value. No, there are not 20 other non-scam non-clone-with-polish altcoins. Maybe one or two.
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5. Monero is far far from dead. The only negative thing is that the price has fallen. Remember this coin is only a few months old.
The price fell in large part because the adding it to MintPal was way overhyped, driving the price up for no good reason. This was not done by the developers at all though, but by investors large and small who either believed that adding to MintPal was a big deal, or wanted to convince others to believe it (probably a combination of both). All that has happened is that hype has deflated out of the coin, leaving things largely where they were before. In fact the price is still a bit higher than it was before talk about adding it to MintPal started, and the market cap is much higher (since there are more coins mined).
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For those who don't have cheap power, how long do you think these S1 are going to stay on for?
The clock v. power curve would be interesting
remember down clock under volt gets you 140gh and 180 watts that adds 2 diff or 3 diff jumps of life. I sold off some of mine recently, but they still have life because I sold them to someone with lower electricity costs. In fact quite a bit of life at the current <10% diff jump rate.
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I largely agree that FUD can't be stopped.
However, sometimes it does go too far. For example, a few of these accounts have recently been making false accusations of operating a botnet (a criminal act).
I'd argue such false accusations of criminal activity justifies a ban, and other multiple accounts under common control that continue to post would be evading such a ban.
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I read that the devs of XMR use botnet to make fake demand for this coin. Is it true?
PS If it's true, I'll be very disappointed in XMR team
Please don't feed the trolls. PS. You can usually conclusively identify these sock puppet troll type accounts by looking at their posting history. It almost always starts with whole sequence of one-line low-content posts to artificially bump up their post count. I don't know if this is automated or just a process these (likely paid) trolls go through to create new accounts for trolling. For example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=304209;sa=showPosts;start=40
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very sorry, just in my opinion the monero website does not really seem attractive to non-miners if you want to get into the real world
The web site is being completely redone. Stay tuned for the new and improved web site.
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also - why is the content of the web page not open to public so we can contribute? some dev wiki perhaps? (the design, or at least ideas, could be kept separate ...you could at least create a thread about it here, see what people come up with)
Do have a look at the community XMR FAQ. A lot of great content was added within the first day or so but interest seems to have subsided. Eventually the FAQ content will likely find a home on a web site. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686086.0
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[3] deemed unworthy of the op ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Q: Do I have to run a full node to keep a personal/offline wallet? It is in there.
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dga made a good case, but I am completely unconvinced, because he didn't address my point: When some actors are not acting in a rationally self-interested manner, the economy is dramatically different. If the majority of miners are not acting in a rationally self-interested manner, it will be an economy from Mars, totally alien.
Well its an empirical point as well, showing that in fact changes in price do not follow from changes in difficulty (but the reverse does occur). This was measured for bitcoin, but I can't believe that bitcoin has any shortage of not-entirely-rational enthusiasts. In fact almost the entire public bitcoin mining market is non-economic and has been for years. Unfortunately, since I can't find the actual evidence for this, the point is greatly weakened.
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But if this were true, why have they dumped so low? I do not agree with this. The price is not "low" or "high." It is low relative to cost. This is not really true. Work out actual costs. If you are using EC2 prices to measure cost you are doing it (very) wrong. I am not using EC2. EC2 ceased to be a factor long, long ago. What I am doing is taking in to account the opportunity cost of not mining a more profitable coin. I can't see any other approach as corresponding to rational actors. Oh, on that I agree. As long as people are mining a less profitable coin instead of a more profitable one, they are enthusiasts almost by definition. Professional economically-motivated miners optimize, and that means choosing the best opportunities. Do see my edit above though. This still has no direct influence on price because of the way the difficulty-adjustment algorithm serves as a one-way wall separating the two sides of the market. There is an indirect influence, in the sense that "enthusiasts" are likely to be investors, since they are "enthusiastic" about the coin. They'd likely feel the same way even if they weren't mining though, they'd just buy instead (in fact at present it seems a fair number are doing both).
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But if this were true, why have they dumped so low? I do not agree with this. The price is not "low" or "high." It is low relative to cost. This is not really true. Work out actual costs. If you are using EC2 prices to measure cost you are doing it (very) wrong. Furthermore, if it were true, it would not have a causal relationship to price. It would affect difficulty (difficulty would drop because current mining costs are too high). But there is no causal link between difficulty and price. The adjustment algorithm serves as an (almost) one-way impenetrable wall that isolates the trading (price) side of the market from any influence from the mining side (but not vice versa).
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