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1161  Economy / Gambling / Re: No bet is a waste on: March 31, 2023, 04:35:05 PM
If you are going to trust the game with all your heart and will not expect completely winning then yes there will never be a waste here, because either you win or you enjoy the game.

the only sad thing here is that once the player/gambler wanted to become an instant millionaire and yes this will end in different effects and of course addiction will be next to these.
Playing for fun is the only thing that could make losing not being a waste because the player already had the mindset of having fun and not winning or making profits from the games session, but on the other hand, some other gamblers who aim at winning and becoming rich through gambling but then its outcome may be devastated if it goes against the players plans and predictions.

Gambling should be based on fun and not money-making since it can lead to addiction trying to chase winning by all means.
And as long as they can enjoy the moments of playing gambling, the defeat will not be in vain because at least they have enjoyed the pleasures of gambling.
Not everyone can enjoy gambling, especially if they lose some money and of course, there is a desire to recover from that loss.
That's why many people go back to depositing money and trying to recover their losses which won't always work well.
They must be aware that gambling is not a place to make money but is part of the fun with risks.
Not everyone join into gambling just for the money. I have seen some gamblers who deposits into his betting site before any particular tournament. He also says that if he doesn't bet, he doesn't really enjoy watching the games. I think there are quite a few such gamblers who choose it only as a part of entertainment. Because they lose their money before every tournament and re-deposit. Even if they lose there, they have no regrets about their money. Only such gamblers are able to derive real pleasure from betting. No bet is a waste for them.
To get pleasure from sports watching it live is enough so the pleasure of betting separately for sports is not necessary. Those who want to truly enjoy gambling always play slot games. poker, blackjack etc. Sports and casino are not the same thing.  So those who play casino get the real fun of gambling and some become highly addicted to it. So no tournament is needed to enjoy the fun of gambling
1162  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is Online casino always take risks? on: March 31, 2023, 04:24:08 PM
I am just curious about how does online casino pay for their promotion on their influencers? Where does their earning comes from? How will you get scammed when you try online casino? How can you tell that online casino is safe?
1. Reputable casinos always pay their influencers. As you can see in this forum many casinos do their promotion through signature camp and they spend thousands of dollars every week on promotion.
2. Casino sites receive a commission from every bet placed by gamblers.  And in games like blackjack, they are dealers, from here there is an earning and also has loss, but all in all, the casino sites earn a huge amount.
3. When you choose a reputable casino site, make sure it is safe.  But it may not save you when you go to gamble on a new site.  So it matters what kind of site you are going to gamble on
1163  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Any casino site offer Ludo game? on: March 31, 2023, 11:34:34 AM
Ludo is not attractive to me and I don't play it in real life if a casino should include Ludo in their games it may not attract many players to the said casino and that is why we have limited to zero ludo game casinos.
Still confused as to how reasonable it is to have LUDO games on casino sites but it must be accepted that LUDO is a huge entertainment game. And in real life, one can hardly find a person who doesn't play LUDO. But we don't know how much impact this will have on the casino site.  Maybe it's not related to casino sites so casino sites don't put LUDO on their site even though LUDO is a hugely popular game.
It's. Not reasonable nor profitable to operate this old fashion traditional game with the new gaming features since it will attract few players because of a lack of interest in the game, that is why there is a 1% or even  0% casino operators interest in this game.
-I think we should look for more discussable topics to talk about because ludo is not. Substantial enough for it to centre a whole topic on it.
Yes Ludo was once a very popular game and is still very popular but casino sites don't like it.  Because they have much better options.  So they skip ludu and put other games on their website. But even though Ludo is not on any casino site, I have noticed that many people gamble offline with Ludo on my location. In this case four people sit down to play ludo and four of them play as a team of 2 and bet a certain amount of money.  And the team that wins gets the full amount. So I think many Ludo lovers will play it if the casino site has Ludo
1164  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: March 31, 2023, 11:26:48 AM

I think South Africa need to win both of there matches against Netherlands because a single win will make there points equal to West Indies which is 88. If South Africa win both matches then there points will be 98 and they will be moved to number 8 spot (my understanding is that top 8 teams qualify directly for ODI WC). Netherlands is not a tough team to beat and South Africa just need to be careful in both matches. Sri lanka must have won 2 of there recent matches but they lost both miserably.

South Africa only needs to win one match. I am hopeful that they will win both the matches. Srilanka lost their last opportunity today by losing the series. It is not easy to defend such low target. I never thought that Srilankan batting will fail after winning the toss and selected to bat first. The Srilankan bowlers did everything possible to restrict the Kiwi batters but Will Young was unstoppable. Suddenly the performance of Srilanka has been a concern especially their batting. They will now be playing three T20 matches starting 2nd of April but most of us would be watching the IPL which starts today.
New Zealand played well in each match against Sri Lanka and New Zealand won the first ODI match by 198 runs.  But the second match was abandoned without a ball bowled and the third match was also won by New Zealand by 6 wickets. Sri Lanka are playing some well against other teams but they are playing very badly against New Zealand I don't know why. The score that Sri Lanka is making in ODI matches.  It can be done in T20 matches.  Sri Lanka are playing really badly
1165  Economy / Economics / Re: Elon Musk and the fall of Twitter on: March 31, 2023, 09:54:21 AM
IMO, Elon Musk is a talented businessman and has made significant contributions to the industry and society. However, his frequent use of Twitter to make controversial news and his decision to acquire Twitter could devalue the shares of his other companies. This can make investors and the public worried about the future of those companies.

Elon Musk's failure to properly appreciate the impact of his actions and words on the public and the market. Disregard for public sentiment can lead to a loss of investor and customer confidence, damaging the reputation and value of his companies.
Yes Elon Fish is a very talented person and he knows how to run a business which is why he owns some big companies he bought Twitter I don't see any failing in him.  Because Twitter's market cap has increased by 7.64% this year from last year. But Facebook's marketcap is 13.70x more than Twitter's.  But I think as talented as Elon Musk is, after four/five years Twitter and Facebook will complete head to head in terms of market cap. Twitter being a secure social media has not yet gained as much popularity as Facebook, so Twitter's market cap is much lower than Facebook's.  However, if Twitter is used by big celebrities and heads of government of different countries, Twitter is very valuable in this site.
Competing with Facebook is a long time coming for Twitter.  Because after five years if Twitter goes to Facebook's position today.  But Facebook will not sit in this position for these five years.  After five years, Facebook will have improved a lot and its market cap will increase a lot.  So Twitter cannot be compared to Facebook in any way.  Facebook's new technology Meta is a technology with great potential for the future.  In terms of market cap, Facebook is at number of ranking is 9 but Twitter is at rank 413 which is a huge difference.
1166  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: March 30, 2023, 08:09:08 PM
I'd be more interested in saying that they haven't been so bad this season in Serie A, but they haven't been strong enough to exert more pressure to be a title contender. The top two teams last season had to admit that Napoli's performance was better than them and the two teams, either Inter Milan or Ac Milan, had to find the right solution for next season.

Jose Mourinho has brought changes to Roma this season, Roma will target to finish in the top 4 and the team they will get rid of may be Ac milan or inter milan in reaching the top 4.
Roma have a chance to finish this season in the top 4, but I think they won't be able to do it. Probably, nevertheless, the main struggle will take place for 4th place between Roma and Milan, since Atalanta will most likely lose points again, and Juventus may not have enough strength and time to compete with them this season. In this round, Milan will play with Napoli, so Roma will already have a great chance to climb to 4th place.
Roma is still in 5th position, just 1 point behind Milan.  Roma vs sampdoria is on 2nd April and Roma can get a good result in this match and Milan doesn't have a game before that.  So in this case, Roma can easily overtake Milan and occupy the 4th position.  And there is Napoli vs Milan on 3rd April and there are many doubts whether Milan can win the game with Napolir or not.  So in this case Roma will be able to stay firmly in the 4th position very easily. This is a great opportunity for Roma
1167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is your opinions of future in Crypto with AI technology? on: March 30, 2023, 07:59:01 PM
AI is the biggest thing that we all faced in 2023 I think. With chatgpt it became everyone attention. I have seen lot of crypto projects that are marketing they are using AI technologies in their projects. So what do you think about this? Are they really using AI or is it for market themselves? Because I don't find anything about AI technologies that they are talking In their websites or whitepapers.
When something gets hyped, many new crypto projects come into the market using it.  As we've seen the hype before Defi, thousands of NFT projects have come to market with such concepts.  Hence the current global hype about AI.  So it is only natural that many crypto companies will use AI and new tokens will appear in the market that token companies will work with AI. But it has to be accepted that AI is a powerful technology and AI will definitely control the whole world instead of humans in the coming days
1168  Economy / Economics / Re: Is taking a loan/debt addicted ? on: March 30, 2023, 07:50:54 PM
From my own understanding nobody intentionally get loan from any angle but I understand that why people get loan or have low because of problem they are into and that causes death to them if they are not able to meet up the target of refunding the loan it have course adept them so nobody have it in mind to be having no from any other person except problem Hai

Nah, I've seen people mostly boasting in social media about buying those recent versions of the Iphone, which they are proud of. They can buy those, but in the later part, someone will say it is an installment. I am not against those people as they can repay it, and I am not the one paying it, but the point is that it is a waste of money to spend it on your wants unless you bought it for vlogging purposes that you are already earning from it or for photography. But again, it is not my choice, so let them be.
The purpose of buying an iPhone is to flash and take good photography.  It is a trend of this time. But yes social media is now a big source of earning.  It is possible to earn a good income by creating content and monetizing your account.  So buying a good phone at a high price is not a bad thing in this case.  I dabble a lot on Bitcoin and am quite active on this forum, but I use a Fluxip phone for that as well.  But it doesn't matter because I am doing a lot of work with this phone which is helping me to earn
1169  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🚀-Sportsbet.io-🚀 - Main sponsor of Southampton FC 👋👋 on: March 30, 2023, 07:43:26 PM
So good to see so many people sharing wins. I had Slovakia and Croatia tear me out of a nice 15.32 multibet (12 matches so I hit 10/12) but then I went to make my first insurance multibet in a while and it hit, but importantly, I added some friendlies together with Euro, luckily, because I would have picked Spain if not for that Wink

Chile was the problem, they were 2-2 until own goal in extra time, phew!


Wow that's great. congratulations man. You have good knowledge on sports so you are able to make accurate predictions.  It is really a matter of luck and skill that you won 10 out of 12 bets. Your work is highly commendable.  And it is more commendable that you choose sportsbet when it comes to betting on sports.  I think this is a perfect site for sports betting.  I also love to bet on sports but still not able to predict as well as your
1170  Economy / Gambling / Re: New Casinos Launched in Canada on: March 30, 2023, 07:35:55 PM
Well i believe this will attract the interest of those within the Canadian region for a try on any if they are interested, but why should i go for anyone of them when we have thousands of newly established casinos that i still don't show interest on, just one or two are ok for gambling except if they fail to serve you better, the more you keep checking on new one the more you're likely wasting time on them, one must not take anything coming.
There's nothing wrong with checking out or just testing out a new casino like the Op wrote, but it's not a suggestion.
Because sometimes we want something new that can make us get new experiences at other casinos and one that can make us feel that we are getting that experience just from trying a new casino.
I also do that when I'm really bored with the casino that I frequent, I'll try another casino or a new casino to get rid of my boredom.
About half of the sites that op lists have heavy traffic.  This means that those sites are already quite popular but those sites don't have any ANN or any other promotion in this forum so they are not much known to the users of this forum than BC.GAME. So anyone can open an account on those sites and gamble there, it's their personal matter.  But no one gives financial advice for this. Because no site guarantees winning.  They can only guarantee deposit protection. but these also not 100% because gambling site is totally centralized.
1171  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Any casino site offer Ludo game? on: March 30, 2023, 07:26:45 PM
Ludo is not attractive to me and I don't play it in real life if a casino should include Ludo in their games it may not attract many players to the said casino and that is why we have limited to zero ludo game casinos.
Still confused as to how reasonable it is to have LUDO games on casino sites but it must be accepted that LUDO is a huge entertainment game. And in real life one can hardly find a person who doesn't play LUDO. But we don't know how much impact this will have on the casino site.  Maybe it's not related to casino sites so casino sites don't put LUDO on their site even though LUDO is a huge popular game.
1172  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Laszlo Hanyecz see it as 10,000 BTC or as $41? on: March 30, 2023, 07:19:56 PM
at that time 10000 bitcoin was worth of $41. So he used them to buy two pizzas. Then he was very happy to buy only two pizzas with this 10000 bitcoins.  Because at that time Bitcoin was not used much.  It was never as easy to use Bitcoin and convert it to money as it is now. He then made the first purchase using Bitcoin.  So it was a matter of great joy for him. But currently he has nothing to do but regret those 10000 bitcoins. Because every bitcoin is worth millions of dollars now, it is not possible to get those bitcoins back
If he hadn't used bitcoins at the time, we might not have seen bitcoin at this stage.  However, he used bitcoins to buy pizzas.  But he may or may not have predicted that Bitcoin could go to such a level in the future. But salute to Laszlo Hanyecz who introduced the use of bitcoins back then.
It seems true but Bitcoin did not come to this world only because of Laszlo Hanyecz.  It is because of the hard work of thousands of Laszlo's that Bitcoin has come to this world today. Bitcoin made its first ATH of $20k in 2017 after China first declared Bitcoin as legal currency. Laszlo probably never anticipated this successful future in Bitcoin so he wasted his huge amount of Bitcoin just to buy pizza.  If he had known this he would have held tightly to his bitcoins without spending them
1173  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Laszlo Hanyecz see it as 10,000 BTC or as $41? on: March 30, 2023, 03:27:44 PM
at that time 10000 bitcoin was worth of $41. So he used them to buy two pizzas. Then he was very happy to buy only two pizzas with this 10000 bitcoins.  Because at that time Bitcoin was not used much.  It was never as easy to use Bitcoin and convert it to money as it is now. He then made the first purchase using Bitcoin.  So it was a matter of great joy for him. But currently he has nothing to do but regret those 10000 bitcoins. Because every bitcoin is worth millions of dollars now, it is not possible to get those bitcoins back
1174  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Evidence that I actually invested for my baby on: March 30, 2023, 01:47:20 PM
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Why did you open a new topic to show evidence? If you have to show proof, you can show it in the old topic. And screenshots are never considered as a valid evidence. If you want to show a true proof to everyone then you must  sign a message for your wallet and post a PGP message here to proving that you are the owner of this wallet. Investment is your personal matter so there is no reason to prove your investment to anyone. However, since many people give merit to any story of Bitcoin investment, due to this many fake stories are posted here, so in this case many people ask to verify the wallet.
1175  Economy / Gambling / Re: STARTING OWN CRYPTO GAMBLING SITE on: March 30, 2023, 06:08:22 AM
ChatGPT is the first big successful project that is attracting everyone to AI and creating hype for AI.  And we know that after something new is launched, many alternatives to it start to appear in the market. Similarly, technology like ChatGPT will start coming and it will be used in different places.  It is natural that this can play an important role for any live support as well. AI is able to work faster than humans because it is a bot so if it is used it will be possible to get faster support.  Support reply doesn't matter whether it's human or bot.  Because getting the right information and finding something is our main purpose
ChatGPT still has its flaws and can sometimes provide inaccurate information, I haven't used GPT-4 yet but I heard that it is way too advanced compared to ChatGPT on so many levels especially when it comes to quick and more accurate responses. Using GPT-4 for customer support can probably be a viable solution for any platform but only if it can be customized and additional information can be fed to it.
As ChatGPT is a new and big project it is natural that there have been or will be issues but they are slowly fixing these issues.  ChatGPT first launched the beta version to find out what people really want and what uncommon questions they might encounter.  And they is very successful in this strategy.  They are slowly upgrading them.  It sounds like they did their Hughes correction on GPT-4 and it works great. So I think it is going to play a big role in gambling too in the coming days.
What would be the main relevance of ChatGPT for casinos? On what part for it to be integrated? I cant see for it to be possible for it to be that relevant in speaking on application.
Yes, we know on how revolutionary Chatgpt is but we know that it would really be that relevant on an industry which it isnt really that including gambling.There might be some key areas
which it could be able to be used like in support system but in overall functionality or on how does it work then i dont see any connection or Did i miss something? Please do elaborate or explain.
chatGPT can't do anything special for casino sites but because chatGPT is currently boasting of AI, I've hinted at AI through chatGPT. AI technology can bring a lot of special benefits to casino sites. but it remains to be seen how keen casino sites will be on AI. but it is true AI is going to rule this whole world in coming days. So it can be said that the casino site will not be excluded in that case
1176  Economy / Economics / Re: Bank loans and securities. on: March 29, 2023, 11:35:16 PM
Banks can not loan you above their security measures. I went to bank to access a loan of $2,300 and they ask me what's my securities collateral to back up my loan reguest. And I said my school certs. The bank agent said such amount required housing, land or multi investment documents not just certification. So that's mean education do not have the real value but properties does.
No one, including banks, will lend large amounts to someone who has no strong ability to repay the loan. As a student, he has no regular income because his focus is on education, so how will he repay the $2300 bank loan? So it is common that banks will not lend money to a student without any security.  You can submit your father's source of income and your father's permission letter to the bank as security, if your father is financially strong, then the bank will be willing to give you a loan of more than $2300.
1177  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: March 29, 2023, 11:21:05 PM
There is not much indication that Ireland can win with Bangladesh.  I have seen that Ireland is always behind Bangladesh because the young players of Bangladesh are very smart. Ireland is not a big motivation for Bangladesh.  Because Ireland cannot be considered as a strong opponent for Bangladesh. Ireland lost each match against Bangladesh by a high run margin. So I don't think this match is very exciting.  And I don't watch live matches between these two teams.  Because no bone game can be felt between them.
Yes, Bangladesh is a much stronger opponent than Ireland, as a result of which these matches are played in a one-sided manner, so watching live matches is not very entertaining. Bangladesh are very strong in their own country conditions, so Ireland can't take any advantage here. Otherwise, Ireland is not as weak a team as seen in Bangladesh. Because Ireland played very good cricket in the last World Cup.
Tomorrow will again be the 3rd match of Bangladesh vs Ireland but there is no excitement because nothing different will happen then.  I think the result of the game will be exactly the same and Ireland will lose to Bangladesh by a huge margin. I am confused about how well Ireland played in the last World Cup.  If they played well in the last World Cup then why are they playing so badly this time and losing every match by a big margin of runs. I still don't understand this
1178  Economy / Gambling / Re: STARTING OWN CRYPTO GAMBLING SITE on: March 29, 2023, 11:13:24 PM
ChatGPT is the first big successful project that is attracting everyone to AI and creating hype for AI.  And we know that after something new is launched, many alternatives to it start to appear in the market. Similarly, technology like ChatGPT will start coming and it will be used in different places.  It is natural that this can play an important role for any live support as well. AI is able to work faster than humans because it is a bot so if it is used it will be possible to get faster support.  Support reply doesn't matter whether it's human or bot.  Because getting the right information and finding something is our main purpose
ChatGPT still has its flaws and can sometimes provide inaccurate information, I haven't used GPT-4 yet but I heard that it is way too advanced compared to ChatGPT on so many levels especially when it comes to quick and more accurate responses. Using GPT-4 for customer support can probably be a viable solution for any platform but only if it can be customized and additional information can be fed to it.
As ChatGPT is a new and big project it is natural that there have been or will be issues but they are slowly fixing these issues.  ChatGPT first launched the beta version to find out what people really want and what uncommon questions they might encounter.  And they is very successful in this strategy.  They are slowly upgrading them.  It sounds like they did their Hughes correction on GPT-4 and it works great. So I think it is going to play a big role in gambling too in the coming days.
1179  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What other ways are available for purchasing Bitcoin? on: March 29, 2023, 10:56:30 PM
Well, if you're going to use P2P system there have been measures for you to avoid such fraud that will be done by the other party. That's why you need to make sure as well that you won't be scammed and every transaction you do is safe.

If you're unsure with the transaction, educate yourself on how to check properly that the transaction you're doing is not going to end up as a scam. Many are already aware of those tactics that will be leading into scamming and if you've seen those signals and red flags, don't proceed.
When someone buys or sells Bitcoin or any other crypto through P2P without the help of a bank.  Then of course they meet somewhere physically and then transact money or bitcoin then of course they can make a safe transaction.  But if Bitcoin is declared illegal in that country then it will be useful to them because if one party is involved with the police the other party can be arrested or the police can arrest both parties after getting information through a 3rd party sources. So there is high risk in this case too
There are pros and cons of actual P2P, without the intervention of the bank then physical presence is needed and we don't know if that's safe for both ends but I am sure that many of us would just like to choose the online transaction by having it on a safe platform.

Those people that are in a country where bitcoin is illegal and they try to meet in person for them to have a trade. It's possible that they may fall on an agent that tries to catch those people doing these trades.
Yes I think buying bitcoin through online bank will be a safer way than buying bitcoin or any crypto by physically meeting while maintaining distance. However, the use of banks is troublesome in one case that if you buy or sell bitcoins through the bank, the information is easily obtained by the government through the central bank, which also increases the tax problem. But there is high risk in buying and selling through physical meeting.  So I think it is better to buy and sell bitcoins through banks even if there are some tax issues
1180  Economy / Gambling / Re: What sort of Weekly & Monthly Bonuses do Bitcointalk members want? on: March 29, 2023, 10:49:07 PM
as I said earlier, indeed promotional bonuses, especially free spin bonuses or other bonuses, will certainly have conditions that must be met and it is not easy to achieve these conditions.
but speaking of bonuses, I prefer claim bonuses for example $5 or $10 provided the total wagered last 7 days is $1000 to $5000. it will be much more fun than the free spins bonus. because the free spin bonus is really very difficult, the conditions are compared to the claim bonus that I mentioned.
because to reach a total wager of $ 1000 is very easy when we are enjoying our bet slowly the total bet will increase. but for free spin bonuses, it will be difficult for us to get a win.
Well, let me tell you something. I don't know if I'm on the same page as you here. I mean, seriously, who doesn't love getting free stuff, especially when it comes to gambling? But hey, I hear you loud and clear about the conditions being harder to meet than a yogi doing a handstand on a tightrope. Not a piece of cake, my friend. Now, as far as these claim bonuses go, I can see how they could add some excitement to the game, but let's face it, we're not exactly high rollers here. I mean, five or ten bucks? That's like trying to buy a fancy dinner with fake Monopoly money.
I like how you say it and it's the truth ,of course when a person sees certain things in the game like bonuses , very attractive promotions, it's something that every player will take without hesitation, but since most of the things that benefit are not all the time good thing they don't read the terms and conditions or review the bonus criteria.

Most of the times that a bonus is taken without reading it is obvious that it is the player's fault, because it is thought that if that bonus is not taken quickly it will be the loss of valuable time, and the conditions of the bonuses are sometimes in my opinion cretirio very difficult to meet, every bonus and everything offered by the casino and that does not have the word "free" you have to pay attention,because you have to meet all the criteria in their entirety to be able to benefit.

weekly or monthly bonus doesn't matter for getting every single bonus a user have to fulfill specific requirement. like level up so I don't think a bonus system will play a important role for us. so I think a casino site should bring some new facilities then a bonus system if we can enjoy it very happily. if we want to enjoy the bonus then we have to fulfill some hard requirement in this case we can loss use our money by lossing  multiple bets or by something else. gambling is an Entertainment place and we are going there for fun. so i think bonus is not important things for us. it may important for him who gamble as his profession
it's simple when you gamble at one of the casinos that you think makes you comfortable and has bonuses that have certain conditions, gamble to your heart's content and have fun with every bet you make.
if your bet can meet the bonus requirements, take the bonus. but if while you are having fun with your bets but do not meet the bonus requirements, forget about the bonus and come back tomorrow to have fun at the casino again.
so in conclusion, gamble with fun. If you are lucky, you can reach the bonus conditions, that's your good day.
Of course it makes sense.  Because if someone gambles on the bonus power target he has to complete the Hughes amount bet in this case there is no guarantee that he will win every bet.  Example, if you complete 200 bets to get the bonus and lose 100 of them then you lose a large amount of money but instead of losing a large amount of money you can get a $10-$50 bonus.  So is it profitable? So I personally don't prioritize the bonus issue.  I gamble for fun and it's my luck if any of the bonus requirements are met.  But my intention is never to win a bonus
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