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1161  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2014, 02:17:23 PM
Down another five percent. So what?

Only 5% and before that only 7 and before that only 5 and before that only 3 and before that only 10 and in total only 60.
No problem. Everything looks fine.

And smart money can't wait to get in! And Gabi. It's bullish as hell really.

Ask yourself one question: Do you belief Bitcoin will reach 1000 USD again?

If the answer is yes, hold or buy. Simple as that.
1162  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2014, 02:07:33 PM
Down another five percent. So what?
1163  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2014, 12:10:46 PM
A one million USD Swap on Bitfinex  Shocked
1164  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
There are so many more BTC sold than existing due this shorting orgy. The short squeeze will come for sure.
1165  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2014, 03:22:19 PM
Enough whining! Let that bitcoin shit finally die.
1166  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 08, 2014, 12:15:20 PM
OK guys, i'm logging out for now. When i'm back i want to see a nice decent increase in price, alright?  Grin
1167  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why don't bull scammers put buy walls at $460? on: September 08, 2014, 11:54:52 AM
lol, gotcha  Grin Grin Grin

You've been left behind.
1168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why don't bull scammers put buy walls at $460? on: September 08, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
Seems huge speculators are stealthily selling their BC. Maybe they see something worse than we see. I hope not.

How many more accounts, fallling? Really, this is getting annoying.

Maybe you are getting out of your delusional mind?
Look the truth in the eye , we are going down down down.
Sell , let btc die and buy back at 30 dollars to buy some dope on silkroad.

No. Falllings hyperactivity is a strong buy signal. He must be really desperate why bitcoin is still growing and he's got left behind.
1169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why don't bull scammers put buy walls at $460? on: September 08, 2014, 11:38:47 AM
Seems huge speculators are stealthily selling their BC. Maybe they see something worse than we see. I hope not.

How many more accounts, fallling? Really, this is getting annoying.
1170  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 08, 2014, 11:25:19 AM
You noobs. I'm buying with both hands.
1171  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 07, 2014, 12:10:54 AM
For all those who fundamentally deny a relation between hashrate and price. Check the 60 day charts at blockchain.info and tell me theres no inverted proportionality.

See the charts for at least one year range, and you will see price rising and the hashrate too.

So you can find evidence of both kind of relation(direct and reverse), so I guess the hashrate alone is not a good predictor.

You are right. However in the long run hashrate/difficulty which is an estimate for the basic production cost per BTC (excluding HW, OC) will approach or even show congruency with the price per BTC. At least that is what Satoshi assumed: "The price of any commodity tends to gravitate toward the production cost. If the price is below cost, then production slows down. If the price is above cost, profit can be made by generating and selling more." Feb. 21, 2010 Satoshi Nakamoto

He meant that hashing power adapt to price: a self-regulating system, where price is an external factor.
But price will not adapt to hashing power, because the system of miners have no way to control it.

Miner can't control it but miners can act. By shutting inefficent HW.

You are right, the miners system can self-regulate itself in that way, essentially.


There are people that mine only to help the network. Not sure if they are significant.

Also shutting down inneficient HW might means more centralization

I'm also worried about mining centralization. But i don't believe in altruism. So anybody who is supporting the BTC network expects a positive outcome for himself like increased price, sustainability, growth. Thats not a bad thing. Thats how we tranlate bitcoin into reality.
1172  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Calling the Bottom on: September 06, 2014, 11:56:19 PM
Who is that rpietila guy anyway?
1173  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 06, 2014, 11:35:53 PM
For all those who fundamentally deny a relation between hashrate and price. Check the 60 day charts at blockchain.info and tell me theres no inverted proportionality.

See the charts for at least one year range, and you will see price rising and the hashrate too.

So you can find evidence of both kind of relation(direct and reverse), so I guess the hashrate alone is not a good predictor.

You are right. However in the long run hashrate/difficulty which is an estimate for the basic production cost per BTC (excluding HW, OC) will approach or even show congruency with the price per BTC. At least that is what Satoshi assumed: "The price of any commodity tends to gravitate toward the production cost. If the price is below cost, then production slows down. If the price is above cost, profit can be made by generating and selling more." Feb. 21, 2010 Satoshi Nakamoto

He meant that hashing power adapt to price: a self-regulating system, where price is an external factor.
But price will not adapt to hashing power, because the system of miners have no way to control it.

Miner can't control it but miners can act. By shutting down inefficent HW.
1174  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 06, 2014, 11:07:04 PM
For all those who fundamentally deny a relation between hashrate and price. Check the 60 day charts at blockchain.info and tell me theres no inverted proportionality.

See the charts for at least one year range, and you will see price rising and the hashrate too.

So you can find evidence of both kind of relation(direct and reverse), so I guess the hashrate alone is not a good predictor.

You are right. However in the long run hashrate/difficulty which is an estimate for the basic production cost per BTC (excluding HW, OC) will approach or even show congruency with the price per BTC. At least that is what Satoshi assumed: "The price of any commodity tends to gravitate toward the production cost. If the price is below cost, then production slows down. If the price is above cost, profit can be made by generating and selling more." Feb. 21, 2010 Satoshi Nakamoto
1175  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 06, 2014, 10:15:28 PM
For all those who fundamentally deny a relation between hashrate and price. Check the 60 day charts at blockchain.info and tell me theres no inverted proportionality.
1176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 06, 2014, 10:02:50 PM
Dumping 1k+ has less and less effect as demand is slowly but constantly increasing. BTW i expect another large dump within 8 hours. Reason: Hashrate peaked, Chinese ready to unload. But it probably will recover quite fast.
1177  Economy / Speculation / Re: You heard it hear 1st on: September 06, 2014, 12:34:18 PM
I understand bitcoin.  I'm saying, it is just as likely to hit $5,000 or sub $100.  Bitcoin will never be adopted massively.  because the masses and bitcoin are oxymorons.  Modern banking institutions aka the govt's will never have it where bitcoin can be adopted massively.

Sure bitcoin can be mass adopted when/if the bankers buy entire network and own bitcoin.  And take over the miners.  The era of exponential growth might just be ending nowadays, or at least for a long long time...

And lol at anonymity argument, it's not anonymous anymore.  

Views of a system slave Roll Eyes
Alone the usefulness of bitcoin for the dark web black market gives bitcoin a value of hundreds of dollars.
1178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 04, 2014, 11:00:32 AM
Doesnt look too bad for today.
1179  Economy / Speculation / Re: 350 dollars within weeks. on: September 02, 2014, 11:27:52 AM
Traduction from OP's post into real language: I missed out hard at being a BTC pioneer, so everytime it goes low I enjoy other people lossing wealth, even tho Bitcoin will be 10K in 2018, so I need to get in FAST as low as possible. Im also retarded enough to think making posts in BTCTalk will have any impact on the BTC price. Cheers.

+1
1180  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 02, 2014, 08:10:12 AM
Keep calm. Price will recover soon.
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