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1161  Other / Off-topic / Re: What Is Your Favorite Rock Band? on: June 17, 2013, 11:24:17 AM


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1162  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [HURRY-UP]--> !!! MY 3 x 300MH/s M USB MINERS 4 SALE!!! EU (Shipping-Worldwide!) on: June 17, 2013, 11:01:48 AM
You keep saying a reasonable offer, I offered you $300.00 cash for all 3 and you laughed at it, someone else offered you $600.00 cash for all 3.

So you tell us, what do you want for them, what is the magical reasonable offer that you are expecting?
1163  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Everyone Panic. There's a lawyer among us. [FinCEN Walkthrough on p2] on: June 17, 2013, 10:56:45 AM
Possibly relevant, a UK city is using local currency, which is akin to what we are doing except it is digital only and worldwide

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236424
1164  Other / Off-topic / Bristol pound is just one example of what local currencies can achieve on: June 17, 2013, 10:52:37 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/local-government-network/2013/jun/17/bristol-pound-local-currencies

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The budgets of local authorities are being cut while the needs of their populations remain the same. In this difficult financial environment, borrowing is rising. UK local authorities owed £81.8bn in the financial year 2011-12, costing hundreds of millions in interest on repayments.

However, borrowing on the money market is not going to do anything for the local economy. Faced with this reality, some councils are discovering that the use of local currencies offers an alternative to more cuts or debt.

Mayor Georg Moosbrugger from the Austrian village of Langenegg, which issues its own Talente currency, puts it best when he says: "Wherever the money rolls, there it has an effect. Local money doesn't roll very far and so it can get to work in my area."

The community council can decide which local taxes may be paid in local currency to subsidise the rural economy, keep purchasing power in the region and support cultural and educational organisations as well as solar energy generation. Social enterprises also accept local money in payment for local food, arts and crafts and holiday lets.

In Britain, local businesses in Brixton and Bristol can pay their rates in local pounds. The local authority uses this income to pay its employees, who then spend it with local businesses. The mayor of Bristol, George Ferguson, takes 100% of his salary in Bristol Pounds (₤B) and the chief executive accepts ₤5,000 of her salary in "local". The city also earns local currency from market traders who use their ₤B earnings to pay their pitch fees.

Now 50 Lambeth council employees even receive some of their wages in Brixton Pounds through the payroll and so increase spending in the local economy. Leader of Lambeth council, Lib Peck, says the Brixton Pound "has proved to be a really good way to encourage people to think and act locally. It encourages people to shop locally, supports our local businesses and fosters an even greater sense of local pride."

The Brixton and Bristol Pounds are run by not-for-profit community interest companies, which helps ensure that the local currency is run in the public interest.

In times of austerity, cities want to attract employers and tourists, but have little cash for marketing. International media coverage of the Brixton and Bristol Pound launches was worth hundreds of thousands of pounds in advertising, and promoted their vibrant and entrepreneurial communities.

The city of Nantes, France has been even more ambitious. Citizens and businesses will soon be able to earn local currency and use it to offer goods and services, pay for bus tickets, car parking and after-school activities and pay their rates.

A lot of the pioneering work has already been done. The New Economics Foundation, Tudor Trust, Doen Foundation and Qoin have supported the Brixton and Bristol Pound teams to develop the technology for both e-payments and for circulating notes with full security features.

The potential of local currencies as an innovative response to austerity and recession is even becoming recognised at European level. A European Union funded project Community Currencies in Action is now helping the public sector to understand the purpose and function of local currencies through a series of pilot projects. They have also established the legal basis for local currencies with the Financial Services Authority. Twenty other UK authorities have shown a serious interest and a number are currently developing local projects.

Professor Jem Bendell of the University of Cumbria, which offers training for local authorities and others in how to create and scale local currencies, says: "There is a need to experiment with new systems, and replicate what works."

In the Great Depression of the 1930s many local authorities created their own currencies to help put people back to work. They were eventually closed down by central banks and central governments. But could a more enlightened policy like this work today? Taking this view, local authorities could lead the economic revival of Britain, and some councils are already showing the way.

John Rogers offers consulting and training about local currencies.
1165  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Everyone Panic. There's a lawyer among us. [FinCEN Walkthrough on p2] on: June 17, 2013, 03:14:40 AM
I don't think you are.  If you are mining coins and holding them then you are a money transmitter. 

No, this is a common misconception.  Only those engaged as a business in mining and then converting the BTC to fiat are money transmitters.

What is the definition of "as a business"?

At what point does my hobby become a business?
1166  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Groupbuy] Jupiter KNCMiner (0.5 BTC shares) 12 sold! [CLOSED] !!! on: June 17, 2013, 12:43:21 AM
Okay, I've been reading through these posts and the PM, but can someone explain to me the benefit of going through the IPO versus keeping shares as they are? If we're getting paid the same either way, why switch over to the IPO arrangement?

Is the only benefit that there's no fee to sell my shares to someone else? Since I don't plan on doing that, is there another benefit worth setting up the accounts and transferring to the IPO? I'm honestly asking; no sarcasm here.

I think it has more to do with the management of it all.
bitfunder has tools that tyrion70 and blastbob need in order to manage all of the people and the shares that are outstanding.

I am ok with them not doing it via spreadsheet either.

just my 2 satoshi's
1167  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: TerraHash Group Buy @ 0.50 BTC on: June 17, 2013, 12:07:37 AM
I'm not saying it can't work. 180 GHZ for 85 Bitcoins.

85/.5 =  170 shares

180/170 = 1.059 MHZ

But that's if you do what you say you will without a legal contract.

Fair enough, I might not trust some guy on the internet either, but everybody has to start somewhere. Yes this is my first group buy, Yes I have zero trust, and Yes I am a capitalist looking to gain from my position.

If nobody goes for it then I will use my account for my own purposes and buy my own equipment with it, no harm no foul.

I just want more GH/s
1168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Here's the scammer behind notroll.in. Do what you want, he deserves justice. on: June 16, 2013, 11:57:24 PM

Honestly there is a good chance you could get your money back by contacting his parents.

This boy is a teen, he most likely lives with his parents. Inform them what happend, they ask him, he admits and there is a good chance they are going to pay.

Of course then comes step two. Who is going to accept the moniez? Maybe an escrow? Johnk?

And, who owns which shares?

JMHO

The above brings up a good point, if he is a teenager his parents are responsible for his actions. I am not sure about the laws outside of the U.S. can anybody chime in?
1169  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: June 16, 2013, 11:35:11 PM
Mining service is back online again.

I am working on getting backup pools in the client, multiple mining servers, and some other things that will help.


Anything we can do to help?
1170  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [HURRY-UP]--> !!! MY 3 x 300MH/s M USB MINERS 4 SALE!!! EU (Shipping-Worldwide!) on: June 16, 2013, 11:34:02 PM
Not against you at all, sorry if I came on too harsh, but the greed factor around hear is palpable.

People are dreaming of instant riches hearing about folks that bought 1000's when BTC was $.0001, and those days are simply not coming back.

The folks that bought 100's of these things are either really really greedy or have a cost basis in the single or very low double digits.

People are buying these units for more then they will ever pay back and leaving allot of people with bad tastes in their mouths and may not have good things to say about BTC when asked about it... This is the last thing that we need at this crucial point in time.


So you said that you are getting out of BTC?

Could this possibly have to due with the fact that you have not earned allot yet?

Edit: case in point:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195004.msg2494921;topicseen#msg2494921


That's setup in the photo will probably cost you well over $14,000 and has a total lower net hash than a BFL little single $1,299.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

M

Your BTC is the bird in the hand, the USB sticks are the birds in the bush.


Ouch when difficulty just hit 19 million. The block eruptor is now making just $0.75 a day (0.0078btc) at current prices. Forecast 1 year from today now is to just make $90 profit in total if the price remains around $100/btc.  This means in 12 months from today this usb stick will not even have mined 1 btc, despite costing 2btc+, with difficulty rises of 30% a month or more.

These are turning into a far worse deal quicker than i imagined!

M

Edit: btw the reason why I put a bid on them is to give them to a few friends at work that are susceptible skeptical, I wont be buying them a PC with a GPU in it to test with but I can do a simple USB stick to get them started.
1171  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Running MSI Afterburner remotely via RDP on: June 16, 2013, 11:24:57 PM
logmein free, works like a charm.
I can use it via my iPhone too.
1172  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [HURRY-UP]--> !!! MY 3 x 300MH/s M USB MINERS 4 SALE!!! EU (Shipping-Worldwide!) on: June 16, 2013, 11:21:19 PM
I just want to underline that you are buying HARDWARE, then you could see @ daily income as a dividend............  2x usb miners means DAILY the weekly dividend of one AM share I think.. Tongue

If they are so great then why are you insisting on selling them at cost?

1 GH/s yields about .025 BTC per day you bought them for what 6+ BTC?

It will take you at least 240 days to ROI and this is not taking into account diff rising. Diff is now at 19.3 MM

These will NEVER ROI at this price EVER



Sorry, but you are not getting the point...

AM shares ROI is about 2.5years atm but people still go crazy buying them... ...blades @50BTC and so on.................
I repeat you are buying HARDWARE anyway... if you have time, you could re-sell it on ebay or to a collectioner in one year maybe.... Wink

regards!


Sorry, hardware in the IT world does not work like that. Prices on ebay are plummeting, 1 week ago the prices were easily getting 500+ now they barely get 300.00 and that is for retards on ebay that cannot do math.

Which is also why people are selling off their blades left and right, because of the price! They overspend and want to get their money back, just like you are.
1173  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: June 16, 2013, 11:17:04 PM
Simply use backup pools and the problem doesn't exist ... it's been well known for a VERY LONG TIME ... so if software STILL doesn't have it ... use something written in the last ... 18-24 months that does ...

Understood, but for newbs and the like it is really easy to use his java applet and it has a nice interface to boot.

I choose it because cgminer 3.02(I think it was) couldn't see my second GPU.

I downloaded 3.2.1 and am finally up and running with a CLI, which I may just stick with.
1174  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: June 16, 2013, 11:15:07 PM
The pool is completly offline?!

Yes and has been for at least a couple of hours as far as I can tell.
1175  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [HURRY-UP]--> !!! MY 3 x 300MH/s M USB MINERS 4 SALE!!! EU (Shipping-Worldwide!) on: June 16, 2013, 11:13:02 PM
I just want to underline that you are buying HARDWARE, then you could see @ daily income as a dividend............  2x usb miners means DAILY the weekly dividend of one AM share I think.. Tongue

If they are so great then why are you insisting on selling them at cost?

1 GH/s yields about .025 BTC per day you bought them for what 6+ BTC?

It will take you at least 240 days to ROI and this is not taking into account diff rising. Diff is now at 19.3 MM

These will NEVER ROI at this price EVER

1176  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [HURRY-UP]--> !!! MY 3 x 300MH/s M USB MINERS 4 SALE!!! EU (Shipping-Worldwide!) on: June 16, 2013, 10:59:57 PM
You do realize that @ $200.00 a piece they will never ROI?
1177  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [HURRY-UP]--> !!! MY 3 x 300MH/s M USB MINERS 4 SALE!!! EU (Shipping-Worldwide!) on: June 16, 2013, 10:35:25 PM
All 3 for $300.00
1178  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: June 16, 2013, 10:32:56 PM
An option for backup pool to the java client would be useful Smiley

+1
+10 Wink

We desperately need a backup pool, I had to temporarily switch to slush's pool for now until you can get yours back up and running.
1179  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Groupbuy] Jupiter KNCMiner (0.5 BTC shares) 12 sold! [CLOSED] !!! on: June 16, 2013, 10:25:19 PM
You guys have nothing to worry about in regards to bitfunder and weexchange, I can confirm that it works well and both are polished and professional.
1180  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [12 TH/s] BitMinter.com [ASIC support: var diff, Stratum, GBT, rollntime] on: June 16, 2013, 09:26:35 PM
anything we can do to help?

Hosting?
Can we move it to amazon?
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