all them 12 doctors have flaws
i skipped most o them because they so flawed it went beyond beleif. so i then just picked one to prove a point.. but here goes.. just for u

Dr 1: '1m infections=30 deaths a day for 100days... =3k deaths'
well actual numbers just for US are now ~1m tested positive.. and 50k deaths.. thats ~17x higher
im guessing this doctor thinks he has a IQ of 10.. oops in his maths he means 170

Dr2: jsut makes a financial rant.. no medical or numbers. just points fingers that scientists want to be famous and rich by making speaches and getting seen in media... oh a hypocrit

Dr3: i already explained this one.. but he also just ranted about being afraid of the consequences of not letting people touch each other.. im thinking he has a fetish.. but the numbers. 1 case in 1000 and death 1 in 20k has already been explained.

Dr4: he says about case fatality rate of people in full quarantine. so if no quarantine. like no isolation rules.. the numbers would be far more dangerous. thus quarantine works to delay the spread
he also notes that he thinks its the flu.. however if it was just the flu and the progress of the symptomology was just like the flu.. then doctors would not be having a problem with it... but they are.. so its not the flu

Dr5: '40-50 deaths' during a march 22 interview.. as someone else said.. that guy just dont know his numbers

Dr6: contradicts Dr3's numbers.. by saying 1 in 1000 infected people die.. not 1 in 20,000.. yet still presumes that its normal
(facepalm)
rants about how closing schools because it prevents the kids qickly getting it... no sh*t. and thats the very reason to actually implement the 'stay home' policy. hospitals just dont have the capacity to deal the numbers

Dr7: worries about how the end of the lockdown should be implements but says it should happen BEFORE a vaccine is made..
that sounds more like they are an antivaxxer not a doctor

Dr8: talks about how germany are getting it with mainly old guys
yet stats show:  29 children under the age of 14..... 891 aged groups 15 to 59... 142 aged 60+
also testing was done based on people going into hospital with symptoms related to know covid symptoms and thus tested to be sure... it was not just some random test of dragging people off the street,

Dr9: says only 4000 deaths as of march 9th.. (facepalm)
hes french which has a total pop of 65m.. and says its normal that over 2.6m die a year just from normal respiratory issues..
he is mixing up international numbers vs local numbers to confuse things
heck france only has 730k births a year.. so he suggesting the population is decreasing by 1.5m a year just from 'regular respiratory death.. no one left in 40 years if we folow his numbers.. right,,,
.. or he just doesnt know his numbers

Dr10: just rants about the social life effects.. no medical stat or numbers.

Dr11: just ranting about the business/work impact.. no medical stats or numbers

dr12: just ranting about the isolation impact on work social life.. no medical stats or numbers

........
summary.
non of these "doctors" ever mentioned r0 or showed any compassion or thoughts of those needing hospital care/funeral homes. .. i dont think any of them spent a day in an ICU ward in the last 3 months

porton down
google it, go try surprising yourself with a challenge to actually go research

edit: to respond to below
you have no clue what here say is.. but if you wanna play that game your links are hearsay too.. so stop posting them

by the way. its why i am asking you to research it yourself so you have more direct contact with finding the info. because if i spoon fed it to you like you wish. youd just play the ignorant hearsay card even louder

but atleast i now know your stupid excuse for being so dumb and refuse to even try learning things
ill give you a couple days before you start to get mixed up between the lack of legal knowledge and lack of religious knowledge and start shouting heresy instead

you have it quadruple backward. basically ur just spinning in circles now

so when someone is sick and they are tested. are you saying they are excluded because they recovered??
that again means the only ones sowing as covid positive are dead

or

they didnt test the non symptomatic.. after all take food poisoning example. if someone is poisoned in mcdconalds.. but 99% of people havnt ate at mcdonalds.. there is no point even testing the 99%
in china forinstance. those that got sick they tested AND those who they were near.
this made them quite accurate of knowing the whole asymptomatic:symptomatic ratio
similar things were done on some cruise ships they isolated

so actual doctors and scientists that are actually first hand involved know alot more then some youtubers personal family doctor who he goes to when he has a wart or needs normal family health advice

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badecker.. atleast try to do some maths and actual research
you seem to be an asskisser that would make crap up to defend the rep of some youtube guy your fangirling over at the moment. rather than thinking about the content that is being said within the video

so how about go research the content. and stop promoting the guy

oh so much fail in just the first few minutes
in the first 2 minutes he talks about 'the test' where he thinks that when peopel are tested it only tests if they actively have it.. and if not its negative...
totally ignoring the other tests that are done..

also he then says that the case fatality rate.. he said it does not include those who got infected and recovered..

if that were true the fatality rate would be 100%.. why.. because only dead people never recover

common sense stuff
this guy seems to be exagerating and misrepresenting alot..

the truth is only those that are sick enough to need hospital are tested.
and from those in the severe need hospital criteria. some do survive. and the fatality rate is not 100% which he pretends it is by his interpretation of how the calculation is calculated.

seriously.. when will people actually start looking at the research and not some professor who is not himself an ICU consultant on actual hospital wards actually servicing patients


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screw it leets carry on..
at just 3:45 the next misunderstanding occured.
the video saus from first seen on january 1st. to march 9th. if the math is done 6m would need to be infected.
on march 23th 499 deaths =0.01% fatality rate..

here is the mislead
1. 6mill were not tested 6mill dont have it.. why
becaise self isolation
less people have it. yes self isolation does not cause infection. it does not cause immunisation. it causes delay in getting it.
the 6m number is a fake number
what the video done was take a number of ~500 deaths. and then multiply it by more then 10000. add a bit more. and then say that 6mill is a significant number from somewhere..
that number is not based on any real stat. but done by fools making up numbers. to make the death rate seem small
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here ill give you an example
i have 2 eyes.. if i multiply it by 3 .. i can say in a 3 headed man there should only be 2 eyes and thats what the number indicate.
see making things up by jumbling numbers.. a 3 headed person (6mill had it) is a made up thing


i really do find it stupid when people cant even use common sense or crunch number properly or even do some research
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ICU doctors and the CDC have more info than that youtubers personal friend ..
.. ok not even at 5 minutes but ill cntinue

so 4:45 he says that the expectant is between one end 50k100k deaths vs other end 2-4mill..
well
ill just quote this

Medical-Surgical Intensive Care 4 Beds in Community Hospitals 55,663
Cardiac Intensive Care 5 Beds in Community Hospitals 15,160
Neonatal Intensive Care 6 Beds in Community Hospitals 22,721
Pediatric Intensive Care 7 Beds in Community Hospitals 5,115
Burn Care 8 Beds in Community Hospitals 1,198
Other Intensive Care 9 Beds in Community Hospitals 7,419

thats like ~100k beds that could be utilitised but would involve some adaptation and moving around to make isolated from other wards.. aswell as kicking out the current patients using them..

so even at that guys low end of 50k-100k.. there just aint enough to think of this pandemic as just a usual thing to expereince in life..
things needed to change, shift wards around train staff, get extra supplies, more ventilators etc.
so the self isolation was done.. to DELAY  the spread.. emphasis DELAY not cure

.. one last thing
if lets say january 1st was the 'seed' date.. and r0 was 2.6peopel in a normal 7 day contageous period
by march 23 would be something like 36k infected.. not 6m

for there to even be a number of 6m in third week of march. would require 150 people already infected actually in USA on january 1st
sorry but that 6m number has absolute no meaning. no math. no actual realistic bases.

have a nice day
3 debunks in just the first 5 minutes of the video..

your youtube videos are of non medical guys making opinions..
video i linked was of an active dotor showing scans of HIS patients HE has treated

i dare you try to actually speak to active doctors who only salary is for working in the ICU and actually seeing patients..
most of your conspiracy references are of non medica influencers and hiring ex-doctors who are now getting paid to do interviews. and have not personally themselves seen a patient with covid first hand

so as you love the whole 'take it to court' .. the link i linked shows more factual merit then your links..

here is an analogy
its like a retired mechanic who has not touched a car in 10 years. being paid to do an interview about how tesla cars are fake because his experience is that cars are only combustion engine and he has never had to repair an electric car..

you would stupidly then claim tesla is fake.. why.. because your an idiot that does not think about things
now go try and research

actually they are some tests for the specific strain..
using UK as an example.
porton down is actually studying and testing it using proper tests.
the in america CDC is too..

yes most countries hospitals are/were usng old tests for general corona and not specific tests for just one new strain.. but here is the big thing which for over a month know you are ignoring

the machines and chemicals needed to make tests for something specifically new take time to make.
right now theres only enough for a small amount of testing.

this is another reason to self isolate. to prevent high majority from getting it YET. so they can prepare. and then once they have more hospital beds, more ventilators to treat. and then more easy access to test people at discharge.. then isolation can be lifted in some stages.

self isolation is not the end of the spread/event. its the calm before the storm
please again for the many times i have had to tell you in many topics. just do your research.
the video you keep linking is just opinion of a guy that took a bit of info and is mis-representing it to drum up some attention from certain people of easily duped minds.

try to not just believe what that video says as is. actually take the info. then research it. take it back to source data and understand the source data not the videos interpretation.

just for once put some effort in
..
but i bet you will just reply with an excuse to avoid research and still deny there is a new strain and deny that anyone has ever had it.. like a typical reply you make

did you actually bother to even read it
one guy moans about 'only 1 in 1000 reported. and death is 1 in 20,000'

do the maths. for every 20 reports there are 1 death = 5%
guess what
the reason why only 1in 1000 reported is because

if we take say 30k people.. 27k will be self isolating and not even get it yet..
of the 3k that get it ~90% wont need hospital care due to non symptomatic/mild.

so 300 reported as the are complaining or more stronger symptoms.. and of that 15 die

so the math works.. but here is the thing
thats only 10% population herd immunity (gathering together and spreading)
just wait until the other 90% decided to mingle...

ill explain it more simply
its only 15 deaths in this example because of self isolation. if all 100% of people mingled in public it would be more like 150
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which 150 death of 30,000 is likesaying out of 11 million in wuhan 1.1m more than mild and 55k death

yep wuhan escaped 55k death and instead got more like under 5k death.. why.. because more than 90% self isolated..

what is not being said is them 90% will get it eventually
a second wave is actually a real risk. not fantasy

self isolation did not immunise the city.. it delayed who gets it. 90% of wuhan have still yet to get it..
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so even by using his maths.. the numbers add up to it being a bad thing
you just have to realise that the event is not over.. this is calm before storm

i explained this to you before and used an example of the UK method of doing it..
how about instead of just blindly believing a youtuber who himself is not first hand knowledge.. you actually do what i did and research behind the words he said

i already debunked just the first 10 minute stuff he said.. which you seem ignorant to not want to admit.. so how about just stop actually being spoonfed and believing stuff found on youtube and instead actually do some research

here is another myth debunked
the whole conspiracy that death stats are done by looking at the ICD-10 codes of a birth certificate and if corona is on the list then its reported as a corona death.. is wrong
one simple reason. death certificates are files 5 days later and that report does to a totally different department
the 'live data' daily released to public is sourced more direct from doctors reporting patients in ICU who were in the severe/critical group. who then died because they couldnt get over the symptoms related to covid

you wont find a covid death listed with symptoms of blood loss or crushing injuries where they had an accident/shot, but were simply asymptomatic of corona but positive tested for it.

just wake up
by the way you are now super obsessed with that single link.. stupidly your cant even be bothered to research whats actually being said in that video.. ignorance, lazy, stupid.. pick your flaw. because im starting to think its all of them

no no no no no
you have no clue

the numbers provided to things lie stanford and worldometer are direct from doctors on the scene reporting those who are symptomatic of symptoms specific to covid, and where the covid symptoms exacerbate to such an extent that the covid symptoms are the actual cause

separately like 5 days later when an actual death certificate is filed. where for instance it lists the things like respiratory distress and fever and covid test positive.

a separate department hold separate stats where a ill emphasis this . a separate department creates stats of those that die and atleast just show covid positive test result.

these are two different statistics. and the public statistic of those dying due to symptoms related to covid is the one that the public are seeing.

please do your research
those dying due to exacerbated respiritory distress caused by pneumonia, caused by covid would be a covid death
you will not see a covid death having a direct cause of blood loss(gunshot).. nor spinal/crush damage(traffic accident).

just realise that youtube conspiracy guys grabing info from blogs. are not the same as what doctors are actually reporting. because doctors are reporting actual cause of death

his game is not to win cases
his game is to cause legal delays.
this is so that while case B,C,D is active. case A cant proceed

case A is the Australian government wanting their tax back.
he is just trying to delay it until its out of statute of limitations.
he did not realise that what he done in case A is actually criminal not contractual. so statute of limitations does not apply
so his next game is to scam people to get money. to then pay back the first scams (run a ponzi to pay off his past scams)

this is where he makes fake patents and tries suing people. making them think that he will keep them wrapped up in expensive lengthy legal stuff, where he hopes people will just pay him to stop.

this is a well known scam thats been going around for ages its called patent trolling

its people like his best friend calvin ayres that first invested into CSW. and then realised he wont get any returns as there is no bitcoin hoard.. however instead of calling it out and just treating it as a loss.. he joined in and wants CSW to scam more and double down, do patent trolling, book deals, try to extort settlements.etc

you think that the EU should ally and form a force against the UK

are you really that lost that you think that hate is the answer.

i propose that the EU should just house them.. no anger no racial finger pointing. just house them

you seem to be on a complete mission to create divide and to cause tension with all your thoughts. you seem to be very racial and very angry.

have you ever thought of a calm peaceful solution.. i doubt it

ok.. the thumpnail of the video seems to make YOU and others think that the steel girders must have come from low down the building.. (the subliminal primer)

the narrater then explains that the force needed to push it 2 football feilds from such a low level must have been huge..

but.. physics and common sense and science.. which is something he hints at. is that girders from the 90th floor dont need that much force.
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the real funny thing i find with conspiracy theorists is
when there is no big word changing event. they like to cause a conspiracy that the world should be in panic and utopia is impossible..
when there actually is a world changing event. they like to invent a conspiracy that the world is actually utopia and the event is fake.

seems like there is no pleasing these people. no matter if something is happening or not.
i bet they still think that all the fire fighters of 9-11 are still alive but living on an island with elvis too

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one last thing about explosives used in demolition
architects know and design buildings to fall in on themselves .. thats how they are built. they are not designed to fall sideways like trees being lumbered. regulations see to that because in huge dense area's they dont want earthquakes or planes causing buildings to tople sideways like a path of dominos.
so safety regulations ensure building design have it that if the columns defect. it crumbles DOWN.

the next part is if a column is not defected due to earthquake, being struck by large object. and they plan to take it down then they only use enough explosives to defect the columns. they would not load it with enough explosives to send shrapnil 2 football fields away. again safety regs are involved... and common sense

lastly if there were explosives involved and enough to actually cause the force of a 2 footbal field velocity at the stupid low floor level the video trues to subliminal suggest. the "bang bang bang bang" would be HUGE
much more apparent and more visable than normal controlled demolition

there was not standard demolition explosive bang bang bang sounds nor extreme bang bang bang bang sounds
so that rules out both posibilities of explosives.

all that is left is the stupid subliminal propaganda that the girder came from a low level floor..
again common sense suggests other wise. but it is obvious that people dont want to admit the obvious and instead want to set up/suggest that it wasnt from near the 90th floor but more likely from the first floor.. just to push their conspiracy

if 1 person turns up sick on the 18th of december.. and one doctor treats them.. is this worthy of calling it a pandemic and alerting the world.. no

if a dozen people in the next 3 weeks come into hospital with similar symptoms.. and its found out to be from a single isolated location like a wet market.. is this enough to declare pandemic.. no
because at this point they did not have the rna test results to know for sure if this was seasonal flu or a new varient.

results came back on january 7th and by january 9th the world knew.. this to me is sensible timeline and practical assurance they done the things corectly rather then shouting wolf at every hospital admittance.

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what was bad. was most countries then took 2 months to do anything
from january to march UK/US continued to try bringing US/UK people from china to the US/UK.. thus bringing it over to the US/UK
what should have been done was the US/UK the people in china money to stay in a hotel and ensure their foreign medical care/travel insurance would pay out if they needed to be treated in china..

that would have been the real smart thing to do. to truly curb the spread.
the fact that it was not until march until UK/US started expanding hospital bed capacity. was a flaw too.
china was doing it at the end of january. so why were other countries not doing the same

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as for the numbers. NO country has accurate numbers
people coughing and have temperatures while staying home are not being tested.

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in china they actually got their act together and traced back everyone that was in contact with known corona recipients and isolated them and done daily welfare checks on them beyond the standard self isolation stuff
they provided those direct contact people with daily food and stuff so that there was absolute no need to leave their homes.
again above and beyond the self isolation protocols of other countries..

but yes a few slipped out the net and there are other cases not strictly monitored and tested.
but compared to other countries.. well i dont see a problem with china methods compared to other countries.


if UK/US didnt import the virus in with their 'repatriation' flights. less would be sick
if UK/US started manufacturing more supplies and ventilators and retaining staff that usually are not ICU specialised into a standard that can handle the more intense stuff. and got more beds in february.
then the lockdown would be even more effective then it is now.
yes the lockdown is doing some good. but not as much as it could if hospital capacity was at it optimum intime
. this whole self isolate and then try to get manufacturing done while simultaneously saying to workers its ok to take a couple months off work you wont lose your job, just contradicts any good policy.

the first stage of 'delay the spread' should have been not repatriating vacationers. but instead fund them to extend their vacation IN CHINA.
then expand hospital capacity in jan/february(not 2 months later in march/april)
.. then repatriate the vacationers. and actually monitor them by knowing everyone they come into contact with..

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but everything i said.. is all in hindsight.
yea i admit it in hindsight we can all sound like we know better. but atleast we can use this as a learning experience to form a policy/plan should it occur again. and not just be racially profiling/finger pointing

if you really want to cling onto a bit of government/corporate corruption.. here is something that is actually factual for you to delve into and concentrate on

how the healthcare industry is over funded for the management/investors. but underfunded for the front line actual service that is actually suppose to be funded.

there is not enough staff, equipment and beds to actually look after enough people

.. no go research it and actually try helping yourself by following the right path.
yep it fits your mindset and your topic interest, so i see no reason for you to not want to go down that path.
plus it will teach you the reality of actual issues that are actually happening.. so a win for you and a win for everyone else to finally see you start making sense by knowing some real stuff

now go research it

it is not...
it grabs lots of little bits of info.. and then misrepresents it.
but because it grabbed a small piece of data here and a small piece of data there then stupid people will believe it

but if you actually listen to what they are saying about all the info. you soon realise that their getting it wrong with their conclusions

its like scammers.
a scammer can list 2 things which are general info available elsewhere. and then the thier thing is their target scammy lie they want to promote

EG
a. wash hands for 20 seconds
b. stay 2 metres apart
c. buy silver and ingest it because its the miracle cure

fools like you will think because a and b are widely found info points c must be true too
your not actually researching the proper guidance nor the science nor the technicals to realise it

so here is 2 conclusions made in just the first 10 minutes of that video where a and b are info points and c is bad/wrong conclusions because they didnt and you dont understand the info points

a. estimates for uk were 500k deaths
b. estimates for uk decreased to 20k deaths
c. they can handle it

this is where c is wrong because there are only 4k beds.

a. estimates for were 500k deaths
b. estimates for uk decreased to 20k deaths
c. isolation is not needed

this is where c is wrong because the only reason the 20k number was revised is because of isolation.. without isolation the numbers can be higher than 20k.. stopping isolation now wll ensure it becomes higher than 20k deaths.

here is just one very simple and basic question for you. just one.
do you think the UK hospitals have way more than 500k ICU beds and 500k ventilators to actually treat everyone?

this 2 minute segment of a video explains the process best
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Bt9KQ8q6WJE?start=803&end=906

to go into detail. the pneumonia (hard to breath due to fluid in lungs) is the bodies immuno response trying to react to the virus in the alveoli and flooding it with fluid trying to contain it and remove it.
however patients suffer from breathing issues.. so without having the immuno response treated and given air to keep the body alive. they die
if given just air. no meds,, the pneumonia takes over and floods the lungs = dead or deoxygenated for days
if given air and just antiimflamitories. pneumonia retreats but virus then can start damaging cells =dead or lung damage long term
if given air anti-imflamatories and antivirals. body can do more =best case survive with little or no long term damage
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the long term damage (more then pneumonia) is if the virus gets to the cell destruction stage
pneumonia alone is just fluid reaction in the lung.
yes with a virus its more then just fluid that needs to be dealt with
but then saying that just at the pneumonia stage that lungs are going to be guaranteed to be cell destroyed is not accurate
its why swift treatment of air antiimflammatories and antivirals (no single magic one pill cure) to stop the person suffocating. stop the virus from cell destruction to hope to get the person recovered without long term effects.
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the ground glass is not where there is actual glass like particles in the lungs.
its not describing an actual particle type. its just describing the visual look of a hazy image compared to a clear transparent image
i have seen too many people think that the lungs are filling with hard materials like glass/paving brick. no. its just a visual descriptor of how clear or hazy /pattern the pneumonia fluid build up is

do the research beyond the video
actually find something substantial beyond just the video


you seem too swept into just believing something that is liked on youtube that you dont even bother researching beyond
.. then like most of the time. when you do bother to realise something.. you then deny you ever referenced and believed the stuff you linked in the first place and pretend it was those opposing you that believe it
which is such childish tactics

your the bible believer and now ur saying some how that its me that thinks its fact and i said its fact?
you really do not know how to understand basics.

typical tactic.
when you cant prove something. you then deny that you said it or deny you referenced it and accuse the other person of referencing it and believing it..
you really have no sense of reality

your the idiot that brought up how you beleive the bible to be true fact first person account of stuff in the past..
now your saying you cant prove how such facts stayed factual..

which is it
the priests that wrote the bible were first person witnesses of adam and eve and they wrote it while observing the events..
or
paper and pen and priests did not witness it but came up with campfire stories centuries later and decided to write it down

come on, you love to pretend you enjoy first person witnesses and dislike hearsay.. so explain it using facts and proof.. or shut up
dont reply unless providing facts and proof that it was not hearsay.

ok so just watched the first 10 minutes
lots of rants mainly about them complaining that this is an event not seen before

then saying how one guy predicted 500k UK deaths.. then reduced to 20k
due to self isolation models

again this is deaths.. meaning others with severe symptoms survive because they got hospital treatment
again corona is not fine one day dead 2 minutes later. its actually where for the severe it causes respiratory distress for days. needing hospital care for days

again even if it was like 40k severity.. under isolation models UK only has 4k ICU beds
and if all 40k got it at short time. 36k dead
but staggering it abit.. where they hop people in and out of ICU every 7 days for 2 months (8 stages)
they could possibly handle 32k patients over 2 months..
but guess what 40k severe vs 32k handle =8k not able to handle
its not been 2 months yet and numbers are climbing by ~700 a day .. because... there aint enough beds and staff and equipment

hospitals just cannot cope if everyone was freely mingling because the numbers would be much high
well over 90% have not even got it yet
do you get why the drop from 500k to 40k was done..

UK is not using stats of those asymptomatic at home. but hospital stats of people that need extra care.
do you get it yet.

if you think its bad now. wait until the other majority of the population get it
there actually is a point to self isolation

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its really you that should watch the video in 10 minute segments. and then actually investigate and research stuff
actually understand it.. not just from the prospective of the guy on youtube. but by actually doing some math. checking some numbers. looking at source data. comparing it. and actually using some common sense