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1  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Inflation Necessary on: Today at 09:10:11 AM
We need to get out of this system that's the only solution we can propose to the inflation we are facing. If we continue to live under these situations we will never get the benefit of living a wealthy and healthy life.

yep it would be great to escape it. but we as citizens cant exactly request those governing us to change. they own and control and set the limits of the monetary system we are slaves to and our 4-year vote doesnt really give us much voice over change.. just a 4 year vote on the management people that manage us
2  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Inflation Necessary on: Today at 08:27:23 AM
populations grow first and naturally so
this then causes demand which needs a supply to meet demand (even before productivity)
good inflation would stay at 2% IF money printing matched population growth and its economic productivity rate
That would justify circulating supply but NOT the inflation. Inflation happens when there is more supply (of fiat) than demand and it only happens when they print more money than they should. Otherwise population growth is only a small contributing factor to the demand for more fiat in circulation (still not for inflation).

nooo
your getting your chickens and eggs in the wrong order..
look at the topic question
i gave an example of it being necessary(when its controlled)

the separate question of excessive inflation is when its not necessary(not helpful, not beneficial, not needed)

the printing of money does not happen at the same time as the population growth so there is always an over supply of money before it trickles out to the population need. and peoples needs expand as technology and products get invented. so the amount of money needed expands
(its cyclical)

in a controlled system these increases would be small. .. but still necessary

EG markets will compete for peoples money and markets then need to pay people for the work so they can then spend to consume those products
(everyone always want more in the fiat system)

(chicken)
EG a couple about to have a kid know their household income would need to increase so they need a pay rise. getting a pay rise incurs extra costs on their employer.. which means although parent is less productive than their younger selves(age slows people down) their income:productivity rate changes where they need more income for less production

 so their employer needs to raise price of goods before the families child grows up to become an independent productive member of society, earning their own income and consuming from that separate from the parent,
so for many years of adolescence. the parents will need more income for each parent. meaning each parents employer will need to pay each parent more which means the price of goods goes up but the productivity does not
and with more money needed in these child developing years(population growth) there is a need for more money in society until the child becomes a productive member of society to then circulate the money increase to stabilise the inflation..

but with that years later(egg)
EG the amount of money a young single adult needs to live on whilst living in parents house with no kids of their own is less for the young adults than the amount a middle-aged parents needs who has a family where parents income needs to be higher to cater to his growing family,

by which time the cycle starts again with the young adult then starting a family

do you now see the whole picture...

yes in a different universe that was not FIAT based.. inflation is not needed and we would live in a deflationary system where each year our average savings/income would be worth more produce per unit, so would spend less units per product..

but the reality of the real world we actually live in, of the real world systems of fiat which does exist outside of our dreams/outside the crypto communities.. inflation is needed to keep the fiat system running.
we as individuals do not own the fiat system, we are the slaves to it. but its the system that is most active amongst populations so we have to admit its existence and relevance to the greater population utility

we may not like being slaves to the fiat system, hence things like bitcoin are an genius asset that was created for those who want something better. but bitcoin is not the system used by the legal systems and government of the lands we live on
and in the world of admitting fiat exists and is used by the majority, that fiat system needs inflation to operate. however the amount of inflation can change from good(necessary) to bad depending on the amount of inflation

the fiat system would crash if it was 0% inflation and humans would notice financial issues affecting their lives if it was 0%
3  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Inflation Necessary on: April 26, 2024, 08:35:10 AM
a. population increase
if more currency didnt get printed, generation growth would happen but each person would have less cash each
You are confusing supply and demand with inflation.
Printing money (increasing fiat supply) doesn't automatically mean inflation. Where that printed money goes can lead to inflation. They also don't print it based on population, they print money (or should print money) based on demand which could be simply referred to as the "production capacity".

But in reality they print money to cover their budget deficits which doesn't go into production so it causes inflation. For example US doesn't print $1 trillion every 100 days because US population is suddenly growing, or the US economy is growing. Neither one of these are happening. What is happening is a massive budget deficit that they have to cover by printing that much money.

you got things completely the wrong way round

populations grow first and naturally so
this then causes demand which needs a supply to meet demand (even before productivity)
good inflation would stay at 2% IF money printing matched population growth and its economic productivity rate

however when they aimlessly over print more than the rate of population+REAL productivity.. that then makes businesses see an influx of too much cash so they raise their price and thats when inflation turns bad
4  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Inflation Necessary on: April 25, 2024, 11:41:49 PM
yes, proper well managed inflation is necessary for fiat currencies

2 reasons
a. population increase
if more currency didnt get printed, generation growth would happen but each person would have less cash each

b. world economics
when other countries grow economically a competing country needs to also economically to stay in the same ranks

so yes  inflation is needed..
.. BUT when inflation outpaces population growth, and printing occurs outside of real growth of production economics. thats when inflation turns bad

in short printing for the sake of printing where each new money lump print does not benefit the general populous but gets lost in the upper echelons of the elite, done just to fake boost the rankings without the funds being used to boost the utility/productivity of the population.. its bad
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I don’t like the term “crypto” on: April 25, 2024, 08:50:25 PM
crypto is more of a shortened word for all cryptocurrency

however some define individual coins differently
digital assets, digital commodities, tokens, coins, meme-stock, crap coins
deflationary currencies,

there is no law on how you define it, there is no law forcing everyone to call bitcoin a 'crypto'.
just use terms that describe them properly(good adjectives/nouns) and make the descriptor popular

and also "Cryptography" which is what all Crypto "projects" are based on.

Unfortunately because of the negative rhetoric over the years from financiers, politicians and news outlets
Bitcoin was primarily at the centre of their attacks. Now even though Bitcoin has garnered a better view
from the groups above it is seen to be included in any report about scams or negativity about $hitcoins
in the news. They obviously dont/cant differentiate the difference between Bitcoin and Crypto/$shitcoins.

Unfortunately, it is what it is and really nothing is going to change.

for centuries people used to hoard wealth
now people see hoarding as something poor people do with your waste

so now they say hodl
people do not have laws that assert they should always use a term.
people can invent a new word and if it makes people like using the new word people will use it

so go ahead make a new term
EG just stop using the word crypto and instead use digital currency.
or make a new word
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Runes will be worthless. Don't waste your precious BTC on huge fees. on: April 25, 2024, 12:50:06 PM
@franky1: A full node is every node hosting all the data necessary to validate Bitcoin transactions. It should not be necessary to host the "original" data.

learn the word FULL or become a FOOL
pretending something is FULL when it doesnt do FULL tasks. doesnt mean its FULL
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I don’t like the term “crypto” on: April 24, 2024, 09:32:13 PM
crypto is more of a shortened word for all cryptocurrency

however some define individual coins differently
digital assets, digital commodities, tokens, coins, meme-stock, crap coins
deflationary currencies,

there is no law on how you define it, there is no law forcing everyone to call bitcoin a 'crypto'.
just use terms that describe them properly(good adjectives/nouns) and make the descriptor popular
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC Investing To Now Taxable Events on: April 24, 2024, 09:02:08 PM
moving any asset/commodity/security to fiat is a taxable event
but now CEX's have to report events, means the taxman has proof of events which you then hav to declare in your own filings

the only options are to know enough taxlaw to know the loopholes to avoid tax in such events(legal).. or find ways to swap to fiat outside of reporting services to evade tax(illegal)

main tricks are what the elites do
dont 'spend' value(buy/sell), personally lend value as loans are not taxable
its literally a process similar to fiat exchanging, but word it right and create your own paperwork to show it worded as such, it suddenly becomes a double sided personal loan to each other which cancels each other out the same day(paid in full)

speak to an accountant/tax specialist
9  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: I miss Faucets on: April 24, 2024, 08:10:31 PM
I'm glad Bitcoin has become so main stream, but I do miss the days of being able to type your BTC address into a random website and then *POOF* some BTC pops into your wallet.  I should have listened and kept my coins off the exchange but here we are.  Just happy to be back in the space again    Cheesy

being mainstream means more opportunity to get some sats(just not for free, you gotta work for it).. just dont be conned into being told the future is to lock your sats up, and then dive into some other network systems/subnetworks and play around with their IOU balances until your iou balance is depleted and you are made to settle up. losing it all again or staying locked until you have used it all

10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Leak of Chivo Bitcoin ATMs code in Elsavador on: April 24, 2024, 08:00:53 PM
Some news outlets indicated that about 60% of Chivo wallet users in El Salvador stopped using the wallet after the $30 incentive offered by the government. This means that many of these people were only interested in the money and not fascinated by using Bitcoin. Some persons might claim that this hack has some political undertone but we all know that hackers can attack individuals, organizations, and governments for different reasons. Some hacked do it for fun, money, and other reasons.

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This time I bring you the code that is inside the Bitcoin Chivo Wallet ATMs in El Salvador, remember that it is a government wallet, and as you know, we do not sell, we publish everything for free for you
https://cointelegraph.com/news/el-salvador-hacks-leak-state-bitcoin-wallet

From the comments of the hackers (CiberInteligenciaSV), I would have to join the bandwagon of people who believe that it is an attack on the government of Nayid Bukele. These hackers specifically mentioned the government and didn't want any ransom.

the $30 incentive thing bottlenecked and broke due to el salv being conned by a LN 'adviser' telling them to use LN instead of bitcoin as a backbone of chivo in 2021
LN had bottlenecks and caused alot of users to be unable to claim their $30 due to liquidity issues of LN. within 3 months el salv closed it and replaced the backbone with a CEX(alphapoint) as the accounting and withdrawal system(custodian) of chivo value/transfers. majority of people just gave up after the first phase and didnt use chivo again. even under alphapoint CEX custodian services.

not all el salv citizens even used chivo in initial LN phase and not everyone signed up to alphapoint in second phase. so the "over 5 million" is an exaggeration. the database the script kiddies ARE SELLING is a con in-of-itself.. (scammers selling to scammers)

as for the 'hackergroup'(script kiddies) giving ATM files for free.. thats because its public info, anyone can find the ATM masterdocs, the ATM manufacturer is not even el salvadorian.. the manufacturer sells ATM's and maintenance guides/access to files to franchises like its candy

you dont need to hack a government to get the files. and there was no government hack to get them..
these files are just a phase two promotion by skill-less script kiddies, hoping of proving they are hackers.. but they failed

there initial phase of the database of citizens is their hope of a money maker. hoping scammers would buy the database.. which the script kiddies didnt get much custom so doubled down pretending to be hackers of the ATM files as hope of proof of being legit hackers.. and as i said failed to prove anything

11  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think Bitcoin is fungible? on: April 24, 2024, 07:31:11 PM
let wait a few years for black hat to have a real revelation
money is not fungible
money does not have to be fungible
blackhat just thinks a narrow path that fits whatever he is promoting
2 people working the same job same hours same location.. one only needs to work 40 minutes for $10, the other works an hour for $10
walking between 2 shops on same major road. $2 can buy a whole loaf of bread, however a mile away that same $2 wont be enough to buy a whole loaf of same brand bread, same day within 20 minutes..
money does not mean the same value to different people
heck even someone receiving $100 from a relative on their birthday is treated differently by the tax man than someone receiving $100 from a days income from work. or $100 in investment gains from a investment sell
1btc to someone in a icelandic/slavic region is worth $25k of mining cost
1btc to someone in the pacific island regions is worth $110k of mining cost
1btc to the market traders is worth $67k
someone would prefer to mine a fresh mined coin for a premium than receive mixed coin even at discount

You are not more informed than blackhat on this matter sadly. Do you know what is more dangerous than being uninformed? Being half-informed.

Money is fungible. It is because money is a commodity. Every commodity can become money. Rice, tobacco, coffee, water, gold, copper... Some are obviously more practical than the others. Gold coins are definitely more practical than water for example. Commodities are fungible.

FIAT is not money. It is a currency. (It used to be money when it was backed by gold, a commodity. Now it is backed by nothing.) That's the difference between a gold coin and a dollar bill. One of them is money, the other one is currency. Bitcoin? Bitcoin is close to be money because it is "fungible-ish". It is not fungible. "Fungible-ish", means its position can change from situation to situation. In the USA, it is not really fungible. In Russia? It is fungible probably since no Russian business will care.

If you can sell you hacked coin to some careless or uninformed people, it is fungible for you because people like blackhat will take these coins without thinking about the consequences of their actions.  How many of those people are there? Definitely not as many as blackhat thinks. Maybe he doesn't live in EU or USA where people get punished for that kind of stuff.

blackhat pretends to not care about taint... but he does care.. thats why he thinks mixers are needed

also you have things the wrong way
fiat is money (a common medium of exchange)
anything can be currency(even sexual favours from your wife in exchange for getting her a gucci purse)
currency is a broad term which has sub categories: money(legal tender(fiat)), asset, commodity
money WAS valued, pegged to a commodity when backed by gold. because gold is a commodity
but money does not need to be a commodity to be money.
the features of commodity of money were replaced by laws of value (tax, min wage, accountancy, fines, debts)
yep fiat is backed by something even now.. government laws which make it circulate commonly as a medium of exchange

also if you want to be informed learn the word fungible
commodity has closer features of fungible. such as all wheat on the commodity market is treated as the same quality/product even if grown slightly differently on different farms
however we know not all wheat is the same.. in reality.. outside the commodity stock market
some wheat can have disease, have less/more wheat germ, be GMO, organic, etc

thats why fungibility IN REALITY is not a yes or no. its a scale.. and yes majority can be treated similarly, but that does not mean all are equal. its a scale not a binary option

however money is not binary option fungible, people treat and value money differently based on geo politics, local values and labour differences, taxes, etc

take some real world experiments
if you had a $100 bank note. and some stranger came upto you and said "nice bank note, can i have it.. i have here a $100 you can have"
the initial REALISTIC response is not to just say yes. but instead in the real world you would question what that strangers motives are and you would presume his bank note is dodgy as he seems a little too eager to get your note but relinquish his own so easily

so people dont treat things equally, they do question the other persons holding

if btc was truly fungible (in your definition) there would be no reason for mixers
now ask yourself why do you and blackhat need mixers.. i dont need the answer but ask yourself and be honest to yourself

we all know the answer. but it time you start telling the truth to yourself

the only reason blackhat is obsessed with promoting btc is fungible is to con innocent people into giving up their clean coin so he can off load his dirty coin..
if he really thought it was fungible he would not want/need/promote/be part of mixing. he would just hoard his coin as is and not look to recruit victims to offload his dirty coin to
12  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think Bitcoin is fungible? on: April 24, 2024, 12:24:48 PM
let wait a few years for black hat to have a real revelation

money is not fungible
money does not have to be fungible

blackhat just thinks a narrow path that fits whatever he is promoting

2 people working the same job same hours same location.. one only needs to work 40 minutes for $10, the other works an hour for $10

walking between 2 shops on same major road. $2 can buy a whole loaf of bread, however a mile away that same $2 wont be enough to buy a whole loaf of same brand bread, same day within 20 minutes..

money does not mean the same value to different people

heck even someone receiving $100 from a relative on their birthday is treated differently by the tax man than someone receiving $100 from a days income from work. or $100 in investment gains from a investment sell

1btc to someone in a icelandic/slavic region is worth $25k of mining cost
1btc to someone in the pacific island regions is worth $110k of mining cost
1btc to the market traders is worth $67k

someone would prefer to mine a fresh mined coin for a premium than receive mixed coin even at discount
13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Runes will be worthless. Don't waste your precious BTC on huge fees. on: April 24, 2024, 06:45:53 AM
Here you could be right. At least there are already techniques being developed to validate the chain without having to store everything, and thus being able to provide a complete "full node" in a pruned state, deleting most of the data items/tokens on the chain. "Token lovers" would then have to reccur on archival nodes, which for several reasons (e.g. legal risk) will probably not be free to use. This should make the whole token business unviable in the long term, at least on Bitcoin.

running a fool node is not a full node(they sound the same, but not the same)
once you start pruning/stripping data and not validating data you are not a full node, you are not part of the same security level of full node network of peers that offer true IBD to new full nodes nor are you able to then relay certain unconfirmed transactions as you are not validating full length data of transactions such as signing proofs after certain opcodes

but yes gmaxwell sees a future where actual full nodes are not a free offering/open source, but instead a SaaS people have to subscribe to
.. and their lays the rub.. core dev wanting to privatise full nodes and pretend the free(fool) version is "full" when its not
14  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Leak of Chivo Bitcoin ATMs code in Elsavador on: April 24, 2024, 05:55:04 AM
lets clarify something about the ATM's

the bitcoin ATM are NOT el salv state owned ATM's related to chivo
instead its a bitcoin ATM company that has been operating pre 2020(2018+) that came into el salvador 2021+ and got permission to put ATM's in locations of el salvador from 2021+

anyone can get an ATM and then get access to the source files on the internal device..
having the ATM files proves nothing. and doesnt even prove a hack

the ATM's are a private franchise set up by some crypto guy who wanted to profit out of setting up ATM's in many locations.... including elsalvador,

however they are ATM's anyone can buy and then get the source data from one of those devices without setting foot in el salvador nor needing to remote hack anything in el salvador
to me i feel its more of a boring story exaggerated to sound dramatic by not explaining how easy anyone can get to the files. just by buying one ATM from source company

the ATM company/franchise are not some government department/central bank of el salv that created the ATM's and its not related to chivo incidents

..
chivo is a separate software/system/network which the hacker group said they also hacked as a separate event previously.. however i feel this too is an exaggeration. they say they have a database of over 5 million users personal information..
... however 5 million people did not sign up to chivo..
the error in the 'hackers' promoted database promotion is that they cant possibly have a database of over 5million el salvadorians due to the fact that not everyone signed up to chivo to achieve such a 5 million total (even common sense: children and elderly)

...

this seems more like script kiddie wannabe hackers just pretended to hack a database(scam) and want to sell the database knowing those who buy it(other scammers) wont then do anything legally as recourse of being scammed, as admitting they have a fraudulent database puts themselves in a illegal position themselves (scammers scamming scammers)

and as said the latter downloaded files of a ATM are public domain anyway of general ATM that can be purchased.. and is unrelated to chivo
so this to me, is the script kiddie wannabe hacker getting source ATM files from a atm manufacturer. and then trying to make a claim they are genuine hackers to hope it proves their in-genuine userdatabase is genuine..

if anything i feel that the script kiddies simply bought a few ATM's and set them up and just gathered some info from users that used THEIR ATM and then added random details they found from a phone book/open datasource of public info of citizens to fill a list to make it seem like a legit database(these tricks are done alot)
..
meanwhile all this nonsense is then causing people in el salvador to be now afraid of their data(not breached) and now giving more bad rep/distrust to bitcoin and distrust of el salv gov. even though i feel this scriptkiddy didnt breach anything bitcoin sensitive/private nor gov sensitive/private
15  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Runes push fees as high as 900/vbyte or $196 US on: April 23, 2024, 09:46:51 PM
Bitcoin was intended to solve one of the biggest problems we face as a race and if we don't make sure it survives as "Purely peer-to-peer electronic cash" everyone loses!  The high fees and slow network are a huge problem!    

just remember its not a physics/technical limit. its a dev politics limit. which can be fixed by code once we sort out whos governing the code

one of bitcoins native solutions that made it great was a solution to the byzantine generals problem of governing code.
it used to be able to have multiple "reference client" brands(generals(plural)) on the same network all proposing paths forward where the majority would agree on a path which all generals would agree on to move forward

but got turned into a singular major-general(monarchy/federation) of one brand/controller..
its like united states removing the state senators/govorners/congress and only relying now on executive orders of federal government..

we need to get back to a system without a federal system [singular ruling class with one idealism that counters its peoples needs]
and open it up again to democracy of multiple states(representatives/repositories) that unite/vote on a common good of the people
16  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Runes will be worthless. Don't waste your precious BTC on huge fees. on: April 23, 2024, 09:29:46 PM
About the "miner conspiracy": I noticed that Coindesk is generally quite positive about Ordinals, BRC-20, Runes and related stuff (examples are: this article, this or this video). Well, Coindesk is owned by the Digital Currency Group (Barry Silbert's company),

DCG sold coindesk to NYSE ex president tom farley
17  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think Bitcoin is fungible? on: April 23, 2024, 09:14:09 PM
BTW, do you know your coins' history? You do know that ISIS coins might be sitting on your wallet right now, right?

Might be. I am getting my coins from an exchange and sig camp payments. I don't have any other coin income. So If my sig camp payments are tainted, It might cause me problems. I heard binance locking people's accounts randomly without a reason and these people did their KYC already. That might be the reason why they do that.

part of a AML investigation is for CEX to analyse coins.. let the transaction process but report it authorities if it meets a suspicion threshold
if they get an alert back in the form of court order then the CEX would freeze an account, but the CEX cannot explain why. its then upto the authorities to contact the user and explain when the authorities are ready with their investigation..
yep under court order and AML policy CEX cant explain or inform a user is under investigation
yep under AML policy CEX cant freeze/seize funds without a court order

CEX's that dont quite follow all of regulations adopt their own business practices of putting terms&conditions into their user agreements that pretty much give them permission to halt account activity.. so its worth reading regulations and specific T&C's of CEX you use, to see if your coins will be held up by regulation after a certain point. or earlier by businesses own T&C's
most ethical CEX wont add on T&C's that hold onto funds without a court order. most they will do is stop facilitating service and just ask you to withdraw funds without a regulator court order

but for all other people interested
if you do a deal with a mining pool whereby you will pushtx your coin privately to them as a transaction spending your coin as fee's (to them). (destroying coinage/taint) that then becomes fresh new coin as a coin reward(the fee excess)
this new coin has no taint(it appears on blockchain as new mined coin reward). which a pool can then give to a user as new coin, clean coin..
enjoy a proper way to 'clean coin', just have to do a deal with a mining pool to get it
How do you know that your transaction will end up in that specific pool and not somewhere else (maybe even a random solo miner)?

answered and asked
I've never done it myself, so I don't know how exactly they do it.

Obviously there should be a way to push it to a specific mempool, otherwise the risk of randomness is not worth it...

And of course you'd need some "networking" in regards to pool owners to cut such a deal.

'pushtx' is a known term to push a tx directly to mining pool
some mining pools have their own communication page to cut and paste your rawtx(hex) to them directly. where they have deals inplace for that access page
18  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think Bitcoin is fungible? on: April 23, 2024, 08:52:55 PM
but for all other people interested
if you do a deal with a mining pool whereby you will pushtx your coin privately to them as a transaction spending your coin as fee's (to them). (destroying coinage/taint) that then becomes fresh new coin as a coin reward(the fee excess)
this new coin has no taint(it appears on blockchain as new mined coin reward). which a pool can then give to a user as new coin, clean coin..
enjoy a proper way to 'clean coin', just have to do a deal with a mining pool to get it
How do you know that your transaction will end up in that specific pool and not somewhere else (maybe even a random solo miner)?

answered and asked

you do a deal with a pool to specifically handle your transactions and not broadcast it to the relay network but purposefully send it to a specific pool

now you know this, care to wonder why the junk scammers are soo happily spending their scam wins as fee's...
1+1=2

this cleaning trick has been used for a while now.. and the cat is out of the bag.. its why government are now trying to identify miners at the electric supply(mining electric tax) and also at the income/gains side (reward splits/payout) to see whom gets more than deserved to find whom are doing these deals
19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think Bitcoin is fungible? on: April 23, 2024, 05:56:13 PM
The Bitcoin network does not filter transactions and UTXOs, everything can go through as long it is properly validated, meaning it is fungible. BUT...

the bitcoin network does filter transactions and UTXO's thats its job
you can only spend a utxo whos endpoint is unspent and has a valid path back to its original blockreward creation
and its current endpoint is known and associated with a publickey which the network knows which publickey can move which funds
you cant randomly pick any utxo and use it.. you have to use one thats been assigned to you and you have the keypair of to move that
..that is the security of the network. preventing random users treating all coin the same and swappable.. you only get control of coin you control and the network doesnt let people pick random utxo/coins

there is only one way to stop one taint path and create a new utxo with no taint path, and blackhat does not like people talking about it as it ruins his business plan of mixing

but for all other people interested
if you do a deal with a mining pool whereby you will pushtx your coin privately to them as a transaction spending your coin as fee's (to them). (destroying coinage/taint) that then becomes fresh new coin as a coin reward(the fee excess)
this new coin has no taint(it appears on blockchain as new mined coin reward). which a pool can then give to a user as new coin, clean coin..
enjoy a proper way to 'clean coin', just have to do a deal with a mining pool to get it
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much did it cost to mine 1 Bitcoin back in 2009? on: April 23, 2024, 03:28:04 PM
if electric was $0.10/kw hour
and a desktop was 300watt/hour

1kwh=3hours 20 minutes(20 blocks*) which is
10cent for 20 blocks which is 1000btc

1cent 100btc
$0.001  10btc
$0.0001  1btc

*block per 10min avg is 20 blocks in 3 hours 20mins



That doesn't make sense. If the production cost of 1 bitcoin was only $0.0001 in 2009 and there were 2,625,000 coins mined in 12 months, then the electricity cost was just as little as $262.50 for an entire year?

remember before 2010 there was no market price and wasnt popular outside of a couple dozen devs/nerds/geeks
first half of 2009 didnt even have many of them
you can look at the 'extranonce' of patoshi to see how many unique sequences(miners) there were, it wasnt many
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